Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Christian Mondrup]

Dieter wrote:

Just to report a little progress in interpreting the MusicXML stuff.
The attached notes were scanner output, so the reproduction cannot be
perfect, but apart from the blind meter change due to the  pickup
everything was generated.



A few problems

Bar 8, lower voice: the first quarter-note should have stem down

Bar 11, upper voice: the 2 quarter-notes should have stem up

Bar 11, lower voice: the first quarter-note should be right offset from 
the upper voice half-note


Bar 13: lower voice: the second quarter-note should have stem down

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[Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

Just to report a little progress in interpreting the MusicXML stuff.
The attached notes were scanner output, so the reproduction cannot be 
perfect, but apart from the blind meter change due to the  pickup 
everything was generated.



Regards, Dieter






Vomhimmelhoch.ps
Description: PostScript document
---
\input musixtex
\input pmx
%\staffbotmarg=13cm

---
% In the Mood
% PREAMBLE
% nstaves ninstr mtrnuml mtrdenl mtrnump mtrdenp
1
1
4
4
0
6
% npickup nkeys
 22
% npages nsystems musicsize fracindent
1
4
   16
 0.05

t
.\
Ti

% Body
% Header
Tc
Martin Luther/J.S. Bach
Tt
Vom Himmel hoch
%h
%Vom Himmel hoch
AbepI1.0
It126ipi
% Av
% space before first note of bar
% big accidentals
% equalizes interstaff spacing
% type K slurs
%\\setclef2(\treble)\settrebleclefsymbol(2)\treblelowoct\
% Bar 1
a24l  | //
d25u  | /
m4400
% Bar 2
 (1l a44l g44sl  )1 f24l  | //
c25u b24u  | /
% Bar 3
e24l f44l e44l  | //
c25u a24u  | /
% Bar 4
d24l e24l  | //
b24u c25u  | /
% Bar 5
f24l (1l  f44l g44l  )1  | //
d25u  of  d25u  | /
% Bar 6
a44l g44l f24l  | //
d25u a24u  | /
% Bar 7
e24l d24l  | //
a24u  (1u f44u g44u  )1  | /
% Bar 8
d24l e24l  | //
a24u g24u  | /
% Bar 9
d24l  (1l d44u e44l  )1  | //
f24u  of f24u  | /
% Bar10
f24l e24l  | //
b24u b24u  | /
% Bar11
 (2l e44l g44sl  )2 a24l  | //
 (1u a44u b44u  )1 c25u  | /
% Bar12
a24l b24ur  | //
d45l c45l  (1l a44l g44sl  )1  | /
% Bar13
e24l  of  (1l f44l e44l  )1  | //
a24u d25u  | /
% Bar14
e44l f44u f44l e44l  | //
c25u b24u  | /
% Bar15
c44l d44l b43l c44l  | //
a24u  (1u b44u a44u  )1  | /
% Bar16
d2d4l c44l  | //
 (1u g44u f44u  )1 e24u  | /
m2400
% Bar17
a23l  | //
d24u  of  | /
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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

Hi Christian,

thanks for the print. The additional 1/8 tail in measure 11 is due to my 
manual corrections performed in the SharpEye scanner software.


Regards,
Dieter

Am 11.11.2014 10:59, schrieb Christian Mondrup:

Dieter wrote:

Hi Christian,

thanks for your investigation. In fact at this stage of work I was
interested only in the notes, because this is the bulk work.

Right now I am working on a solution vor two voices in one staff.

The funny words in the lyrics are inaccuracies of the scanning process.
Certainly the lyrics part has not got such a high priority.

Could you please send me a printout of what Musescore made out of the 
XML?


Bitte siehe Anhang. Erstellt aus dem MuseScore "save as" Menü.

Seit einigen Jahren benutze ich selten musixtex, und dann nur bei 
Korrekturen und Erneuerungen schon vorhandener Notensätze. Neue 
Editionen stelle ich durch MUP, auch open source, textbasiertes 
software, her. Siehe http://www.arkkra.com/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen


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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Christian Mondrup]

Christian Mondrup wrote:

Dieter wrote:

Hi Christian,

thanks for your investigation. In fact at this stage of work I was
interested only in the notes, because this is the bulk work.

Right now I am working on a solution vor two voices in one staff.

The funny words in the lyrics are inaccuracies of the scanning process.
Certainly the lyrics part has not got such a high priority.

Could you please send me a printout of what Musescore made out of the
XML?


Bitte siehe Anhang. Erstellt aus dem MuseScore "save as" Menü.

Seit einigen Jahren benutze ich selten musixtex, und dann nur bei
Korrekturen und Erneuerungen schon vorhandener Notensätze. Neue
Editionen stelle ich durch MUP, auch open source, textbasiertes
software, her. Siehe http://www.arkkra.com/

Mit freundlichen Grüßen


Sorry for the private message !




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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Christian Mondrup]

Dieter wrote:

Hi Christian,

thanks for your investigation. In fact at this stage of work I was
interested only in the notes, because this is the bulk work.

Right now I am working on a solution vor two voices in one staff.

The funny words in the lyrics are inaccuracies of the scanning process.
Certainly the lyrics part has not got such a high priority.

Could you please send me a printout of what Musescore made out of the XML?


Bitte siehe Anhang. Erstellt aus dem MuseScore "save as" Menü.

Seit einigen Jahren benutze ich selten musixtex, und dann nur bei 
Korrekturen und Erneuerungen schon vorhandener Notensätze. Neue 
Editionen stelle ich durch MUP, auch open source, textbasiertes 
software, her. Siehe http://www.arkkra.com/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Christian Mondrup]

Dieter wrote:

Hi Christian,

thanks for your investigation. In fact at this stage of work I was
interested only in the notes, because this is the bulk work.

Right now I am working on a solution vor two voices in one staff.

The funny words in the lyrics are inaccuracies of the scanning process.
Certainly the lyrics part has not got such a high priority.

Could you please send me a printout of what Musescore made out of the XML?


Tex-Music subscribers: MuseScore is GPL open source software. Binaries 
for unixen, linuxen, Mac OSX and Windows can be downloaded from 
http://musescore.org/


I'll answer Dieter privately.

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

Hi Christian,

thanks for your investigation. In fact at this stage of work I was 
interested only in the notes, because this is the bulk work.


Right now I am working on a solution vor two voices in one staff.

The funny words in the lyrics are inaccuracies of the scanning process. 
Certainly the lyrics part has not got such a high priority.


Could you please send me a printout of what Musescore made out of the XML?

Regards,
Dieter

Am 10.11.2014 22:28, schrieb Christian Mondrup:

Don Simons wrote:
After seeing Christian's post, I compiled Dieter's pmx and quickly 
compared
it to his xml (as viewed with Finale NotePad). Aside from the 8 on 
the clef
of the Tenor part, and the extra space at the start of each bar 
(which was

clearly intentional) I didn't notice any other notable differences. So
Christian, I'm very curious what you are referring to as "indications of
problems".


After yet another look at the outputs from the xml and pmx files I 
actually notice only a minor note flaw in bar 11. And that flaw is in 
the xml file only: the second soprano note has an extra 1/8 flag - 
ignored in the pmx output.


There are indeed problems in the xml lyrics: lots of missing hyphens 
and obviously wrong words like 'io-fty', bar 11 soprano. These 
problems are not (yet) reflected in the pmx output rendering no lyrics 
at all. Are the wrong words just typos?





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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dirk Laurie]

2014-11-10 23:28 GMT+02:00 Christian Mondrup :

> There are indeed problems in the xml lyrics: lots of missing hyphens and
> obviously wrong words like 'io-fty', bar 11 soprano. These problems are not
> (yet) reflected in the pmx output rendering no lyrics at all. Are the wrong
> words just typos?

You can't expect better.

Scanning followed by OCR is seldom perfect even on pure text documents,
printed in just one font, with a known alphabet and a dictionary, except
maybe when it's a clean original with pt>=10 and dpi>=600.

Music, by comparison, is much easier. Only two shapes of notehead.
Once you know where the five parallel lines are, the only decision is
whether a note is on a line or between two lines. Etc. As it should be,
otherwise sight-reading would be impossible.
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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Christian Mondrup]

Don Simons wrote:

After seeing Christian's post, I compiled Dieter's pmx and quickly compared
it to his xml (as viewed with Finale NotePad). Aside from the 8 on the clef
of the Tenor part, and the extra space at the start of each bar (which was
clearly intentional) I didn't notice any other notable differences. So
Christian, I'm very curious what you are referring to as "indications of
problems".


After yet another look at the outputs from the xml and pmx files I 
actually notice only a minor note flaw in bar 11. And that flaw is in 
the xml file only: the second soprano note has an extra 1/8 flag - 
ignored in the pmx output.


There are indeed problems in the xml lyrics: lots of missing hyphens and 
obviously wrong words like 'io-fty', bar 11 soprano. These problems are 
not (yet) reflected in the pmx output rendering no lyrics at all. Are 
the wrong words just typos?


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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

In the sample file I sent around I concentrated on generating the Notes 
Part. The header information was somewhat arbitrary abd was not generated.


Regards, Dieter

Am 10.11.2014 06:15, schrieb Don Simons:

After seeing Christian's post, I compiled Dieter's pmx and quickly compared
it to his xml (as viewed with Finale NotePad). Aside from the 8 on the clef
of the Tenor part, and the extra space at the start of each bar (which was
clearly intentional) I didn't notice any other notable differences. So
Christian, I'm very curious what you are referring to as "indications of
problems".

--Don Simons


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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Christian
Mondrup
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:14 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

Dieter wrote:

Many thanks to Don, Bob and Jean-Pierre. Now we have plenty of XML
test material.

I opened the xml file attached to your initial posting with musescore for
comparison with the output from your .pmx file and got indications of some
problems with your software in its state at that time. That method might

turn

out a useful additional testing method.

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Don Simons]

After seeing Christian's post, I compiled Dieter's pmx and quickly compared
it to his xml (as viewed with Finale NotePad). Aside from the 8 on the clef
of the Tenor part, and the extra space at the start of each bar (which was
clearly intentional) I didn't notice any other notable differences. So
Christian, I'm very curious what you are referring to as "indications of
problems".

--Don Simons

> -Original Message-
> From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Christian
> Mondrup
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:14 PM
> To: Werner Icking Music Archive
> Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX
> 
> Dieter wrote:
> > Many thanks to Don, Bob and Jean-Pierre. Now we have plenty of XML
> > test material.
> 
> I opened the xml file attached to your initial posting with musescore for
> comparison with the output from your .pmx file and got indications of some
> problems with your software in its state at that time. That method might
turn
> out a useful additional testing method.
> 
> Greetings
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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Christian Mondrup]

Dieter wrote:

Many thanks to Don, Bob and Jean-Pierre. Now we have plenty of XML
test material.


I opened the xml file attached to your initial posting with musescore 
for comparison with the output from your .pmx file and got indications 
of some problems with your software in its state at that time. That 
method might turn out a useful additional testing method.


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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

Many thanks to Don, Bob and Jean-Pierre.
Now we have plenty of XML  test material.

Regards, Dieter

Am 09.11.2014 13:34, schrieb Jean-Pierre Coulon:

 On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, Bob Tennent wrote:

http://imslp.org/index.php?limit=50&ilsearch=xml&user=&title=Special%3AListFiles 



Enter xml as the media name.


Or type engraving files musicXML in the search field and you will see 
the composers and titles faster. You can add criteria like 'baroque' 
or an intrument etc.


Bye

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Jean-Pierre Coulon]

On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, Bob Tennent wrote:


http://imslp.org/index.php?limit=50&ilsearch=xml&user=&title=Special%3AListFiles

Enter xml as the media name.


Or type engraving files musicXML in the search field and you will see the 
composers and titles faster. You can add criteria like 'baroque' or an 
intrument etc.


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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Bob Tennent]

 >|Curious sidelight: When googling for free
 >|musicxml downloads, I found the page
 >|http://www.musicxml.com/music-in-musicxml/ . It lists
 >|not only musescore.com but also IMSLP (!) and WIMA (!!)
 >|as sources of free musicxml files. Short of random
 >|searching, I can't imagine how to find any such files on
 >|either of those sites.

WIMA music is now all at IMSLP. Here's how to find xml
files:

http://imslp.org/index.php?limit=50&ilsearch=xml&user=&title=Special%3AListFiles

Enter xml as the media name.

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Don Simons]

Dieter, good luck with your development work, and I’ll be watching for an
alpha-test version.

 

Meanwhile I have found a good, free way to view musicxml files in Windows:
Finale Notepad 2012. They do ask for some personal info before letting you
download it, but once installed, I got it to provide screen images of a
musicxml file, and I could print it out, either to  a hard copy or a pdf
using acrobat.

 

As for sample files, I found some on http://musescore.com/sheetmusic. I put
“*.xml” in the search line but I’m not sure I even had to do that…maybe
everything there is available as a *mxl file. 

 

Curious sidelight: When googling for free musicxml downloads, I found the
page http://www.musicxml.com/music-in-musicxml/ . It lists not only
musescore.com but also IMSLP (!) and WIMA (!!) as sources of free musicxml
files. Short of random searching, I can’t imagine how to find any such files
on either of those sites.

 

--Don Simons

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 5:44 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

 

Don--

thank you for your encouragement. So far I scratched only the surface of
MusicXML, i.e. the basic notes properties. Now I am trying to decode a piano
setting with two voices in each stave.
When that works, then I have to think about how to distribute it. Maybe I am
a bit in a Cul de Sac with my 20 year old Oberon implementation. But I could
not do the development in any other language. The language is simple, but
most powerful and the environment is extremely responsive.
We have several options.  I am not totally convinced, that I will get to a
point where I can distribute an executable. Therefore I will have to
distribute source code. I will be checking the follower systems at Zürich.
Another option would be to rewrite my logic in LUA. But there I do not have
any practice.

Meanwhile it would be useful (as you say) to have other sources of MusicXML
than Scanner + SharpEye. So anybody who can provide MusicXML-sources will be
most welcome.

--Dieter

Am 07.11.2014 00:32, schrieb Don Simons:

Dieter—

 

Thanks for adding to PMX’s utility!

 

I, and I’m sure others, would gladly try out your MusicXML => PMX translator
if you would make it available. I’m sure we can find other ways to get some
MusixXML files besides scanning with the somewhat costly software you
mentioned.  If you choose to upload, the method is up to you…I’m sure Bob
Tennent would be willing to set up a link from the icking archive, or as
suggested earlier you could perhaps use github (although I personally detest
that site due to its overly complicated user interface).

 

--Don Simons

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 5:39 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

 

Dear PMX users,

I want to rapidly communicate on my recent experiences with Scanner input
into PMX.

In my choir we often have the task of modifying existing notes either in
parts of the  music or the text. 
And I do not want any handwritten corrections, but something which looks
nice. This, of course, I produce with PMX. 

Manually turning existing note sheets into PMX code is straightforward and
quite fast. But with a Scanner it would be much faster.
So I made some experimentation with the Scanner Software Smart Eye from
VISIV /UK.  Smart Eye generates after scanning (among other options)  output
in terms of MusicXML,
which has been developed by Recordare ( <http://www.musicxml.com>
www.musicxml.com).

In the last two weeks I have been working on a prototype which reads in
MusicXML and spits out the notes part for PMX. I include as example a
christmas carol
for SATB. After scanning there remained some inaccuracies, which could
easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye. 

The final MusicXML code has not been touched, and everything after  and
including the line "% Bar 1" has been generated automatically.

Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement
MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, that I
employed a somewhat exotic language:  OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of the ETHZ
Zürich.

You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.

Regards,
Dieter






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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

Don--

thank you for your encouragement. So far I scratched only the surface of 
MusicXML, i.e. the basic notes properties. Now I am trying to decode a 
piano setting with two voices in each stave.
When that works, then I have to think about how to distribute it. Maybe 
I am a bit in a Cul de Sac with my 20 year old Oberon implementation. 
But I could not do the development in any other language. The language 
is simple, but most powerful and the environment is extremely responsive.
We have several options.  I am not totally convinced, that I will get to 
a point where I can distribute an executable. Therefore I will have to 
distribute source code. I will be checking the follower systems at 
Zürich.  Another option would be to rewrite my logic in LUA. But there I 
do not have any practice.


Meanwhile it would be useful (as you say) to have other sources of 
MusicXML than Scanner + SharpEye. So anybody who can provide 
MusicXML-sources will be most welcome.


--Dieter

Am 07.11.2014 00:32, schrieb Don Simons:


Dieter---

Thanks for adding to PMX's utility!

I, and I'm sure others, would gladly try out your MusicXML => PMX 
translator if you would make it available. I'm sure we can find other 
ways to get some MusixXML files besides scanning with the somewhat 
costly software you mentioned.  If you choose to upload, the method is 
up to you...I'm sure Bob Tennent would be willing to set up a link 
from the icking archive, or as suggested earlier you could perhaps use 
github (although I personally detest that site due to its overly 
complicated user interface).


--Don Simons

*From:*TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] *On Behalf Of *Dieter
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 5:39 AM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive
*Subject:* [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

Dear PMX users,

I want to rapidly communicate on my recent experiences with Scanner 
input into PMX.


In my choir we often have the task of modifying existing notes either 
in parts of the  music or the text.
And I do not want any handwritten corrections, but something which 
looks nice. This, of course, I produce with PMX.


Manually turning existing note sheets into PMX code is straightforward 
and quite fast. But with a Scanner it would be much faster.
So I made some experimentation with the Scanner Software *Smart Eye* 
from VISIV /UK.  Smart Eye generates after scanning (among other 
options)  output in terms of MusicXML,
which has been developed by Recordare (www.*musicxml*.com 
<http://www.musicxml.com>)./


/In the last two weeks I have been working on a prototype which reads 
in MusicXML and spits out the notes partfor PMX.I include as example a 
christmas carol
for SATB. After scanning there remained some inaccuracies, which could 
easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye.


The final MusicXML code has not been touched, and everything after  
and including the line "% Bar 1" has been generated automatically.


Of course, my little prototype does not (yet) completely implement 
MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, 
that I employed a somewhat exotic language:  OBERON from Niklaus Wirth 
of the ETHZ Zürich.


You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.

Regards,
Dieter
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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Bob Tennent]

 >|If you choose to upload, the method is up to you. I'm sure Bob
 >|Tennent would be willing to set up a link from the icking archive.

Of course. Is a Windows binary available? Are there sources
that could be built on other platforms? A lua script would
be most convenient.

Bob T.

 >|I want to rapidly communicate on my recent experiences with Scanner input
 >|into PMX.
 >|
 >|In my choir we often have the task of modifying existing notes either in
 >|parts of the  music or the text.
 >|And I do not want any handwritten corrections, but something which looks
 >|nice. This, of course, I produce with PMX.
 >|
 >|Manually turning existing note sheets into PMX code is straightforward and
 >|quite fast. But with a Scanner it would be much faster.
 >|So I made some experimentation with the Scanner Software Smart Eye from
 >|VISIV /UK.  Smart Eye generates after scanning (among other options)
 >|output
 >|in terms of MusicXML,
 >|which has been developed by Recordare ( 
 >|www.musicxml.com).
 >|
 >|In the last two weeks I have been working on a prototype which reads in
 >|MusicXML and spits out the notes part for PMX. I include as example a
 >|christmas carol
 >|for SATB. After scanning there remained some inaccuracies, which could
 >|easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye.
 >|
 >|The final MusicXML code has not been touched, and everything after  and
 >|including the line "% Bar 1" has been generated automatically.
 >|
 >|Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement
 >|MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be,
 >|that I
 >|employed a somewhat exotic language:  OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of
 >|the ETHZ
 >|Zürich.
 >|
 >|You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.
 >|
 >|Regards,
 >|Dieter
 >|
 >|
 >|Dr. Dieter Glötzel
 >|Im Rosengarten 27
 >|64367 Mühltal
 >|Tel.: 06151 / 360 82 72

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Don Simons]

Dieter—

 

Thanks for adding to PMX’s utility!

 

I, and I’m sure others, would gladly try out your MusicXML => PMX translator
if you would make it available. I’m sure we can find other ways to get some
MusixXML files besides scanning with the somewhat costly software you
mentioned.  If you choose to upload, the method is up to you…I’m sure Bob
Tennent would be willing to set up a link from the icking archive, or as
suggested earlier you could perhaps use github (although I personally detest
that site due to its overly complicated user interface).

 

--Don Simons

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 5:39 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

 

Dear PMX users,

I want to rapidly communicate on my recent experiences with Scanner input
into PMX.

In my choir we often have the task of modifying existing notes either in
parts of the  music or the text. 
And I do not want any handwritten corrections, but something which looks
nice. This, of course, I produce with PMX. 

Manually turning existing note sheets into PMX code is straightforward and
quite fast. But with a Scanner it would be much faster.
So I made some experimentation with the Scanner Software Smart Eye from
VISIV /UK.  Smart Eye generates after scanning (among other options)  output
in terms of MusicXML,
which has been developed by Recordare ( <http://www.musicxml.com>
www.musicxml.com).

In the last two weeks I have been working on a prototype which reads in
MusicXML and spits out the notes part for PMX. I include as example a
christmas carol
for SATB. After scanning there remained some inaccuracies, which could
easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye. 

The final MusicXML code has not been touched, and everything after  and
including the line "% Bar 1" has been generated automatically.

Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement
MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, that I
employed a somewhat exotic language:  OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of the ETHZ
Zürich.

You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.

Regards,
Dieter





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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dirk Laurie]

2014-11-05 15:39 GMT+02:00 Dieter :

> Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement MusicXML.

That is not necessary. All that is needed is that it should implement
those features of what the scanner software outputs that have
a counterpart in PMX.

> Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, that I
> employed a somewhat exotic language:

Thus continuing a time-honoured tradition :-)

> OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of the ETHZ Zürich.

I was willing to give it a try.

The publicly available software seems to be all but abandoned.
I.e. if you still have an old machine running Ubuntu Dapper
Duck, it will probably work out of the box, but on a 64-bit
Ubuntu 14.04 even rebuilding form source gets one into
segmentation faults.

So, all that I would be able to with your code would be
to translate it into Lua, which we TeX-ies all have. From
a first glance at Oberon, that should not be too hard for
someone with a substantial Pascal background.

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Luigi Cataldi]

> 
> In the last two weeksI have been working on a prototype which reads in 
> MusicXML and spits out the notes partfor PMX.I include as examplea 
> christmas carol
> for SATB. After scanning there remained some inaccuracies, which could 
> easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye.
> 
> The final MusicXML code has not been touched, and everything after  and 
> including the line "% Bar 1" has been generated automatically.
> 
> Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement 
> MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, 
> that I employed a somewhat exotic language: OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of 
> the ETHZ Zürich.
> 

Very interesting!
Some times ago, for linux users, there was Noteedit 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/noteedit.berlios/), that was able to input 
MusicXML file and export it in PMX. Unluckily now the software is abandoned. 
There is a frozen version, but impossible to install on the recent 
distributions. So a MusicXML to PMX conversion is an important piece of news.

-- 
Luigi Cataldi 

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX MusicXML sample file added

[Dieter]

I add the XML sample file for comparison.

Regards Dieter

Am 05.11.2014 14:53, schrieb Dirk Laurie:

2014-11-05 15:39 GMT+02:00 Dieter :


In the last two weeks I have been working on a prototype which reads in
MusicXML and spits out the notes part for PMX. I include as example a
christmas carol for SATB. After scanning there remained some
inaccuracies, which could easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye.

Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement
MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, that I
employed a somewhat exotic language:  OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of the ETHZ
Zürich.

You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.

This was envisaged by you in the thread "Panmus: a proposal? a dream?"
about 20 months ago. Congratulations on having made so much progress.
If you put your code on GitHub, others can also try it.

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Re: [Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dirk Laurie]

2014-11-05 15:39 GMT+02:00 Dieter :

> In the last two weeks I have been working on a prototype which reads in
> MusicXML and spits out the notes part for PMX. I include as example a
> christmas carol for SATB. After scanning there remained some
> inaccuracies, which could easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye.
>
> Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement
> MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, that I
> employed a somewhat exotic language:  OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of the ETHZ
> Zürich.
>
> You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.

This was envisaged by you in the thread "Panmus: a proposal? a dream?"
about 20 months ago. Congratulations on having made so much progress.
If you put your code on GitHub, others can also try it.

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[Tex-music] Scanner Input for PMX

[Dieter]

Dear PMX users,

I want to rapidly communicate on my recent experiences with Scanner 
input into PMX.


In my choir we often have the task of modifying existing notes either in 
parts of the  music or the text.
And I do not want any handwritten corrections, but something which looks 
nice. This, of course, I produce with PMX.


Manually turning existing note sheets into PMX code is straightforward 
and quite fast. But with a Scanner it would be much faster.
So I made some experimentation with the Scanner Software *Smart Eye* 
from VISIV /UK.  Smart Eye generates after scanning (among other 
options)  output in terms of MusicXML,

which has been developed by Recordare (www.*musicxml*.com).

In the last two weeksI have been working on a prototype which reads in 
MusicXML and spits out the notes partfor PMX.I include as examplea 
christmas carol
for SATB. After scanning there remained some inaccuracies, which could 
easily resoved with the notes editor of SharpEye.


The final MusicXML code has not been touched, and everything after  and 
including the line "% Bar 1" has been generated automatically.


Of course, my little prototype does not  (yet) completely implement 
MusicXML. Another drawback for wider use of my development might be, 
that I employed a somewhat exotic language: OBERON from Niklaus Wirth of 
the ETHZ Zürich.


You are most welcome to further discuss this topic.

Regards,
Dieter


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Tel.: 06151 / 360 82 72

% Nigh Bethlem Test
---
\input musixtex
\input pmx
---
% PREAMBLE
% nstaves ninstr mtrnuml mtrdenl mtrnump mtrdenp
  4  4  4   46  0
% npickup (1 = 1/4-Note) nkeys
  0  -1
% npages nsystems musicsize fracindent
  2  4 20 0.12
Bass
Tenor
Alt
Sopran
bttt
.\
% Body
% Header
Tc
Traditional
Tt
Nigh Bethlem
AbepI0.9a2
It120ipipipipi
%\\def\octnumber{8$^{va}$}\
% a space before first note of bar
% b big accidentals
% e equalizes interstaff spacing
% p type K slurs
\\setclef2{\treble}\settrebleclefsymbol{2}\treblelowoct\
\\sepbarrules\
% Bar 1
 r2 r4 a43l | / 
 r2 r4 a44u | / 
 r2 r4 a43u | / 
 r2 r4 a43u | / 
% Bar 2
 d43l f42u g42u a42u | / 
 f44u a44u b44l c45l | / 
 a43u d44u f44u e44u | / 
 d44u a44u a44u g44u | / 
% Bar 3
 d43l d83l e83l f43l d43u | / 
 a44u a84u g84u f44u a44u | / 
 f44u d84u c84u a43u d84u e84u | / 
 a44u f84u e84u d44u f84u g84u | / 
% Bar 4
 b42u a42u g42u g43l | / 
 d45l c45l d45l d45l | / 
 f44u e44u g84u f84u g84u d84u | / 
 a44u a44u b84nu a84u b84u g84u | / 
% Bar 5
 c4d4l b83nl a43l a43l | / 
 d2d5l a44u | / 
 f4d4u g84u f44u a43u | / 
 a2d4u a43u | / 
% Bar 6
 d43l f42u g42u a42u | / 
 f44u a44u b44l c45l | / 
 a43u d44u f44u e44u | / 
 d44u a44u a44u g44u | / 
% Bar 7
 d43l d83l e83l f43l c84l b83l | / 
 a44u a84u g84u f44u c45l | / 
 f44u d84u c84u a43u c44u | / 
 a44u f84u e84u d44u c44u | / 
% Bar 8
 a43l a42u b42u c43u | / 
 c45l a44u f44u g44u | / 
 c44u e44u d44u e44u | / 
 f44u c45l c45l b44l | / 
% Bar 9
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 a44u c85l b84l a44u r8 c85l | / 
 f44u f84u e84u f44u r8 e84u | / 
 c45l a84u g84u f44u r8 g84u | / 
% Bar10
 f43l e43l d43l g42u | / 
 f45l c45l d45l g44u | / 
 f84u e84u f44u g84u f84u d44u | / 
 a84u g84u a44u b84u a84u b44u zg4 | / 
% Bar11
 a42u b42u c43u c83su d83u | / 
 a44u f84u b84u b44l g84u f84u | / 
 e44u d84u f84u d44su e84u f84u | / 
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% Bar12
 e43l f43l g43l c84l b83l | / 
 e44u f44u g44u c45l | / 
 c44u d44u d44u c44u | / 
 g44u f44u f44u e44u | / 
% Bar13
 a83l g83l f83l c83l f42u e82u f82u | / 
 c4d5l c85l c45l g84u f84u | / 
 c4d4u e84u f44u c84su d84u | / 
 f4d4u g84u a44u b84u a84u | / 
% Bar14
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 g44u a44u a84u g84u g84u e84u | / 
 c44u d84u c84u b43u a83u a83u | / 
 g44u f44u f44u e84u c84u | / 
% Bar15
 d2d3l r4 | / 
 f2d4u r4 | / 
 a2d3u r4 | / 
 d2d4u r4 | / 
% Bar16
 r2 r4 e82u f82u | / 
 r2 r4 g84u f84u | / 
 r2 r4 c84su d84u | / 
 r2 r4 b84u a84u | / 
% Bar17
 a42u b82u d83u g43l c83su a82u | / 
 g44u a44u b44l a44u | / 
 c44u d44u f44u e44u | / 
 g44u f44u a84u g84u a84u c85u | / 
% Bar18
 d2d2u zd3 r4 | / 
 a2d4u r4 | / 
 f2d4u r4 | / 
 d2d5l r4 | / 

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