Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Dieter]

Am 13.03.2016 um 00:50 schrieb Rodolfo Medina:

Don Simons  writes:


Rodolfo Medina wrote

I wish a way of transposing a note that would affect only that note
and not any note until next `\en' command, as ' and ` do instead.

...

Alternatively, a one- or two-digit, positive or negative integer can
always be used.


Thanks.  But in the next versions of MusiXTeX, I would hope that a new way
of `single note' transposition was introduced, so to affect, if desired,

only a

single note.  This for two reasons: the notation with digits is not good

when

the piece is to be entirely transposed, and second because, with such a
`single note affecting transposition', it would be enough for the user, to

write

notes, just to remember the seven letters: a, b, c, d, e, f, g and their

capital

correspondent: A, B, C, D, E, F, G.  So writing notes would be simpler.


I've been seeing the complicated negotiations that followed this, and
wondering all along "why?",


Because I hadn't thought of the simple solution to do 'p! and `p! and put
\zcharnote{}{} in parenthesis: {\zcharnote{}{}}.



until this morning when I looked up the start of
the thread. I still wonder why, given that PMX directly and simply addresses
both of the stated reasons --- full-score transposition and simple names for
notes. And furthermore, PMX implicitly handles another MusiXTeX
transposition issue: setting the default directions of beams.


Because, although I'm new to MusiXTeX, I'm an old plain TeX user so I'm
accustomed with plain TeX and its language and feel at ease and at home with
it, and MusiXTeX is written in plain TeX language.

Thanks,

Rodolfo
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Hi Rodolfo,

why don't you give a try on PMX? I promise ( although you are an expert 
on TeX ) it will speed up your music  typesetting tremendously.


And in the saved time you could try to improve PMX's abilities in 
keyboard fingering.


Regards, Dieter
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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Rodolfo Medina]

Don Simons  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina wrote
>> >> I wish a way of transposing a note that would affect only that note
>> >> and not any note until next `\en' command, as ' and ` do instead.  
> ...
>> >
>> > Alternatively, a one- or two-digit, positive or negative integer can
>> > always be used.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.  But in the next versions of MusiXTeX, I would hope that a new way
>> of `single note' transposition was introduced, so to affect, if desired,
> only a
>> single note.  This for two reasons: the notation with digits is not good
> when
>> the piece is to be entirely transposed, and second because, with such a
>> `single note affecting transposition', it would be enough for the user, to
> write
>> notes, just to remember the seven letters: a, b, c, d, e, f, g and their
> capital
>> correspondent: A, B, C, D, E, F, G.  So writing notes would be simpler.
>> 
>
> I've been seeing the complicated negotiations that followed this, and
> wondering all along "why?",


Because I hadn't thought of the simple solution to do 'p! and `p! and put
\zcharnote{}{} in parenthesis: {\zcharnote{}{}}.


> until this morning when I looked up the start of
> the thread. I still wonder why, given that PMX directly and simply addresses
> both of the stated reasons --- full-score transposition and simple names for
> notes. And furthermore, PMX implicitly handles another MusiXTeX
> transposition issue: setting the default directions of beams.


Because, although I'm new to MusiXTeX, I'm an old plain TeX user so I'm
accustomed with plain TeX and its language and feel at ease and at home with
it, and MusiXTeX is written in plain TeX language.

Thanks,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Don Simons]

Rodolfo Medina wrote
> >> I wish a way of transposing a note that would affect only that note
> >> and not any note until next `\en' command, as ' and ` do instead.  
...
> >
> > Alternatively, a one- or two-digit, positive or negative integer can
> > always be used.
> 
> 
> Thanks.  But in the next versions of MusiXTeX, I would hope that a new way
> of `single note' transposition was introduced, so to affect, if desired,
only a
> single note.  This for two reasons: the notation with digits is not good
when
> the piece is to be entirely transposed, and second because, with such a
> `single note affecting transposition', it would be enough for the user, to
write
> notes, just to remember the seven letters: a, b, c, d, e, f, g and their
capital
> correspondent: A, B, C, D, E, F, G.  So writing notes would be simpler.
> 

I've been seeing the complicated negotiations that followed this, and
wondering all along "why?", until this morning when I looked up the start of
the thread. I still wonder why, given that PMX directly and simply addresses
both of the stated reasons --- full-score transposition and simple names for
notes. And furthermore, PMX implicitly handles another MusiXTeX
transposition issue: setting the default directions of beams.

I will grant that Rodolfo has also indicated that one of his main
applications is entering keyboard fingerings, and that PMX doesn't do that
especially well...you'd either need to use inline TeX or the "text dynamics"
command D"..." . But even so, in raw MusiXTeX you'd still need to fiddle
around to get the positioning where you want it.

--Don Simons

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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Bob Tennent]

 >|> I wonder why the
 >|>
 >|>   'p!
 >|>
 >|> trick doesn't work within \zcharnote.  Could that be fixed in the next
 >|> versions of MusiXTeX?

Way beyond my TeX skills. Ancient code, barely documented
(in French!).

 >|...and, anyway, I'd personally like there would be
 >|a particular different notation for single-note
 >|transposition with respect to ' and ` local octaviations.

Not at all easy. ` ' and ! work by (locally) changing
\transpose:

  \if !\t@ruc \transpose\normaltranspose \C@Get \fi
  \if '\t@ruc \advance\transpose\s@v@n   \C@Get \fi
  \if `\t@ruc \advance\transpose-\s@v@n  \C@Get \fi

What happens after that (\C@Get) is not available. What
you're asking for is a way to affect *just* the next note.

Surely `p' and 'p` are easy enough to use and work in most
contexts.

Bob T.
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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Bob Tennent]

 >|Perfect.  I wonder why the
 >|
 >|  'p!
 >|
 >|trick doesn't work within \zcharnote.  

In \qa{...} musixtex is looking for possibly multiple notes.
But in \zcharnote it's looking for just one.

 >|Could that be fixed in the next versions of MusiXTeX?

I'll have a look but I wouldn't say it's a priority. It's
not a bug and the fact that the "trick" works at all is
likely not even an intentional feature.

Bob
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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Bob Tennent]

 >|> \zcharnote{'o}{\smalltype3}\zq{!m}\ql{'m!}
 >|>^
 >|
 >|Or maybe: \hbox{\zcharnote{'o}{\smalltype3}}\zq{m}\ql{'m!}

Yes, or even just

{\zcharnote{'o}{\smalltype3}}\zq{m}\ql{'m!}

Bob
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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Rodolfo Medina]

Bob Tennent  writes:

>  >|>> \qa{'x!} or \qa{'x`}
>  >|>
>  >|> That works fine.  Thanks.
>  >|
>  >|But unfortunately it doesn't seem to work within \zcharnote, as in the
>  >|following example:
>  >|
>  >|\input musixtex
>  >|\startpiece
>  >|\notes
>  >|\zcharnote{'o!}{\smalltype3}\zq{m}\ql{'m!}%
>  >|\en
>  >|\Endpiece
>  >|\end
>
> \zcharnote{'o}{\smalltype3}\zq{!m}\ql{'m!}
>^
> Bob T.


Or maybe: \hbox{\zcharnote{'o}{\smalltype3}}\zq{m}\ql{'m!}

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Re: [Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Bob Tennent]

 >|I wish a way of transposing a note that would affect only
 >|that note and not any note until next `\en' command, as '
 >|and ` do instead. Is that possibile? I find uncomfortable
 >|that group affection as it necessarily requires the use
 >|of !, and, on the other hand, higher than z and lower
 >|than A there's apparently no other way of notating notes
 >|else than using ' and `.

Don't know what "group affection" means.

What's wrong with, say,

\qa{'x!} or \qa{'x`}

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[Tex-music] Single note transposition

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

I wish a way of transposing a note that would affect only that note and not any
note until next `\en' command, as ' and ` do instead.  Is that possibile?  I
find uncomfortable that group affection as it necessarily requires the use of
!, and, on the other hand, higher than z and lower than A there's apparently no
other way of notating notes else than using ' and `.

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo
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