Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

2014-08-11 Thread Dieter 

Hi Andre and Don,

many thanks for your help. Sorry for my stupidities when I restart 
typesetting notes after a longer break.


Andre's solution works fine for my purpose. I will try to find out what 
it means in detail.


Another solution at least in theory would be to make the xtuplet 
construct of PMX nested, however difficult this may be.


Best regards,
Dieter

Am 10.08.2014 08:43, schrieb Don Simons:


I wasn't familiar with \scale. That's a good idea. But to get it 
exactly right, you would only want to scale down the spacing within 
the triplet, not for the full bar.


In PMX the baseline spacing is sqrt(8*t) \elemskip, where t is in 
quarter notes. Of course if there are several lines of music, this 
only applies to the shortest note acting at a given time. For the 
original example, this turns out to mean that the half note in the 
triplet should have 18.4% less space than a regular half note, and the 
eighth note in the triplet should have 18.4% less space than an 
ordinary eighth note.


There are lots of different ways to increase or decrease spacing. 
Three possibilities are \scale with inline TeX, the PMX command X, or 
the TeX command \ast (defined in pmx.tex and used by \ast) with 
argument in \elemskips. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For 
this example, \scale has the advantage that we know its value should 
be 0.82, but getting it to operate only on the triplet notes would be 
tricky since it has to be issued outside a \notes group; also (and 
this is really subtle) PMX will not know about the change in scale, 
and therefore its accounting would be messed up a bit, affecting such 
things as how much extra space is added when accidentals don't fit in 
the available space on the affected line. The PMX command X, with a 
negative argument in notehead widths, would have the advantage that 
the accounting would be properly adjusted, but the disadvantage that 
it would be very difficult to  calculate exactly how many notehead 
widths you'd need to reduce the spacing by the desired percentage. 
Also, X doesn't seem to work between the last note in a bar and the 
barline. \ast has an argument in \elemskips that you could compute 
 exactly from the timing using the above formula, but again, PMX would 
be unaware of the spacing adjustment.


--Don

*From:*TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] *On Behalf Of 
*Andre Van Ryckeghem

*Sent:* Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:39 PM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive
*Subject:* Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different 
duration


This is a solution, closer to what Dieter needs.

It is done by redefintion of the quarter note to two eight notes, the 
slur is made by trial and error.


It is possible to make a correct slur in inline tex, but i prefer to 
do it in pmx because it is so easy.


I see also in Don's solution that it is possible to partially beam a 
trio, that is nice.


The spacing can be adjusted by using \\\scale{}\ 



If the meter of the bar is changed, a trio is no more needed?

Andre



---

\input musixtex

\input pmx

---

2   1   4   4   4   4   0  -2

1   1   20  0.03

bt

./

%w200

\\\let\qlnew\ql\ 

f43 f f23Dx2 f /

e45 d

\downtrio{-4}{1.6}0\ d25Dx2n 
\def\ql#1{\ibl060\qb0{#1}\tbl0\qb06\let\ql\qlnew}\ e su+1 s-0+4 /


m5400

f43 f \xnum{2}{-3}3\unbkt{-4}{1}0\ f2 f4 /

e45 d \xnum{2}{-3}3\unbkt{-4}{1.3}0\ d2 [ e8 d ] /

\\\scale{0.9}\ 

f43 f f2 f4 /

f45 f \downtrio{-4}{1.4}0\ f2 [ e8 d ] /

\\\scale{1}\ 

m4400

g23.r /

c25.r /

=

*From:*Don Simons <mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com>

*Sent:*Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:12 PM

*To:*'Werner Icking Music Archive' <mailto:tex-music@tug.org>

*Subject:*Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different 
duration


Here's a slightly easier way with hardly any inline TeX, if you're not 
worried about the horizontal spacing being exactly right:


===

2 2 5 4 4 4 0 0

1 1 20 0

tt

.\

w3i

f44 f \xnum{2}{-3}3\unbkt{-4}{1}0\ f2 f4 /

e45 d \xnum{2}{-3}3\unbkt{-4}{1.3}0\ d2 [ e8 d ] /

m4400

g24.r /

c25.r /

===

--Don Simons

*From:*TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] *On Behalf Of *Dieter
*Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2014 12:59 AM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive
*Subject:* [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

I am trying to typeset the upper triplet construct with PMX. The  
lower one works fine, using the "D"-symbol.

Does anybody have a solution?

Thanks and regards!
Dieter






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Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

2014-08-09 Thread Don Simons 
I don’t understand why you added the \input’s. I get exactly the same result
without them; PMX automatically inserts those same two commands.

 

Here’s a fine-tuned version of an example input file. The horizontal spacing
of the notes will not come out exactly right without some tweaks. The two
eighths in the triplet should be closer together than ordinary eighths. And
I needed to manually adjust the bracket and number positions. Of course
you’d have to tailor the tweaks to your particular situation.

 

It’s unfortunate that we have to do so much work for this. If you had 100
occurrences of this pattern with different notes in each, it would be really
tedious. If this were a more common situation I’d be willing to work it into
PMX. 

 

And BTW in trying out different approaches to this example I noticed that
“f24Dx6 fD e f r4” doesn’t work as I’d like to see, in that the last two
notes are not beamed together. Maybe I will look into fixing that.

 

--Don Simons

 

BEWARE OF LINE FOLDS



2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 1 20 0

 

 

tt

.\

w3i

\\def\edfore{\let\qlt\ql\def\ql##1{\ibl1{##1}{-1}\qb17\loffset1{\tbl1\qb16}\
ast{-1}\let\ql\qlt}}\

f44 f f2Dx3 f | g2.r /

e85 e d4 \xnum{1.8}{-3}3\unbkt{-4}{1.3}0\ d2Dx3n \edfore\ e | c2.r /

=

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 6:57 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

 


Thanks! Stupid me! I experienced this problem before.

Regards Dieter
Am 09.08.2014 11:26, schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:

i added the dash lines and the

forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit -5, file Internal
Formatted Read

is no more there.

Andre

==

---

\input musixtex

\input pmx

---

2   1   3   4   3   4   0  -2

1   1   20  0.03

 

bt

./

w150

\downtrio{-4}{1.6}0\

f23Dx2n f su+1 s-0+4 r4 /

\\\let\qlnew\ql\def\ql#1{\ibl060\qb07\tbl0\qb0{#1}}\
 

f2Dx2 f r4 /

===

From: Dieter <mailto:d.gloet...@web.de>  

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:00 AM

To: Werner Icking Music Archive <mailto:tex-music@tug.org>  

Subject: Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

 

Hi Andre,

is this a running example?

I added two lines to the beginning of your example: 

\input musixtex
\input pmx


When I am trying to run it on a WIndows PC, I get the following error
message from PMX:


Starting first PMX pass

forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit -5, file Internal
Formatted Read

I cannot see anything wrong with the file. My command file runpmx works
perfectly with any other pmx-file.

May be this is a case for Don.

Am 08.08.2014 11:50, schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:

I did not found an elegant solution

===

2   1   3   4   3   4   0  -2

1   1   20  .03

 

bt

./

w150

\downtrio{-4}{1.6}0\

f23Dx2n f su+1 s-0+4 r4 /

\\\let\qlnew\ql\def\ql#1{\ibl060\qb07\tbl0\qb0{#1}}\
 

f2Dx2 f r4 /



 

Andre

 

 

From: Dieter <mailto:d.gloet...@web.de>  

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 9:58 AM

To: Werner Icking Music Archive <mailto:tex-music@tug.org>  

Subject: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

 

I am trying to typeset the upper triplet construct with PMX. The  lower one
works fine, using the "D"-symbol.
Does anybody have a solution?

Thanks and regards!
Dieter




 
 

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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 6:57 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

 


Thanks! Stupid me! I experienced this problem before.

Regards Dieter
Am 09.08.2014 11:26, schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:

i added the dash

Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

2014-08-09 Thread Dieter 


Thanks! Stupid me! I experienced this problem before.

Regards Dieter
Am 09.08.2014 11:26, schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:

i added the dash lines and the
/forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit -5, file Internal 
Formatted Read/

is no more there.
Andre
==
---
\input musixtex
\input pmx
---
2   1   3   4   3   4   0  -2
1   1   20  0.03
bt
./
w150
\downtrio{-4}{1.6}0\
f23Dx2n f su+1 s-0+4 r4 /
\\\let\qlnew\ql\def\ql#1{\ibl060\qb07\tbl0\qb0{#1}}\
f2Dx2 f r4 /
===
*From:* Dieter <mailto:d.gloet...@web.de>
*Sent:* Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:00 AM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive <mailto:tex-music@tug.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different 
duration

Hi Andre,

is this a running example?

I added two lines to the beginning of your example:

/\input musixtex//
//\input pmx/


When I am trying to run it on a WIndows PC, I get the following error 
message from PMX:



/Starting first PMX pass//
//
//forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit -5, file Internal 
Formatted Read/


I cannot see anything wrong with the file. My command file runpmx 
works perfectly with any other pmx-file.


May be this is a case for Don.

Am 08.08.2014 11:50, schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:

I did not found an elegant solution
===
2   1   3   4   3   4   0  -2
1   1   20  .03
bt
./
w150
\downtrio{-4}{1.6}0\
f23Dx2n f su+1 s-0+4 r4 /
\\\let\qlnew\ql\def\ql#1{\ibl060\qb07\tbl0\qb0{#1}}\
f2Dx2 f r4 /

Andre
*From:* Dieter <mailto:d.gloet...@web.de>
*Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2014 9:58 AM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive <mailto:tex-music@tug.org>
*Subject:* [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration
I am trying to typeset the upper triplet construct with PMX. The  
lower one works fine, using the "D"-symbol.

Does anybody have a solution?

Thanks and regards!
Dieter





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Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

2014-08-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Coulon 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, Dieter wrote:


I am not aware of the tuplet package.


This package is to typesett triplets like | 3 | as shown in your 
"ggaciigi.jpg"


Bye

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Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

2014-08-08 Thread Dieter 

Hi Jean-Pierre,

many thanks for your rapid reply.

I am using plain PMX. the excerpt is:
%Bars 59-61
a2f+ g4 g | f f f2x3D f | e2dn r4 | /
f2 e4 e | b b b2x3D  b | c2d r4 | /
b2 b4 b | f f f2x3Df | g2d r8 g1 g | /
d2 f4 e | e d d2x3D  e  | c2d r8 b1 c | /

which then looks like:


But what I want is, to break the last quarter note in the soprano 
triplet into two eigth notes.


I am not aware of the tuplet package.

Bye
Dieter Gloetzel



Am 08.08.2014 12:11, schrieb Jean-Pierre Coulon:

Are you using the tuplet package or are you redeveloping what it does?

See my example.

Bye,

Jean-Pierre Coulon


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Re: [Tex-music] xtuplet composed of notes with different duration

2014-08-08 Thread Bodo Meissner 
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Am 08.08.2014 um 09:58 schrieb Dieter:
> I am trying to typeset the upper triplet construct with PMX. The  lower one 
> works fine, using the "D"-symbol. Does anybody have a solution?

Hello Dieter,

this remembers me of an old score with partially beamed Triplets I wanted to 
reproduce some years ago. It is a score for choir where the beams indicate 
melismas.
This could be solved with inline TeX. I did not analyze the code, so I don't 
know if it is useful for your case.

Extract from my M-Tx file:

% Bar 0-2
% inline TeX trick to get partially beamed triplets as proposed by Olivier Vogel
\let\oldcu\cu\ibu4{4}{-2}\def\cu#1{\qb4{#1}}\ b4ax3 \def\cu#1{\tbu4\qb4{#1}}\ g 
\let\cu\oldcu\ b | e4d d8 c g | b2 
\let\oldcu\cu\ibu4{4}{-2}\def\cu#1{\qb4{#1}}\ c4ax3 \def\cu#1{\tbu4\qb4{#1}}\ 
bs \let\cu\oldcu\ c |
\let\oldcl\cl\ibl3{4}{-2}\def\cl#1{\qb3{#1}}\beginmel\ b4ax3n+1 
\def\cl#1{\tbl3\qb3{#1}}\endmel\ g \let\cl\oldcl\ b | e4d d8 c g | b2   
a4x3Dn+1   a |
L: {vers}
\let\oldcu\cu\ibu2{9}{-2}\def\cu#1{\qb2{#1}}\ b4ax3nf-1 
\def\cu#1{\tbu2\qb2{#1}}\ g \let\cu\oldcu\ b | e4d d8 c g | b2   f4x3D XS-1 f |
\let\oldcl\cl\ibl1{9}{-2}\def\cl#1{\qb1{#1}}\ b4ax3nf \def\cl#1{\tbl1\qb1{#1}}\ 
g \let\cl\oldcl\ b | e4d d8 c g | b2 f4x3Dn-2s+2e |
%

I try to attach the resulting PDF file.


Bodo

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