Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
Back in the days (around 1985 or so) Caltech in Pasadena used to have a surplus store on campus. I spent a good time in that store, and still have some of those treasures. Lot's of JPL stuff. Does anyone know if that still exists?? bye, Said In a message dated 3/31/2010 21:23:59 Pacific Daylight Time, d.sei...@comcast.net writes: Wow, kind of a cross between the old Halted and Alan Steel in Redwood City. I know where to go if I need doorknobs! Dave - Original Message - From: Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:24:47 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [time-nuts] Surplus Places... In the Southern, California - Los Angeles area, we have a place called Apex Electronics. Some of the prices in the past have been outrageous, but now seem to becoming more reasonable. Right now there seems to be a ton of NTSC TV stuffs coming in the doors. I think you could spend days foraging around at Apex. Here's a link that really doesn't even begin to do it justice: http://www.apexelectronic.com/ Burt, K6OQK Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
I received one of those computerless wire cards from one of my kids and thought it was pretty clever. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:09 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places... Or wireless computer and computerless wire (seen on a birthday card). Bill -Original Message- Don Latham Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 3:48 PM Goes to showya---word order can be important, core memory and memory core...hehe Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
Hi There have *always* been multiple tiers to the surplus market. Catalogs of gear have always shown up with prices that were 10X (or 100X) what an item might be bought for. That was as true in 1965 as it is today. A *lot* of those old time outfits lived off of a buy it for 1/3 list and sell it for 2/3 list business model. Apparently there have always been people willing to pay those sort of prices. The universal PC instrument is a lot like those cute little all in one machines. Either you have a dozen of them each set up for a single task or you spend time converting back and froth between tasks. It's a drill press and I need a lathe ... It's an ohm meter and I need a frequency counter Like the universal machine, once you do get it converted around, it's not *quite* as good at any one task as a dedicated machine. Mass and rigidity counts in machines ... self calibration only goes so far on an instrument. You can indeed get the task done either way. You'll get it done with less hassle with the dedicated gear. You'll save money with the all in one. There will be a market for both for a long time to come. Bob On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Don Latham wrote: Well, there are more reasons for astounding prices. For example, Ebay was a good place to get stuff, until it changed from a marketplace to a virtual storefront. A bunch of buy it now's does not establish a marketplace where prices can be determined. So the BIN's have prices that seem outrageous. Personally, I think some of the older instruments, although nice, are becoming obsolete. See QEX for some examples. For $300-500 a universal front end, called a PC, can serve a bunch of instruments, and do a lot of other things as well. I've seen, but haven't built, soundcard driven instruments such as oscilloscopes, impedance measurers (is that a word?) and a lot more. Flexible software is easy to generate, and displays can get as fancy as needed. Calibration and holding calibration seems the biggest problem. IMHO, older instruments built around microprocessors have digitally driven parts such as attenuators, frequency sources,etc that might be adapted to PC's through USB adapters. Anyone done that? Just an idle thought, but is there a group somewhere in netspace where this kind of info is collected? Pardon the sort of mind fart... Don Latham jimlux Scott Burris wrote: CH closed briefly to move and is now open in Duarte: http://www.candhsurplus.com/ At Apex, a friend tried to purchase a nose cone from a rocket, but they declined to sell it to him because they were making too much money renting it out to movie studios. Scott That is precisely the reason for outrageous prices at Apex. If it makes a good prop (spinning mag tape drives, panels with lots of switches and lights, etc.) then they can make hundreds of dollars a week in rental. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
saidj...@aol.com wrote: Back in the days (around 1985 or so) Caltech in Pasadena used to have a surplus store on campus. I spent a good time in that store, and still have some of those treasures. Lot's of JPL stuff. Does anyone know if that still exists?? No. doesn't exist. Most government facilities (including JPL, which although part of CalTech, all the property is owned by NASA, so for surplus situation is government) have to dispose of their excess inventory in a special way. First you put it on a list, then other NASA centers get to pick and choose, then, other gov't agencies, finally educational institutions, and, then, only then, is it put up for bid, and then, someone could buy it and sell it at retail. For the most part, I think it all gets bought as metal scrap, is crushed and shredded and then loaded on ships for recycling elsewhere. I think there's a lot of factors leading to the demise of surplus stores... 1) Hazmat disposal rules - cradle to grave responsibility makes disposing institutions concerned about inadvertently having something hazardous in the pile of junk. Transfer to someone who is ostensibly an entity willing to accept liability, do the paper work, etc. 2) A huge overseas market and cheap transportation - it's economically worthwhile to grind up broken whatevers and extract the metals by acid leach, particularly if this can be done in a place without many workplace safety regulations and low wages. (I don't say it's ethically right, but it is clearly advantageous in economic terms. I think the practice is reprehensible. ) 3) ITAR and export controls - if you're not just going to grind everything up, then you have to make sure that you're not surplusing something that is export controlled. The laws are vague and scary in consequences. Is it worth spending time examining each piece of gear and deciding whether it might be a defense article or dual use? How many surplus places are set up to deal with that? 4) For test equipment, the rise of the equipment rental industry. Fewer large companies actually own any test equipment these days; they rent or lease it, and the rental companies don't seem to feed the surplus market in quite the same way. 5) Manufacturing and equipment processes have changed. Fewer piece parts, less hand assembly, so you don't see surplus parts. Much better estimation and planning, so less surplus (in the sense of buy 20% more to account for scrap and so forth, and actually wind up with 10% left over at the end of the production run) 6) Ebay and UPS. I think that's more the death of things like ham-fests as supplies of equipment. Why get up early, load all that stuff into a truck and take it to sit at a table in the sun all day, when you can (clad only in your underwear) put up the listings, receive the orders, box the stuff up, and have UPS pick it up at your front door. Interestingly, I see even this model fading, as the more organized surplus style places take over the marketplace. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
Hi Add a few more things to the list: 1) The rise of contract manufacturing. Apple is in a nice big complex in San Francisco. Their stuff gets made who knows where. No more parts from Apple floating around the bay area. What's scrap to one job may be stuffed on the next job by a sharp CM. Not as much scrap to go around. 2) Very real improvements in yields, even on complex products. The number of repair and debug benches isn't what it once was. 3) Changes in the way programs are contracted. Back in the old days it was advantageous to buy gear for a project and dispose of it when the project was over. That sort of stuff went into a steep decline starting in the 70's. 4) Software is king. Like it or not, most big companies spend 10X designing firmware / software over what they spend on hardware. If you have a hundred design guys toiling away today, 90 of them have workstations rather than benches. Thirty years ago they all would have had a bench. 5) We are well past the end of the vacuum tube test equipment era. A lot of the churn in gear in the past was conversion to solid state. Tube based stuff became viewed as ever more costly to keep running (both repair and calibration). Now when a gizmo fries it's magic custom internals it's a scrap metal item rather than a repair or surplus. Such is progress. I'm sure there are more. It's not all bad though. I could never have gone down to the local surplus place and found a $70 TBolt sitting in a pile, let alone a near infinite quantity of them. Volt meters, power supplies, a million 15.27K ohm 300 Watt resistors, yes - highly specialized stuff - no. Even at a hamfest what's there this year isn't what's there next year. I could spend a lot of time looking for that great deal and never find it again. I'm glad I can shop where the stuff now is. Rummaging around a surplus store in Shanghai one day and one in Atlanta the next makes for major jet lag Time marches on. Bob On Apr 1, 2010, at 9:24 AM, jimlux wrote: saidj...@aol.com wrote: Back in the days (around 1985 or so) Caltech in Pasadena used to have a surplus store on campus. I spent a good time in that store, and still have some of those treasures. Lot's of JPL stuff. Does anyone know if that still exists?? No. doesn't exist. Most government facilities (including JPL, which although part of CalTech, all the property is owned by NASA, so for surplus situation is government) have to dispose of their excess inventory in a special way. First you put it on a list, then other NASA centers get to pick and choose, then, other gov't agencies, finally educational institutions, and, then, only then, is it put up for bid, and then, someone could buy it and sell it at retail. For the most part, I think it all gets bought as metal scrap, is crushed and shredded and then loaded on ships for recycling elsewhere. I think there's a lot of factors leading to the demise of surplus stores... 1) Hazmat disposal rules - cradle to grave responsibility makes disposing institutions concerned about inadvertently having something hazardous in the pile of junk. Transfer to someone who is ostensibly an entity willing to accept liability, do the paper work, etc. 2) A huge overseas market and cheap transportation - it's economically worthwhile to grind up broken whatevers and extract the metals by acid leach, particularly if this can be done in a place without many workplace safety regulations and low wages. (I don't say it's ethically right, but it is clearly advantageous in economic terms. I think the practice is reprehensible. ) 3) ITAR and export controls - if you're not just going to grind everything up, then you have to make sure that you're not surplusing something that is export controlled. The laws are vague and scary in consequences. Is it worth spending time examining each piece of gear and deciding whether it might be a defense article or dual use? How many surplus places are set up to deal with that? 4) For test equipment, the rise of the equipment rental industry. Fewer large companies actually own any test equipment these days; they rent or lease it, and the rental companies don't seem to feed the surplus market in quite the same way. 5) Manufacturing and equipment processes have changed. Fewer piece parts, less hand assembly, so you don't see surplus parts. Much better estimation and planning, so less surplus (in the sense of buy 20% more to account for scrap and so forth, and actually wind up with 10% left over at the end of the production run) 6) Ebay and UPS. I think that's more the death of things like ham-fests as supplies of equipment. Why get up early, load all that stuff into a truck and take it to sit at a table in the sun all day, when you can (clad only in your underwear) put up the listings, receive the orders, box the stuff up, and have UPS pick it up at your front door.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
On Apr 1, 2010, at 9:34 AM, jimlux wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi There have *always* been multiple tiers to the surplus market. Catalogs of gear have always shown up with prices that were 10X (or 100X) what an item might be bought for. That was as true in 1965 as it is today. A *lot* of those old time outfits lived off of a buy it for 1/3 list and sell it for 2/3 list business model. Apparently there have always been people willing to pay those sort of prices. That's a useful niche. One of the advantages of CH over, say, Apex, was that they had a catalog. If you actually needed something (as opposed to wandering the aisles looking for stuff that might be useful: my garage is full of things like that), then it was worth it to pay the premium to have the fine folks at CH sort and label things and put it out in a catalog. When I was in the special effects business, the ability to run through the catalog and find an air cylinder or gear motor that would work, and then send someone over to buy it, was invaluable. The universal PC instrument is a lot like those cute little all in one machines. Either you have a dozen of them each set up for a single task or you spend time converting back and froth between tasks. It's a drill press and I need a lathe ... It's an ohm meter and I need a frequency counter I think a more modern model now is to have the standalone instrument, with the PC serving as the user interface. Think of the USB based RF power meters. After all, a goodly number of instruments from Tek and Agilent now have an embedded PC in them (running Windows in some form), so it's just dividing the box at a different point. The down side is that there are times when having a knob to twist is just nice (spectrum analyzers with a frequency,span,ref level, or scopes with vertical gain, horizontal sweep and trigger). It's that clip wire here and read ohms functionality that turns the PC into an issue. Boot program, plug in usb this, hook that to there is not the same as running a normal DVM. I can have 10 or 20 instruments in front of me on the bench. Having more than 2 or three on the PC screen is difficult. Like the universal machine, once you do get it converted around, it's not *quite* as good at any one task as a dedicated machine. Mass and rigidity counts in machines ... self calibration only goes so far on an instrument. You can indeed get the task done either way. You'll get it done with less hassle with the dedicated gear. You'll save money with the all in one. There will be a market for both for a long time to come. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news
Bob Camp wrote: Hi The bring it back to the shop for a quick repair option seems to be missing from their list of proposed fixes That goes for most of the birds, part of the field. Dockable stuff like ISS and Hubble and a few others share this property. But the price for that kind of action would be... considerable. They have the redundancy, so no real need. What they do want to is bring it into constellation since it is kind of working and sits there, but if they are not sure that it will work with receivers... they could have it just flying there... they have more birds coming up the launch-pad soon enough. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news
Buyer collects - sold as-is, where is :-) Regards, David Partridge Email:david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: 01 April 2010 17:28 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news Hi Auction it off on eBay? Bob On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi The bring it back to the shop for a quick repair option seems to be missing from their list of proposed fixes That goes for most of the birds, ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news
Hi Delivery charges calculated at time of shipment. Special handling charges may apply. Bob On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:37 PM, David C. Partridge wrote: Buyer collects - sold as-is, where is :-) Regards, David Partridge Email:david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: 01 April 2010 17:28 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news Hi Auction it off on eBay? Bob On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi The bring it back to the shop for a quick repair option seems to be missing from their list of proposed fixes That goes for most of the birds, ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
Mike is active on the ArmyRadios Yahoo Group. He won't export because of the erratic and irrational policies of the US authorities. In his opinion, it is just not worth the effort and risk involved. Apparently, the US authorities can come back, years after an item has been sold, and demand it back and not compensate for costs. Ot just does not pay and he's NOT going to jail for some small sale. Can't say I blame him. Best, -John === Also in S. California is Murphys surpus. http://www.murphyjunk.bizland.com/ Too keep it on topic he has VLF/OMEGA receivers and a Rockwell NavCore GPS listed. Won't export anything though, I think he's been put on notice. Robert G8RPI. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news
Delivery charges calculated at time of shipment. Special handling charges may apply. Subject to export controls; ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS SVN-49 and some GLONASS news
It is already exported. Lester Veenstra wrote: Delivery charges calculated at time of shipment. Special handling charges may apply. Subject to export controls; ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
Brilliant! If we found a warehouse full of Unobtainium, would we have to change its name to Readiliobtainium? Or Notsorarium? Regards, Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79xx -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:29 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places...
Learned my lesson You can read the terms at : https://www.govliquidation.com/terms.html , but they don't list all the terms and leave out they way it works, and amount of time/paper work required to keep them happy. They may refund for the return expenses only if you can get a manager to approve it after you pay. BTDT Stanley - Original Message From: J. Forster j...@quik.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 11:50:45 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Places... Mike is active on the ArmyRadios Yahoo Group. He won't export because of the erratic and irrational policies of the US authorities. In his opinion, it is just not worth the effort and risk involved. Apparently, the US authorities can come back, years after an item has been sold, and demand it back and not compensate for costs. Ot just does not pay and he's NOT going to jail for some small sale. Can't say I blame him. Best, -John === Also in S. California is Murphys surpus. http://www.murphyjunk.bizland.com/ Too keep it on topic he has VLF/OMEGA receivers and a Rockwell NavCore GPS listed. Won't export anything though, I think he's been put on notice. Robert G8RPI. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
By the way, my new email is kilodelta4foxm...@topeka.com.. Brian KD4FM Tom Holmes, N8ZM wrote: Brilliant! If we found a warehouse full of Unobtainium, would we have to change its name to Readiliobtainium? Or Notsorarium? Regards, Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79xx -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:29 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
Hi Tom: I thought that was the atomic decay sequence, i.e.: Unobtainium (looses a proton)- Readiliobtainium Readiliobtainium (looses a proton)- Notsorarium Notsorarium (looses a proton)- Aprilfoolarium Tom Abbott (inventor of the Calculagraph) coined the phrase Time is Money, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/Calculagraph.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Tom Holmes, N8ZM wrote: Brilliant! If we found a warehouse full of Unobtainium, would we have to change its name to Readiliobtainium? Or Notsorarium? Regards, Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79xx -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:29 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
Tom: I see this is timestamped today at 13:29. By now the Chinese have copied the design, developed a surrogate named Nonobtanium which has a half-life of one week, and are selling knock-offs for $3.95 on epray, including mailing from Guangdong province. Don Tom Van Baak I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
I just realized that the recent big transfers of money from Washington DC to Wall Street must have been a large-scale test of the MANA system. -Rex... heading to Home Depot to find a large container I can adapt into a MANA antenna. Tom Van Baak wrote: I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
I believe the fundamental particle of Aprilfoolarium is the phoolton. Regards, Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79xx -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:35 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock Hi Tom: I thought that was the atomic decay sequence, i.e.: Unobtainium (looses a proton)- Readiliobtainium Readiliobtainium (looses a proton)- Notsorarium Notsorarium (looses a proton)- Aprilfoolarium Tom Abbott (inventor of the Calculagraph) coined the phrase Time is Money, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/Calculagraph.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Tom Holmes, N8ZM wrote: Brilliant! If we found a warehouse full of Unobtainium, would we have to change its name to Readiliobtainium? Or Notsorarium? Regards, Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79xx -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:29 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock
Awesome! /sriram From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:29 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the most precise atomic clocks. But today the best clock comes from NUTS, a quiet but intense collection of clock enthusiasts, with too much time on their hands. Read the full story here: www.LeapSecond.com/unclock.htm /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FEI FE-5680A
On 03/24/2010 03:18 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Fellow time-nuts, ... Second, anything I should keep in mind as I power one up? ... Cheers, Magnus There's a bit of discussion in the archives about the need for a heat sink, and also about the whether it's necessary to anneal the case in a 400C Hydrogen reducing oven after the SMA modification. (Although I do have access to one, it is over the threshold for things I'm willing to do.) Leigh. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FEI FE-5680A
Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU wrote: On 03/24/2010 03:18 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Fellow time-nuts, ... Second, anything I should keep in mind as I power one up? ... Cheers, Magnus There's a bit of discussion in the archives about the need for a heat sink, and also about the whether it's necessary to anneal the case in a 400C Hydrogen reducing oven after the SMA modification. (Although I do have access to one, it is over the threshold for things I'm willing to do.) Leigh. If one were to use a trepaning tool with loose abrasive and plenty of water coolant and slowly grinds the required hole through the mu metal cover, the thermal stress and mechanical disturbance of the mu-metal shield should be minimised precluding the need for hydrogen annealing. This is easily done using a drill press and a suitable tool. The tool can be assembled from brass tubing and rod. Since the forces involved are low even soft soldering should suffice. Water jet cutting should also work well. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
