Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread Brent Gordon
 I found version 8.0 bloated and slow, especially compared to version 
7.1.  It also slowed my computer to a crawl, even when it wasn't 
running.  Version 8.0 was even worse than 7.0.  Version 8.2 was a little 
bit better.  Version 8.6 was usable, however NI dropped support for 
older systems, which is what I was supporting at the time.  The LabVIEW 
Project (which was added in 8.6, I think) made life easier.  LabVIEW 
2009 is pretty good.  I haven't had a chance to really test LV2010.  I'm 
working with real-time systems and LV2010 isn't recognizing them yet.


For quick and easy use of GPIB, LabVIEW can't be beat.  It also gives 
you easy graphing and saving of data.


In a separate email to the list you said that you wanted to play with 
PCMCIA GPIB on an older Thinkpad.  I recommend you use version 7.1  It 
will do everything you need without bogging down your computer.  For 
hobby use, 8.6 doesn't really get you anything and may be too much for 
your laptop.  I used to run 7.1 on a 1.4 GHz Pentium M laptop, talking 
to three Keithley meters and a switch chassis over GPIB without any 
performance issues.  I also ran the same test systems with 600 MHz 
Celeron processors and 256 MB of memory on Win98, Win2000, and NT 3.5 
systems using 7.1.  On those slow, memory-short systems, screen updates 
were a little slow but I never missed any data.


Note that none of NI's PCMCIA products work with Vista or Win 7.

Brent

On 8/17/2010 8:15 PM, J. Forster wrote:

I guess you snooze, you loose. There was just one copy w/o CDs just now.

Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask?

Thank you,

-John

==


Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
(found by a froogle search):

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings


I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time
LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all
of the 8.x versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
the 2010 version today.

Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==


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[time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-18 Thread David Bobbett

 Hi all,

Having struggled in vain to solve this problem, I thought I  would make 
a plea for help as my first posting to Time Nuts . . . so here goes!


I have a Tbolt with v3.00 firmware which works fine with the 
Tboltmon.exe V2.60 and Lady Heather software. It also works fine with 
the iCruse Tbolt LCD monitor - except that the monitor will not display 
the DAC V value, all the other values are displayed without a problem. 
The iCruse is the later version which has had the PIC voltage conversion 
done, but not the RS232 input resistor mods.



I have two questions really:

1) Is there a setting which I need to change in my Tbolt using 
Tboltmon.exe to get this to work?


2) Does anybody on Time Nuts have an iCruse which shows a negative value 
for the DAC V?



As far as I can see, there are 3 options: a) there is a configuration 
problem, b) the iCruse doesn't display negative values for DAC V, c) my 
iCruse is faulty. I've pretty much run out of ideas on this one, so any 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated!


Regards,

David Bobbett, Milton Keynes, UK.





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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

Continuing education at the local community collage is your friend. Do it 
online and you don't even spend gas money.

Bob



On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:26 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

 Sadly, it looks like you have to be a student though.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -John
 
 ===
 
 
 Yes, the student edition is fully functional. Printed results will include
 a Student Edition water mark to remind you it's not for publication.
 
 Pete Rawson
 
 On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:07 AM, J. Forster wrote:
 
 Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver
 library?
 I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.
 
 Best,
 
 -John
 
 
 
 Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.
 
 Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
 otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
 registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
 direct technical help from them with very good results.
 
 Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.
 
 Pete Rawson
 
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Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-18 Thread Didier Juges
When you say will not display the DAC V value, do you mean the display is
blank, or it displays garbage?

Interestingly, the code that displays temperature and DAC voltage is
essentially the same, the only difference being which part of the data
string received from the Thunderbolt is processed, so it is hard to imagine
why one would work and not the other, unless the data received from the TB
is corrupted in the part that should contain the DAV value, and the
conversion routine fails.

If you have doubts that the serial interface may not be working (I am not
sure about what missing resistor you are talking about), fix that first and
try again.

Looking at the serial stream with a scope may help diagnose such problem.

Didier KO4BB

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of David Bobbett
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:23 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

  Hi all,

Having struggled in vain to solve this problem, I thought I  would make a
plea for help as my first posting to Time Nuts . . . so here goes!

I have a Tbolt with v3.00 firmware which works fine with the Tboltmon.exe
V2.60 and Lady Heather software. It also works fine with the iCruse Tbolt
LCD monitor - except that the monitor will not display the DAC V value,
all the other values are displayed without a problem. 
The iCruse is the later version which has had the PIC voltage conversion
done, but not the RS232 input resistor mods.


I have two questions really:

1) Is there a setting which I need to change in my Tbolt using Tboltmon.exe
to get this to work?

2) Does anybody on Time Nuts have an iCruse which shows a negative value for
the DAC V?


As far as I can see, there are 3 options: a) there is a configuration 
problem, b) the iCruse doesn't display negative values for DAC V, c) my 
iCruse is faulty. I've pretty much run out of ideas on this one, so any 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

David Bobbett, Milton Keynes, UK.





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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread J. Forster
Thank you very much.

I just bought a NI PCMCIA card and seperately the cable on eBay for a
total of $115 to use in a T-20 or T-30 series Thinkpad. They are available
for about $100 w/ 500 MB + memory and a 20 GB+ HD.

Having an upper limit on the useful LabVIEW Rev numbers is very useful.
I'm basically playing and am not trying to build a high performance ATE
system.

Best,

-John

==


   I found version 8.0 bloated and slow, especially compared to version
 7.1.  It also slowed my computer to a crawl, even when it wasn't
 running.  Version 8.0 was even worse than 7.0.  Version 8.2 was a little
 bit better.  Version 8.6 was usable, however NI dropped support for
 older systems, which is what I was supporting at the time.  The LabVIEW
 Project (which was added in 8.6, I think) made life easier.  LabVIEW
 2009 is pretty good.  I haven't had a chance to really test LV2010.  I'm
 working with real-time systems and LV2010 isn't recognizing them yet.

 For quick and easy use of GPIB, LabVIEW can't be beat.  It also gives
 you easy graphing and saving of data.

 In a separate email to the list you said that you wanted to play with
 PCMCIA GPIB on an older Thinkpad.  I recommend you use version 7.1  It
 will do everything you need without bogging down your computer.  For
 hobby use, 8.6 doesn't really get you anything and may be too much for
 your laptop.  I used to run 7.1 on a 1.4 GHz Pentium M laptop, talking
 to three Keithley meters and a switch chassis over GPIB without any
 performance issues.  I also ran the same test systems with 600 MHz
 Celeron processors and 256 MB of memory on Win98, Win2000, and NT 3.5
 systems using 7.1.  On those slow, memory-short systems, screen updates
 were a little slow but I never missed any data.

 Note that none of NI's PCMCIA products work with Vista or Win 7.

 Brent

 On 8/17/2010 8:15 PM, J. Forster wrote:
 I guess you snooze, you loose. There was just one copy w/o CDs just
 now.

 Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask?

 Thank you,

 -John

 ==

 Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
 (found by a froogle search):

 http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings


 I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time
 LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all
 of the 8.x versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
 the 2010 version today.

 Brent

 On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:
 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
 sell?
 If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

 ==





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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread jimlux

Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Continuing education at the local community collage is your friend. Do it 
online and you don't even spend gas money.

Bob




Not always.. e.g. Matlab says: The product is solely for use in 
connection with courses offered at degree-granting institutions, either 
by students working toward a degree, or by continuing education 
students. They are not for personal, professional, or commercial use.



and they do check ID
Proof of student status is documentation that confirms that you are 
currently a student enrolled in a degree-granting institution. To 
successfully authenticate as a student, you must provide us with 
acceptable proof of student status by uploading a digital copy of any 
one of these documents:



I doubt that they'd call the school to see if you're taking a class that 
actually could use matlab (Aha, we see you're taking 17th century 
English literature, how ARE you using Matlab in that?  Why, I'm using 
it to do statistical analysis on the works allegedly written by 
Shakespeare to determine the actual author.)



So, you'd be splitting hairs a bit... (not likely that the mathworks 
police are coming after you)




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Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-18 Thread David Bobbett

 Hi Didier,

No - the display reads DAC V: 0. on the iCruse LCD, all the other 
data (including temperature) displays normally and correctly. So it is 
only that part of the data which doesn't seem to be decoded and 
displayed correctly. The really odd thing is that the DAC V value can be 
seen in Tboltmon.exe, although I realise that that particular program 
also sends data to the Tbolt, which the iCruse does not.


The reference to the RS232 resistors was in the context of the 
discussions regarding whether the values in the iCruse are correct -  
but of course if all the other data is being received correctly, there 
doesn't seem to be any logical reason why the DAC data would be any 
different.



Thanks for the reply, but I'm still puzzled!


David, G4IRQ





On 18/08/2010 12:33, Didier Juges wrote:

When you say will not display the DAC V value, do you mean the display is
blank, or it displays garbage?

Interestingly, the code that displays temperature and DAC voltage is
essentially the same, the only difference being which part of the data
string received from the Thunderbolt is processed, so it is hard to imagine
why one would work and not the other, unless the data received from the TB
is corrupted in the part that should contain the DAV value, and the
conversion routine fails.

If you have doubts that the serial interface may not be working (I am not
sure about what missing resistor you are talking about), fix that first and
try again.

Looking at the serial stream with a scope may help diagnose such problem.

Didier KO4BB

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of David Bobbett
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:23 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

   Hi all,

Having struggled in vain to solve this problem, I thought I  would make a
plea for help as my first posting to Time Nuts . . . so here goes!

I have a Tbolt with v3.00 firmware which works fine with the Tboltmon.exe
V2.60 and Lady Heather software. It also works fine with the iCruse Tbolt
LCD monitor - except that the monitor will not display the DAC V value,
all the other values are displayed without a problem.
The iCruse is the later version which has had the PIC voltage conversion
done, but not the RS232 input resistor mods.


I have two questions really:

1) Is there a setting which I need to change in my Tbolt using Tboltmon.exe
to get this to work?

2) Does anybody on Time Nuts have an iCruse which shows a negative value for
the DAC V?


As far as I can see, there are 3 options: a) there is a configuration
problem, b) the iCruse doesn't display negative values for DAC V, c) my
iCruse is faulty. I've pretty much run out of ideas on this one, so any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

David Bobbett, Milton Keynes, UK.





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Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-18 Thread Didier Juges
there doesn't seem to be any logical reason why the DAC data would be any 
different.

That is the kind of thinking I do often, and usually end up kicking myself in 
the butt later for :)

It could be that the serial data is corrupted during the transmission of the 
DAC value because of a particular bit pattern. It is not like the *design* of 
the RS-232 converter is bullet-proof... I had a very similar problem here at 
work just a week ago for the exact same reason (cheap RS-485 to RS-232 
converter messed up one particular type of message, but worked well for over a 
year prior to that)

I have nothing else to offer, nobody else has reported this problem, and as I 
pointed out earlier, the code is basically the same that is displaying the 
temperature.

Another possibility is that the chip's firmware may be corrupted, in which case 
it may need to be reflashed.

Other than that, I don't know.

When facing something apparently illogical, do not exclude possible causes 
simply because they are improbable... If the solution were where you expected 
it, it would be already fixed, and if there were no problem, we would not be 
having that conversation :) Look under all the stones, not just those that look 
to be about the right size.

Didier

 
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things...

-Original Message-
From: David Bobbett d.bobb...@tiscali.co.uk
Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:03:22 
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com
Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

  Hi Didier,

No - the display reads DAC V: 0. on the iCruse LCD, all the other 
data (including temperature) displays normally and correctly. So it is 
only that part of the data which doesn't seem to be decoded and 
displayed correctly. The really odd thing is that the DAC V value can be 
seen in Tboltmon.exe, although I realise that that particular program 
also sends data to the Tbolt, which the iCruse does not.

The reference to the RS232 resistors was in the context of the 
discussions regarding whether the values in the iCruse are correct -  
but of course if all the other data is being received correctly, there 
doesn't seem to be any logical reason why the DAC data would be any 
different.


Thanks for the reply, but I'm still puzzled!


David, G4IRQ





On 18/08/2010 12:33, Didier Juges wrote:
 When you say will not display the DAC V value, do you mean the display is
 blank, or it displays garbage?

 Interestingly, the code that displays temperature and DAC voltage is
 essentially the same, the only difference being which part of the data
 string received from the Thunderbolt is processed, so it is hard to imagine
 why one would work and not the other, unless the data received from the TB
 is corrupted in the part that should contain the DAV value, and the
 conversion routine fails.

 If you have doubts that the serial interface may not be working (I am not
 sure about what missing resistor you are talking about), fix that first and
 try again.

 Looking at the serial stream with a scope may help diagnose such problem.

 Didier KO4BB

 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
 Behalf Of David Bobbett
 Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:23 AM
 To: time-nuts@febo.com
 Subject: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

Hi all,

 Having struggled in vain to solve this problem, I thought I  would make a
 plea for help as my first posting to Time Nuts . . . so here goes!

 I have a Tbolt with v3.00 firmware which works fine with the Tboltmon.exe
 V2.60 and Lady Heather software. It also works fine with the iCruse Tbolt
 LCD monitor - except that the monitor will not display the DAC V value,
 all the other values are displayed without a problem.
 The iCruse is the later version which has had the PIC voltage conversion
 done, but not the RS232 input resistor mods.


 I have two questions really:

 1) Is there a setting which I need to change in my Tbolt using Tboltmon.exe
 to get this to work?

 2) Does anybody on Time Nuts have an iCruse which shows a negative value for
 the DAC V?


 As far as I can see, there are 3 options: a) there is a configuration
 problem, b) the iCruse doesn't display negative values for DAC V, c) my
 iCruse is faulty. I've pretty much run out of ideas on this one, so any
 suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

 Regards,

 David Bobbett, Milton Keynes, UK.





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Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-18 Thread Brooke Clarke

Hi David:

What power supply voltage are you using?
http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#iCruze

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com


David Bobbett wrote:

 Hi Didier,

No - the display reads DAC V: 0. on the iCruse LCD, all the 
other data (including temperature) displays normally and correctly. So 
it is only that part of the data which doesn't seem to be decoded and 
displayed correctly. The really odd thing is that the DAC V value can 
be seen in Tboltmon.exe, although I realise that that particular 
program also sends data to the Tbolt, which the iCruse does not.


The reference to the RS232 resistors was in the context of the 
discussions regarding whether the values in the iCruse are correct -  
but of course if all the other data is being received correctly, there 
doesn't seem to be any logical reason why the DAC data would be any 
different.



Thanks for the reply, but I'm still puzzled!


David, G4IRQ





On 18/08/2010 12:33, Didier Juges wrote:
When you say will not display the DAC V value, do you mean the 
display is

blank, or it displays garbage?

Interestingly, the code that displays temperature and DAC voltage is
essentially the same, the only difference being which part of the data
string received from the Thunderbolt is processed, so it is hard to 
imagine
why one would work and not the other, unless the data received from 
the TB

is corrupted in the part that should contain the DAV value, and the
conversion routine fails.

If you have doubts that the serial interface may not be working (I am 
not
sure about what missing resistor you are talking about), fix that 
first and

try again.

Looking at the serial stream with a scope may help diagnose such 
problem.


Didier KO4BB

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of David Bobbett
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:23 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

   Hi all,

Having struggled in vain to solve this problem, I thought I  would 
make a

plea for help as my first posting to Time Nuts . . . so here goes!

I have a Tbolt with v3.00 firmware which works fine with the 
Tboltmon.exe
V2.60 and Lady Heather software. It also works fine with the iCruse 
Tbolt
LCD monitor - except that the monitor will not display the DAC V 
value,

all the other values are displayed without a problem.
The iCruse is the later version which has had the PIC voltage conversion
done, but not the RS232 input resistor mods.


I have two questions really:

1) Is there a setting which I need to change in my Tbolt using 
Tboltmon.exe

to get this to work?

2) Does anybody on Time Nuts have an iCruse which shows a negative 
value for

the DAC V?


As far as I can see, there are 3 options: a) there is a configuration
problem, b) the iCruse doesn't display negative values for DAC V, c) my
iCruse is faulty. I've pretty much run out of ideas on this one, so any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

David Bobbett, Milton Keynes, UK.





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[time-nuts] Need PICTIC II PIC

2010-08-18 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
Now that Dan Schultz has kindly provided me with the elusive 74AC175PC, I
still need a programmed PIC for the PICTIC II.  Is there are thread where
we're gathering together for another kind soul to distribute them?

Leigh.



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[time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

2010-08-18 Thread k6rtm
Just received my well used 58532A GPS antenna; the pipe mount arrived 
yesterday. 

I've looked at available documentation on the WWWeb and haven't found an answer 
-- 

what size hardware do you use for the antenna? 

I know that the answer is NOT 10-32! That's what's on the pipe mount, and those 
are too big. 

Is this thing metric? I don't have access to a lot of hardware right now to 
check. If it's possibly metric, I'm better off going to a different hardware 
store than if it's American sizes. 

Many thanks! 

K6RTM Bob in Silicon Valley 
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Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

2010-08-18 Thread jmfranke
The data sheets have every dimension in metric terms.  The two set screw are 
4mm.  I believe the four other screws are most probably metric.


John  WA4WDL

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From: k6...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:22 PM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS 
antenna?


Just received my well used 58532A GPS antenna; the pipe mount arrived 
yesterday.


I've looked at available documentation on the WWWeb and haven't found an 
answer -- 


what size hardware do you use for the antenna?

I know that the answer is NOT 10-32! That's what's on the pipe mount, and 
those are too big.


Is this thing metric? I don't have access to a lot of hardware right now 
to check. If it's possibly metric, I'm better off going to a different 
hardware store than if it's American sizes.


Many thanks!

K6RTM Bob in Silicon Valley
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[time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread Bob Bownes
At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if you
buy an HP 5328a/b with option 010, it comes with either a 10811 or a
10544 inside.

Alone, these tend to command $80-$125 while working 5328a's with
option 010 can be had for as low as $10+$20 shipping. Patience will
turn up one with HPIB as well.

And there is enough room inside for a GPS discipline card or a t'bolt.

Just an observation. :)

Bob
KI2L

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Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread K. Szeker
Hi Bob,

Yes its so, but some selling  peoples are informed too (:-()  they
dont wish to sell it so cheap if the mentioned Opt.10 is built in_ and
the price will be more higher!
On eBay you will find often alone the mentioned oscillators for
$100-120,-. In all cases, its possible to find good prices with the
good quality oscillators_I have one received below $ 100 too, but we
must ask explicit for the existence of these oscillators in the
announced Counters...

Karesz

2010/8/18 Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com:
 At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if you
 buy an HP 5328a/b with option 010, it comes with either a 10811 or a
 10544 inside.

 Alone, these tend to command $80-$125 while working 5328a's with
 option 010 can be had for as low as $10+$20 shipping. Patience will
 turn up one with HPIB as well.

 And there is enough room inside for a GPS discipline card or a t'bolt.

 Just an observation. :)

 Bob
 KI2L

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[time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-18 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Will place order in the next few days please email me with any suggested 
changes 
to the mixer or DDS boards.

Stanley




From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy

Any interest in boards at 8 USD each as before ?

The project would require 2 or 3 pictic boards, 2 mixer boards, and 1 DDS 
board. 



5 boards plus shipping about 47.50 usd

Please email me off list with your interest.

I not sure if using the pictic II vs I board will present problems for the 
software.

Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards before I 
place 

the order.

Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other parts for them.

Stanley
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Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread Pete Lancashire
and dont forget to add the cost of shipping, if across the country plus
'handling' costs, you have added $20-50. Sometime just paying the
$100 or so for the 10811 that is returnable .. just another point.

-pete

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM, K. Szeker szeke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Bob,

 Yes its so, but some selling  peoples are informed too (:-()  they
 dont wish to sell it so cheap if the mentioned Opt.10 is built in_ and
 the price will be more higher!
 On eBay you will find often alone the mentioned oscillators for
 $100-120,-. In all cases, its possible to find good prices with the
 good quality oscillators_I have one received below $ 100 too, but we
 must ask explicit for the existence of these oscillators in the
 announced Counters...

 Karesz

 2010/8/18 Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com:
 At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if you
 buy an HP 5328a/b with option 010, it comes with either a 10811 or a
 10544 inside.

 Alone, these tend to command $80-$125 while working 5328a's with
 option 010 can be had for as low as $10+$20 shipping. Patience will
 turn up one with HPIB as well.

 And there is enough room inside for a GPS discipline card or a t'bolt.

 Just an observation. :)

 Bob
 KI2L

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Re: [time-nuts] Need PICTIC II PIC

2010-08-18 Thread Robert Darlington
Yep, I'm taking orders right now.  $10 for the first one, $2.50 for each
additional one, shipped anywhere in the continental USA.  Paypal me at
rdarling...@gmail.com.   Search back through the list for the announcement
from last Friday or Saturday night for details including when I'm going to
stop taking orders and place the chip order with Mouser (or Digikey, or
whomever has them in stock).

-Bob
N3XKB

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU 
le...@wa5znu.org wrote:

 Now that Dan Schultz has kindly provided me with the elusive 74AC175PC, I
 still need a programmed PIC for the PICTIC II.  Is there are thread where
 we're gathering together for another kind soul to distribute them?

 Leigh.



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Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread Brian Kirby
Fair Radio Sales have these units at a consistent price...Look on the 
test equipment page for frequency counters - I believe they are at the 
bottom of the page.


Brian - KD4FM

On 8/18/2010 3:19 PM, Bob Bownes wrote:

At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if you
buy an HP 5328a/b with option 010, it comes with either a 10811 or a
10544 inside.

Alone, these tend to command $80-$125 while working 5328a's with
option 010 can be had for as low as $10+$20 shipping. Patience will
turn up one with HPIB as well.

And there is enough room inside for a GPS discipline card or a t'bolt.

Just an observation. :)

Bob
KI2L

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Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread Dave M

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:21:20 -0500
From: Brian Kirby kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com


Fair Radio Sales have these units at a consistent price...Look on the
test equipment page for frequency counters - I believe they are at the
bottom of the page.

Brian - KD4FM

On 8/18/2010 3:19 PM, Bob Bownes wrote:

At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if
you
buy an HP 5328a/b with option 010, it comes with either a 10811 or a
10544 inside.

Alone, these tend to command $80-$125 while working 5328a's with
option 010 can be had for as low as $10+$20 shipping. Patience will
turn up one with HPIB as well.

And there is enough room inside for a GPS discipline card or a
t'bolt.

Just an observation. :)

Bob
KI2L


Fair Radio's price for the HP5328A is a bit excessive, especially since they 
say REPAIRABLE (meaning that something doesn't work, but, supposedly, can be 
fixed).
They have both the 10811 and 10544A for sale separately from the counters. 
The 10811 is $89.00 each and the 10544A is $69.00 each.  Fair gurantees that 
they have output.


David
dgminala at mediacombb dot net




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[time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Melia
Hi I have just acquired a couple of GPS receiver pcbs, ex Telcoms equipment.
I know a lot of htese poards were discussed so time ago on the group. Does
anyone recognise what they are and could point me at some intrormations
please.
I am afraid the flash has washed the the pics out a bit but hopefully there
is enough detail to be recognised
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Trimble_top.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Trimble_lower.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Synergy_top.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Synergy_lower.JPG

The Trimble pcb is 2.6 by 1.25in., and the Synergy is 3.15 by 1.6 in.

Thanks
Alan
G3NYK


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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

I sort of assumed this group was more likely to be brushing up on tech than on 
English Lit.

One other thing some outfits check - they will only email the activation codes 
to an account at the school you claim to attend.

Bob



On Aug 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, jimlux jim...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Bob Camp wrote:
 Hi
 Continuing education at the local community collage is your friend. Do it 
 online and you don't even spend gas money.
 Bob
 
 Not always.. e.g. Matlab says: The product is solely for use in connection 
 with courses offered at degree-granting institutions, either by students 
 working toward a degree, or by continuing education students. They are not 
 for personal, professional, or commercial use.
 
 
 and they do check ID
 Proof of student status is documentation that confirms that you are currently 
 a student enrolled in a degree-granting institution. To successfully 
 authenticate as a student, you must provide us with acceptable proof of 
 student status by uploading a digital copy of any one of these documents:
 
 
 I doubt that they'd call the school to see if you're taking a class that 
 actually could use matlab (Aha, we see you're taking 17th century English 
 literature, how ARE you using Matlab in that?  Why, I'm using it to do 
 statistical analysis on the works allegedly written by Shakespeare to 
 determine the actual author.)
 
 
 So, you'd be splitting hairs a bit... (not likely that the mathworks police 
 are coming after you)
 
 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

2010-08-18 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Synergy Motorola info here : 
http://www.wa5rrn.com/GPS%20Other/Motorola%20M12/5vltb.pdf
UT+ Oncore R5xxxU Customer Specials 
 
trimble resolution t
http://trl.trimble.com/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-183796/13441+Resolution+FA2.pdf

http://www.dpie.com/manuals/gps/trimble/ResolutionT_072408.pdf
 
 
Stanley



From: Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com
To: Time-Nuts measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 6:07:20 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

Hi I have just acquired a couple of GPS receiver pcbs, ex Telcoms equipment.
I know a lot of htese poards were discussed so time ago on the group. Does
anyone recognise what they are and could point me at some intrormations
please.
I am afraid the flash has washed the the pics out a bit but hopefully there
is enough detail to be recognised
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Trimble_top.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Trimble_lower.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Synergy_top.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Synergy_lower.JPG

The Trimble pcb is 2.6 by 1.25in., and the Synergy is 3.15 by 1.6 in.

Thanks
Alan
G3NYK


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Re: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

2010-08-18 Thread Didier Juges
Alan,

You may want to compare to those:
http://www.ko4bb.com/Timing/GPS_Pics/

If they do not match and you eventually find out what they are, please let me 
know and I will add them to my collection.

That goes for anybody who has identified, clear pictures of GPS receiver 
boards, both sides preferably.

Thanks in advance,

Didier KO4BB

 
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Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:07:20 
To: Time-Nuts measurementtime-nuts@febo.com
Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

Hi I have just acquired a couple of GPS receiver pcbs, ex Telcoms equipment.
I know a lot of htese poards were discussed so time ago on the group. Does
anyone recognise what they are and could point me at some intrormations
please.
I am afraid the flash has washed the the pics out a bit but hopefully there
is enough detail to be recognised
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Trimble_top.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Trimble_lower.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Synergy_top.JPG
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/GPS/Synergy_lower.JPG

The Trimble pcb is 2.6 by 1.25in., and the Synergy is 3.15 by 1.6 in.

Thanks
Alan
G3NYK


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Re: [time-nuts] Need PICTIC II PIC

2010-08-18 Thread Don Latham
Hi Robert and all:
Jameco has 16F688 pics, Arrow has the 74AC175P (1200 in stock @$ 0.43)
and will ship small orders.
Don

Robert Darlington
 Yep, I'm taking orders right now.  $10 for the first one, $2.50 for each
 additional one, shipped anywhere in the continental USA.  Paypal me at
 rdarling...@gmail.com.   Search back through the list for the announcement
 from last Friday or Saturday night for details including when I'm going to
 stop taking orders and place the chip order with Mouser (or Digikey, or
 whomever has them in stock).

 -Bob
 N3XKB

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU 
 le...@wa5znu.org wrote:

 Now that Dan Schultz has kindly provided me with the elusive 74AC175PC,
 I
 still need a programmed PIC for the PICTIC II.  Is there are thread
 where
 we're gathering together for another kind soul to distribute them?

 Leigh.



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Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

2010-08-18 Thread Didier Juges
You may want to chec the manual, it's on my web site.

Didier KO4BB
www.ko4bb.com

 
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:22:32 
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time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

Just received my well used 58532A GPS antenna; the pipe mount arrived 
yesterday. 

I've looked at available documentation on the WWWeb and haven't found an answer 
-- 

what size hardware do you use for the antenna? 

I know that the answer is NOT 10-32! That's what's on the pipe mount, and those 
are too big. 

Is this thing metric? I don't have access to a lot of hardware right now to 
check. If it's possibly metric, I'm better off going to a different hardware 
store than if it's American sizes. 

Many thanks! 

K6RTM Bob in Silicon Valley 
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Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-18 Thread Heathkid

Stanley,

I'm not getting *any* emails from you privately.  So, can you please confirm 
I'm on the list for a set of boards for this project (expanded system)? 
Also, is anyone stepping up for the PIC programming?  Also, for some of the 
more expensive or harder to get components... would anyone be willing to do 
a group purchase?


Thanks!

73 Brice KA8MAV

- Original Message - 
From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
time-nuts@febo.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update


Will place order in the next few days please email me with any suggested 
changes

to the mixer or DDS boards.

Stanley




From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy

Any interest in boards at 8 USD each as before ?

The project would require 2 or 3 pictic boards, 2 mixer boards, and 1 DDS 
board.




5 boards plus shipping about 47.50 usd

Please email me off list with your interest.

I not sure if using the pictic II vs I board will present problems for the
software.

Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards before I 
place


the order.

Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other parts for 
them.


Stanley
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[time-nuts] PICTIC II no interpolator as used in the small DMDT

2010-08-18 Thread Stanley Reynolds
The small DMDT uses no interpolator and a 50 Mhz derived from the 10Mhz 
reference

Software just use the counter value or Interpolator gain 0

Hardware looking at page 2 of the schmatic all you need is C1,C2,C3 and U1 on 
that page
do not install:
 
U3,U5,U8,U10
R1 - R23
C5,7,10,11,12,13,14,19,20,21
Q1,Q2
D1 - D10


page 1 do not install:
U2
C4

Stanley
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Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-18 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Yes you are on the list.

Stanley





From: Heathkid heath...@heathkid.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 8:41:45 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

Stanley,

I'm not getting *any* emails from you privately.  So, can you please confirm 
I'm 
on the list for a set of boards for this project (expanded system)? Also, is 
anyone stepping up for the PIC programming?  Also, for some of the more 
expensive or harder to get components... would anyone be willing to do a group 
purchase?

Thanks!

73 Brice KA8MAV

- Original Message - From: Stanley Reynolds 
stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update


Will place order in the next few days please email me with any suggested changes
to the mixer or DDS boards.

Stanley




From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy

Any interest in boards at 8 USD each as before ?

The project would require 2 or 3 pictic boards, 2 mixer boards, and 1 DDS board.



5 boards plus shipping about 47.50 usd

Please email me off list with your interest.

I not sure if using the pictic II vs I board will present problems for the
software.

Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards before I place

the order.

Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other parts for them.

Stanley
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Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

2010-08-18 Thread Flemming Larsen
M4 x 0.7
 
-- FL


--- Den ons 18/8/10 skrev Didier Juges did...@cox.net:


Fra: Didier Juges did...@cox.net
Emne: Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?
Til: Time-Nuts time-nuts@febo.com
Dato: onsdag 18. august 2010 17.36


You may want to chec the manual, it's on my web site.

Didier KO4BB
www.ko4bb.com

 
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:22:32 
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    time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

Just received my well used 58532A GPS antenna; the pipe mount arrived 
yesterday. 

I've looked at available documentation on the WWWeb and haven't found an answer 
-- 

what size hardware do you use for the antenna? 

I know that the answer is NOT 10-32! That's what's on the pipe mount, and those 
are too big. 

Is this thing metric? I don't have access to a lot of hardware right now to 
check. If it's possibly metric, I'm better off going to a different hardware 
store than if it's American sizes. 

Many thanks! 

K6RTM Bob in Silicon Valley 
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Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?

2010-08-18 Thread Flemming Larsen
The original screws are about 15.5 mm long and are threaded on the first 6 mm 
approx.
The shank is thinner the rest of the way, approx. 3mm, so you can undo those 
screws
and not loose them. I beleive they are called captive screws. If your base is 
threaded
for M4, you may want to drill the holes out to 4 mm to eliminate the threads.
 
-- FL

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Fra: k6...@comcast.net k6...@comcast.net
Emne: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna?
Til: time-nuts@febo.com
Dato: onsdag 18. august 2010 12.22


Just received my well used 58532A GPS antenna; the pipe mount arrived 
yesterday. 

I've looked at available documentation on the WWWeb and haven't found an answer 
-- 

what size hardware do you use for the antenna? 

I know that the answer is NOT 10-32! That's what's on the pipe mount, and those 
are too big. 

Is this thing metric? I don't have access to a lot of hardware right now to 
check. If it's possibly metric, I'm better off going to a different hardware 
store than if it's American sizes. 

Many thanks! 

K6RTM Bob in Silicon Valley 
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Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread J. L. Trantham
Same thing is true for the 5334B with Option 010 though you may have to wait
quite a while for one with a good price.  It is a 10811 for the 5334B.

Joe

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Behalf Of Bob Bownes
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:19 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's


At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if you buy
an HP 5328a/b with option 010, it comes with either a 10811 or a 10544
inside.

Alone, these tend to command $80-$125 while working 5328a's with option 010
can be had for as low as $10+$20 shipping. Patience will turn up one with
HPIB as well.

And there is enough room inside for a GPS discipline card or a t'bolt.

Just an observation. :)

Bob
KI2L

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Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-18 Thread Eric Garner
Just to be clear, the ~48 dollar total includes all of the required  
boards( minus components) needed to make the dmtd setup work?


Thanks,
Eric

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On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:


Will place order in the next few days please email me with any  
suggested changes

to the mixer or DDS boards.

Stanley




From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy

Any interest in boards at 8 USD each as before ?

The project would require 2 or 3 pictic boards, 2 mixer boards, and  
1 DDS board.




5 boards plus shipping about 47.50 usd

Please email me off list with your interest.

I not sure if using the pictic II vs I board will present problems  
for the

software.

Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards  
before I place


the order.

Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other  
parts for them.


Stanley
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Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-18 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Just boards, 5 times 9.00 = $45 mailed payment  $47.5 Paypal 
two pictic, one DDS board, two mixer boards, note the PDF talks about a 3rd 
pictic as an option.

If you had another offset source no need for the DDS board. If you have Time 
interval counters that are interfaced to a computer then no need for the PicTic 
boards. Guess you could use the DDS board for other projects also.

Each mixer board has two identical channels so it would be possible to use just 
one in some applications.

I 'm offering the boards in any combination.

Stanley





From: Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 10:58:36 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

Just to be clear, the ~48 dollar total includes all of the required boards( 
minus components) needed to make the dmtd setup work?

Thanks,
Eric

Sent from my Banana Jr. mobile device

On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 Will place order in the next few days please email me with any suggested 
changes
 to the mixer or DDS boards.
 
 Stanley
 
 
 
 
 From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
 To: time-nuts@febo.com
 Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
 Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy
 
 Any interest in boards at 8 USD each as before ?
 
 The project would require 2 or 3 pictic boards, 2 mixer boards, and 1 DDS 
board.
 
 
 
 5 boards plus shipping about 47.50 usd
 
 Please email me off list with your interest.
 
 I not sure if using the pictic II vs I board will present problems for the
 software.
 
 Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards before I 
place
 
 the order.
 
 Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other parts for 
them.
 
 Stanley
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Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-18 Thread Heathkid

Stanley,

Are you ready to accept payments for these now or are you still working out 
the details?  I would want the 3rd PICTIC II option for the expanded DMTD.


73 Brice KA8MAV

- Original Message - 
From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
time-nuts@febo.com

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update


Just boards, 5 times 9.00 = $45 mailed payment $47.5 Paypal
two pictic, one DDS board, two mixer boards, note the PDF talks about a 3rd
pictic as an option.

If you had another offset source no need for the DDS board. If you have Time
interval counters that are interfaced to a computer then no need for the 
PicTic

boards. Guess you could use the DDS board for other projects also.

Each mixer board has two identical channels so it would be possible to use 
just

one in some applications.

I 'm offering the boards in any combination.

Stanley





From: Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
time-nuts@febo.com

Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 10:58:36 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

Just to be clear, the ~48 dollar total includes all of the required boards(
minus components) needed to make the dmtd setup work?

Thanks,
Eric

Sent from my Banana Jr. mobile device

On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
wrote:


Will place order in the next few days please email me with any suggested
changes
to the mixer or DDS boards.

Stanley




From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy

Any interest in boards at 8 USD each as before ?

The project would require 2 or 3 pictic boards, 2 mixer boards, and 1 DDS
board.



5 boards plus shipping about 47.50 usd

Please email me off list with your interest.

I not sure if using the pictic II vs I board will present problems for the
software.

Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards before I
place

the order.

Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other parts for
them.

Stanley
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Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna -- M4 x 0.7?

2010-08-18 Thread k6rtm
Fleming-- 

Many thanks! While waiting for a backup to complete, I dug out the traditional 
box of unsorted hardware each of us probably has. Rummaging through the box 
turned up four very pretty torx-headed stainless screws the proper size and 
length. They're not quite captive in the new mount, but the gasket holds them 
in place. I'm going to dig through the box for more; I'd rather have extras in 
my kit when I'm up on the roof, as one is certain to try and escape on me! 

For those looking for the answer later on, the 58532A GPS antenna uses M4 x 0.7 
screws. 

Didier -- I didn't spot that detail in the HP/Symmetricom manuals available on 
the net. They only show the assemblies. 

73 de Bob K6RTM in Silicon Valley 
-- 

Message: 3 
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 02:07:30 + (GMT) 
From: Flemming Larsen oz...@yahoo.dk 
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A 
GPS antenna? 
To: did...@cox.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency 
measurement time-nuts@febo.com 
Message-ID: 407300.16717...@web24806.mail.ird.yahoo.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 

M4 x 0.7 
? 
-- FL 


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Fra: Didier Juges did...@cox.net 
Emne: Re: [time-nuts] Mounting hardware for HP/Symmetricom 58532A GPS antenna? 
Til: Time-Nuts time-nuts@febo.com 
Dato: onsdag 18. august 2010 17.36 


You may want to chec the manual, it's on my web site. 

Didier KO4BB 
www.ko4bb.com 

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