Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-13 Thread Javier Herrero

El 13/01/2012 04:57, brent evers escribió:


Hijacked thread.  Yes - this would be great to see done on a linux
machine.  I don't know that much about LH, but something done cross
platform (PyQt or such - could make binaries for win, linux, and mac)
in a  server/client config would be great.  I don't know much about
NTP other than pointing machines to NTP servers for time, but having
the server side provide also be an NTP server would be the cats ass
for me.  Pretty big wish list for someone who can't write code out of
a wet paper bag huh?

It would be nice, but if no graphic i/f is used for the server side, I 
think it would be better to implement it in standard C instead of PyQt, 
for portability reasons, so the server could be easily rebuilt for 
running in a non-PC class embedded linux computer (like those using ARM)


For providing ntp, probably the best way is to use ntp :) As far as I 
remember, since I've not played around it since some time, the LinuxPPS 
driver is implemented as a character driver, so several applications can 
read it, and as other has pointed, ntp i/f to the GPS can be implemented 
using shmem. ntp can also be recompiled for running in almost anything 
(I've put it into work both in Nios-II uClinux-MMU and Blackfin 
uClinux-nonMMU, also taking time from an M12 using Linux-PPS)


Best regards,

Javier

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-13 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU

On 01/13/2012 01:22 AM, Javier Herrero wrote:


For providing ntp, probably the best way is to use ntp :)


Ralph Smith did a good integration for BSD NTP.  I patched it and wrote 
some startup and monitoring scripts for it for Ubuntu.


See  http://wa5znu.org/2011/08/tbolt/

I run Heather under Wine with some flags and make it talk to the server; 
that cuts way down on the CPU time that LH would otherwise use in its 
tight loops.


Leigh/WA5ZNU

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Gottlieb

Alright, I took the plunge and got a Thunderbolt and installed Lady Heather 
3.00.

So, it first didn't seem to want to grab satellites, probably because it had a 
position set in it of 23.1019557 113.2662616 which looks to be a tall building 
in China.  I used Google Earth to get a lat/long which was as accurate as I 
could make it and put those in.  That gained me 4 good and 4 marginal satellites 
and phase lock.


What should I do next?  Should I have it do its own survey?  Do I need to change 
any settings from default?  Do those readings, or some others, tell me when I'm 
fully up and synchronized?  Is there a faq on how to do this that someone could 
point me to?


Any help would be much appreciated!
Peter



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-12 Thread Chris Albertson
For normal use all you need to do is apply power.  You don't need to
connect a computer at all.  The t-bolt will figure out it's location
and be up and running in maybe an hour.

LH is for the next step where you care about fine running.  Now it's
maybe better to just let it run

Sounds like you might have a marginal antenna.  It really does need a
good view of the sky and the self survey is not useful if the antenna
can move, so at least duct tape it down.  A mast is better.

Have to read the Thunderbolt book
http://www.trimble.com/support_trl.asp?pt=Thunderbolt®%20GPS%20Disciplined%20ClockNav=Collection-2357
the monitor program at the above link is less complex and a good way
to get started.


Now,  to hijack this thread.   Do people think a server version of
LH that does NOT need Windows would be usefull.  Sames a water to have
to find a Windows PC just for this one task.   The server could run on
a very low-power computer and push data onto the network.   For
example I have the t-bolt running an NTP server and I'd like to run
the LH server on the same computer


On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:
 Alright, I took the plunge and got a Thunderbolt and installed Lady Heather
 3.00.

 So, it first didn't seem to want to grab satellites, probably because it had
 a position set in it of 23.1019557 113.2662616 which looks to be a tall
 building in China.  I used Google Earth to get a lat/long which was as
 accurate as I could make it and put those in.  That gained me 4 good and 4
 marginal satellites and phase lock.

 What should I do next?  Should I have it do its own survey?  Do I need to
 change any settings from default?  Do those readings, or some others, tell
 me when I'm fully up and synchronized?  Is there a faq on how to do this
 that someone could point me to?

 Any help would be much appreciated!
 Peter



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-12 Thread brent evers
To original poster - go to bed, let it sit and see what you have
tomorrow.  Chances are it will be locked on 8 birds and settled down.
I found the KE5FX remote link very useful as a reference system in
learning about LH.  I think I hosed up that machine pretty good in the
learning process too (sorry to all).

Hijacked thread.  Yes - this would be great to see done on a linux
machine.  I don't know that much about LH, but something done cross
platform (PyQt or such - could make binaries for win, linux, and mac)
in a  server/client config would be great.  I don't know much about
NTP other than pointing machines to NTP servers for time, but having
the server side provide also be an NTP server would be the cats ass
for me.  Pretty big wish list for someone who can't write code out of
a wet paper bag huh?

Brent

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Chris Albertson
albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
 For normal use all you need to do is apply power.  You don't need to
 connect a computer at all.  The t-bolt will figure out it's location
 and be up and running in maybe an hour.

 LH is for the next step where you care about fine running.  Now it's
 maybe better to just let it run

 Sounds like you might have a marginal antenna.  It really does need a
 good view of the sky and the self survey is not useful if the antenna
 can move, so at least duct tape it down.  A mast is better.

 Have to read the Thunderbolt book
 http://www.trimble.com/support_trl.asp?pt=Thunderbolt®%20GPS%20Disciplined%20ClockNav=Collection-2357
 the monitor program at the above link is less complex and a good way
 to get started.


 Now,  to hijack this thread.   Do people think a server version of
 LH that does NOT need Windows would be usefull.  Sames a water to have
 to find a Windows PC just for this one task.   The server could run on
 a very low-power computer and push data onto the network.   For
 example I have the t-bolt running an NTP server and I'd like to run
 the LH server on the same computer


 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:
 Alright, I took the plunge and got a Thunderbolt and installed Lady Heather
 3.00.

 So, it first didn't seem to want to grab satellites, probably because it had
 a position set in it of 23.1019557 113.2662616 which looks to be a tall
 building in China.  I used Google Earth to get a lat/long which was as
 accurate as I could make it and put those in.  That gained me 4 good and 4
 marginal satellites and phase lock.

 What should I do next?  Should I have it do its own survey?  Do I need to
 change any settings from default?  Do those readings, or some others, tell
 me when I'm fully up and synchronized?  Is there a faq on how to do this
 that someone could point me to?

 Any help would be much appreciated!
 Peter



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-12 Thread Hal Murray

brent.ev...@gmail.com said:
 I don't know much about NTP other than pointing machines to NTP servers for
 time, but having the server side provide also be an NTP server would be the
 cats ass for me.

I think the way to do that would be to make LH use the shared-memory 
interface to NTP.  (Contact me off list if anybody wants more info.  Or look 
at the gpsd sources.)

Or maybe setup NTP to watch the PPS API too.  I'm not sure what happens if 2 
programs are both reading the PPS API and/or if that's what LH uses so this 
could be a wild goose chase.




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