[tips] Random Thought: Our Stories About Students
I was just reading a message from a professor at a mid-western university who was belittling students by making fun of their silly bloopers. And I thought: the stories we tell about students reveal who we are, who we believe they are, and the nature of our relationships with them. Make it a good day. --Louis-- Louis Schmier http://www.therandomthoughts.com Department of History http://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.org Valdosta State University Valdosta, Georgia 31698 /\ /\ /\ /\ (229-333-5947) /^\\/ \/ \ /\/\__/\ \/\ / \/ \_ \/ / \/ /\/ \ /\ //\/\/ /\ \__/__/_/\_\ \_/__\ /\If you want to climb mountains,\ /\ _ / \ don't practice on mole hills - --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE:[tips] Learning and Behavior
Hi Marc, I have used Frieman's Learning and Adaptive Behavior to accompany Sniffy. He actually has a supplement to talks about how Sniffy is used in each Chapter and Sniffy assignments to accompany the chapters. Granted he was my graduate advisor and so I may be a bit partial, but it is a really good book. It can be somewhat advanced at times, but my undergraduates did okay. They complained about the level of difficulty, but I took it as a challenge, and a good one, in academic rigor. Nina Nina L. Tarner, Ph.D. Assistant Professor in Psychology HC 219 Department of Psychology Sacred Heart University Fairfield, CT. 06825 (203) 371-7915 (203) 371-7995 Fax From: Marc Carter [marc.car...@bakeru.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:24 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Learning and Behavior Hi, All -- I'm doing a class in Learning and Behavior next semester, and this time I'm going to use Sniffy (in the past it's been a real rat lab, but what with budgets and failing equipment, I'll only get one example rat and have them do exercises with Sniffy). Anyway, I want it to be a course that does not only the psychology of learning, but the philosophy of behaviorism. Sniffy learns fast, and I have a 3-hour lab, so we can move fairly quickly, and spend probably the last month of the semester doing more of the philosophical underpinnings. I want them to have a fairly deep understanding of both epistemological (methodological) and metaphysical behaviorism (umm, determinism). I'm wondering if someone out there has taught a similar course. I've read a bunch of Skinner and about-Skinner, but am just wondering what others have used in courses. I'm also interested in a text to supplement Sniffy (the learning in there doesn't go as deeply as I would like). So, ideas? I'll repay with reporting about how it goes... m -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Department of Psychology College of Arts Sciences Baker University -- The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by Baker University (BU) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify Baker University by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] What is Psychology?
IMHO.Psychology is the study of behavior all over the planet.And it makes no difference whether it is scientific or not. Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive
MANY good people have gone over to psychteach primarily because of the inappropriate behavior on this list, and we have lost their input on this list. I only had 3 replies to my 4 questions that were very legitimate, this week. I have no answer to one of the questions. Sigh. I am sad to have to cross post because historically I got great answers on this list without having to go through the review process over there. I don't know what the POD list does, since it is also not monitored in the same way psychteach is, but they certainly have serious people making serious contributions to discussions, and without flaming anyone (a problem I found on other lists). If this is not the straw to break the camel's back, Bill, then what will be egregious enough for you? Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:22:26 -0400 From: Britt, Michael michael.br...@thepsychfiles.com Subject: Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu I will add my vote of agreement to Ed and Don. These posts are inappropriate and waste everyone's precious time. If you can't keep your posts at a professional level then you don't belong on this list. Michael Britt mich...@thepsychfiles.com www.thepsychfiles.com On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Steven Specht wrote: I concur. I wouldn't allow this in my classroom for more than two sessions (it's disruptive... I don't see it as being related to free speech at this point). On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Don Allen wrote: Thanks Ed- I second the request. There has to be a limit to this inane trolling. Mischaracterizing people with mental illness does not belong on a listserve like TIPS. -Don. - Original Message - From: Ed Callen Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:26 pm Subject: RE: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Please, please, please Bill, TIPS moderator, see this as one last example of why this guy needs to be removed from this list. I know the current extinction strategy is in place, and I know Bill's comittment over the years to free speech, but there is no real value of this person to the teaching of psychology list, other than bringing up controversial issues to respond to. I have seen this and been part of this list since it began, and more good people have left the list because of him that have joined, and I have resisted responding, but there is so much good a list like this can do to have someone who has time on his hands ruin. We all know I think that his examples of questions A student asked me this... another faculty member did this... are all made up. We saw earlier that his adjunct status to a bunch of colleges was not true or exaggerated, so come on. We've got great people on this list with great minds and ideas, let's bring it to that level, rather than have it whither because of someone who is interested, imho, of reading his own posts and responses. This is the only list of its kind in our field, and I've hated to see it continue to deteriorate. From: michael sylvester [mailto:msylves...@copper.net] Sent: Tue 10/20/2009 6:59 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive I am trying to decide who I should have as a condo guest for the upcoming holiday season. If I get the schizophrenic,that person would probably look at the ocean for 8 hours and would not interrupt my day to day activities.On the other hand,if I get the manic-depressive,I would be forced to sing Handel's Messiah a couple of times and then imitate the hounds of Baskerville. Which one of these would generate more complaints from my Home owners association? Michaelomnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) Don Allen,
[tips] response to Ed Callen
Ed et al.,(I refuse to post this in response to M.S.'s original subject heading, so I've changed the subject.) I agree with everything you've said. I begged for eliminating M.S. last January - and before then as well. Since January's debacle, I have refused to respond to any of his bizarre, often childish, sometimes hurtful posts. No one on TIPS backed me up at that time, but I suspect that many just don't know how to address his posts. Michael's recent threat to bring a lawsuit against Frostburg U. (which, of course, is the source of TIPS) when Bill posted that he was dealing with the latest M.S. infringement was almost the last straw for me, as it must have been for Bill. I suspect that Bill's hands are tied without legal counsel. Who needs it??? I don't doubt that Bill feels he doesn't need the grief. I feel for our Bill. Bill posted that he was dealing with the chick name calling, and that is apparently what brought on the lawsuit threat. I despair. I suspect Bill does too. We all owe Bill such a debt of gratitude for all he has done for almost two decades to keep this heretofore wonderful list going. Thanks, Michael, for ruining it. Bill must be so glad he's near retirement and can wash his hands of this list. I, too, am so ready to leave TIPS, after over SIXTEEN years. Michael Sylvester has ruined it by posting idiotic, insulting, threatening, silly, childish posts which, sadly, sometimes take over TIPS because of wasted time responding to his nutty posts. Anyone who challenges him is insulted. Nancy Melucci's suggestion (to just ignore Michael's posts) has fallen mostly on deaf ears, as have earlier suggestions with the same theme. I'm prepared for M.S.'s acidic responses to this post. I can't begin to imagine what his motivation is to continue his clownishness. I'm just glad I'm not in Bill's shoes. I would have been heartbroken to have worked so hard to get a listserve of enthusiastic psychology instructors' ideas and ultimately been inundated with M.S.'s bizarre posts that challenge, and ruin, the spirit of TIPS. Please, Michael, say that you were just kidding, and are ready to enter TIPS posts in an academic, scholarly manner. We await your sincere response. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive
A rhetorical question... Would we let a 6th grader be a part of this list in the spirit of freedom of speech? I would hope not. On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:57 AM, tay...@sandiego.edu wrote: MANY good people have gone over to psychteach primarily because of the inappropriate behavior on this list, and we have lost their input on this list. I only had 3 replies to my 4 questions that were very legitimate, this week. I have no answer to one of the questions. Sigh. I am sad to have to cross post because historically I got great answers on this list without having to go through the review process over there. I don't know what the POD list does, since it is also not monitored in the same way psychteach is, but they certainly have serious people making serious contributions to discussions, and without flaming anyone (a problem I found on other lists). If this is not the straw to break the camel's back, Bill, then what will be egregious enough for you? Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:22:26 -0400 From: Britt, Michael michael.br...@thepsychfiles.com Subject: Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu I will add my vote of agreement to Ed and Don. These posts are inappropriate and waste everyone's precious time. If you can't keep your posts at a professional level then you don't belong on this list. Michael Britt mich...@thepsychfiles.com www.thepsychfiles.com On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Steven Specht wrote: I concur. I wouldn't allow this in my classroom for more than two sessions (it's disruptive... I don't see it as being related to free speech at this point). On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Don Allen wrote: Thanks Ed- I second the request. There has to be a limit to this inane trolling. Mischaracterizing people with mental illness does not belong on a listserve like TIPS. -Don. - Original Message - From: Ed Callen Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:26 pm Subject: RE: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Please, please, please Bill, TIPS moderator, see this as one last example of why this guy needs to be removed from this list. I know the current extinction strategy is in place, and I know Bill's comittment over the years to free speech, but there is no real value of this person to the teaching of psychology list, other than bringing up controversial issues to respond to. I have seen this and been part of this list since it began, and more good people have left the list because of him that have joined, and I have resisted responding, but there is so much good a list like this can do to have someone who has time on his hands ruin. We all know I think that his examples of questions A student asked me this... another faculty member did this... are all made up. We saw earlier that his adjunct status to a bunch of colleges was not true or exaggerated, so come on. We've got great people on this list with great minds and ideas, let's bring it to that level, rather than have it whither because of someone who is interested, imho, of reading his own posts and responses. This is the only list of its kind in our field, and I've hated to see it continue to deteriorate. From: michael sylvester [mailto:msylves...@copper.net] Sent: Tue 10/20/2009 6:59 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive I am trying to decide who I should have as a condo guest for the upcoming holiday season. If I get the schizophrenic,that person would probably look at the ocean for 8 hours and would not interrupt my day to day activities.On the other hand,if I get the manic-depressive,I would be forced to sing Handel's Messiah a couple of times and then imitate the hounds of Baskerville. Which one of these would generate more complaints from my Home owners association? Michaelomnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) Don Allen, Retired Formerly with: Dept. of Psychology Langara College 100 W. 49th Ave. Vancouver, B.C. Canada V5Y 2Z6 Phone: 604-733-0039 --- To
Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen
VERY nicely stated Beth. Thank you! And yes, Bill is owed a great debt of gratitude from all of us and I, too, feel so badly for him to have to deal with such unprofessional and childish nonsense. I support him and the other professionals on this list fully (I think I have been on for about 15 years). Hopeful that someone will get a life; amazed that some pathology results in being so oblivious; supportive of Bill. Cheers, -Steven On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Beth Benoit wrote: Ed et al., (I refuse to post this in response to M.S.'s original subject heading, so I've changed the subject.) I agree with everything you've said. I begged for eliminating M.S. last January - and before then as well. Since January's debacle, I have refused to respond to any of his bizarre, often childish, sometimes hurtful posts. No one on TIPS backed me up at that time, but I suspect that many just don't know how to address his posts. Michael's recent threat to bring a lawsuit against Frostburg U. (which, of course, is the source of TIPS) when Bill posted that he was dealing with the latest M.S. infringement was almost the last straw for me, as it must have been for Bill. I suspect that Bill's hands are tied without legal counsel. Who needs it??? I don't doubt that Bill feels he doesn't need the grief. I feel for our Bill. Bill posted that he was dealing with the chick name calling, and that is apparently what brought on the lawsuit threat. I despair. I suspect Bill does too. We all owe Bill such a debt of gratitude for all he has done for almost two decades to keep this heretofore wonderful list going. Thanks, Michael, for ruining it. Bill must be so glad he's near retirement and can wash his hands of this list. I, too, am so ready to leave TIPS, after over SIXTEEN years. Michael Sylvester has ruined it by posting idiotic, insulting, threatening, silly, childish posts which, sadly, sometimes take over TIPS because of wasted time responding to his nutty posts. Anyone who challenges him is insulted. Nancy Melucci's suggestion (to just ignore Michael's posts) has fallen mostly on deaf ears, as have earlier suggestions with the same theme. I'm prepared for M.S.'s acidic responses to this post. I can't begin to imagine what his motivation is to continue his clownishness. I'm just glad I'm not in Bill's shoes. I would have been heartbroken to have worked so hard to get a listserve of enthusiastic psychology instructors' ideas and ultimately been inundated with M.S.'s bizarre posts that challenge, and ruin, the spirit of TIPS. Please, Michael, say that you were just kidding, and are ready to enter TIPS posts in an academic, scholarly manner. We await your sincere response. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology Utica College Utica, NY 13502 (315) 792-3171 The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Martin Luther King Jr. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] Reclaiming TIPS
I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can. At present, I've adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 - 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail:csta...@uwf.edu mailto:csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen
I, too, have been on this list for 15 years, and I'm not going anywhere. This community has been too valuable to me. For those of you who lean toward public protests, I've set up a poll on the TIPS subscribers page (http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm ) where you are welcome to vote on whether M.S. should be retained or removed from TIPS. I'm not saying that the voting will have any impact one way or another, but raw numbers are easier to see, for everybody here, than speculation. For those who are more likely to protest in a less public manner, here again are the instructions for setting up filters in Outlook. If you use a different email system and would like assistance, you are welcome to email me off-list. Best, Sue From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Hi all, There's no need to leave the list because of one person. If you have Outlook, here's how you can use filters to delete messages before you even see them. 1. In the top menu, select Tools then Rules and Alerts. Select New Rule. In the Start from a blank rule section, choose Check messages when they arrive. Click Next. 2. Check the option, From people or distribution list. Notice that this has been added to the box at the bottom of the screen. In that box, click on people or distribution list. In the From box, type in the email address of the person you'd like to delete. 3. Click OK then Next. Now check Delete it. 4. Click Next, then add an exception if you'd like. Then Next again. Click Finish and you're done. If you'd like to delete replies to that person's messages, create a new rule like you did in step 1. In step 2, select with specific words in the body. In the box at the bottom of the screen, click specific words and type in the person's email address or name, depending on how much you want to filter. As long as people respond with the poster's header included in the email, the email address will filter that message out. If responders delete the header, then only the person's name will delete those messages. In any case, you'll have less to delete manually. As a side note, I use a filter to move TIPS and other listserv messages out of my inbox and into their own folders. I also have email messages sent just to me show up in a color other than black. That makes it easier to sort the wheat from the chaff. My best, Sue -- Sue Frantz http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/ Highline Community College Psychology, CoordinatorDes Moines, WA 206.878.3710 x3404 sfra...@highline.edu Office of Teaching Resources in Psychology, Associate Director Project Syllabus http://teachpsych.org/otrp/syllabi/syllabi.php APA Division 2: Society for the Teaching of Psychology http://teachpsych.org/otrp/syllabi/syllabi.php APA's p...@cc Committee http://www.apa.org/ed/pcue/ptatcchome.html --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] A request to Michael Sylvester, Ph.D
Dr. Sylvester, Your characterization of manic depression makes me think you've had little contact with anyone having a mental illness nor has any of your family been diagnosed with one and be thankful for that if it's true. On behalf of those I've worked with over the last 40 years, students, clients and patients who are mentally ill, have displayed none of the behaviors you describe and have done nothing to deserve to be treated in such a demeaning manner by you, I'm asking for an apology instead of your shout of a first amendment violation. No one, especially Bill, has denied you your right to post. The first amendment does say you cannot speak in an incendiary way (shouting fire where there is none) and has been upheld in internet cases. On the other hand, you have denied me my first amendment rights to the point I left the list because you couldn't stop attacking those on this list whom I respect deeply, leaving me feeling, why bother belonging to TIPS. I agree totally with my colleagues in this matter. You can't attack persons on this list which you have done in the past in a deliberate manner and not expect an eventual negative response. Even an old dog will eventually bite someone who teases them mercilessly. Jodi Estes Gabert Reed City High School, Retired Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] listserv policy
Hi All - For many years, I've been a loyal member of another intellectually stimulating and vibrant listserv (Society for a Science of Clinical Psychology, or SSCP) that was for several years experiencing somewhat similar problems - in our case, one or two members who kept posting e-mails that were very personally offensive and insulting (calling other members names, directly impugning their intelligence, making some factual assertions about other members that were potentially slanderous). In response to these developments, which led a number of good people to drop off of the listserv, the listerv ultimately adopted a policy by a vote of the membership. I have to confess that I was initially opposed to the policy and did not support it even as president of the organization, but I eventually become persuaded that it was necessary given that one member's behavior was so disruptive that it virtually held the listserv hostage at times. Moreover, as the policy notes, reasonable people can and will disagree about the boundaries of civility, but this person's verbal behavior was so far outside of these boundaries that it was not longer a matter of debate. You can find a PDF version of this policy at the very bottom of this link (I don't want to send the PDF attachment to the listserv given that it may clog up people's inboxes): http://sites.google.com/site/sscpwebsite/listserv Numbers 17 and 18 in particular explain how SSCP has handled this issue (only one member has thus far been expelled as a result of this policy, which has been in effect for a couple of years; he has expressed a desire to appeal but to my knowledge has thus far not done so). I should note that this policy has not impeded free and open discussion and debate on the listserv at all. There's still plenty of strong and vigorous disagreement (and at times it still becomes heated), but it is by and large respectful. In any case, I'm sending this link along in the event that a similar (although of course somewhat adapted) policy might prove helpful in this case. Scott Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D. Professor Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and Interdisciplinary Sciences (PAIS) Emory University 36 Eagle Row Atlanta, Georgia 30322 slil...@emory.edu (404) 727-1125 Psychology Today Blog: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist 50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in Mental Health Column: http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/ The Master in the Art of Living makes little distinction between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his recreation, his love and his intellectual passions. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To him - he is always doing both. - Zen Buddhist text (slightly modified) From: Steven Specht [mailto:sspe...@utica.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:11 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen VERY nicely stated Beth. Thank you! And yes, Bill is owed a great debt of gratitude from all of us and I, too, feel so badly for him to have to deal with such unprofessional and childish nonsense. I support him and the other professionals on this list fully (I think I have been on for about 15 years). Hopeful that someone will get a life; amazed that some pathology results in being so oblivious; supportive of Bill. Cheers, -Steven On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Beth Benoit wrote: Ed et al., (I refuse to post this in response to M.S.'s original subject heading, so I've changed the subject.) I agree with everything you've said. I begged for eliminating M.S. last January - and before then as well. Since January's debacle, I have refused to respond to any of his bizarre, often childish, sometimes hurtful posts. No one on TIPS backed me up at that time, but I suspect that many just don't know how to address his posts. Michael's recent threat to bring a lawsuit against Frostburg U. (which, of course, is the source of TIPS) when Bill posted that he was dealing with the latest M.S. infringement was almost the last straw for me, as it must have been for Bill. I suspect that Bill's hands are tied without legal counsel. Who needs it??? I don't doubt that Bill feels he doesn't need the grief. I feel for our Bill. Bill posted that he was dealing with the chick name calling, and that is apparently what brought on the lawsuit threat. I despair. I suspect Bill does too. We all owe Bill such a debt of gratitude for all he has done for almost two decades to keep this heretofore wonderful list going. Thanks, Michael, for
RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen
As I read through each post I keep thinking I'll respond to that one because I agree with it. Then I read the next one and agree with that too. So, I'm adding my voice to all of your very well-written posts. So many times I have been offended and tempted to respond, but then decided it (he) wasn't worth my time. Once in a while I got roped in, and immediately regretted it. Thanks Bill for this list, no thanks to the one person who is trying to ruin it for his own kicks. Carol Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University Davenport, Iowa 52803 phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: devoldercar...@sau.edu From: Dennis Goff [mailto:dg...@randolphcollege.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:35 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I know that I am quiet on the list, but I have been here a long time and am not leaving. There is too much of value here to let one person drive me away. As others have pointed out, that monitored list is not a replacement for the knowledge or sense of community on TIPS. I have used filters for the list for much of the time that I have been here so I do not see the exuberant posts that begin these discussions. Those messages go straight into my delete folder. My guess is that Bill Gates and his minions invented the delete folder for exactly this purpose. Thanks to Bill Southerly for maintaining the list. It must seem something of a thankless job at times like this. Dennis -- Dennis M. Goff Charles A. Dana Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Randolph College (Founded as Randolph-Macon Woman's College in 1891) Lynchburg VA 24503 dg...@randolphcollege.edu From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:04 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I, too, have been on this list for 15 years, and I'm not going anywhere. This community has been too valuable to me. For those of you who lean toward public protests, I've set up a poll on the TIPS subscribers page (http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm ) where you are welcome to vote on whether M.S. should be retained or removed from TIPS. I'm not saying that the voting will have any impact one way or another, but raw numbers are easier to see, for everybody here, than speculation. For those who are more likely to protest in a less public manner, here again are the instructions for setting up filters in Outlook. If you use a different email system and would like assistance, you are welcome to email me off-list. Best, Sue From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Hi all, There's no need to leave the list because of one person. If you have Outlook, here's how you can use filters to delete messages before you even see them. 1. In the top menu, select Tools then Rules and Alerts. Select New Rule. In the Start from a blank rule section, choose Check messages when they arrive. Click Next. 2. Check the option, From people or distribution list. Notice that this has been added to the box at the bottom of the screen. In that box, click on people or distribution list. In the From box, type in the email address of the person you'd like to delete. 3. Click OK then Next. Now check Delete it. 4. Click Next, then add an exception if you'd like. Then Next again. Click Finish and you're done. If you'd like to delete replies to that person's messages, create a new rule like you did in step 1. In step 2, select with specific words in the body. In the box at the bottom of the screen, click specific words and type in the person's email address or name, depending on how much you want to filter. As long as people respond with the poster's header included in the email, the email address will filter that message out. If responders delete the header, then only the person's name will delete those messages. In any case, you'll have less to delete manually. As a side note, I use a filter to move TIPS and other listserv messages out of my inbox and into their own folders. I also have email messages sent just to me show up in a color other than black. That makes it easier to sort the wheat from the chaff. My best, Sue -- Sue Frantz http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/ Highline Community College Psychology, CoordinatorDes Moines, WA 206.878.3710 x3404 sfra...@highline.edu Office of Teaching Resources in Psychology, Associate Director Project Syllabus
Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen
I agree and so voted. Hope Bill can resist any intimidation or threat and just get the bozo off the list. Wow 15 years or more. Generally been a good group with some helpful ideas and tips! Gary Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Psychology Saginaw Valley State University University Center, MI 48710 989-964-4491 peter...@svsu.edu - Original Message - From: Tim Shearon tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:04:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen All I agree primarily with the idea of elimination of behavior through extinction. However, as the person-of-interest already pointed out, it doesn’t work if a behavior is self-reinforcing. It clearly is- and for what appear to me to be mean-spirited reasons. The comment came from this individual recently was something to the effect that “good luck finding people who agree with you”. Add my name. A list is a community- participation in which requires a certain degree of self-control and empathy. Self-proclaimed superiority hardly matches the claims of community and egalitarian principles necessary in an open forum. Bill, I appreciate your patience and I respect your efforts running the list- it is, almost without exception, my favorite list * because of * the lack of rules and structure- but I do think it is possible to go too far. Tim From: Dennis Goff [mailto:dg...@randolphcollege.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:35 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I know that I am quiet on the list, but I have been here a long time and am not leaving. There is too much of value here to let one person drive me away. As others have pointed out, that monitored list is not a replacement for the knowledge or sense of community on TIPS. I have used filters for the list for much of the time that I have been here so I do not see the “exuberant” posts that begin these discussions. Those messages go straight into my delete folder. My guess is that Bill Gates and his minions invented the delete folder for exactly this purpose. Thanks to Bill Southerly for maintaining the list. It must seem something of a thankless job at times like this. Dennis -- Dennis M. Goff Charles A. Dana Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Randolph College ( Founded as Randolph-Macon Woman's College in 1891 ) Lynchburg VA 24503 dg...@randolphcollege.edu From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:04 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I, too, have been on this list for 15 years, and I’m not going anywhere. This community has been too valuable to me. For those of you who lean toward public protests, I’ve set up a poll on the TIPS subscribers page ( http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm ) where you are welcome to vote on whether M.S. should be retained or removed from TIPS. I’m not saying that the voting will have any impact one way or another, but raw numbers are easier to see, for everybody here, than speculation. For those who are more likely to protest in a less public manner, here again are the instructions for setting up filters in Outlook. If you use a different email system and would like assistance, you are welcome to email me off-list. Best, Sue From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Hi all, There’s no need to leave the list because of one person. If you have Outlook, here’s how you can use filters to delete messages before you even see them. 1. In the top menu, select “Tools” then “Rules and Alerts.” Select “New Rule.” In the “Start from a blank rule” section, choose “Check messages when they arrive.” Click “Next.” 2. Check the option, “From people or distribution list.” Notice that this has been added to the box at the bottom of the screen. In that box, click on “people or distribution list.” In the “From” box, type in the email address of the person you’d like to delete. 3. Click “OK” then “Next.” Now check “Delete it.” 4. Click “Next,” then add an exception if you’d like. Then “Next” again. Click “Finish” and you’re done. If you’d like to delete replies to that person’s messages, create a new rule like you did in step 1. In step 2, select “with specific words in the body.” In the box at the bottom of the screen, click “specific words” and type in the person’s email address or name, depending on how much you want to filter. As long as people respond with
RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen
I first started reading and writing to TIPS in the early 90's (somewhere around 93 or 94 I think), so I'm not going anywhere either. Dammit. I went and voted in the poll, to boot. (Yes, the ambiguity is intentional.) m PS Interesting to see only the fallout from the posts and not the actual posts. Email filters are pretty nifty. -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Department of Psychology College of Arts Sciences Baker University -- -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@vmail.svsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:13 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen I agree and so voted. Hope Bill can resist any intimidation or threat and just get the bozo off the list. Wow 15 years or more. Generally been a good group with some helpful ideas and tips! Gary Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Psychology Saginaw Valley State University University Center, MI 48710 989-964-4491 peter...@svsu.edu - Original Message - From: Tim Shearon tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:04:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen All I agree primarily with the idea of elimination of behavior through extinction. However, as the person-of-interest already pointed out, it doesn't work if a behavior is self-reinforcing. It clearly is- and for what appear to me to be mean-spirited reasons. The comment came from this individual recently was something to the effect that good luck finding people who agree with you. Add my name. A list is a community- participation in which requires a certain degree of self-control and empathy. Self-proclaimed superiority hardly matches the claims of community and egalitarian principles necessary in an open forum. Bill, I appreciate your patience and I respect your efforts running the list- it is, almost without exception, my favorite list * because of * the lack of rules and structure- but I do think it is possible to go too far. Tim From: Dennis Goff [mailto:dg...@randolphcollege.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:35 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I know that I am quiet on the list, but I have been here a long time and am not leaving. There is too much of value here to let one person drive me away. As others have pointed out, that monitored list is not a replacement for the knowledge or sense of community on TIPS. I have used filters for the list for much of the time that I have been here so I do not see the exuberant posts that begin these discussions. Those messages go straight into my delete folder. My guess is that Bill Gates and his minions invented the delete folder for exactly this purpose. Thanks to Bill Southerly for maintaining the list. It must seem something of a thankless job at times like this. Dennis -- Dennis M. Goff Charles A. Dana Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Randolph College ( Founded as Randolph-Macon Woman's College in 1891 ) Lynchburg VA 24503 dg...@randolphcollege.edu From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:04 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I, too, have been on this list for 15 years, and I'm not going anywhere. This community has been too valuable to me. For those of you who lean toward public protests, I've set up a poll on the TIPS subscribers page ( http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm ) where you are welcome to vote on whether M.S. should be retained or removed from TIPS. I'm not saying that the voting will have any impact one way or another, but raw numbers are easier to see, for everybody here, than speculation. For those who are more likely to protest in a less public manner, here again are the instructions for setting up filters in Outlook. If you use a different email system and would like assistance, you are welcome to email me off-list. Best, Sue From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Hi all, There's no need to leave the list because of one person. If you have Outlook, here's how you can use filters to delete messages before you even see them. 1. In the top menu, select Tools then Rules and Alerts. Select New Rule. In the Start from a blank rule section, choose Check messages when they arrive. Click Next. 2. Check the option, From people or distribution list. Notice that this has been
Re: [tips] listserv policy
Title: tag Dear Colleagues, In my opinion, the person in question has a long-standing history of sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, and other offensive posts to this list. This individual has escalated recently to sending semi-pornographic cartoons, flaming, and increasing levels of offensive behavior. Most lists have basic guidelines* that not only protect the exchange of information on a list but protect the hosting institution from legal action (e.g., anti-trust, libel, sexual harassment suits, etc.). Unfortunately, one person's actions may not only alter the tenor of a listserv but also, as this is a professional listserv, can create functionally a hostile work environment depriving others of the fair use of the list. Being retained on a listserv in relation to listserv and university policy is not a freedom of speech issue as lists are privately owned and operated. Just like a restaurant, if someone comes in without shoes or shirt, they can be denied service. I'm sure Frostburg has listserv guidelines or at least university policies against racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, and other forms bias and discrimination. The university is indeed opening itself up to legal problems based on the actions of the individual in question on this list. Most likely, TIPS could be shut down if individuals formally complained to Frostburg's Civil Rights Compliance/Diversity Office and Bill did not take action. Universities really do not like bad press when it comes to inexcusable patterns of prejudice and discrimination. Indeed, Frostburg's policy statements include the following: "Therefore, the University community takes the unequivocal position that racist practices, or any action, or institutional structure or process, that has for its purpose the subordination of a person or a group based on race, color, creed, disability, marital status, national origin, sex, age, or sexual orientation, will not be tolerated." And: By law, sexual advances, requests for sexual favors and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when: 3) Such conduct has the purpose or effect of substantially interfering with an individuals performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive employment or educational environment. If Frostburg hosts the listserv as part of its educational mission, then the list falls under this policy. For example, the post of 10/11/09 entitled, "Concept map: dick flick" could easily fit within the definition of sexual harassment and indeed, I perceived it as such. Is this the kind of material with which Frostburg and the Psychology Department at Frostburg wants to be associated? And this, of course, is but one example. Although, learning theories might suggest that extinction would work, history has also demonstrated that passive bystanders only serve to fuel abuse, hate, and other negative behaviors. Impunity provides a warm refuge and results in an escalation of negative behaviors as these are often very self-rewarding. I recognize that this thread will most likely be quite pleasing to the person in question but I hope that Bill (thank you for all of your hard work) will finally take action on a complaint that has been reiterated over the years with no avail. Best, Linda *Scott provide a list; another can be found at http://www.webster.edu/peacepsychology/listguidelines.html (these are fairly standard legal guidelines). Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: Hi All For many years, Ive been a loyal member of another intellectually stimulating and vibrant listserv (Society for a Science of Clinical Psychology, or SSCP) that was for several years experiencing somewhat similar problems in our case, one or two members who kept posting e-mails that were very personally offensive and insulting (calling other members names, directly impugning their intelligence, making some factual assertions about other members that were potentially slanderous). In response to these developments, which led a number of good people to drop off of the listserv, the listerv ultimately adopted a policy by a vote of the membership. I have to confess that I was initially opposed to the policy and did not support it even as president of the organization, but I eventually become persuaded that it was necessary given that one members behavior was so disruptive that it virtually held the listserv hostage at times. Moreover, as the policy notes, reasonable people can and will disagree about the boundaries of civility, but this persons verbal behavior was so far outside of these boundaries that it was not longer a matter of debate. You can find a PDF version of this policy at the very bottom of this link (I dont want to send the PDF attachment to the listserv given that it may clog up peoples inboxes): http://sites.google.com/site/sscpwebsite/listserv Numbers 17 and 18 in
Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen
I have tried to avoid commenting on this issue since it provides more social attention to the problem poster. But the offensive trolling is crippling the list. I would vote for a temporary suspension and then a series of steps to achieve readmission. Ken --- Kenneth M. Steele, Ph.D. steel...@appstate.edu Professor and Assistant Chairperson Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, NC 28608 USA --- Marc Carter wrote: I first started reading and writing to TIPS in the early 90's (somewhere around 93 or 94 I think), so I'm not going anywhere either. Dammit. I went and voted in the poll, to boot. (Yes, the ambiguity is intentional.) m PS Interesting to see only the fallout from the posts and not the actual posts. Email filters are pretty nifty. -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Department of Psychology College of Arts Sciences Baker University -- -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@vmail.svsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:13 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen I agree and so voted. Hope Bill can resist any intimidation or threat and just get the bozo off the list. Wow 15 years or more. Generally been a good group with some helpful ideas and tips! Gary Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Psychology Saginaw Valley State University University Center, MI 48710 989-964-4491 peter...@svsu.edu - Original Message - From: Tim Shearon tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:04:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen All I agree primarily with the idea of elimination of behavior through extinction. However, as the person-of-interest already pointed out, it doesn't work if a behavior is self-reinforcing. It clearly is- and for what appear to me to be mean-spirited reasons. The comment came from this individual recently was something to the effect that good luck finding people who agree with you. Add my name. A list is a community- participation in which requires a certain degree of self-control and empathy. Self-proclaimed superiority hardly matches the claims of community and egalitarian principles necessary in an open forum. Bill, I appreciate your patience and I respect your efforts running the list- it is, almost without exception, my favorite list * because of * the lack of rules and structure- but I do think it is possible to go too far. Tim From: Dennis Goff [mailto:dg...@randolphcollege.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:35 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I know that I am quiet on the list, but I have been here a long time and am not leaving. There is too much of value here to let one person drive me away. As others have pointed out, that monitored list is not a replacement for the knowledge or sense of community on TIPS. I have used filters for the list for much of the time that I have been here so I do not see the exuberant posts that begin these discussions. Those messages go straight into my delete folder. My guess is that Bill Gates and his minions invented the delete folder for exactly this purpose. Thanks to Bill Southerly for maintaining the list. It must seem something of a thankless job at times like this. Dennis -- Dennis M. Goff Charles A. Dana Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Randolph College ( Founded as Randolph-Macon Woman's College in 1891 ) Lynchburg VA 24503 dg...@randolphcollege.edu From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:04 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I, too, have been on this list for 15 years, and I'm not going anywhere. This community has been too valuable to me. For those of you who lean toward public protests, I've set up a poll on the TIPS subscribers page ( http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm ) where you are welcome to vote on whether M.S. should be retained or removed from TIPS. I'm not saying that the voting will have any impact one way or another, but raw numbers are easier to see, for everybody here, than speculation. For those who are more likely to protest in a less public manner, here again are the instructions for setting up filters in Outlook. If you use a different email system and would like assistance, you are welcome to email me off-list. Best, Sue From: Frantz, Sue
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so the group is also a participant. While I understand the desire to vote on whether one person should be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I would rather try to buck Girard-like human nature and fill posts with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a tradition I want to see started. -- John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: Claudia Stanny csta...@uwf.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can. At present, I’ve adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 – 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail: csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
John, I appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has *ever* made the suggestion that someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, John Kulig ku...@mail.plymouth.edu wrote: Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so the group is also a participant. While I understand the desire to vote on whether one person should be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I would rather try to buck Girard-like human nature and fill posts with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a tradition I want to see started. -- John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: Claudia Stanny csta...@uwf.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can. At present, I’ve adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 – 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail: csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
True true. I have been on for about that long too. thanks beth for giving me somerthing more to ponder. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular -Original Message- From: Beth Benoit beth.ben...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:06:51 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS John, I appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has *ever* made the suggestion that someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, John Kulig ku...@mail.plymouth.edu wrote: Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so the group is also a participant. While I understand the desire to vote on whether one person should be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I would rather try to buck Girard-like human nature and fill posts with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a tradition I want to see started. -- John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: Claudia Stanny csta...@uwf.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can. At present, I’ve adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 – 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail: csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
John - I suspect the answer is largely benign...we are all educators and find it difficult to resist the urge/temptation to set someone straight. This is by itself an admirable impulse, and it stems largely from our desire to influence others in a positive direction. But as my one of Ph.D. mentors Paul Meehl liked to say, Sometimes one has to figure out whether someone is educable. If he or she isn't, it's not worth spending time on them. I don't know the person in question, so I don't know whether he is educable. But it does seem to me that he is not interested in curbing his behavior or trying to make a good faith effort to do so. If I saw such a good faith effort, I might well feel differently. Scott Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D. Professor Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and Interdisciplinary Sciences (PAIS) Emory University 36 Eagle Row Atlanta, Georgia 30322 slil...@emory.edu (404) 727-1125 Psychology Today Blog: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist 50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in Mental Health Column: http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/ The Master in the Art of Living makes little distinction between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his recreation, his love and his intellectual passions. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To him – he is always doing both. - Zen Buddhist text (slightly modified) -Original Message- From: John Kulig [mailto:ku...@mail.plymouth.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so the group is also a participant. While I understand the desire to vote on whether one person should be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I would rather try to buck Girard-like human nature and fill posts with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a tradition I want to see started. -- John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: Claudia Stanny csta...@uwf.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can.
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
quoteI appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has ever made the suggestion that someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance.unquote. And so we should end it now? The day after the action we can change the sign in the parking lot to read One day without an expulsion. Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE: [tips] unanswered question
Annette Taylor wrote: I have no answer to one of the questions. Sigh. Annette An oversight I suspect. This has happened to me a couple of times when posting multiple questions. Please do re-ask the unanswered question. Tim _ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chairperson of Psychology The College of Idaho 2112 Cleveland Blvd Caldwell, ID 83605 teaching: Bio and neuropsychology, history and systems, general, psychopharmacology tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive
I'm way behind on my mail, but after filtering the unnamed individual out of my email after asking him several legitimate questions and being ignored, I too must add my protestation to the continuation of this individuals membership on the list. Besides, after his promise to go underground for several months (which lasted several days) I can see no reason to post any of his rantings, and fishing posts. I like this list and respect most of the members. I'd like to keep it that way. Original message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu MANY good people have gone over to psychteach primarily because of the inappropriate behavior on this list, and we have lost their input on this list. I only had 3 replies to my 4 questions that were very legitimate, this week. I have no answer to one of the questions. Sigh. I am sad to have to cross post because historically I got great answers on this list without having to go through the review process over there. I don't know what the POD list does, since it is also not monitored in the same way psychteach is, but they certainly have serious people making serious contributions to discussions, and without flaming anyone (a problem I found on other lists). If this is not the straw to break the camel's back, Bill, then what will be egregious enough for you? Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:22:26 -0400 From: Britt, Michael michael.br...@thepsychfiles.com Subject: Re: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu I will add my vote of agreement to Ed and Don. These posts are inappropriate and waste everyone's precious time. If you can't keep your posts at a professional level then you don't belong on this list. Michael Britt mich...@thepsychfiles.com www.thepsychfiles.com On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Steven Specht wrote: I concur. I wouldn't allow this in my classroom for more than two sessions (it's disruptive... I don't see it as being related to free speech at this point). On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Don Allen wrote: Thanks Ed- I second the request. There has to be a limit to this inane trolling. Mischaracterizing people with mental illness does not belong on a listserve like TIPS. -Don. - Original Message - From: Ed Callen Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:26 pm Subject: RE: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Please, please, please Bill, TIPS moderator, see this as one last example of why this guy needs to be removed from this list. I know the current extinction strategy is in place, and I know Bill's comittment over the years to free speech, but there is no real value of this person to the teaching of psychology list, other than bringing up controversial issues to respond to. I have seen this and been part of this list since it began, and more good people have left the list because of him that have joined, and I have resisted responding, but there is so much good a list like this can do to have someone who has time on his hands ruin. We all know I think that his examples of questions A student asked me this... another faculty member did this... are all made up. We saw earlier that his adjunct status to a bunch of colleges was not true or exaggerated, so come on. We've got great people on this list with great minds and ideas, let's bring it to that level, rather than have it whither because of someone who is interested, imho, of reading his own posts and responses. This is the only list of its kind in our field, and I've hated to see it continue to deteriorate. From: michael sylvester [mailto:msylves...@copper.net] Sent: Tue 10/20/2009 6:59 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Schizophrenic or manic-depressive I am trying to decide who I should have as a condo guest for the upcoming holiday season. If I get the schizophrenic,that person would probably look at the ocean for 8
[tips] Zen and the art of TIPS maintenance
I like John Kulig's comment about scapegoating. I've long thought TIPS was manifesting problematic social behavior and felt that we have collectively engaged in less-than-ideal behavior. John may have put his finger on the problem. So for the social psychologists out there, we have an interesting applied social problem. How does a diffuse virtual community effectively regulate the quality of its community interactions? One solution, used by other lists, is to have designated parents who enforce the adult rules (others have other names for moderated lists). Other lists manage to individually regulate submissions and maintain civil and (mostly) on-topic threads. I regularly monitor conversations on 4 fairly active lists. Only one is moderated (and discussions are well-regulated indeed, even if answers are a bit slower in arriving). Only one list is having this particular discussion. Something has gone awry with the dynamics of the TIPS list. I believe we are all responsible for the quality of discourse on the list. (collectively - which is part of the danger, but one that many want to preserve) What strategies are available to wise, educated adults to effectively recreate the kind of virtual community we aspire to create? Claudia Stanny -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:wsc...@wooster.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:37 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS quoteI appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has ever made the suggestion that someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance.unquote. And so we should end it now? The day after the action we can change the sign in the parking lot to read One day without an expulsion. Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] Skeptical Psychologist blog
Thank, Scott, for the link to your Skeptical Psychologist blog: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist One post is a particular gripe of mine (and other TIPSters, I'm sure): We shouldn't put too much trust in any psychology finding unless and until a different investigative team has replicated it. We should also remember that the news media rarely appreciate the importance of replication, so they're liable to hype surprising findings before others have duplicated them. http://tinyurl.com/yzrwpvz And, I would add, sometimes they hype claims of confirmations of popular beliefs that are not necessarily valid. Also: occasionally researchers, with the aid of their University publicity department, send out Press Releases that result in wide coverage of the claimed findings, all too often presented uncritically by journalists. Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London http://www.esterson.org --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
Well we did have that one other individual who was attacking the entire enterprise of psychology. Remember, he was found out because of his well-publicized attacks elsewhere and moved on pretty quickly. But that's all I can remember in the past 15 years. On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:20 PM, ku...@plymouth.edu wrote: True true. I have been on for about that long too. thanks beth for giving me somerthing more to ponder. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular From: Beth Benoit beth.ben...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:06:51 -0400 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS John, I appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has ever made the suggestion that someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, John Kulig ku...@mail.plymouth.edu wrote: Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so the group is also a participant. While I understand the desire to vote on whether one person should be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I would rather try to buck Girard-like human nature and fill posts with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a tradition I want to see started. -- John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: Claudia Stanny csta...@uwf.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can. At present, I’ve adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 – 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail: csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription
Re: [tips] response to Ed Callen
I have been an occasional contributor to the list and indeed there have been many times when I did have something to say to a post but got sidetracked by another post because of its incendiary, outrageous or offensive nature. I ended up posting nothing, and then somehow the moment passed in all of the competing demands for time. I will not respond to those incendiary posts I allude to in the hopes that nonreinforcement will increase the likelihood of extinction. Recent extraordinary bids for attention suggest otherwise. I have no problem with the listowner removing posters from the list and can appreciate what a difficult job Bill has. Sally Walters CapilanoU - Original Message - From: DeVolder Carol L To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen As I read through each post I keep thinking I'll respond to that one because I agree with it. Then I read the next one and agree with that too. So, I'm adding my voice to all of your very well-written posts. So many times I have been offended and tempted to respond, but then decided it (he) wasn't worth my time. Once in a while I got roped in, and immediately regretted it. Thanks Bill for this list, no thanks to the one person who is trying to ruin it for his own kicks. Carol Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University Davenport, Iowa 52803 phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: devoldercar...@sau.edu From: Dennis Goff [mailto:dg...@randolphcollege.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:35 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I know that I am quiet on the list, but I have been here a long time and am not leaving. There is too much of value here to let one person drive me away. As others have pointed out, that monitored list is not a replacement for the knowledge or sense of community on TIPS. I have used filters for the list for much of the time that I have been here so I do not see the exuberant posts that begin these discussions. Those messages go straight into my delete folder. My guess is that Bill Gates and his minions invented the delete folder for exactly this purpose. Thanks to Bill Southerly for maintaining the list. It must seem something of a thankless job at times like this. Dennis -- Dennis M. Goff Charles A. Dana Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Randolph College (Founded as Randolph-Macon Woman's College in 1891) Lynchburg VA 24503 dg...@randolphcollege.edu From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:04 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] response to Ed Callen I, too, have been on this list for 15 years, and I'm not going anywhere. This community has been too valuable to me. For those of you who lean toward public protests, I've set up a poll on the TIPS subscribers page (http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/index.htm) where you are welcome to vote on whether M.S. should be retained or removed from TIPS. I'm not saying that the voting will have any impact one way or another, but raw numbers are easier to see, for everybody here, than speculation. For those who are more likely to protest in a less public manner, here again are the instructions for setting up filters in Outlook. If you use a different email system and would like assistance, you are welcome to email me off-list. Best, Sue From: Frantz, Sue [mailto:sfra...@highline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:34 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Hi all, There's no need to leave the list because of one person. If you have Outlook, here's how you can use filters to delete messages before you even see them. 1. In the top menu, select Tools then Rules and Alerts. Select New Rule. In the Start from a blank rule section, choose Check messages when they arrive. Click Next. 2. Check the option, From people or distribution list. Notice that this has been added to the box at the bottom of the screen. In that box, click on people or distribution list. In the From box, type in the email address of the person you'd like to delete. 3. Click OK then Next. Now check Delete it. 4. Click Next, then add an exception if you'd like. Then Next again. Click Finish and you're done. If you'd like to delete replies to that person's messages, create a new rule like you did in step 1. In step 2, select with specific words in the body. In the box at the
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
I think you are referring to Richard Hake and I have been reading his posts avidly. I thought it was more of a taking to task than an attack and I thought it was right on. He is still posts regularly on POD and I enjoy his posts there. He promotes a better level of assessment of our outcomes. I think it's right on but as part of the assessment team at my university, I know that it's a 10-letter dirty word. However, I believe the potential for improvement is tremendous and we as psychologists should be in the forefront of the movement, and not willingly and avidly placing it in the hands of the education and ed-psych people. We will have no one to complain to but ourselves. I'm a bit sorry that we were so narrow-minded about his posts. They could have readily been tolerated just like Louis' posts as they were not inflammatory nor prejudicial. They were simply taking psychologists to task for not putting their efforts where their mouths are when it comes to things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and who are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:06:41 -0400 From: Steven Specht sspe...@utica.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Well we did have that one other individual who was attacking the entire enterprise of psychology. Remember, he was found out because of his well-publicized attacks elsewhere and moved on pretty quickly. But that's all I can remember in the past 15 years. On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:20 PM, ku...@plymouth.edu wrote: True true. I have been on for about that long too. thanks beth for giving me somerthing more to ponder. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular From: Beth Benoit beth.ben...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:06:51 -0400 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS John, I appreciate your Zen wisdom, and can appreciate the next-year-it-may-be-someone-else concept, but since 1993 (my first year on TIPS), no one on TIPS has ever made the suggestion that someone be removed. I think that's a pretty good record of tolerance. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, John Kulig ku...@mail.plymouth.edu wrote: Claudia .. thanks, you inspired me to throw in $.02 I'm only an amateur when it comes to social psychology, but I am pretty sure scapegoating always happens in groups sooner or later. When you study scapegoating (e.g. the French anthropologist Rene Girard) you realize scapegoats usually bring it on themselves (more or less), they are never randomly drawn from the population ... so the group is also a participant. While I understand the desire to vote on whether one person should be excluded, I will not do it. It feels too ugly to me. ALL groups end up with someone who we think deserves to be kicked out, but I would rather try to buck Girard-like human nature and fill posts with other threads. I think it's a signal-to-noise ratio issue. I do not want to start a tradition of voting on exclusion. I think it is a bad road to start down. Also, the internet is inherently open and that will not change unless TIPs becomes a gated community which I would oppose. That being said, most posters on ANY group will tick others off sooner or later, and some people will routinely tick off most everyone. It's the nature of the medium. FINALLY, let's take advantage of social diffusion. An email stares at YOU in the face, but it is actually directed at no one person in particular, it is - electronically - diffused across all members of the group. Remember the old zen habit of visualizing a person's comments as an arrow that may be aimed at you, but then flies past you. One more finally: maybe there is something in human nature that always itches for a fight. I am (half) mystified why people cannot resisting responding to posts they want extinguished. If one person is voted on, there may be another next year and that's not a tradition I want to see started. -- John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: Claudia Stanny csta...@uwf.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:58:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
In my humble opinion, this is a ridiculous thread that should be ended immediately. First of all, it only gives he who shall not be named more list attention than he could have possibly dreamt of. Second, things are not all that bad, given that this is the wild and woolly world of non-moderated listservs. The occasional (even daily) message that one finds silly, or even offensive, can be easily ignored. It takes, what?, two seconds to hit the delete key. The address of anyone who is a chronic offender can be put in a kill file so that their messages are not even received (as several people on TIPS have done with various other TIPSters). Anyone so overly sensitive that the traffic one typically sees here literally drives them off the list would be driven off practically any non-moderated list. I like the fact that this list is non-moderated (one of the reasons I post here rather than psychteach, with its arcane rules and arbitrary gatekeepers). The price one pays for non-moderation is the occasional ridiculous post. The benefit one gets is an actual discussion rather than a formal Roberts Rules meeting. Every community has its share of clowns and fools. We are no different. Stand tall. Set your eyes in the horizon. Keep you upper lip stiff. And be prepared to use you delete key before your send key. Regards, Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == Claudia Stanny wrote: I am violating my policy of refusing to respond to any post initiated in response to an inappropriate off-topic post or posts that use offensive language. I am saddened that TIPS has devolved into a sandbox of abusive and semi-abusive posts. I am offended by the posts that initiate these threads. I am ashamed of the manner in which some members respond to these threads. I have been ashamed of some of my own responses to these threads. I may yet regret this response. However, if it serves to assist Bill in his efforts to restore civility and purpose to the culture of this list, I will take this risk. Thanks, Bill, for all you have done to create this community. It has been a beneficial component of my scholarly community over the years. If I can help contribute to sustaining that community, I will do what I can. At present, I've adopted silence as my strategy, but I realize that this strategy also creates some unpleasant unintended consequences. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 -- 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail:csta...@uwf.edu mailto:csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Text edition changes mid-year
Some instructors I know are allowing multiple editions of a given book because the changes from edition to edition are usually quite small. While the bookstore says that the book may not be available in sufficient quantity, older editions are always available via Half.com and other textbook resources. If you keep track of the changes so that you can know that old editions are still of good use, you can save some students dozens of dollars off each book, maybe even $100 per text. I hope to implement this in the future as I see the textbooks I select march boldly down the 2 years per edition path. For instance, I guarantee that the text I use for Social Psych will advance an edition for 2011 or 2012. I will allow the current edition when that edition change comes. I know for sure that the text won't change enough to matter between those two editions. One reason I know this is I happened to examine the 4th edition previous to the current edition and noticed that the writing in several passages was identical. Paul Bernhardt On 10/21/09 2:40 PM, Amadio, Dean dama...@siena.edu wrote: Hello all. We're in the process of submitting textbook requests to our bookstore for the Spring, and both of my texts (from the same company) are in new editions starting in January. I know I've seen at least one other person raise a concern about this on this list or another list, but I cannot recall any discussion about it specifically. I'm told since my classes usually are heavily enrolled, it might be too difficult to obtain used, last editions for everyone - necessitating ordering the new edition instead. I know some companies have been changing editions mid-year for a while now, but this is my first experience with the issue. Is this mid-year change becoming more common? If so, is it related in any way to the upcoming federal law requiring academic institutions to post book prices, as I understand, as early as registration? It doesn't seem related, but perhaps I'm missing something. Is there some underlying financial motivation? I know a lot of us use the summer to acclimate to new editions and new texts, and mid-year changes are a lot harder to deal with I bet. I'm almost inclined to go with a different company completely, but if everyone's doing it I may have no choice! Dean M. Amadio Siena College dama...@siena.edu --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
tay...@sandiego.edu 10/21/09 3:04 PM ... things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and [why] are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? And psychologists should have well behaved dogs and children, too! Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS
Where I work the psych department has been at the cutting edge of assessment work. I mean, we're the measurement people, aren't we? m PS. No kids, one cat. I'm safe. -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Department of Psychology College of Arts Sciences Baker University -- -Original Message- From: William Scott [mailto:wsc...@wooster.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:14 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS tay...@sandiego.edu 10/21/09 3:04 PM ... things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and [why] are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? And psychologists should have well behaved dogs and children, too! Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by Baker University (BU) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify Baker University by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] filtering unwanted mail replying off-list
And, here is a link to the Entourage rules tutorial page. http://www.entourage.mvps.org/rules/index.html Paul Bernhardt (last post today!) On 10/21/09 3:10 PM, Brenda Smith bsm...@westmont.edu wrote: I am dismayed at the amount of time, energy, and emotion that has been and is being expended on the troll issue. Paul Meehl's comment, by way of Scott, about the individual in question possibly not being educable seems to make the most sense. We all have better things to be doing, thinking about, and discussing, I think. And rather than waiting for the administrator of the list to do something, I would like to see us be more proactive in regaining constructive discussion about teaching among the list members. To that end, then, I would like to reiterate an earlier suggestion: use email filters. This is a simple, highly effective way of weeding out and, therefore, not being bothered by or tempted to respond to unwanted emails. Below, I've listed some of the email clients that I'm familiar with and web links to instructions for how to set up a filter or rule for a particular email address, in case there are those who are not familiar with setting up filters. I would be happy to research instructions for other email clients that are not listed here. A second suggestion that I would like to offer is that perhaps those who feel compelled to respond to this individual's emails could simply do so off-list rather than posting to the entire list. We often do this in instances where responses are not necessarily of interest to the whole list. In that way, those list members can attempt a conversation with the individual, and the rest of the list members are not pulled into that particular discussion. FWIW-- brenda Brenda Smith, Ph.D. Westmont College Psychology Department 955 La Paz Road Santa Barbara, CA 93108 phone: 805.565.6113; fax: 805.565.6116 bsm...@westmont.edu __ ___ For creating filters in: Windows Eudora, go to http://eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials/win_filters.html Macintosh Eudora, go to http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials/mac_filters.html Outlook, go to http://corp.sover.net/text/support/faq/outlookrules.shtml Webmail, go to http://www.icaen.uiowa.edu/email/webmail-filtering.php Apple Mail (Excerpted from: HTTP://WWW.FREEEMAILTUTORIALS.COM/APPLEMAIL/RULESWITHAPPLEMAIL.CWD) Let us imagine that an annoying colleague keeps emailing us about a bowling contest in which we don't want to participate. In spite of our lack of demonstrated interest for the event, Eric (e...@freeemailtutorials.com ) keeps sending us these invitations by email. Rather than frustrate ourselves with manual deletion, we will just setup a rule to automatically send Eric's rude emails where they belong, the Trash mailbox: --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) In the rule window above, we created a very simple rule, with a single condition to meet: any email coming from the email address e...@freeemailtutorials.com will be automatically moved to the Trash mailbox. Always choose meaningful names for your rules. In six months, you may not remember what Rule 3 does. Click the Ok button. You should now see the Rules tab of Preferences. A new rule has been created and activated, (indicated by a checked checkbox on the left of its description.) The minimalist rule we created above does not do justice to the great potential of rules in Apple Mail. To see an example of a more elaborate rule, select the News From Apple rule and click the Edit button. The rule may be scary-looking, but if you take 20 seconds to look at its details, you will see how omnipotent and all-encompassing, yet simple, rules can be. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] Leadership by psychologists on assessment of student learning
Annette and Marc raise two interesting perceptions of the role of psychologists in the work on assessment. In some institutions, psychologists and psychology departments take a leadership role, modeling good assessment practices and providing consultation to other departments on the development of assessments and interpretation of findings. In other institutions, psychologists and psychology departments are identified as highly resistant. I attended one assessment conference in which I made the comment that assessment made sense to me because it seemed to be an application of my skills in research and cognition. The workshop facilitator's response was that at her institution, cognitive psychologists were the most difficult people to deal with because they were so demanding for methodological purity (control groups, high levels of reliability and validity for assessment instruments) I'm curious about the situation at your institution. Where would you place the participation of your department on this continuum? What do you perceive to be the drivers for why your department participates (or resists)? Respond directly to me off list if you prefer. (csta...@uwf.edu) This may be a topic of specialized and limited interest. My biases on this issue are obvious from my current job title. J But I am curious about learning more about the rationale underlying faculty decisions about assessment. I'll post a summary later for interested parties. Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director, Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment Associate Professor, Psychology University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 - 5751 Phone: (850) 857-6355 or 473-7435 e-mail:csta...@uwf.edu mailto:csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/cutla/ http://uwf.edu/cutla/ Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] Assessment
Title: tag tay...@sandiego.edu wrote: I think you are referring to Richard Hake and I have been reading his posts avidly. I thought it was more of a taking to task than an attack and I thought it was right on. He is still posts regularly on POD and I enjoy his posts there. He promotes a better level of assessment of our outcomes. I think it's right on but as part of the assessment team at my university, I know that it's a 10-letter dirty word. However, I believe the potential for improvement is tremendous and we as psychologists should be in the forefront of the movement, and not willingly and avidly placing it in the hands of the education and ed-psych people. We will have no one to complain to but ourselves. Hi All, There are a number of good resources related to assessment within psychology.¨ For example, Dunn, D. S., Mehrotra, C. M., Halonen, J. S. (Eds.). (2004). Measuring up: Educational assessment challenges and practices for psychology. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. Dunn, D. S., McCarthy, M. A., Baker, S., Halonen, J. S., Hill, G. W. (2007). Quality benchmarks in undergraduate psychology programs. American Psychologist, 62, 650-670. Halonen, J. S., Appleby, D. C., Brewer, C. L., Buskist, W., Gillem, A. R., Halpern, D. F., et al. (APA Task Force on Undergraduate Major Competencies). (2002). Undergraduate psychology major learning goals and outcomes: A report. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.¨ http://www.apa.org/ed/pcue/reports.html Halonen, J. S., Appleby, D. C., Brewer, C. L., Buskist, W., Gillem, A. R., Halpern, D. F., et al. (APA Task Force on Undergraduate Major Competencies). (2002). Assessment CyberGuide for learning goals outcomes in the undergraduate psychology major. http://www.apa.org/ed/guidehomepage.html Halonen, J. S., Bosack, T., Clay, S., McCarthy, M. (In collaboration with D. S. Dunn, G. W. Hill IV, R. McEntarffer, C.Mehrotra, R.Nesmith, K. A.Weaver, K.Whitlock). (2003). A rubric for learning, teaching, and assessing scientific inquiry in psychology. Teaching of Psychology, 30, 196¨208. Halpern, D. F. (Ed.). (2009). Undergraduate education in psychology: A blueprint for the future of the discipline. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. Of course, the reference lists for each of the above provides a fountain of information. Also, each of the books in the Teaching Psychological Science Series (Wiley-Blackwell) has information related to assessment that is course specific - http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-324324.html Best wishes, Linda -- Linda M. Woolf, Ph.D. Professor, Psychology and International Human Rights Webster University 470 East Lockwood St. Louis, MO¨ 63119 Hulsizer, M. R., Woolf, L. M. (2008). Teaching statistics: Innovations and best practices. Malden, MA: Blackwell. Book Web site at: http://www.teachstats.org Past-President Internet Editor: Society for the Study of Peace, Conflict, Violence (Div. 48, APA) Vice-President Elect for Diversity and International Issues: Society for the Teaching of Psychology (Div. 2, APA) Program Committee: National Institute on the Teaching of Psychology (NITOP) Board Member: Institute for the Study of Genocide Woolf Web page:¨ http://www.webster.edu/~woolflm/ ¨ Email: wool...@webster.edu "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's (and woman's) best friend. . . . Inside a dog, it's too dark to read." ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ -¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ Groucho Marx ---To make changes to your subscription contact:Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] reply to bill and new student Q
I completely miss the point of your response and will not be able to respond again until tomorrow. And drat! I had ANOTHER student question to post: Is it common or rare or even possible that eye color changes across the life span? I am merely suggesting that Hake makes a good point. Given that we have a background in the areas of the many factors that make for good educational practice why are we not the driving force in that are of research and literature? If you examine the literature on outcomes assessment it is dominated by the hard sciences. Yet, there can be no denial based on my own published research and the literature reviews therein, that we, as a discipline of psychology are doing a horrible job of disabusing students of the psychobabble they come into our courses with. We are perfectly happy to fill students up with the facts as we see them, and never pay any attention as to whether or not they have taken the false preconceptions and replaced them with correct conceptions. We pay no attention to pedagogies and teaching techniques that could benefit our discipline in the public eye, by doing so. And I guess for that matter maybe we should have better behaved pets and children Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:14:18 -0400 From: William Scott wsc...@wooster.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu tay...@sandiego.edu 10/21/09 3:04 PM ... things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and [why] are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? And psychologists should have well behaved dogs and children, too! Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] Text edition changes mid-year
I would check on whether or not you really cannot get enough used copies or older versions of books. Sometimes the book company still has older versions of the text that they would be willing to sell (check with your book rep). Amadio, Dean wrote: Hello all. We're in the process of submitting textbook requests to our bookstore for the Spring, and both of my texts (from the same company) are in new editions starting in January. I know I've seen at least one other person raise a concern about this on this list or another list, but I cannot recall any discussion about it specifically. I'm told since my classes usually are heavily enrolled, it might be too difficult to obtain used, last editions for everyone - necessitating ordering the new edition instead. I know some companies have been changing editions mid-year for a while now, but this is my first experience with the issue. Is this mid-year change becoming more common? If so, is it related in any way to the upcoming federal law requiring academic institutions to post book prices, as I understand, as early as registration? It doesn't seem related, but perhaps I'm missing something. Is there some underlying financial motivation? I know a lot of us use the summer to acclimate to new editions and new texts, and mid-year changes are a lot harder to deal with I bet. I'm almost inclined to go with a different company completely, but if everyone's doing it I may have no choice! Dean M. Amadio Siena College dama...@siena.edu --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) -- Deb Dr. Deborah S. Briihl Dept. of Psychology and Counseling Valdosta State University 229-333-5994 dbri...@valdosta.edu --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q
I can answer the eye color question somewhat--eye color does change as one ages. Eyes tend to become less intense in their color (everything fades or shrivels as you age...). It isn't likely that one will change from brown eyes to blue eyes or vice versa (I know of no such event). However, I also find it interesting that the new product to make lashes grow (Latisse, which was originally developed to treat glaucoma) causes deposit of pigment and can actually make one's blue eyes brown, permanently. Carol Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University Davenport, Iowa 52803 phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: devoldercar...@sau.edu -Original Message- From: tay...@sandiego.edu [mailto:tay...@sandiego.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:17 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q I completely miss the point of your response and will not be able to respond again until tomorrow. And drat! I had ANOTHER student question to post: Is it common or rare or even possible that eye color changes across the life span? I am merely suggesting that Hake makes a good point. Given that we have a background in the areas of the many factors that make for good educational practice why are we not the driving force in that are of research and literature? If you examine the literature on outcomes assessment it is dominated by the hard sciences. Yet, there can be no denial based on my own published research and the literature reviews therein, that we, as a discipline of psychology are doing a horrible job of disabusing students of the psychobabble they come into our courses with. We are perfectly happy to fill students up with the facts as we see them, and never pay any attention as to whether or not they have taken the false preconceptions and replaced them with correct conceptions. We pay no attention to pedagogies and teaching techniques that could benefit our discipline in the public eye, by doing so. And I guess for that matter maybe we should have better behaved pets and children Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:14:18 -0400 From: William Scott wsc...@wooster.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu tay...@sandiego.edu 10/21/09 3:04 PM ... things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and [why] are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? And psychologists should have well behaved dogs and children, too! Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q
And drat! I had ANOTHER student question to post: Is it common or rare or even possible that eye color changes across the life span? Yes, the color can. You see this most often in very young infants, however, as we age the lens of our eye does yellow, so that could be causing some color change as well. -- Deb Dr. Deborah S. Briihl Dept. of Psychology and Counseling Valdosta State University 229-333-5994 dbri...@valdosta.edu --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
Re: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q
One of your questions was: (2) Is there a purpose to having different eye and hair color? Most of the world's population has dark hair and brown eyes, so one could start by looking at the distribution of non-dark hair and eyes. Blonde and red hair both occur historically at northern/western european geographies and they also co-occur with pale skin. So they may confer some of the same advantages in terms of vit D production at northern climates, or they could be characteristics that don't have an adaptive function but just genetically got swept along with the pale skin. Without a lot of north-south movement and intermixing, it is easy to see how they variants could be maintained in the population. Whether it is advantageous to have hair and eye colour different to the majority in one's own population is a different question, but sexual selection could drive the maintenance of minority variants if so. Sally Walters - Original Message - From: tay...@sandiego.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q I completely miss the point of your response and will not be able to respond again until tomorrow. And drat! I had ANOTHER student question to post: Is it common or rare or even possible that eye color changes across the life span? I am merely suggesting that Hake makes a good point. Given that we have a background in the areas of the many factors that make for good educational practice why are we not the driving force in that are of research and literature? If you examine the literature on outcomes assessment it is dominated by the hard sciences. Yet, there can be no denial based on my own published research and the literature reviews therein, that we, as a discipline of psychology are doing a horrible job of disabusing students of the psychobabble they come into our courses with. We are perfectly happy to fill students up with the facts as we see them, and never pay any attention as to whether or not they have taken the false preconceptions and replaced them with correct conceptions. We pay no attention to pedagogies and teaching techniques that could benefit our discipline in the public eye, by doing so. And I guess for that matter maybe we should have better behaved pets and children Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:14:18 -0400 From: William Scott wsc...@wooster.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu tay...@sandiego.edu 10/21/09 3:04 PM ... things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and [why] are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? And psychologists should have well behaved dogs and children, too! Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] first research reports under 6d
I have completed my first pass through research papers submitted in accord with the Publication Manual 6e. After nearly a decade with the previous standard, it is a challenge to adjust to changes in the little aspects of APA Style. The cover page appears cluttered, those bold headings leap out (at least in some places), and there is new found charm in the doi!? que sera sera --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] Herman Daly's Ecological Economist View Contrasted with the Traditional Economist View of Lawrence Summers and the World Bank
Some psychologists might be interested in a recent post Energy Efficiency, the Jevons Paradox, and the Elephant in the Room: Overpopulation #4 [Hake (2009)], which contrasts Herman Daly's ecological economist view with the traditional economist view of Lawrence Summers and the World Bank. The abstract reads: ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ABSTRACT: In a post Energy Efficiency, the Jevons Paradox, and the Elephant in the Room: Overpopulation #3, I contested Podolfsky's claim that my earlier post on that subject treated complex problems in terms of simple ideas and, possibly, a single equation exp^t. Instead my post merely expressed doubt that enlightened energy efficiency policy *by itself* could tame the elephant in the room - overpopulation - and did not ignore the Podolfsky's energy-use gorilla. Podolfsky responded that to call overpopulation THE elephant is at best misleading, and at worst distracting from other very important issues. Johnson, responding to all the above, asked if people might agree with this viewpoint: Even though population numbers rarely follow pure exponential behavior for very long, they have the tendency towards exponential growth, and the same goes for energy consumption by technological societies in the absence of limitations on energy usage, as clearly shown in 'Limits to Growth' [Meadows et al. (1972)]. I agree with Johnson's viewpoint, but Lawrence Summers [current Director of the White House's National Economic Council and former chief economist at the World Bank] probably does not, having expressed the opinion that Meadows et al. (1992)] was worthless, and that their (and Daly's) diagram of the economic system as part of and within the ecosystem was not the right way to look at it. SUMMERS' AND THE WORLD BANK'S VIEWPOINT IS CONTRASTED WITH THAT OF DALY'S IN PASSAGES QUOTED AT LENGTH FROM PAGES 4-10 OF THE INTRODUCTION OF BEYOND GROWTH [Daly (1997]. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ To access the complete 44 kB post please click on http://tinyurl.com/yj2pmqp. Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University 24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367 Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands. rrh...@earthlink.net http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/ http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi/ http://HakesEdStuff.blogspot.com/ REFERENCES Hake, R.R. 2009. Energy Efficiency, the Jevons Paradox, and the Elephant in the Room: Overpopulation #4, online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at http://tinyurl.com/yj2pmqp. Post of 20 Oct 2009 14:25:15 -0700 to AERA-L, Net-Gold, PhysLrnR, Physoc. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
RE: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q
No...sigh...my lashes are short and my eyes are green. Carol Carol L. DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 Phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: devoldercar...@sau.edu web: http://web.sau.edu/psychology/psychfaculty/cdevolder.htm The contents of this message are confidential and may not be shared with anyone without permission of the sender. -Original Message- From: Mark A. Casteel [mailto:ma...@psu.edu] Sent: Wed 10/21/2009 5:06 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q Carol - I just have to ask. Does your knowledge that the use of Latisse can makes ones blue eyes brown come from personal experience? :) Mark At 04:24 PM 10/21/2009, DeVolder Carol L wrote: I can answer the eye color question somewhat--eye color does change as one ages. Eyes tend to become less intense in their color (everything fades or shrivels as you age...). It isn't likely that one will change from brown eyes to blue eyes or vice versa (I know of no such event). However, I also find it interesting that the new product to make lashes grow (Latisse, which was originally developed to treat glaucoma) causes deposit of pigment and can actually make one's blue eyes brown, permanently. Carol Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University Davenport, Iowa 52803 phone: 563-333-6482 e-mail: devoldercar...@sau.edu -Original Message- From: tay...@sandiego.edu [mailto:tay...@sandiego.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:17 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] reply to bill and new student Q I completely miss the point of your response and will not be able to respond again until tomorrow. And drat! I had ANOTHER student question to post: Is it common or rare or even possible that eye color changes across the life span? I am merely suggesting that Hake makes a good point. Given that we have a background in the areas of the many factors that make for good educational practice why are we not the driving force in that are of research and literature? If you examine the literature on outcomes assessment it is dominated by the hard sciences. Yet, there can be no denial based on my own published research and the literature reviews therein, that we, as a discipline of psychology are doing a horrible job of disabusing students of the psychobabble they come into our courses with. We are perfectly happy to fill students up with the facts as we see them, and never pay any attention as to whether or not they have taken the false preconceptions and replaced them with correct conceptions. We pay no attention to pedagogies and teaching techniques that could benefit our discipline in the public eye, by doing so. And I guess for that matter maybe we should have better behaved pets and children Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu Original message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:14:18 -0400 From: William Scott wsc...@wooster.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Reclaiming TIPS To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu tay...@sandiego.edu 10/21/09 3:04 PM ... things like student learning outcomes, how best to effect assessments, and [why] are psychologists NOT at the forefront of this work? And psychologists should have well behaved dogs and children, too! Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) * Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Penn State York 1031 Edgecomb Ave. York, PA 17403 (717) 771-4028 * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)winmail.dat
[tips] TIPSTERS OF THE WEEK
CHRISTOPHER GREEN STEPHEN BLACK JAMES CLARK STUART McKELVIE ALLEN ESTERSON JOHN KULIG Congrats! Copies of Gilbert Ryle The nature of mind are on their way. MIchaelomnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] How to extinguish my perceived insulting posts
Do not totally ignore all my posts.Try sending me some feedback whether positive or negative on some of my ideas.About 97% of my posts are never responded to.Some tipsters change the subject line or do not even give me credit for initiating a thread. And it is not true that my posts are not relevant to psychology,maybe not keeping to the Eurocentric paradigm,but psychology nevertheless. I do not dig the idea of Tips being a community-we live in an individualistic culture. So tipsters start responding to some of my posts . If 3 weeks elapse without any response to any post,I mayinitiate plan B and I am sure I will get responses from Tipsville first responders Bob,Annette,Nancy,Don,Ken,Paul,Callen and the other first responders. This plan that I have proposed has a high probability of being effective. After all I am PhD. MichaelomnicentricSylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
[tips] Fw: John Dewey's birthday
Most people probably know of John Dewey's by the mentioning the Dewey decimal library system but what else did he invent? Michael --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)
