Geronimo using Jetty
Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo using Jetty
--- Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? Maybe because their top committers work with coredevelopers.net, and the Jetty Release Manager is a coredeveloper himself Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo using Jetty
Sorry, I forgot to post this link... http://jetty.mortbay.org/jetty/geronimo/index.html -- Sriram --- Sriram N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? Maybe because their top committers work with coredevelopers.net, and the Jetty Release Manager is a coredeveloper himself Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo using Jetty
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? History? Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Geronimo using Jetty
Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? Maybe because their top committers work with coredevelopers.net, and the Jetty Release Manager is a coredeveloper himself Maybe, but the Geronimo front page (http://incubator.apache.org/geronimo/index.html) says The aim of the project is to produce a large and healthy community of J2EE developers tasked with the development of an open source, certified J2EE server, that is ASF licensed and passes Sun's TCK reusing the best ASF/BSD licensed code available today and adding new code to complete the J2EE stack. Jetty is not ASF or BSD licensed, it's got its own license. This seems wrong to me. As an aside, every time I look at the Jetty web site I get annoyed at something else. Today's annoyance is the number of items on their powered by Jetty page (http://www.mortbay.com/mortbay/powered.html) that aren't powered by Jetty: Cactus? Cocoon? BrowserTunnel (decommissioned)? DieselPoint (mentions tomcat and other compatible servers, doesn't even mention Jetty)? The list goes on and on, I don't have time to get past D in the alphabet. And last time it was the 300K claim which they admitted on their list is false for any realistic context. I have to stop myself here, before I get too angry/frustrated. I just can't stand false advertising. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo using Jetty
jean-frederic clere wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? History? No politics reasons. It's sad to see that ASF didn't use its own servlet engine for a new project like Geronimo. And when you see that JBoss is using Tomcat It recall me the old age of micro-computers when all Atari's engeneers fly to Amiga whereas the Commodore engeneers goes to Atari... Even OSS organisations could be make strange choices - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Geronimo using Jetty
Yoav, How about some of the tomcat developers show up on the geronimo-dev@ list and start contributing. Last time i checked there is no one there who DOES NOT want a tomcat integration. They are just waiting for some of the tomcat-dev folks to show up and help :) -- dims --- Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? Maybe because their top committers work with coredevelopers.net, and the Jetty Release Manager is a coredeveloper himself Maybe, but the Geronimo front page (http://incubator.apache.org/geronimo/index.html) says The aim of the project is to produce a large and healthy community of J2EE developers tasked with the development of an open source, certified J2EE server, that is ASF licensed and passes Sun's TCK reusing the best ASF/BSD licensed code available today and adding new code to complete the J2EE stack. Jetty is not ASF or BSD licensed, it's got its own license. This seems wrong to me. As an aside, every time I look at the Jetty web site I get annoyed at something else. Today's annoyance is the number of items on their powered by Jetty page (http://www.mortbay.com/mortbay/powered.html) that aren't powered by Jetty: Cactus? Cocoon? BrowserTunnel (decommissioned)? DieselPoint (mentions tomcat and other compatible servers, doesn't even mention Jetty)? The list goes on and on, I don't have time to get past D in the alphabet. And last time it was the 300K claim which they admitted on their list is false for any realistic context. I have to stop myself here, before I get too angry/frustrated. I just can't stand false advertising. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Geronimo using Jetty
--- Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As an aside, every time I look at the Jetty web site I get annoyed at something else. Today's annoyance is the number of items on their powered by Jetty page (http://www.mortbay.com/mortbay/powered.html) that aren't powered by Jetty: Cactus? Cocoon? BrowserTunnel (decommissioned)? DieselPoint (mentions tomcat and other compatible servers, doesn't even mention Jetty)? The list goes on and on, I don't have time to get past D in the alphabet. And last time it was the 300K claim which they admitted on their list is false for any realistic context. I have to stop myself here, before I get too angry/frustrated. I just can't stand false advertising. They also use Jasper... http://jetty.mortbay.org/jetty/contributors.html Yoav Shapira - Sriram __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Geronimo using Jetty
Hi, How about some of the tomcat developers show up on the geronimo-dev@ list and start contributing. Last time i checked there is no one there who DOES NOT want a tomcat integration. They are just waiting for some of the tomcat-dev folks to show up and help :) I've subscribed to Geronimo-dev and will bring this up over there. That was my plan anyways, but I wanted to see if someone here knew anything about it first. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo using Jetty
--- Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Why is Geronimo using Jetty (presumably for servlets and maybe for HTTP connector) instead of Tomcat? History? No politics reasons. Like JBoss hires our Remy and therefore Geronimo (coredeveloper-based) does not use Tomcat ? It's sad to see that ASF didn't use its own servlet engine for a new project like Geronimo. I'm no committer, but I dare say that there's nothing to stop Tomcat Developers from helping out with Geronimo tomcat integration.. I'm subscribed to the Geronimo-dev list. From what I see, they're still learning the Apache-way of doing things. There are often mails that I'd consider frivolous, but there's some degree of development taking place too. They'd greatly benefit from the maturity and experience of Tomcat developers. There's lots that everyone in other projects can learn fromthe way Tomcat developers work. And when you see that JBoss is using Tomcat I can sense some undercurrent and some resentment in the discussions over the past hour or so, I guess it's something to do with some ASF decisions. (MT seemed wild at them - to put it mildly). I request you all to exercise restraint before taking any hasty decisions - Jakarta has benefitted greatly from Tomcat. Tomcat is indeed known as ASF's Java server... -- SRiram __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sriram N wrote: Like JBoss hires our Remy and therefore Geronimo (coredeveloper-based) does not use Tomcat ? Lol. I'm no committer, but I dare say that there's nothing to stop Tomcat Developers from helping out with Geronimo tomcat integration.. Sorry, I have no time (and think you are wasting yours) ;) Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo using Jetty
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Maybe, but the Geronimo front page (http://incubator.apache.org/geronimo/index.html) says The aim of the project is to produce a large and healthy community of J2EE developers tasked with the development of an open source, certified J2EE server, that is ASF licensed and passes Sun's TCK reusing the best ASF/BSD licensed code available today and adding new code to complete the J2EE stack. Jetty is not ASF or BSD licensed, it's got its own license. This seems wrong to me. As an aside, every time I look at the Jetty web site I get annoyed at something else. Today's annoyance is the number of items on their powered by Jetty page (http://www.mortbay.com/mortbay/powered.html) that aren't powered by Jetty: Cactus? Cocoon? BrowserTunnel (decommissioned)? DieselPoint (mentions tomcat and other compatible servers, doesn't even mention Jetty)? The list goes on and on, I don't have time to get past D in the alphabet. And last time it was the 300K claim which they admitted on their list is false for any realistic context. I have to stop myself here, before I get too angry/frustrated. I just can't stand false advertising. Indeed, we never make any claims ourselves (maybe a little bit more claims wouldn't hurt ;) ), except that we implement the specs (and the obligatory new features lists, because otherwise we would be deluged under what's new in 5.0 ? questions). Anyway, in addition to working for a competitor, I have problems advising people to invest time adapting Tomcat to Geronimo, as the initial assertion is that Jetty is the default container. Things which are added as a second thought never work (in JB land, we had to refactor stuff, and I envision more refactoring will occur to have a more integrated and manageable - ie, useful - stack), and there's a question of testing as fewer people will use it (which will undoubtedly give TC a bad name). But I suppose some people will one day see a use for it and will do it, and hopefully it will work well (itch = scratch). Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
