Re: [TriLUG] suse linux limits
Tanner Lovelace wrote: Out of curiosity, why are you using ext3 for a system like that when you admit it has serious limitations? Why not a filesystem like XFS who's maximum file systems size is 8 exabytes[1] (16 terrabytes on 32 bit linux systems because of os limitations). Because ext3 is all Red Hat supports. -- Trying to figure out what to do with big heavy and retired Sun servers in the Raleigh area? Drop me a note. -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] Interesting issue
IMHO,the crickets gives the user two possible answers: 1. The problem is too simple for anyone to bother answering. 2. The problem is too complex and no one knows the answer. Don't take it so personally. A lot of times it just means you asked the question at the wrong time... like when everyone is thinking about burgers or beer. Come to think of it, that's MOST of the time! Alan . -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] suse linux limits
Our company has only 56 people. Just in the last 3 months we have added 2 servers with 1.2TB each and a 16 slot LTO3 autoloader. One is a PE 2950 w/ 16GB ram, 2 x quad core Xeon, running VMware ESX Vi3 and the other runs ESX Ranger Pro and Backup Exec. Prior to this, our largest server storage was about 300GB. Ah the way small business can grow. :) We have an open Web Developer position, and I believe we are looking for 2 other tech related positions... I haven't been given the official specs, when I do, I'll post them. David On 2/17/07, Jason Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i realized big things like datafarms and email providers needed huge amounts of storage space (i assumed it is/mostly distributed), but didnt think the smaller side of the buissness world needed so much space On 2/17/07, David Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/17/07, James Olin Oden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You''d be amazed at some the storage requirements for some telco databases, especially regarding billing and auditing. Imagine the space required to store the setup traffic for all calls in a small telco to be later proccessed for auditing purposes. Indeed - _lots_ of storage needed for that believe me. Currently tending several multi-hundred million row databases related to this. Plus space for backups/replicas - lots of storage. David. -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/ -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/ -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] Return of BZFlag?
I'll vote for Thursdays... one more guitar class this month and then I'm dropping it for a while. :) On 2/16/07, Kevin Otte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there interest in resuming our nightly rounds of BZFlag? We used to do 21:15 Eastern. -- Kevin -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/ -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] suse linux limits
On 2/18/07, Magnus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tanner Lovelace wrote: Out of curiosity, why are you using ext3 for a system like that when you admit it has serious limitations? Why not a filesystem like XFS who's maximum file systems size is 8 exabytes[1] (16 terrabytes on 32 bit linux systems because of os limitations). Because ext3 is all Red Hat supports. Technically, that's what the installer gives for formatting options. The installer (the kernel running) supports JFS, XFS, and possibly others, and will allow you to install to those partitiions. I've had problems with making /boot xfs or jfs even though grub should support booting from those; I have to stick with ext2/3. I can't recall if the fedora install cd has those mkfs tools in rescue mode, but you can always use any of the popular rescue cds or live distributions to partition and format. -- Robert Dale -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] suse linux limits
Robert Dale wrote: Technically, that's what the installer gives for formatting options. The installer (the kernel running) supports JFS, XFS, and possibly others, and will allow you to install to those partitiions. And if I have any issues with the filesystem, Red Hat will tell me to pound sand. I did say I was running ext3 because that is all Red Hat supports. I was speaking of the company, who is bound to honor my support contracts, not the kernel itself. -- Showing off is the fool's idea of glory. - Bruce Lee's observations of people at TriLUG meetings who won't shut up and let the guest speaker talk -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] suse linux limits
On 2/18/07, Magnus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Dale wrote: Technically, that's what the installer gives for formatting options. The installer (the kernel running) supports JFS, XFS, and possibly others, and will allow you to install to those partitiions. And if I have any issues with the filesystem, Red Hat will tell me to pound sand. I did say I was running ext3 because that is all Red Hat supports. I was speaking of the company, who is bound to honor my support contracts, not the kernel itself. So, let me get this straight. Ext3 has problems with your large filesystems. You use Red Hat because they support it. However, they don't support the filesystem that would do what you want. So, why are you paying Red Hat to NOT support what you want to do? Cheers, Tanner -- Tanner Lovelace clubjuggler at gmail dot com http://wtl.wayfarer.org/ (fieldless) In fess two roundels in pale, a billet fesswise and an increscent, all sable. -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
[TriLUG] OT: Article on Google, Lenoir in Independant
FYI Joe -- Independant, Wed Feb 19, 2007, p18 How about a raffle to pay for Google Incentives Kirk Ross You might think that the rest of the country is looking askance at all the bristling over Google's incentives for its new server farm in Lenoir, but as Ed Cone recently pointed out on his blog (edcone.typepad.com/wordup) and his Sunday News and Record column, the way the company twisted arms among legislators runs a little counter to its whole don't be evil creed. Details of the deal continue to emerge and fascinate, including the use of a nonprofit set up by Caldwell County and funded by company cash to buy up the land, with Lenoir Mayor David Barlow and other officials personally making the rounds to homeowners to get them to sell. And the deal begins to look bigger than originally estimated, state Senate President Pro Tem Marc Basnight and roomie and finance chair Sen David Hoyle say they'll take a hard look at incentives, including some kind of cost-benefit analysis of recent incentive deals. While, as Hoyle said recently, a lot of these deals have been hold-your-nose-and-vote moments, there have to be some boundaries. In addition to the tax and infrastructure package, for instance, the deal also included no sales tax on electricity, and no sales tax on goods bought in North Carolina. Nice -- Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux! -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] Positions with Google in NC
Warning, this is one of those Aaron emails that goes on for ever. I actually wrote it in two sittings, it took so long. If you're not interested in the internals of Google compensation, you may safely stop reading now. bak wrote: Bear with me for a minute, I haven't discussed this with more than a couple people in the last six months, and I couldn't resist the opportunity to do so now. I'm always interested to hear other people's viewpoints, especially as I do around an interview or two a week, and yours was quite interesting. Do you mind if I ask you what position you interviewed for, which recruiter and which group? You said it was an SA position, I'm going to guess it was probably with SysOps (not to say anything bad about them at all, quite the contrary, just that it kinda doubt it was with our group or I would have heard about a guy from NC). If you want to elaborate on this I'd be happy to take this portion of the conversation off-list as well. As someone who was offered an SA job at Google last year and turned it down, I would describe my experience with the Google interview process as prolonged (i.e. about 3 months) and somewhat aggravating, consisting of two phone screens, followed by an on-site interview of epic length, during which I was grilled in half a dozen hour-long interviews on various UNIX, scripting, networking, and SA-related topics at a depth of something like 300 meters. No offense intended, but what we generally tend to look for in candidates is the type of person who thinks what you just described is a fun and enjoyable thing, as opposed to the grilling you seemed to interpret it as. Perhaps that's the fault of the interviewers (occasionally certain people can be a bit harsh if they're having a bad day, but in my experience that's pretty rare, we only do much interviewing if we enjoy it). Ideally, the chance to consider things you may not have thought about before like scaling a given task up to work on 10,000+ machines, or the internals of how a file system works, or the ramifications of how various networking implementations do packet delivery... should be an interesting and fun way to spend a day. We've also been working on reducing the time it takes to get from one end of the interview process to the other. 3 months is a good bit longer than we'd like it to take, and we've got a lot of changes going on internally to improve that. I think, particularly for the Lenoir positions, we'll see a lot shorter turn around times on the whole process. I must have acquitted myself fairly well, because they offered me the job. But the fact that they had free food, drinks, and scooby snacks didn't really make up, in my mind, for their middling salary offer -- the recruiter even told me at the interview that they compensate for the salary with their benefits, free ski trips, free food and t-shirts, etc. This is an argument that would have pulled more weight with me had I been just out of college, but not so much at this stage in my life. And the We're Google factor didn't make up for the fact that none of the techie interviewers made the time to answer my questions about what working at Google was like, except for the last guy, who reluctantly gave me five minutes. Career path? Work environment? We're Google! Our benefits are great! Don't ask questions, we have to double our workforce next year! Perhaps this is not an unreasonable attitude to encounter at a company like Google, but I have to admit that it worried me a great deal. So, base salary isn't what one might typically expect. And even from the offer letter, it's sometimes hard to make an accurate assessment of what the compensation package provided by Google really is. Having been in exactly your shoes, I'll describe my reasoning, and what I learned after the fact. As you may have noted from the 3rd link I provided, how the compensation would work out was very much on my mind when I left the interview as well. I was quite concerned at the cost of living, especially as I looked at housing in the valley. I set my baseline as what I'd like to make, was 2x my current salary in RTP. I decided if I got at least 1.5x my current salary in RTP, that I'd still happily accept with out any questions. 1.3x my salary in NC and I'd have to talk with the wife about it, but probably decline, as it would mean living on a bit of a tight budget. What I ended up being offered was a base salary of around 1.2x of my salary in RTP, plus some other stocks, annual bonus, etc. (For reference, my salary in RTP was quite healthy for the time, it was about 2x what I was making 6 months before that). We sat down and made some tough decisions about moving out to CA, but decided we could make it work on that base salary alone. The deciding factor for me, at the time, was that if we could make it work financially, it would be worth it to work with such amazingly intelligent and talented people. Fast forward ~20
Re: [TriLUG] Positions with Google in NC
Aaron, thank you so much for your thoughtful contributions to this thread. I've personally found it very interesting to read, from both sides. Just an unsolicited $0.02: Aaron S. Joyner wrote: So, base salary isn't what one might typically expect. And even from the offer letter, it's sometimes hard to make an accurate assessment of what the compensation package provided by Google really is. Bang. Right there you've got a big red flag for geeks that are further along in their careers... maybe someone like me who is supporting a wife three kids. Guys like me would much rather have a sure thing that may or may not be less than an income that can vary widely depending on how your own performance is perceived, how the company performance is measured by the bean counters, and how the compensation plan itself is inevitably going to be restructured as the company matures. A lot of us got burned, badly, during the heady dot-com years when so much of our compensation was based off of company performance, stock options, and so on. These days, it is a lot more attractive to be able to bank on getting $X per paycheck rather than a substantially lower number with *potential* for a balloon payment annually of unknown value. These flexible compensation packages are probably more attractive to people right out of school, dual income families, single adults, or childless couples. I do think that this sort of package would tend to repel breadwinners from single income families or families with a number of children. -Magnus -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] Positions with Google in NC
Magnus wrote: Aaron, thank you so much for your thoughtful contributions to this thread. I've personally found it very interesting to read, from both sides. Just an unsolicited $0.02: Aaron S. Joyner wrote: So, base salary isn't what one might typically expect. And even from the offer letter, it's sometimes hard to make an accurate assessment of what the compensation package provided by Google really is. Bang. Right there you've got a big red flag for geeks that are further along in their careers... maybe someone like me who is supporting a wife three kids. Guys like me would much rather have a sure thing that may or may not be less than an income that can vary widely depending on how your own performance is perceived, how the company performance is measured by the bean counters, and how the compensation plan itself is inevitably going to be restructured as the company matures. A lot of us got burned, badly, during the heady dot-com years when so much of our compensation was based off of company performance, stock options, and so on. These days, it is a lot more attractive to be able to bank on getting $X per paycheck rather than a substantially lower number with *potential* for a balloon payment annually of unknown value. These flexible compensation packages are probably more attractive to people right out of school, dual income families, single adults, or childless couples. I do think that this sort of package would tend to repel breadwinners from single income families or families with a number of children. I have to concur with Magnus here. The job I had as an SA before this one regularly came with a base bonus of 20%. I always made at least that. Why did I hate getting a bonus, then? Because when you accept it in lieu of being paid a salary -- as deferred compensation, or what-have-you -- it is no longer a bonus. It's if-we-feel-like-it salary on the part of management. If they take it away -- and they won't hesitate to do so, if they really need to -- boom, you're suddenly working for WAY below market rate for your skills, and good luck convincing your next company that you're worth (your salary) * (1.bonus). Will this happen at Google? Damned if I know -- and that's the point. But this is just a feeling on my part, based on my experience; Aaron obviously feels that it was well worth the risk, and I certainly can't say he was wrong. So: I did not consider bonuses as a numerical part of my salary at the jobs I was considering in 2006, as all the companies I had an interest in were large (more than a couple thousand) and publicly traded. I might consider it for a small, flat company where I had a distinct and measurable influence as an employee. Guess what I heard? No bonus for IT in 2006 at my old company. I hated to be proved right for the sake of my ex-co-workers. Perhaps working there had this cynical influence on my attitude which you all in TriLUG land are probably contrasting with Aaron's at this very moment. Aaron, you made a bunch of other interesting and valid points which I will respond to at some point in the near future. Any other almost-was Googlers on the list? I'm getting quite curious, now. -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] Positions with Google in NC
bak wrote: Magnus wrote: Aaron, thank you so much for your thoughtful contributions to this thread. I've personally found it very interesting to read, from both sides. Just an unsolicited $0.02: Aaron S. Joyner wrote: So, base salary isn't what one might typically expect. And even from the offer letter, it's sometimes hard to make an accurate assessment of what the compensation package provided by Google really is. Bang. Right there you've got a big red flag for geeks that are further along in their careers... maybe someone like me who is supporting a wife three kids. Guys like me would much rather have a sure thing that may or may not be less than an income that can vary widely depending on how your own performance is perceived, how the company performance is measured by the bean counters, and how the compensation plan itself is inevitably going to be restructured as the company matures. A lot of us got burned, badly, during the heady dot-com years when so much of our compensation was based off of company performance, stock options, and so on. These days, it is a lot more attractive to be able to bank on getting $X per paycheck rather than a substantially lower number with *potential* for a balloon payment annually of unknown value. These flexible compensation packages are probably more attractive to people right out of school, dual income families, single adults, or childless couples. I do think that this sort of package would tend to repel breadwinners from single income families or families with a number of children. I have to concur with Magnus here. The job I had as an SA before this one regularly came with a base bonus of 20%. I always made at least that. Why did I hate getting a bonus, then? Because when you accept it in lieu of being paid a salary -- as deferred compensation, or what-have-you -- it is no longer a bonus. It's if-we-feel-like-it salary on the part of management. If they take it away -- and they won't hesitate to do so, if they really need to -- boom, you're suddenly working for WAY below market rate for your skills, and good luck convincing your next company that you're worth (your salary) * (1.bonus). Will this happen at Google? Damned if I know -- and that's the point. But this is just a feeling on my part, based on my experience; Aaron obviously feels that it was well worth the risk, and I certainly can't say he was wrong. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was simply saying that I did take a hard look at the base salary, and the other unlikely-to-change benefits of the team I would be working with, etc - and decided that was enough for me to make the decision to move to CA and work for Google. It was only after-the-fact, that I figured out that it was even possible that my monetary compensation would be in the realm where I would be grinning from ear to ear, instead of simply happy and making a good living. :) As for the stable paycheck vs unstable compensation thoughts, I'm definitely not in the has a large family to support category. I honestly don't think I would have uprooted my family and moved 3,000 miles across the country if my wife and I had kids. The opportunity came at just the right time in my life, and for that I am grateful. On the flip side, I come from a rather conservative family, and have a very conservative financial mindset. I have been in a position where I was essentially running a small business doing consulting work, with a truly unstable source of income. It's not a job I would look forward to doing again until I'm independently wealthy. :) If it comes down to personal advice, I would suggest doing as I did, and ensure you can make the monthly budget work on the offered base salary, and nothing else. The rest is icing on the cake. It's just a matter of considering which icing you'd rather have, a few extra K guaranteed per year, or a really awesome group of guys to work with and the possibility of huge truckloads of cash. :) At least that's my world view, Aaron S. Joyner So: I did not consider bonuses as a numerical part of my salary at the jobs I was considering in 2006, as all the companies I had an interest in were large (more than a couple thousand) and publicly traded. I might consider it for a small, flat company where I had a distinct and measurable influence as an employee. Guess what I heard? No bonus for IT in 2006 at my old company. I hated to be proved right for the sake of my ex-co-workers. Perhaps working there had this cynical influence on my attitude which you all in TriLUG land are probably contrasting with Aaron's at this very moment. Aaron, you made a bunch of other interesting and valid points which I will respond to at some point in the near future. Any other almost-was Googlers on the list? I'm getting quite curious, now. -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ :
Re: [TriLUG] Positions with Google in NC
Aaron S. Joyner wrote: Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was simply saying that I did take a hard look at the base salary, and the other unlikely-to-change benefits of the team I would be working with, etc - and decided that was enough for me to make the decision to move to CA and work for Google. It was only after-the-fact, that I figured out that it was even possible that my monetary compensation would be in the realm where I would be grinning from ear to ear, instead of simply happy and making a good living. :) You're totally right -- you did say that. My apologies if I misrepresented you there; I was more agreeing with Magnus than disputing your decision-making process. It's just a matter of considering which icing you'd rather have, a few extra K guaranteed per year, or a really awesome group of guys to work with and the possibility of huge truckloads of cash. :) Sergey and Larry are the ones with the huge truckloads of cash. The opportunity for huge truckloads of cash is not to be found at a post-IPO company. ;) --bak -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
Re: [TriLUG] Positions with Google in NC
bak wrote: Aaron S. Joyner wrote: Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was simply saying that I did take a hard look at the base salary, and the other unlikely-to-change benefits of the team I would be working with, etc - and decided that was enough for me to make the decision to move to CA and work for Google. It was only after-the-fact, that I figured out that it was even possible that my monetary compensation would be in the realm where I would be grinning from ear to ear, instead of simply happy and making a good living. :) You're totally right -- you did say that. My apologies if I misrepresented you there; I was more agreeing with Magnus than disputing your decision-making process. It's just a matter of considering which icing you'd rather have, a few extra K guaranteed per year, or a really awesome group of guys to work with and the possibility of huge truckloads of cash. :) Sergey and Larry are the ones with the huge truckloads of cash. The opportunity for huge truckloads of cash is not to be found at a post-IPO company. ;) --bak No, that's airplane-loads of cash(1). :) I don't expect to become a millionaire while working at Google. I'm just tickled pink to be working on one of the world's largest computing infrastructures, with some of the world's smartest people, and making a daily difference in the world of Google. Aaron S. Joyner 1: http://valleywag.com/tech/larry-and-sergey/sergey-and-larrys-google-jet-mapped-185809.php -- TriLUG mailing list: http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/
