Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Lance Muir



I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' 
on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of 
years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was 
in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the 
  Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance 
  Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our 
store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be 
surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT 
JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know 
nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance then 
  you need to be weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if 
  the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??
  
  
  
  


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You 
are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', 
as you put it.



From: Judy 
Taylor 

  
  
  
  Sure glad you are 
  keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what 
  we 
  
  
  would do if 
  we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in 
  trouble then ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is 
  a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  
  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
   What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
  China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the 
  mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in 
  the USA! (3 million 
  manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many 
  more to come).  - Original Message - 
   From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
      holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
We have been watching the news lately, plus getting 
  some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the 
  world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is  
   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
   Target and   home depot stop advertising 
  Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you 
  walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with 
"Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target 
  stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers  
   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers 
  and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but 
  then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there 
  is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If 
  they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip 
  service.   Besides that, we need to get the 
  beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove 
  the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  
  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not 
  have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid. 
Why not take the family to church? What am I 
  missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my 
  mind. "If you do not  love me   more than 
  mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be 
Mine.   Do the rest of you get 
  worked up or nauseous over this? Is there
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your 
  thoughts?  Terry  --  &qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread knpraise

:-)-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:08:08 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.



From: Judy Taylor 




Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 


would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd really

be in trouble then ...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers &
gt;  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be  
 Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Christine Miller
Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined'   on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of   years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was   in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours.
 - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our   store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be   surprised to know just how
 dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT   JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know   nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message -   From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41Subject:  
   Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance   MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You   are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs',   as you put it.From: Judy   Taylor   Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we  
   would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd reallybe in trouble then ...On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32
 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy         holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or
 "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that  
 people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more t

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Lance Muir



No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your 
teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the 
similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 
'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

 Original Message - 

  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, 
  Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' 
on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple 
of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The 
other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a 
couple of hours. 

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the 
  Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance 
  Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our 
store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You 
may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. 
It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular 
to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their 
neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance 
  then you need to be weeping between the porch and 
  the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that 
  if the US goes down - Canada will be left 
  standing??
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. 
You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 
'tabs', as you put it.



From: 
Judy Taylor 


  
  
  
  Sure glad you are 
  keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what 
  we 
  
  
  would 
  do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in 
  trouble then ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular 
  republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans 
  means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
   What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
  China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling 
  the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  
  'made in the USA! (3 million 
  manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  
  many more to come).  - Original Message 
  -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
          holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
We have been watching the news lately, plus 
  getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems 
  that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It 
  is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as 
  Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
  advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  
  "Holiday   
  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
   salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or 
  "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as 
  to   run the Salvation army off it's property. 
  No buckets or bell  ringers   there 
  

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Christine Miller
No, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a  progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't  take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political  leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from  Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our  discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam.  She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several  Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and  it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is  to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the  oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for  irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is  evil. Our military
 strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better  than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies  terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not  irrational. Lance wrote:  Do you see the   similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a   'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes.  I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I  believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm  Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested  in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you  are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a  murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the  World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things,
 and the Koran  does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the  dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is  channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your   teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the   similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a   'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original
 Message -   From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined'   on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple   of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The   other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a   couple of hours.   - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our   store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You   may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada.   It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular   to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their   neighbour)- Original Message -   From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance   MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy.   You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Lance Muir



'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on 
TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are 
Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  
militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO 
obviously).

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  No, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher 
  calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are 
  typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are 
  vry Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She 
  converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the 
  US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional 
  Islam. She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several 
  Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of 
  terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. 
  She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our 
  troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear 
  that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate 
  America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. 
  Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we 
  changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the 
  terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you see the similarities between a 
  'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything 
  else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical 
  religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus 
  Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm 
  Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in 
  truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If 
  you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without 
  holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the 
  Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the 
  Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the 
  dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, 
  but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of 
  the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  

No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your 
teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the 
similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 
'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

 Original Message - 

  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 11, 2005 13:45
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, 
  Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is 
  Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' 
on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last 
couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly 
gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us 
chatted for a couple of hours. 

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of 
  the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to 
  go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited 
our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly 
that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country 
is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are 
sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world 
(including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Christine Miller
Lance wrote:  their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of Christianity.   Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on   TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are   Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhismmilitant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO   obviously).  - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam.
 She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical
 religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your   teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the   similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a   'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message -   From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons
 greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined'   on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last   couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly  
 gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us   chatted for a couple of hours.   - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the
 Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited   our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly   that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country   is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are   sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world   (including their neighbour

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Terry Clifton




Obviously..

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  'People get passionate
about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally
your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to
radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where
their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).






Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Terry Clifton




Hey!! If I hate enough people and know less than the students, can I
be a teecher too?
Sounds like one screwed up cookie, not necessarily an Oreo.
Terry


Christine Miller wrote:

  No, I have not read Bernard Lewis.
  
Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a
progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't
take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political
leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from
Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our
discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam.
She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several
Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. 
  
The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and
it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is
to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the
oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for
irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is
evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better
than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies
terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not
irrational. 
  
Lance wrote:
  Do you see the similarities between a
'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything
else?
  
I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes.
I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I
believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm
Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested
in truth or righteousness.
  
But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you
are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a
murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the
World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the Koran
does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the
dangerousness of the Koran.
  
People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is
channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on
Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed?
Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim
and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

 Original Message - 

  From:
  Christine
Miller 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
December 11, 2005 13:45
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues,
Lance?
  
I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being
'examined' on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets'
in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional
but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a
group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 

  -
Original Message - 
  From:
  Christine Miller 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the
gifts of the Spirit.
  
(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  




I actually do, Judy. A
prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said
exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your
country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks
are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world
(including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From:
  Judy Taylor 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Cc:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write
here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??
  
   
  


From: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread ShieldsFamily








Yeah, those radical/fundamentalist
Liberals are Dangerous!!! iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
12:53 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







No/yes











Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a
Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities
between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist'
anything else?











 Original Message - 







From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 11, 2005
13:45





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?

I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



I do, Christine.











Which courses are you being 'examined' on?











PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years.
Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the
store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 







- Original Message - 





From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
20:23





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.

(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of
the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

















If you really believe what
you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??



















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.









From: Judy Taylor










Sure glad you are keeping up
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 







would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really









be in trouble then ...









On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday

  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Terry Clifton




Uh, I think that's UF. FSU is in Tallahassee.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

  
  

  

  
  
  
  Those are
some tough tongues youre
taking at FSU, Christine! 
  
  
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christine Miller
  Sent: Sunday, December
11, 2005
12:45 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues,
Lance?
  
I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 
  
  Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I do, Christine.
  
  
  
  
  
  Which courses are you
being 'examined' on?
  
  
  
  
  
  PS:I've met three
'prophets' in the last couple of years.
Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other
was in the
store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of
hours. 
  
  

- Original Message
- 


From: Christine
Miller 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org



Sent: December 10, 2005
20:23


Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Lance, I didn't know you believed in the
gifts of the Spirit.

(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)

Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 

I
actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised
to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the
other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the
rest of
the world (including their neighbour)





- Original Message - 


  
  From: Judy
Taylor
  
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41
  
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  If
you really believe what
you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and
the
  
  
  altar
for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US
goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??
  
  
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy.
You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.




From: Judy
Taylor




  
  Sure glad
you are keeping up
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 
  
  
  
  would do if we didn't
have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really
  
  
  
  
  be in trouble then ...
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005
08:40:32 -0500 "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned
stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some
stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be
found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart,
Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start
advertising 
 "Holiday
  
  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings".
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell
  
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores
are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned
  
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye
before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas
  
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services
"So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families". That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words 

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread ShieldsFamily








Oh, sorry!











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
3:59 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Uh, I think that's UF. FSU is in Tallahassee.

ShieldsFamily wrote: 

Those
are some tough tongues youre taking at FSU, Christine! 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Christine Miller
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
12:45 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?

I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



I do, Christine.











Which courses are you being 'examined' on?











PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of
years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was
in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of
hours. 







- Original Message - 





From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December
10, 2005 20:23





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the
Spirit.

(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada.
It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to
know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December
10, 2005 14:41





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

















If you really believe what
you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US
goes down - Canada
will be left standing??



















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.









From: Judy Taylor










Sure glad you are keeping up
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 







would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really









be in trouble then ...









On Sat, 10 Dec 2005
08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday

  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
IMO it is you that hates your Caricatured Fundamentalists!  If there is hate in you there is no room for God.I do not hate anybody for your information.  Apparently you are very confused  thin skinned.Could you draw us a list of all the similarities between Bin Laden and the early 20th century Baptist  presbyterian Fundamentalist preachers?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO
 obviously).- Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry
 Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you
 see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message - From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays,
 seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
BINGO!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Lance wrote:their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of Christianity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).- Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
 holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are
 Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil
 things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message - From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial
 Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down,
 one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most
 yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.   
 From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
In your Opinion do such statements border on Libel?Lance Muir wrote: 'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread knpraise

Ooo, you betcha !!! And there are a lotof these little headhunters still running around !!

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:56:37 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



All those early 20th centuryBaptist  Presbyterian Fundamentalist preachers are just like BIN Laden EH?
So similar it is Stunning,
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

 Original Message - 

From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.



From: Judy Taylor 




Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 


would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd really

be in trouble then ...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers 
  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be 
  Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your spe

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Christine Miller
I think I'm starting to understand what you mean  by "drive by," and you're right. Being a full-time student and having a  job leaves me with too little time to make my stay on TT worthwhile. I'm signing off indefinately. Next semester will be even worse. Calculus 2, Statistics, Finance, oh my.JD wrote:  get the point ...No. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Another successful drive by . Thanks  Christine for your judgment on this matter. I shall avoid Lance  in the future , and dean for differing reasons, and you, for  ditto, andDMfor still other reasons, and Judy for you know  what, and Linda for who knows what and and and  --get the point
 jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:27:52 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masBINGO!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote:their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of Christianity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'People get passionate  about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally  your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to  radicals that'd be found in Islam,
 Sikhism  militant Zionism where  their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).- Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my  teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive  Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the 
 Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She  is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She  is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class,  she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer  almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the  class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism  was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She  is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our  troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it  very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational  reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our  military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than  another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies  terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not  irrational.
 Lance wrote:Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I  see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I  call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I  believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm  Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested  in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is  darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And  passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion  that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man  is full of evil things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to  all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its tradition  s, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness.
 That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam?  Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you  see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a  'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message - From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the  last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but,  highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a  group of us
 chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  
 I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited  our

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Judy Taylor



Oh Christine, you don't need to be that drastic do 
you?
Your "so called" drive bys are a whole lot more 
encouraging to some of us than half a page of
nonsensical words by some others I can think of but who 
will be nameless here. You will be missed. But I
do understand how stressful exam time at college can 
be.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:56:21 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I think I'm starting to understand what you mean by "drive 
  by," and you're right. Being a full-time student and having a job leaves me 
  with too little time to make my stay on TT worthwhile. I'm signing off 
  indefinately. Next semester will be even worse. Calculus 2, Statistics, 
  Finance, oh my.JD wrote:get the point ...No. 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Another successful drive by . Thanks Christine 
for your judgment on this matter. I shall avoid Lance in the 
future , and dean for differing reasons, and you, for ditto, 
andDMfor still other reasons, and Judy for you know what, and 
Linda for who knows what and and and --get the point 


jd-Original Message-From: Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:27:52 -0800 
    (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, 
X-mas



BINGO!Christine Miller 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  Lance wrote:their 'faith 
  _expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of 
  Christianity. Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
'People get passionate about..traditions' 
Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as 
persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in 
Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' 
borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 11, 2005 14:16
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  No, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my 
  teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive 
  Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the 
  Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She 
  is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She 
  is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, 
  she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer 
  almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the 
  class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism 
  was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. 
  She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for 
  our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made 
  it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational 
  reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our 
  military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than 
  another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies 
  terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. 
  Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you 
  see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 
  'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a 
  difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I call 
  myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I 
  believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm 
  Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested 
  in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is 
  darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And 
  passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion 
  that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man 
  is full of evil things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to 
  all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the 
  Koran.People get passionate about its tradition s, but their 
  passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of 
  the Koran.Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? 
Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do 
you see the similaritie

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-11 Thread Christine Miller
haha That's OK. I think Dean referencing to the University of Miami in his posts. At least you both got the state correct.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Oh, sorry!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  Behalf Of Terry Clifton  Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005  3:59 PM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy  holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUh, I think that's UF. FSU is in Tallahassee.ShieldsFamily wrote: Those  are some tough tongues youre taking at FSU, Christine! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  On Behalf Of Christine Miller  Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005  12:45 PM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy  holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of  years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was  in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of  hours. - Original Message - From: Christine  Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: December  10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re:  [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the  Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week  ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know  just how dependent your country is on Canada.  It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to  know
 nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: December  10, 2005 14:41Subject: Re:  [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what  you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar
 for us down here. Do you really  think that if the US  goes down - Canada  will be left standing??From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  On Behalf Of Lance Muir  No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including  Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.From: Judy Taylor  Sure glad you are keeping up  with our economy Lance. Don't know what we would do if we didn't have the Canadians  keeping tabs on us. We'd really
be in trouble then ...On Sat, 10 Dec 2005  08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:   Upset? No! Why? USA  is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!Morepagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.They,Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.No more'made in the USA!  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 andmany,many more to come).  - Original Message -From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20   Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff bye-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising"Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted bysalespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings".  Target stores went sofar as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bellringers there anymore.This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaimingChrist should be, but then you must
 remember that the reason these stores arethere is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentionedChrist mas, it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before wetry to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmasfalls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not h

[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton


We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start 
advertising Holiday sales.  When you walk in the stores you are 
greeted by salespeople with Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  
Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's 
property.  No buckets or bell ringers there anymore.
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned 
Christ mas, it would only be lip service.


Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try 
to remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls 
on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that 
people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s 
stupid.  Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me 
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine.


Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there 
something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?

Terry
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
I will start calling it the "Holiday season", when they start Selling "Holiday Trees" around the 4th of July Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore.This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the
 reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service.Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine.Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?Terry--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir
Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.


What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, 
Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 
'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, 
many more to come).


- Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, 
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is 
bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and 
home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising Holiday 
sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with 
Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to 
run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers 
there anymore.
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should 
be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is 
not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas, 
it would only be lip service.


Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to 
remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on 
Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that 
people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s stupid. 
Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me 
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be 
Mine.


Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there 
something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?

Terry
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may 
know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in
 the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming
 Christ should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your
 speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir



Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the 
thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other 
than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?

PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say 
the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, 
is he just a jingoist?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
  
  With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more 
  people with whom to share/live the gospel."
  
  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
  many, many more to come).
  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always 
  been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Upset? 
No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means 
more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one 
to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones 
suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! 
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to 
come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: 
December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons 
greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news 
lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the 
world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when 
all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home 
depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday 
 sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople 
with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so 
far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or 
bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the 
preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you 
must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to 
proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  
it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get 
the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from 
their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, 
that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend 
time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not 
take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of 
Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more 
than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  
Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over 
this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your 
thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be 
always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you 
ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  
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will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be 
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RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ShieldsFamily

By your logic, Lance, we should hope for the whole world to be lost so that
we have more people to share the gospel with???  And how are we going to
do that if words like Christ and Christmas are verboten?

PS You forgot to mention the manufacturing jobs that were added (not in your
stats).  Iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:41 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.

What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, 
Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more

'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, 
many more to come).

 - Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



 We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, 
 and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is 
 bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and

 home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising Holiday

 sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with 
 Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to 
 run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers 
 there anymore.
 This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should

 be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is 
 not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas, 
 it would only be lip service.

 Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to 
 remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on 
 Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that 
 people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s stupid.

 Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
 The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me 
 more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be 
 Mine.

 Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there 
 something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?
 Terry
 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may 
 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
 http://www.InnGlory.org

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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir
Wake up and smell the coffee, Iz. I desire no such thing. Your response, 
similar to Kevin's response, is just a cry of fantasy (Say it ain't so 
Joe!). Should you wish to prepare grandchildren for the 'new world (order)' 
then begin to acquaint yourself with reality. Go to the library and pick up 
'China Inc.' by Ted Fishman.


How many manufacturing jobs were added over the same time span? You live in 
a knowledge-based economy. You are not turning out many younger women to 
fill the jobs in this sector. As you know Iz, guys and a lost cause when it 
comes to education.



- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 09:22
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




By your logic, Lance, we should hope for the whole world to be lost so 
that

we have more people to share the gospel with???  And how are we going to
do that if words like Christ and Christmas are verboten?

PS You forgot to mention the manufacturing jobs that were added (not in 
your

stats).  Iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:41 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.

What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They,
Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No 
more


'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many,
many more to come).

- Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is
bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target 
and


home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
Holiday



sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with
Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to
run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers
there anymore.
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
should



be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is
not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas,
it would only be lip service.

Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to
remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on
Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that
people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s 
stupid.



Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be
Mine.

Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there
something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?
Terry
--
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know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread knpraise

But they have all those damned demon children  SAVE YOUR SELVES. Hide!!!-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when
 all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not take the family to church? What am 
I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -
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RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance you SAID,  More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the
gospel. You are the one in fantasy world. 

Generally speaking, manufacturing jobs are on-the-job training types of
jobs.  No college education required. But America is entering a new age
where information is the product more than manufacturing, which is
increasingly be taken over by third world countries (it's a big step up for
them.) iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:31 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Wake up and smell the coffee, Iz. I desire no such thing. Your response, 
similar to Kevin's response, is just a cry of fantasy (Say it ain't so 
Joe!). Should you wish to prepare grandchildren for the 'new world (order)' 
then begin to acquaint yourself with reality. Go to the library and pick up 
'China Inc.' by Ted Fishman.

How many manufacturing jobs were added over the same time span? You live in 
a knowledge-based economy. You are not turning out many younger women to 
fill the jobs in this sector. As you know Iz, guys and a lost cause when it 
comes to education.


- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 09:22
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



 By your logic, Lance, we should hope for the whole world to be lost so 
 that
 we have more people to share the gospel with???  And how are we going to
 do that if words like Christ and Christmas are verboten?

 PS You forgot to mention the manufacturing jobs that were added (not in 
 your
 stats).  Iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:41 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

 Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.

 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They,
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No 
 more

 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many,
 many more to come).

 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



 We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,
 and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is
 bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target 
 and

 home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday

 sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with
 Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to
 run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers
 there anymore.
 This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
 should

 be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is
 not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas,
 it would only be lip service.

 Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to
 remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on
 Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that
 people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s 
 stupid.

 Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
 The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me
 more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be
 Mine.

 Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there
 something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?
 Terry
 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
 http://www.InnGlory.org

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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
The dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows!  No end in sight!  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas.   Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin.  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh? 
   Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUpset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate
 nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.
 It is  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend
 time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).  So lets all quit our jobs and go to China.  We can evangelize the PAGANS  And there are great opportunities in manufacturing in OUTER MONGOLIA  They are hiring ASSEMBLY workers to INSERT the MOLDED BLACK PLASTIC DIAL on those FIVE DOLLAR Transitor RADIOS. It's NOT JUST A JOB itis a Career in ELECTRONICS! Great careers in sales too selling inventory to the dollar stores.  -Original Message-From: Lance Muir
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It
 is  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time with their families". That,
 to me, is s stupid.  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. - -"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir



You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, your 
country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two 
weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your 
nation is becoming.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  The dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru 
  the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep 
  counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those 
  CA$H cows!
  No end in sight!
  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left behind 
  just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial 
  revolution.
  
  It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US
  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. 
  Nobody cried please we want NAFTA
  
  In spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the 
  STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your 
  skin.
  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your 
  jealous!
  
  What is so great about Canaduh?
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate 
the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, 
other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to 
highlite?

PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you 
say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy 
out or, is he just a jingoist?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
  More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
  
  With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for 
  "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."
  
  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 
  and many, many more to come).
  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has 
  always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Upset? 
No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans 
means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then 
ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, 
are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 
'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: 
"Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 
    08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, 
X-mas We have been watching the news lately, 
plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world 
we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when 
all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home 
depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday 
 sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". 
Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's 
property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. 
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these 
stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. 
If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip 
service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of 
our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It 
seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many 
churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time 
with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not 
take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of 
Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more 
than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be 
 Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or 
nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I 
too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- 
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may 
 know how you ought

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am enjoying the fruits of my labor and the Booming Knowledge Economy.  Salaries are on the Increase and opportunity abounds!  The view Of Niagara Fallsfrom my 19th Floor corner office aint bad either!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, your country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your nation is becoming.- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masThe dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows!  No end in sight!  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the
 "Global economy" on the US  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas.   Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin.  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite? 
   PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
 Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in
 the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming
 Christ should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your
 speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be s

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir



I won't call you a LIAR, Kevin. It'd be 
inappropriate to address you as a LIAR. I have every confidence that you are 
known as a truth teller and not a LIAR.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 12:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  I am enjoying the fruits of my labor and the Booming Knowledge 
  Economy.
  Salaries are on the Increase and opportunity abounds!
  The view Of Niagara Fallsfrom my 19th Floor corner office aint bad 
  either!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, 
your country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, 
every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of 
that which your nation is becoming.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  The dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right 
  thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming 
  we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just 
  love those CA$H cows!
  No end in sight!
  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left 
  behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial 
  revolution.
  
  It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the 
  US
  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. 
  Nobody cried please we want NAFTA
  
  In spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the 
  STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under 
  your skin.
  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. 
  Your jealous!
  
  What is so great about Canaduh?
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to 
appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about 
the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend 
to highlite?

PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can 
you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this 
poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 
  08:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
  More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the 
gospel.
  
  With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation 
  for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."
  
  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 
  2003 and many, many more to come).
  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has 
  always been.Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Upset? 
No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the 
gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the 
aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million 
manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to 
come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 
    08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, 
X-mas We have been watching the news lately, 
plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the 
world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad 
enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target 
and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start 
advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores 
you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or 
"Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run 
the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers 
 there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers 
and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you must 
remember that t

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir



No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo 
without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 12:57
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. 
  Don't know what we
  would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs 
  on us. We'd really
  be in trouble then ...
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A 
  CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to 
  share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note 
  of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones 
  suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  
  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  
  many,  many more to come).  - Original 
  Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas We have 
  been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail, 
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be 
  found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, 
  such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
  advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday  
   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  
  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". 
  Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   
  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners 
  proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must 
  remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not 
  to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ 
  mas,   it would only be lip service.   
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  
  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since 
  Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches 
  will not have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.  
   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? 
   The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
   love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother 
  (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there 
 something here I don't see? Am I too 
  critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  
  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
  salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every 
  man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
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  will be subscribed. -- 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
What in the world would I be Lying about?Do you have Any CLUE??  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I won't call you a LIAR, Kevin. It'd be inappropriate to address you as a LIAR. I have every confidence that you are known as a truth teller and not a LIAR.- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 12:48  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masI am enjoying the fruits of my labor and the Booming Knowledge Economy.  Salaries are on the Increase and opportunity abounds!  The view Of Niagara Fallsfrom my 19th Floor corner office aint bad either!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You, Kevin, may be a Third
 Rate NOTHING, but, your country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your nation is becoming.- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masThe dot com search engine business has
 been growing like crazy right thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows!  No end in sight!  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas.   Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin.  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?Lance Muir
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUpset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance
 Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when all the big merchants,
 such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s
 stupid.  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  somethin

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ShieldsFamily








You are in deep doodoo, he
cries while standing up to his neck in it. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without
anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
12:57





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
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He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Judy Taylor





If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be 
weeping between the porch and the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - 
Canada will be left standing??




  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in 
  deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put 
  it.
  
  
  
  From: Judy 
  Taylor 
  



Sure glad you are keeping up with 
our economy Lance. Don't know what we

would do if we didn't have the 
Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
really

be in trouble then 
...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a 
secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means 
more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then 
ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned 
stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 
million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many 
more to come).  - Original Message -  
From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
    seasons greetings, X-mas We have 
been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be 
found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, 
such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in 
the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy 
Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far 
as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No 
buckets or bell  ringers   there anymore.  
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ 
should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these 
stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to 
make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it 
would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need 
to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   
remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  
falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have 
services "So  that   people can spend time with their 
families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why 
not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
 love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother 
(Family), you cannot  be   Mine.  
 Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there 
   something here I don't see? Am I too 
critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  
--  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every 
man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send 
an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   
friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
he will be subscribed. 
-- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
salt, that you  may know how you ought to answer every man." 
(Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org  
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judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)


Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store 
one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised 
to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other 
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of 
the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be 
  weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - 
  Canada will be left standing??
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are 
in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you 
put it.



From: Judy 
Taylor 

  
  
  
  Sure glad you are keeping up with 
  our economy Lance. Don't know what we
  
  
  would do if we didn't have the 
  Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in trouble then 
  ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a 
  secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans 
  means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  
  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  
  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the 
  aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the 
  USA! (3 million manufacturing 
  jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to 
  come).  - Original Message -  From: 
  "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
      seasons greetings, X-mas We 
  have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  
  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no 
  longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the 
  big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  
  "Holiday   sales". When 
  you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with 
"Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores 
  went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's 
  property. No buckets or bell  ringers   there 
  anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners 
  proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must 
  remember that the reason these stores are  there is   
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
   Christ mas,   it would only be lip service. 
Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye 
  before we  try to   remove the speck from 
  their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on  
   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So 
   that   people can spend time with their 
  families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why 
  not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
   love me   more than mother or father, sister or 
  brother (Family), you cannot  be   Mine. 
Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over 
  this? Is theresomething here I don't 
  see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  
  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with 
  grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how 
  you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send 
  an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   
  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  and he will be subscribed. 
  -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
  salt, that you  may know how you ought to answer every man." 
  (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org 
   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email 
  to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a friend who 
  wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  and he will be subscribed.  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)


RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ShieldsFamily








Yeah, and your mother wears combat
boots!!! J 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:46 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







Allow me to raise the level of this conversationO
yaa!







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:36





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









You are in deep doodoo, he
cries while standing up to his neck in it. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without
anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
12:57





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email 
 to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and you will be unsubscribed. If you 
 have a 
  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
  
 
 
 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
 http://www.InnGlory.org
 
 If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and you will be unsubscribed. If you 
 have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
 
 


















judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)














RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ShieldsFamily








I am certainly thankful that Canada serves as such a good buffer between America and the
North Pole. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:50 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of
the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



















If you really believe what you write
here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??

















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











From: Judy Taylor














Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we 





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me, is
s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email 
 to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and you will be unsubscribed. If you 
 have a 
  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
  
 
 
 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
 http://www.InnGlory.org
 
 If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and you will be unsubscribed. If you 
 have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
 
 


















judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)















judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)










Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Lance Muir



Not only is he well but, he asked for me to pass 
greetings along to you by name, Kevin. He knew of your affinity for the big 
'M'

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 14:53
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  A prophet visited our store one week ago
  
  How is joe doing?
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our 
store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be 
surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT 
JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know 
nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance then 
  you need to be weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if 
  the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??
  
  
  
  


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You 
are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', 
as you put it.



From: Judy 
Taylor 

  
  
  
  Sure glad you are keeping up 
  with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 
  
  
  would do if we 
  didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in trouble 
  then ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is 
  a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  
  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
   What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
  China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the 
  mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in 
  the USA! (3 million 
  manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many 
  more to come).  - Original Message - 
   From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
      holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
We have been watching the news lately, plus getting 
  some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the 
  world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is  
   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
   Target and   home depot stop advertising 
  Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you 
  walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with 
"Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target 
  stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers  
   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers 
  and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but 
  then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there 
  is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If 
  they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip 
  service.   Besides that, we need to get the 
  beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove 
  the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  
  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not 
  have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid. 
Why not take the family to church? What am I 
  missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my 
  mind. "If you do not  love me   more than 
  mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be 
Mine.   Do the rest of you get 
  worked up or nauseous over this? Is there
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your 
  thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let 
  your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  
  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." 
  (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
I

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Judy Taylor



What kind of prophets go about giving political 
statements? I understood the
spiritual giftings to be of the edification and 
building up of the body of Christ. Are you
sure he isn't a fortune teller? Actually I am not 
a "yank" by birth and I lived in Canada
for a number of years, long enough to know that there 
are problems. True most Americans
don't know a whole lot about Canada - blame that on the 
liberal media here.

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store 
  one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly 
  that. You may be surprised to know just how 
  dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the 
  other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently 
  insular to know nothing of the rest of the world 
  (including their neighbour)
  
  
  From: Judy Taylor 
  
If you really believe what you 
write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and 
the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the 
US goes down - Canada will be left standing??




  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are 
  in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you 
  put it.
  
  
  
  From: Judy 
  Taylor 
  



Sure glad you are keeping up 
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 


would do if we 
didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
really

be in trouble then 
...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a 
secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans 
means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  
What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the 
aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the 
USA! (3 million manufacturing 
jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to 
come).  - Original Message -  
From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
    holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting 
some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world 
we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad 
enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  
Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and 
start advertising  "Holiday 
  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted 
by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons 
greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   
run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers   there anymore.  This sounds 
like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these 
stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but 
to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,  
 it would only be lip service.   Besides 
that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try 
to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that 
since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that 
many churches will not have services "So  that   
people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s 
 stupid.   Why not take the family to church? 
What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running 
through my mind. "If you do not  love me   
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be   Mine.   Do the rest of 
you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? 
Your thoughts?  Terry  --  
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  
you may   know how you ought to answer every man." 
(Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, 
send an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   
friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and he will be subscribed. 
-- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
salt, that you  may know how you ought to answer every 
 

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ShieldsFamily








Its provides such good insulation!
(Doesnt that make Canadians
insular?) 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
2:00 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





I am certainly thankful that Canada serves as such a good buffer between America
and the North Pole. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:50 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of
the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



















If you really believe what you write
here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??

















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











From: Judy Taylor














Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we 





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email 
 to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and you will be unsubscribed. If you 
 have a 
  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
  
 
 
 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
 http://www.InnGlory.org
 
 If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread knpraise

:-)-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:45:48 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Allow me to raise the level of this conversationO yaa!

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 14:36
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


"You are in deep doodoo," he cries while standing up to his neck in it. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:03 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.



- Original Message - 


From: Judy Taylor 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 10, 2005 12:57

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we

would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd really

be in trouble then ...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you  may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.  





 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)


Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton




Lance Muir wrote:

  
  

  
  Allow me to raise the level of this
conversationO yaa!

ROFL
Terry




Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?Some Recent news headlines:  Stanford earns $336M off Google stock  Google stock tops $400, worth $117 billion  Will Google's Stock Pass $500?  Some things to which you KNOW nothing about  Looks like Business is GOODhttp://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_050721.pdfDOUBLE-DIGIT GROWTH IN SEARCH SEEN BY AOL AND ASK JEEVES FROM  Q1 TO Q2 2005, WHILE TOP SEARCH PLAYERS GOOGLE AND YAHOO!  MAINTAIN CONSISTENT GROWTH, ACCORDING TO NIELSEN//NETRATINGSDomain Name sales buy for $5 sell for?  Payment Data closes on sale of bills.com domain name Payment Data Systems Inc. completed its previously announced sale of its bills.com domain name and trademark to Freedom Financial Network LLC. The local company received $950,000 in connection with the sale. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5467584/Domain name sells for $2.75 million CreditCards.com deal sparks talk of new gold rushhttp://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/Domain-Name-Business-Booming-in-Post-Dot-Com-Era-129003WWAIE9.xhtml  Domain Name Business Booming in Post-Dot-Com Erahttp://internetweek.cmp.com/173402848  Online Travel Market Shows Strong Growth   The market is expected to reach $68 billion by the end of the year, up from $57 billion last yearOF COURSE you have heard of the BOOM in CONTEXTUAL, Right?  http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-contextual-advertising.htmSo we won't even go into PPC or Sponsored links!http://www.outsourcingpipeline.com/172301874  Data Boom Puts Database Careers On Growth Trajectory   Demand for database administrators is expected to continue. Labor Statistics projects a 66% growth in jobs through 2010  (Typewriter sales are down)How did you get that TYPEWRITER to work ONLINE anyhow?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, your country, at
 least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your nation is becoming.- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masThe dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru
 the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows!  No end in sight!  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas.   Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin.  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:  Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUpset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when all the big merchants, such
 as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home depot stop adverti

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Christine Miller
Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store   one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised   to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other   way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of   the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message -   From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance   MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are   in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you   put it.From: Judy   Taylor   Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what wewould do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd reallybe in trouble then ...On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -
  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays,     seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays"
 or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their
 families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this
 list, send an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you  may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a friend who wants to join

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress



thewestern 
sun setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ||
  
if the US goes down - Canada will be left 
standing??




  
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress



..'bout a 50 
megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern 
  sun setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
||

  if the US goes down - Canada will be left 
  standing??
  
  
  
  


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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Judy Taylor



Interpretation please... Gary is speaking in 
tongues - Or could it be Dylanspeak??

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 50 
  megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

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He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)


Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress



..it lookd like 
itblew the hell outa japan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 50 
  megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
Me is Where I'm At Today   Me is where I'm at today   And that is where I plan to stay.  
My own nose is on my faceAnd close to there that very place   Is where my facial main face grows   And where my face surrounds my nose.   Yes, I've got sufficient space   For my nose-surrounding face.  Go ahead
 and be yourself your way.   That seems to suit you right today.  But look at me and you will see   That I'm just right for being me. — Richard Hacken[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ..'bout a 50 megaton blast, babyOn Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:thewestern sun setnearhiroshima On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:||if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  ||__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress




..you ain't seen 
nothin' yet

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..it lookd like 
  itblew the hell outa japan
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..'bout a 50 
megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern sun 
  setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  if the US goes down - Canada will be left 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress



..move your Land 
Cruisers a little higher up the mountain

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ..you ain't seen 
  nothin' yet
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..it lookd like 
itblew the hell outa japan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 50 
  megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

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if the US goes down - Canada will be left 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Dave Hansen




DAVEH: I think you've just set a new record of posts for a TT poster
responding to his own nonsense, G. 
:-D 

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  ..move
your Land Cruisers a little higher up the mountain
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

..you
ain't seen nothin' yet


On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..it
lookd like itblew the hell outa japan
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..'bout
a 50 megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern
sun setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress



(but you're a 
mole:) anyway, do you have a catalog, Bro? on-line? what's an approx 2X 
black leather jacket goin' for these days?

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:27:17 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DAVEH: I think you've just set a new record of posts for a TT 
  poster responding to his own nonsense, G. :-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  



..move your 
Land Cruisers a little higher up the mountain

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ..you ain't 
  seen nothin' yet
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..it lookd 
like itblew the hell outa japan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 
  50 megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

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if the US goes down - Canada will be 
left standing??




  
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread ttxpress







  
  

  FORTUNATE 
  SONCreedence Clearwater 
  RevivalSome folks are 
  born made to wave the flag,ooh, they're red, white and blue.And 
  when the band plays "Hail To The Chief",oh, they point the cannon at 
  you, Lord,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no senator's 
  son,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate one, 
  no,Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,Lord, why don't 
  they help themselves? oh.But when the taxman come to the 
  door,Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yes,It ain't 
  me, it ain't me,I ain't no millionaire's son.It ain't me, it ain't 
  me,I ain't no fortunate one, no.Yeh, some folks inherit star 
  spangled eyes,ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,And when you 
  ask them, how much should we give,oh, they only answer, more, more, 
  more, yoh,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no military 
  son,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate one,It 
  ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate one, no no no,It ain't 
  me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate son, son son 
  son

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:35:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  (but you're a 
  mole:) anyway, do you have a catalog, Bro? on-line? what's an approx 2X 
  black leather jacket goin' for these days?
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:27:17 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
DAVEH: I think you've just set a new record of posts for a TT 
poster responding to his own nonsense, G. :-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  

  ..move your 
  Land Cruisers a little higher up the mountain
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

..you ain't 
seen nothin' yet

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..it 
  lookd like itblew the hell outa 
  japan
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..'bout 
a 50 megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern sun 
  setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
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  if the US 
  goes down - Canada will be left 
standing??


Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Blainerb473




I am always learning more about TT's that I didn't know before. So, 
Lance is a Canadian? 

Canadians often speak with a slight Scottish brogue, and say ""eh?" after 
each sentence. :)

My Borrowman name comes from Scotland, and from a place in Canada called 
Middleville--in Lanark County of Ontario. 

Blainerb

In a message dated 12/10/2005 10:59:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. 
  Don't know what we
  would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs 
  on us. We'd really
  be in trouble then ...
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A 
  CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to 
  share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note 
  of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones 
  suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  
  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  
  many,  many more to come).  - Original 
  Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas We have 
  been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail, 
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be 
  found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, 
  such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
  advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday  
   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  
  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". 
  Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   
  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners 
  proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must 
  remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not 
  to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ 
  mas,   it would only be lip service.   
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  
  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since 
  Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches 
  will not have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.  
   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? 
   The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
   love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother 
  (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there 
 something here I don't see? Am I too 
  critical? Your thoughts?  
Terry