Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
Again you choose to personalize? Are you attacking my caracter?Why would God allow a "Devil" into heaven?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try. Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
I am addressing your actions not your "caracter." -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:26:19 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Again you choose to personalize? Are you attacking my caracter? Why would God allow a "Devil" into heaven?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try. Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
Help me see MY ACTION below?IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am addressing your actions not your "caracter."-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:26:19 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?Again you choose to personalize? Are you attacking my caracter?Why would God allow a "Devil" into heaven?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try. Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
"Help me see ..." says the blind man !!! ??? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:53:30 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Help me see MY ACTION below? IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am addressing your actions not your "caracter." -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:26:19 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Again you choose to personalize? Are you attacking my caracter? Why would God allow a "Devil" into heaven?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try. Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
As usual you ignore the issues and deal with personalities. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Help me see ..." says the blind man !!! ??? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:53:30 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Help me see MY ACTION below?IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am addressing your actions not your "caracter."-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:26:19 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?Again you choose to personalize? Are you attacking my caracter?Why would God allow a "Devil" into heaven?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try. Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:15:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try. Ha Ha!! Blainerb
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
How is this different from OT days Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ??? jd -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? How is this different from OT days Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ??? jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:09:54 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Why do we need scripture? Yes the born again/spirit filled believer is given the measure of faith - Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts But let's look at our example, the Head of the Church, the one we are to follow During His earthly ministry Jesus walked in all this too; in fact He walked in the fulness of the Spirit When confronted by the adversary - What was His defense? It is written, It is written, It is written. No wonder the professing church is so weak. You would rather do it any way but learn from Him. If anyone speaks not according to THIS WORD there is no light of day for him (Isa 8:20) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't read the book either !!! This is what is so great about you and Judy. First -- you twodisagree on a number of points --but, like you, I willignore that for timebeing.In addition to the Inspired Version doctrine, and theInerrant Understanding didache, you two also believe that you can condemn a book without having read it , not to mention that you know of the personal judgments of God.With those qualifications, why do we even need the Bible? We certainly don't need preachers, pastors and teacher -- I mean the Holy Spirit will take care of all that - right? But ignore these questions, as well. Your peace of mind just might be at stake. jd -
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In OT days they did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, nor did they have God's Law written on their hearts. They lived in a theocracy and Moses had to gather the ppl, men, women, and children and read God's Law to them every seven years. jt On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:21:12 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is this different from OT days Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ??? jd -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? How is this different from OT days Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ??? jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:09:54 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Why do we need scripture? Yes the born again/spirit filled believer is given the measure of faith - Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts But let's look at our example, the Head of the Church, the one we are to follow During His earthly ministry Jesus walked in all this too; in fact He walked in the fulness of the Spirit When confronted by the adversary - What was His defense? It is written, It is written, It is written. No wonder the professing church is so weak. You would rather do it any way but learn from Him. If anyone speaks not according to THIS WORD there is no light of day for him (Isa 8:20) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't read the book either !!! This is what is so great about you and Judy. First -- you twodisagree on a number of points --but, like you, I willignore that for timebeing.In addition to the Inspired Version doctrine, and theInerrant Understanding didache, you two also believe that you can condemn a book without having read it , not to mention that you know of the personal judgments of God.With those qualifications, why do we even need the Bible? We certainly don't need preachers, pastors and teacher -- I mean the Holy Spirit will take care of all that - right? But ignore these questions, as well. Your peace of mind just might be at stake. jd - judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
You speak as if the Holy Sprit indwelling and the "..law written on their hearts" are two different things. What exactly do you mean when you, Judy Taylor, speak of the law written on your heart? Memorization or what? What ever it means, we do know that it cannot be the same experienceas those under theMosaical Law. Is it the Holy Spirit 's influence - but you make a difference between the two. If this "law" has to do with various and multiple commandments, how are they written on our hearts in a way different from the Old Law? I honestly have no idea how you might answer this question. I have no answer and that is why I reject (up to this point in time) the notion that the "law written on our hearts" is talking about law as opposed to the rule of the Spirit. jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:46:30 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? In OT days they did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, nor did they have God's Law written on their hearts. They lived in a theocracy and Moses had to gather the ppl, men, women, and children and read God's Law to them every seven years. jt On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:21:12 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is this different from OT days Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ??? jd -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? How is this different from OT days Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ??? jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:09:54 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Why do we need scripture? Yes the born again/spirit filled believer is given the measure of faith - Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts But let's look at our example, the Head of the Church, the one we are to follow During His earthly ministry Jesus walked in all this too; in fact He walked in the fulness of the Spirit When confronted by the adversary - What was His defense? It is written, It is written, It is written. No wonder the professing church is so weak. You would rather do it any way but learn from Him. If anyone speaks not according to THIS WORD there is no light of day for him (Isa 8:20) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't read the book either !!! This is what is so great about you and Judy. First -- you twodisagree on a number of points --but, like you, I willignore that for timebeing.In addition to the Inspired Version doctrine, and theInerrant Understanding didache, you two also believe that you can condemn a book without having read it , not to mention that you know of the personal judgments of God.With those qualifications, why do we even need the Bible? We certainly don't need preachers, pastors and teacher -- I mean the Holy Spirit will take care of all that - right? But ignore these questions, as well. Your peace of mind just migh t be at stake. jd - judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
[TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
Here is one review from Amazon: Every Christian I've ever heard or read has condemned Judas to hell...until Anderson. Anderson's examination of both the Biblical story of Judas and Jesus' teaching on forgiveness demonstrate two things. Christians should have undying hope for everyone, even the worst of society; and Christians should minister Christ's love, even when it seem meaningless. This is an eye-opening book, and a must-read for anyone concerned about being Christ-like in today's world. I had Ray Anderson as a seminary professor and his perspective on ministry is life-changing. Maybe (possibly probably?) Judas is in heaven...doesn't that just blow your mind? So it looks like the fellow who wrote the review above has become "just like his mentor" Who - even though Jesus Himself says "the only one he lost is the son of perdition" still does not believe Him.If not a theological statement by a seminary professor - then it is for sure a statement of unbelief. judyt On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:25:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Gospel According to Judas - has any of the Critics read this book? Does anyone know -- other than Lance and perhaps Bill (alright !! and maybe G) that the book is much more than a theological statement, perhaps in a sense, not a statement at all? jd judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 07, 2005 15:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? I've never been able to understand how anybody can profess to be certain about the final eternal destiny of any other person. How the entertainment of redemption for Judas constitutes astatement of unbelief, I don't see. It is not that onedistrusts what Jesus said in his prayer to the Father. But can one be sure that it means eternal damnation (as opposed to being lost to the cause, the fellowship, the apostolic mission, which is bad enough), and even if it does, that it was the divine last word on the subject? Everything these days seems to come back, for me, to the Gunton concept I am still wrestling with--truth the daughter of time. Open files. I amtrying to weave things together--not to make them fit neatly and snugly likethe pieces of a puzzle, but to integrate them into organicity, find at least the hint of the same basic DNA in all the different parts. It is taking time and patience.Imay not get there. D - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 07, 2005 13:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Here is one review from Amazon: Every Christian I've ever heard or read has condemned Judas to hell...until Anderson. Anderson's examination of both the Biblical story of Judas and Jesus' teaching on forgiveness demonstrate two things. Christians should have undying hope for everyone, even the worst of society; and Christians should minister Christ's love, even when it seem meaningless. This is an eye-opening book, and a must-read for anyone concerned about being Christ-like in today's world. I had Ray Anderson as a seminary professor and his perspective on ministry is life-changing. Maybe (possibly probably?) Judas is in heaven...doesn't that just blow your mind? So it looks like the fellow who wrote the review above has become "just like his mentor" Who - even though Jesus Himself says "the only one he lost is the son of perdition" still does not believe Him.If not a theological statement by a seminary professor - then it is for sure a statement of unbelief. judyt On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:25:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Gospel According to Judas - has any of the Critics read this book? Does anyone know -- other than Lance and perhaps Bill (alright !! and maybe G) that the book is much more than a theological statement, perhaps in a sense, not a statement at all? jd judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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Is Judas going to Heaven?Only if Devils are ALLOWED!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 07, 2005 15:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?I've never been able to understand how anybody can profess to be certain about the final eternal destiny of any other person. How the entertainment of redemption for Judas constitutes astatement of unbelief, I don't see. It is not that onedistrusts what Jesus said in his prayer to the Father. But can one be sure that it means eternal damnation (as opposed to being lost to the cause, the fellowship, the apostolic mission, which is bad enough), and even if it does, that it was the divine last word on the subject?Everything these days seems to come back, for me, to the Gunton concept I am still wrestling with--truth the daughter of time. Open files.I amtrying to weave things together--not to make them fit neatly and snugly likethe pieces of a puzzle, but to integrate them into organicity, find at least the hint of the same basic DNA in all the different parts. It is taking time and patience.Imay not get there.D- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 07, 2005 13:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?Here is one review from Amazon: Every Christian I've ever heard or read has condemned Judas to hell...until Anderson. Anderson's examination of both the Biblical story of Judas and Jesus' teaching on forgiveness demonstrate two things. Christians should have undying hope for everyone, even the worst of society; and Christians should minister Christ's love, even when it seem meaningless. This is an eye-opening book, and a must-read for anyone concerned about being Christ-like in today's world. I had Ray Anderson as a seminary professor and his perspective on ministry is life-changing. Maybe (possibly probably?) Judas is in heaven...doesn't that just blow your mind?So it looks like the fellow who wrote the review above has become "just like his mentor" Who - even though Jesus Himself says "the only one he lost is the son of perdition" still does not believe Him.If not a theological statement by a seminary professor - then it is for sure a statement of unbelief. judytOn Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:25:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The Gospel According to Judas - has any of the Critics read this book? Does anyone know -- other than Lance and perhaps Bill (alright !! and maybe G) that the book is much more than a theological statement, perhaps in a sense, not a statement at all? jd judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
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Amen to that, Debbie. Judy -- I just asked a question. The review you quoted is a wonderful statement of hope and possibilities without being judgmental !! And we can be judgmental in sending people to heaven just as quickly as sending them to hell. The desire that all be saved has nothing to do with universalism. The hope that God's judgment of the intentions of the heart will open doors to the salvation of countless scores of individuals is certainly in line with the teaching of unmerited grace.If this desire and hope is (are?) without foundation, so be it. We were wrong. If it is true -- praise the Lord. Nothing in the book cheapens the Lordship of Christ and His sovereign activity in the life and heart of the believer. So all is well. But the book in question is much more than a statement about Judas It is a teaching guide. It is written for the "Bereans" amongst us. You'd love it -- I am sure cough cough. jd -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:13:00 -0500Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 07, 2005 15:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? I've never been able to understand how anybody can profess to be certain about the final eternal destiny of any other person. How the entertainment of redemption for Judas constitutes astatement of unbelief, I don't see. It is not that onedistrusts what Jesus said in his prayer to the Father. But can one be sure that it means eternal damnation (as opposed to being lost to the cause, the fellowship, the apostolic mission, which is bad enough), and even if it does, that it was the divine last word on the subject? Everything these days seems to come back, for me, to the Gunton concept I am still wrestling with--truth the daughter of time. Open files. I amtrying to weave things together--not to make them fit neatly and snugly likethe pieces of a puzzle, but to integrate them into organicity, find at least the hint of the same basic DNA in all the different parts. It is taking time and patience.Imay not get there. D - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 07, 2005 13:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Here is one review from Amazon: Every Christian I've ever heard or read has condemned Judas to hell...until Anderson. Anderson's examination of both the Biblical story of Judas and Jesus' teaching on forgiveness demonstrate two things. Christians should have undying hope for everyone, even the worst of society; and Christians should minister Christ's love, even when it seem meaningless. This is an eye-opening book, and a must-read for anyone concerned about being Christ-like in today's world. I had Ray Anderson as a seminary professor and his perspective on ministry is life-changing. Maybe (possibly probably?) Judas is in heaven...doesn't that just blow your mind? So it looks like the fellow who wrote the review above has become "just like his mentor" Who - even though Jesus Himself says "the only one he lost is the son of perdition" still does not believe Him.If not a theological statement by a seminary professor - then it is for sure a statement of unbelief. judyt On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:25:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Gospel According to Judas - has any of the Critics read this book? Does anyone know -- other than Lance and perhaps Bill (alright !! and maybe G) that the book is much more than a theological statement, perhaps in a sense, not a statement at all? jd judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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We all have different DNA, Lance. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:13 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 07, 2005 15:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? I've never been able to understand how anybody can profess to be certain about the final eternal destiny of any other person. How the entertainment of redemption for Judas constitutes astatement of unbelief, I don't see. It is not that onedistrusts what Jesus said in his prayer to the Father. But can one be sure that it means eternal damnation (as opposed to being lost to the cause, the fellowship, the apostolic mission, which is bad enough), and even if it does, that it was the divine last word on the subject? Everything these days seems to come back, for me, to the Gunton concept I am still wrestling with--truth the daughter of time. Open files. I amtrying to weave things together--not to make them fit neatly and snugly likethe pieces of a puzzle, but to integrate them into organicity, find at least the hint of the same basic DNA in all the different parts. It is taking time and patience.Imay not get there. D - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 07, 2005 13:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? Here is one review from Amazon: Every Christian I've ever heard or read has condemned Judas to hell...until Anderson. Anderson's examination of both the Biblical story of Judas and Jesus' teaching on forgiveness demonstrate two things. Christians should have undying hope for everyone, even the worst of society; and Christians should minister Christ's love, even when it seem meaningless. This is an eye-opening book, and a must-read for anyone concerned about being Christ-like in today's world. I had Ray Anderson as a seminary professor and his perspective on ministry is life-changing. Maybe (possibly probably?) Judas is in heaven...doesn't that just blow your mind? So it looks like the fellow who wrote the review above has become just like his mentor Who - even though Jesus Himself says the only one he lost is the son of perdition still does not believe Him.If not a theological statement by a seminary professor - then it is for sure a statement of unbelief. judyt On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:25:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Gospel According to Judas - has any of the Critics read this book? Does anyone know -- other than Lance and perhaps Bill (alright !! and maybe G) that the book is much more than a theological statement, perhaps in a sense, not a statement at all? jd judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try.And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.The Profane Person Esau in Heaven with Judas the son of PERDITION a Devil? Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Amen to that, Debbie. Judy -- I just asked a question. The review you quoted is a wonderful statement of hope and possibilities without being judgmental !! And we can be judgmental in sending people to heaven just as quickly as sending them to hell. The desire that all be saved has nothing to do with universalism. The hope that God's judgment of the intentions of the heart will open doors to the salvation of countless scores of individuals is certainly in line with the teaching of unmerited grace.If this desire and hope is (are?) without foundation, so be it. We were wrong. If it is true -- praise the Lord. Nothing in the book cheapens the Lordship of Christ and His sovereign activity in the life and heart of the believer. So all is well. But the book in question is much more than a statement about Judas It is a teaching guide. It is written for the "Bereans" amongst us. You'd love it -- I am sure cough cough. jd-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:13:00 -0500Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 07, 2005 15:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?I've never been able to understand how anybody can profess to be certain about the final eternal destiny of any other person. How the entertainment of redemption for Judas constitutes astatement of unbelief, I don't see. It is not that onedistrusts what Jesus said in his prayer to the Father. But can one be sure that it means eternal damnation (as opposed to being lost to the cause, the fellowship, the apostolic mission, which is bad enough), and even if it does, that it was the divine last word on the subject?Everything these days seems to come back, for me, to the Gunton concept I am still wrestling with--truth the daughter of time. Open files.I amtrying to weave things together--not to make them fit neatly and snugly likethe pieces of a puzzle, but to integrate them into organicity, find at least the hint of the same basic DNA in all the different parts. It is taking time and patience.Imay not get there.D- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 07, 2005 13:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?Here is one review from Amazon: Every Christian I've ever heard or read has condemned Judas to hell...until Anderson. Anderson's examination of both the Biblical story of Judas and Jesus' teaching on forgiveness demonstrate two things. Christians should have undying hope for everyone, even the worst of society; and Christians should minister Christ's love, even when it seem meaningless. This is an eye-opening book, and a must-read for anyone concerned about being Christ-like in today's world. I had Ray Anderson as a seminary professor and his perspective on ministry is life-changing. Maybe (possibly probably?) Judas is in heaven...doesn't that just blow your mind?So it looks like the fellow who wrote the review above has become "just like his mentor" Who - even though Jesus Himself says "the only one he lost is the son of perdition" still does not believe Him.If not a theological statement by a seminary professor - then it is for sure a statement of unbelief. judytOn Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:25:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Gospel According to Judas - has any of the Critics read this book? Does anyone know -- other than Lance and perhaps Bill (alright !! and maybe G) that the book is much more than a theological statement, perhaps in a sense, not a statement at all? jd judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven? IMAGINE Judas, Esau, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmler, Bin Laden, Kevin Deegan IN Heaven Some say it's easy if you try.
