Re: [TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!!
After reading some on TT, I can't help but wonder as to the truthfulness of 'Lie # 3'. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 16:02 Subject: [TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!! The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion ~~~ Lie #3: 'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you.' ~~~ Judy, Do you know what the most important invention in the history of the world was? It wasn't the computer. And it sure wasn't the light bulb or the telephone. (Or even the electronic voting machine.) It was the printing press. In 1445, Johannes Gutenberg invented the world's first movable type printing press. He didn't know it, but he was unleashing a revolution that continues to this day. Even the mighty Internet in 2005 is just an extension of Gutenberg's original, revolutionary machine. The first book he printed was the Bible. And that led to controversy, too, because Luther translated it into German, the people's language, instead of Latin, the lingo of the religious elite. Suddenly, ordinary folks could not only afford a copy, but they could read it for themselves instead of getting some guy's self-serving interpretation. Soon the cat was out of the bag--there were copies scattered all over Europe. When people started to read it, they were alarmed at what they saw, because between the covers of this book was an amazing story that had seemingly little to do with the politics and shell games they saw in some corners the church. Luther wrote a list of 95 accusations against the church -- priests taking bribes and granting 'indulgences', an institution setting itself up as a 'middleman' between man and God. He argued that God didn't need a middleman, or a distributor, or an agent, or a bureaucracy. People could go direct to the source. This little 'schism' in Wurms, Germany unleashed a firestorm of protest and permanently changed the way people approached education. No longer was a big, faceless institution responsible for your spiritual progress -- YOU were. Now that you had the knowledge in your hands, you were accountable before God to do something about it. I'm not trying to attack the Catholic church, by the way. The problem is not institutions per se; it's just that it's always easier for us to mindlessly follow someone else than to listen to God and use the minds He gave us. It's no coincidence that the scientific enlightenment and industrial revolution began in earnest within 50 years of this. Not that it wasn't already underway (it had already gathered considerable momentum) but now that ordinary folks had access to knowledge and the freedom to pursue it, the possiblities were limitless. The printing press took the handcuffs off of knowledge and spirituality, and the world has never been the same. Equal access to knowledge empowered people everywhere, and it was only natural that the Rennaisance, and in time, democracy too would follow. What's troubling now is that most people still don't do anything with the knowledge that's available to them. Why would you accept a 'canned' answer or empty platitude when you can open the book and read about it for yourself? People have debates about Jesus, but most have never read the real story--they just believe what they're told. How sad. If you want a 'Just the facts ma'am' version of what really happened, grab a Bible (please -- a modern English version that's easy to read, not something from the 1600's) and read the book of Luke. A truly fascinating story will unfold. I dare you to read for one hour and then stop! And you know what? Nobody will need to tell you what it means. You'll be quite able to figure it out for yourself. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!!
When listen 'through' Kevin, Judy and, Dean you can hear which tradition did their thinkin' for 'em. Snakes anyone? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 16:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!! Lie #3: 'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you.' CMON nobody would fall for that! LDS quotes: " Have we not a right to make up our minds in relation to the things recorded in the word of God, and speak about them, whether the living oracles believe our views or not? We have not the right...God placed Joseph Smith at the head of this church; God has likewise placed Brigham Young at the head of this church; and he has required you and me, male and female, to sustain those authorities placed over us in all things, and receive their words as from the mouth of God..." - Orson Pratt, Apostle, Journal of Discourses 7:374-375, Sermon January 29, 1860 " When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan - it is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no other way that is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy." - Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354 " God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the Children of Israel, and he made me to be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be the mouth for me; and if you don't like it, you must lump it." - Joseph Fielding Smith, Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 363 "...learn to do as you are told,...if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it, none of your business whether it is right or wrong." - Herber C. Kimball, 1st Counselor to Brigham Young. Journal of Discourses, v.2, p.106 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion~~~Lie #3:'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you.'~~~Judy,Do you know what the most important invention in the history of the world was?It wasn't the computer. And it sure wasn't the light bulb or the telephone. (Or even the electronic voting machine.)It was the printing press.In 1445, Johannes Gutenberg invented the world's first movabletype printing press. He didn't know it, but he was unleashing a revolution that continues to this day. Even the mighty Internet in 2005 is just an extension of Gutenberg's original, revolutionary machine.The first book he printed was the Bible. And that ledto controversy, too, because Luther translated it intoGerman, the people's language, instead of Latin, the lingo of the religious elite. Suddenly, ordinary folks could not only afford a copy, but they could read it for themselves instead of getting some guy's self-serving interpretation. Soon the cat wasout of the bag--there were copies scattered all over Europe.When people started to read it, they were alarmed at what they saw, because between the covers of this book was an amazing story that had seemingly little to do with the politics and shell games they saw in some corners the church.Luther wrote a list of 95 accusations against the church -- priests taking bribes and granting 'indulgences', an institution setting itself up as a 'middleman' between man and God.He argued that God didn't need a middleman, or a distributor, or an agent, or a bureaucracy. People could go direct to the source.This little 'schism' in Wurms, Germany unleashed a firestorm of protest and permanently changed the way people approached education. No longer was a big, faceless institution responsible for your spiritual progress -- YOU were. Now that you had the knowledge in your hands, you were accountablebefore God to do something about it.I'm not trying to attack the Catholic church, by theway. The problem is not institutions per se; it's justthat it's always easier for us to mindlessly follow someoneelse than to listen to God and use the minds He gave us.It's no coincidence that the scientific enlightenment and industrial revolution began in earnest within 50 years of this. Not that it wasn't already underway (it had already gathered considerable momentum) but now that ordinary folks had access to knowledge and the freedom to pursue it, the possiblities were limitless.The printing press took the handcuffs off of knowledge and spirituality, and the world has never been the same. Equal access to knowledge empowered people everywhere, and it was only natural that the Rennaisance, and in time, democracy too would follow.What's troubling now is that most people still don't do anything with the knowledge that's available to them.
[TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!!
The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion ~~~ Lie #3: 'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you.' ~~~ Judy, Do you know what the most important invention in the history of the world was? It wasn't the computer. And it sure wasn't the light bulb or the telephone. (Or even the electronic voting machine.) It was the printing press. In 1445, Johannes Gutenberg invented the world's first movable type printing press. He didn't know it, but he was unleashing a revolution that continues to this day. Even the mighty Internet in 2005 is just an extension of Gutenberg's original, revolutionary machine. The first book he printed was the Bible. And that led to controversy, too, because Luther translated it into German, the people's language, instead of Latin, the lingo of the religious elite. Suddenly, ordinary folks could not only afford a copy, but they could read it for themselves instead of getting some guy's self-serving interpretation. Soon the cat was out of the bag--there were copies scattered all over Europe. When people started to read it, they were alarmed at what they saw, because between the covers of this book was an amazing story that had seemingly little to do with the politics and shell games they saw in some corners the church. Luther wrote a list of 95 accusations against the church -- priests taking bribes and granting 'indulgences', an institution setting itself up as a 'middleman' between man and God. He argued that God didn't need a middleman, or a distributor, or an agent, or a bureaucracy. People could go direct to the source. This little 'schism' in Wurms, Germany unleashed a firestorm of protest and permanently changed the way people approached education. No longer was a big, faceless institution responsible for your spiritual progress -- YOU were. Now that you had the knowledge in your hands, you were accountable before God to do something about it. I'm not trying to attack the Catholic church, by the way. The problem is not institutions per se; it's just that it's always easier for us to mindlessly follow someone else than to listen to God and use the minds He gave us. It's no coincidence that the scientific enlightenment and industrial revolution began in earnest within 50 years of this. Not that it wasn't already underway (it had already gathered considerable momentum) but now that ordinary folks had access to knowledge and the freedom to pursue it, the possiblities were limitless. The printing press took the handcuffs off of knowledge and spirituality, and the world has never been the same. Equal access to knowledge empowered people everywhere, and it was only natural that the Rennaisance, and in time, democracy too would follow. What's troubling now is that most people still don't do anything with the knowledge that's available to them. Why would you accept a 'canned' answer or empty platitude when you can open the book and read about it for yourself? People have debates about Jesus, but most have never read the real story--they just believe what they're told. How sad. If you want a 'Just the facts ma'am' version of what really happened, grab a Bible (please -- a modern English version that's easy to read, not something from the 1600's) and read the book of Luke. A truly fascinating story will unfold. I dare you to read for one hour and then stop! And you know what? Nobody will need to tell you what it means. You'll be quite able to figure it out for yourself. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!!
Lie #3: 'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you.' CMON nobody would fall for that!LDS quotes: " Have we not a right to make up our minds in relation to the things recorded in the word of God, and speak about them, whether the living oracles believe our views or not? We have not the right...God placed Joseph Smith at the head of this church; God has likewise placed Brigham Young at the head of this church; and he has required you and me, male and female, to sustain those authorities placed over us in all things, and receive their words as from the mouth of God..." - Orson Pratt, Apostle, Journal of Discourses 7:374-375, Sermon January 29, 1860 " When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan - it is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no other way that is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy." - Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354 " God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the Children of Israel, and he made me to be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be the mouth for me; and if you don't like it, you must lump it." - Joseph Fielding Smith, Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 363 "...learn to do as you are told,...if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it, none of your business whether it is right or wrong." - Herber C. Kimball, 1st Counselor to Brigham Young. Journal of Discourses, v.2, p.106 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion~~~Lie #3:'You are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you.'~~~Judy,Do you know what the most important invention in the history of the world was?It wasn't the computer. And it sure wasn't the light bulb or the telephone. (Or even the electronic voting machine.)It was the printing press.In 1445, Johannes Gutenberg invented the world's first movabletype printing press. He didn't know it, but he was unleashing a revolution that continues to this day. Even the mighty Internet in 2005 is just an extension of Gutenberg's original, revolutionary machine.The first book he printed was the Bible. And that ledto controversy, too, because Luther translated it intoGerman, the people's language, instead of Latin, the lingo of the religious elite. Suddenly, ordinary folks could not only afford a copy, but they could read it for themselves instead of getting some guy's self-serving interpretation. Soon the cat wasout of the bag--there were copies scattered all over Europe.When people started to read it, they were alarmed at what they saw, because between the covers of this book was an amazing story that had seemingly little to do with the politics and shell games they saw in some corners the church.Luther wrote a list of 95 accusations against the church -- priests taking bribes and granting 'indulgences', an institution setting itself up as a 'middleman' between man and God.He argued that God didn't need a middleman, or a distributor, or an agent, or a bureaucracy. People could go direct to the source.This little 'schism' in Wurms, Germany unleashed a firestorm of protest and permanently changed the way people approached education. No longer was a big, faceless institution responsible for your spiritual progress -- YOU were. Now that you had the knowledge in your hands, you were accountablebefore God to do something about it.I'm not trying to attack the Catholic church, by theway. The problem is not institutions per se; it's justthat it's always easier for us to mindlessly follow someoneelse than to listen to God and use the minds He gave us.It's no coincidence that the scientific enlightenment and industrial revolution began in earnest within 50 years of this. Not that it wasn't already underway (it had already gathered considerable momentum) but now that ordinary folks had access to knowledge and the freedom to pursue it, the possiblities were limitless.The printing press took the handcuffs off of knowledge and spirituality, and the world has never been the same. Equal access to knowledge empowered people everywhere, and it was only natural that the Rennaisance, and in time, democracy too would follow.What's troubling now is that most people still don't do anything with the knowledge that's available to them. Why would you accept a 'canned' answer or empty platitude when you can open the book and read about it for yourself?People have debates about Jesus, but most have never read the real story--they just believe what they're told. How sad.If you want a 'Just the facts ma'am' version of what really happened, grab a Bible (please -- a modern English version that's easy to read, not something from the 1600's) and read the book of Luke. A truly fascinating story will unfold. I dare you to read for one hour and then stop!And you know what? Nobody will need to tell you what it means. You'll be quite able to figure it out for
Re: [TruthTalk] WOOHOO Lance - Here is someone saying the same thing as me..!!
It was the printing press. DAVEH: I respectfully disagree. The most important invention in the history of the world is.the erasure! Judy, Do you know what the most important invention in the history of the world was? It wasn't the computer. And it sure wasn't the light bulb or the telephone. (Or even the electronic voting machine.) It was the printing press. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
