Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ
TT: I can make available a copy to anyone who would read it for this conversation. Lance - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 03, 2004 17:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ In regards to remarks on The Mediation of Christ, David says, Sure! An invitation from Bill would make all the difference in the world. David, please consider yourself invited. I'll be looking forward to reading your thoughts. Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ Lance wrote: Why not challenge yourself by outlining all that you are able to affirm in MOC? The most delightful thing in his book was his conveyance of God's incarnation in Israel through history. I enjoyed seeing his acceptance of the Messianic movement as being part of end time prophetic fulfillment, which I also believe. Lance wrote: Remember the old song, Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative?. Were your answer to be that you learned nothing I don't believe that Bill would be hurt on TF's behalf but on yours. Most of what I read, I can find agreement with. I agreed with most of what Torrance what, even though I found it to be a very difficult read. His word choices, writing style, etc., were difficult. I learn most, however, when I examine areas where I do not agree. Those areas that seem questionable are the areas where I find digging beneficial. Lance wrote: You've shown no reticence to enter the fray on issues much less substantive than this one (trivial in fact). Tell me David, would a direct invitation from Bill cause you to comply? Sure! An invitation from Bill would make all the difference in the world. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ
Lance wrote: You have my email address so why not send those observations along to me privately? Just include the notes you've made so far. I would prefer to discuss it publicly. I was hoping to hear from Bill to see what direction to go. When I get some time, I might offer some thoughts. Like I said, I wrote some notes down, so I can go back anytime and address these things. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ
Lance wrote: Why not challenge yourself by outlining all that you are able to affirm in MOC? The most delightful thing in his book was his conveyance of God's incarnation in Israel through history. I enjoyed seeing his acceptance of the Messianic movement as being part of end time prophetic fulfillment, which I also believe. Lance wrote: Remember the old song, Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative?. Were your answer to be that you learned nothing I don't believe that Bill would be hurt on TF's behalf but on yours. Most of what I read, I can find agreement with. I agreed with most of what Torrance what, even though I found it to be a very difficult read. His word choices, writing style, etc., were difficult. I learn most, however, when I examine areas where I do not agree. Those areas that seem questionable are the areas where I find digging beneficial. Lance wrote: You've shown no reticence to enter the fray on issues much less substantive than this one (trivial in fact). Tell me David, would a direct invitation from Bill cause you to comply? Sure! An invitation from Bill would make all the difference in the world. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ
In regards to remarks on The Mediation of Christ, David says, Sure! An invitation from Bill would make all the difference in the world. David, please consider yourself invited. I'll be looking forward to reading your thoughts. Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ Lance wrote: Why not challenge yourself by outlining all that you are able to affirm in MOC? The most delightful thing in his book was his conveyance of God's incarnation in Israel through history. I enjoyed seeing his acceptance of the Messianic movement as being part of end time prophetic fulfillment, which I also believe. Lance wrote: Remember the old song, Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative?. Were your answer to be that you learned nothing I don't believe that Bill would be hurt on TF's behalf but on yours. Most of what I read, I can find agreement with. I agreed with most of what Torrance what, even though I found it to be a very difficult read. His word choices, writing style, etc., were difficult. I learn most, however, when I examine areas where I do not agree. Those areas that seem questionable are the areas where I find digging beneficial. Lance wrote: You've shown no reticence to enter the fray on issues much less substantive than this one (trivial in fact). Tell me David, would a direct invitation from Bill cause you to comply? Sure! An invitation from Bill would make all the difference in the world. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ
David: Why not challenge yourself by outlining all that you are able to affirm in MOC? In saying that you wish to learn from such as Bill and, that Bill esteems MOC what then did you learn from it? Remember the old song, Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative?. Were your answer to be that you learned nothing I don't believe that Bill would be hurt on TF's behalf but on yours. You've shown no reticence to enter the fray on issues much less substantive than this one (trivial in fact). Tell me David, would a direct invitation from Bill cause you to comply? Lance From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 30, 2004 22:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ Lance wrote: You've come to see the impact that this man has on some of us. Please submit your reflections on this book. Issues involving text and interpretation could then be addressed as well as the nature, distinctives and content of Trinitarian thought. Hi Lance. I appreciate the invitation to discuss this book, but I must confess that I'm a little nervous about doing so. This book was very precious to Bill, and I don't think I appreciated it as much as he did. Maybe we should first talk about how I talk about things. Elsman recently said that I am the nabob of negativism. I asked my wife about that. Do you think I am a negative person? She said no, but she did say that I nit pick. She explained what I think Elsman was trying to say. I realize that my training in science was to be skeptical of everything we read. We were drilled to read something and then find everything wrong with it. Question everything and assume nothing. Give nobody the benefit of the doubt, no matter what his reputation. I think I carry that over to TruthTalk and it disturbs people like Sherry, Bill, Elsman, and perhaps others. I certainly have a lot of thoughts about Torrance's book. I jotted down some notes for future consideration. However, at this time, I think I am more concerned about maybe changing the way I talk to people so that I don't put off such great people like Bill. I enjoy people who are knowledgeable and educated, especially in areas where I am not. Maybe now is a time for me to be more quiet and listen to Bill a little bit more. One thing is for sure, I do not want to run him off by saying something disturbing to him about the book, The Mediation of Christ. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed reading the book, but many of my comments might not be as positive as Bill would like. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's The Mediation of Christ
Lance wrote: You've come to see the impact that this man has on some of us. Please submit your reflections on this book. Issues involving text and interpretation could then be addressed as well as the nature, distinctives and content of Trinitarian thought. Hi Lance. I appreciate the invitation to discuss this book, but I must confess that I'm a little nervous about doing so. This book was very precious to Bill, and I don't think I appreciated it as much as he did. Maybe we should first talk about how I talk about things. Elsman recently said that I am the nabob of negativism. I asked my wife about that. Do you think I am a negative person? She said no, but she did say that I nit pick. She explained what I think Elsman was trying to say. I realize that my training in science was to be skeptical of everything we read. We were drilled to read something and then find everything wrong with it. Question everything and assume nothing. Give nobody the benefit of the doubt, no matter what his reputation. I think I carry that over to TruthTalk and it disturbs people like Sherry, Bill, Elsman, and perhaps others. I certainly have a lot of thoughts about Torrance's book. I jotted down some notes for future consideration. However, at this time, I think I am more concerned about maybe changing the way I talk to people so that I don't put off such great people like Bill. I enjoy people who are knowledgeable and educated, especially in areas where I am not. Maybe now is a time for me to be more quiet and listen to Bill a little bit more. One thing is for sure, I do not want to run him off by saying something disturbing to him about the book, The Mediation of Christ. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed reading the book, but many of my comments might not be as positive as Bill would like. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
