Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even
thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that
there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and
believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a
friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did
love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe
ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand
everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the
Father who make it and we stillneed to walk
circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who
does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22).
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I dont want to be
the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds
of Things. I dont want to spend my life fighting against
everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ.
Like Jesus, I dont want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with
His Truth. Jesus didnt reject the prostitute. He redeemed
her. Jesus didnt reject the world. He became part of it. He
bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret
Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture
revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the things of the world on
their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be
mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the
world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of
man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing
contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why cant
we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be
bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new
age. izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
I don't see His parables as every day
stuff - especially not when he told His disciples
that
he spoke in parables so that some
would not see - rather than to make it easy for the
regular
run of the mill person out there (see
Matt 13:34-43)
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I use the word
secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff.
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
Why do you call them "the secular
allegory of His day?" Iz
Wasn't He born under the Law into a
theocracy?
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Jesus used the
secular allegory of His day; called parables.
iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??
In a message
dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Ugh!
Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a
while. Did God say it was
through
secular
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of
preaching??
Blainerb:
Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings?
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
We can walk very circumspectly and still use the technology and cultures of the world to reach souls for Christ. The dark ages were dark because the Word was under the control of the rigid religious institutions and kept in a box. The whole world wont be redeemed until Christ returns. Until then we redeem one life at a time. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 2:59 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the Father who make it and we stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont want to be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of Things. I dont want to spend my life fighting against everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I dont want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didnt reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didnt reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the things of the world on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why cant we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43) On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use the word secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Why do you call them the secular allegory of His day? Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
God hasn't redeemed the whole world . ?? !-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the Father who make it and we stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't want to be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didn't reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why can't we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43) On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use the word secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff". From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
He paid the price for all of them - but they won't all
come. Read your Bible JD.
It is those who not only come - but those who endure to
the end who are saved.
Also it's good to be red hot for the Lord because He
spews the lukewarm out.
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God hasn't redeemed the whole world
. ??
!-Original
Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun,
11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to
Elvis??
Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even
thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that
there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and
believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a
friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did
love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe
ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand
everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of
the Father who make it and we stillneed to
walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is
he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22).
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I don't want to be
the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For
God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against
everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ.
Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with
His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the prostitute. He redeemed
her. Jesus didn't reject the world. He became part of it.
He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret
Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture
revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on
their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be
mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the
world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of
man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing
contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why can't
we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not
be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new
age. izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
I don't see His parables as every
day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples
that
he spoke in parables so that some
would not see - rather than to make it easy for the
regular
run of the mill person out there
(see Matt 13:34-43)
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I use the word
secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff".
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
Why do you call them
"the secular allegory of His day?" Iz
Wasn't He born under
the Law into a theocracy?
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Jesus used the
secular allegory of His day; called parables.
iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??
In a message
dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ugh!
Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a
while. Did God say it was
through
secular
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of
preaching??
Blainerb:
Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings?
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him&qu
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
So then, DAVID MILLER, just what is it that you're
saying concern yourself and Judy vis a vis THE SPIRIT AND
INTERPRETATION?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable
to Elvis??
He paid the price for all of them - but they won't
all come. Read your Bible JD.
It is those who not only come - but those who endure
to the end who are saved.
Also it's good to be red hot for the Lord because He
spews the lukewarm out.
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God hasn't redeemed the whole world
. ??
!-Original
Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:59:04
-0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
Where was the Word during the dark ages?
(even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now
deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and
believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a
friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did
love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe
ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him,
He did not run about willy nilly embracing
everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's
those who do the will of the Father who make it and we
stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith
we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn
himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22).
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I don't want to
be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For
God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against
everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in
Christ. Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to
embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the
prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didn't reject the
world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed
it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the
world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture
revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on
their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be
mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome
the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of
man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new
printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called
Bibles. Why can't we just read from the scrolls like our
grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but
explodes exponentially with each new age.
izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
I don't see His
parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples
that
he spoke in parables
so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the
regular
run of the mill
person out there (see Matt 13:34-43)
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I use the word
secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff".
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
Why do you call
them "the secular allegory of His day?"
Iz
Wasn't He born
under the Law into a theocracy?
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Jesus used
the secular allegory of His day; called parables.
iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??
In a message
dated 12/9/2005 6:
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
Christ has paid the price for all of mankind. Some will accept and others will not. But redemption for all in Christ has already occurred -- the shedding of His blood (Eph 1:7) is for all. What God in Christ desired to dofor the world (John 3:16) He accomplished. jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:22:49 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? He paid the price for all of them - but they won't all come. Read your Bible JD. It is those who not only come - but those who endure to the end who are saved. Also it's good to be red hot for the Lord because He spews the lukewarm out. On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God hasn't redeemed the whole world . ?? !-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the Father who make it and we stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't want to be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didn't reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why can't we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43) On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use the word secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff". From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings?
RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings?
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
I use the word secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:43 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? Why do you call them the secular allegory of His day? Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43) On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use the word secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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I dont want to be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of Things. I dont want to spend my life fighting against everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I dont want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didnt reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didnt reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the things of the world on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why cant we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:10 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43) On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use the word secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Why do you call them the secular allegory of His day? Iz Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching?? Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/film/nearer-my-narnia-to-thee/2005/12/08/1133829717953.html Nearer my Narnia to thee Disney is deliberately promoting this film to the religious - it has appointed Outreach, an evangelical publisher, to promote the Christian message behind the movie in British churches, for example. The British Christian radio station Premier is urging churches to hold services on the theme of The Gospel According to Narnia. Even the Methodists have written a special Narnia-themed service. And a parish in south-east England is giving away ££10,000 ($A23,150) worth of film tickets to single-parent families. (Are the children of single mothers in special need of the word?) US born-agains are using the movie. The Mission America Coalition is "inviting church leaders around the country to consider the fantastic ministry opportunity presented by the release of this film". The president's brother, Jeb Bush, the Governor of Florida, is organising a scheme for every child in his state to read the book. Walden Media, co-producer of the movie, offers a "17-week Narnia Bible study for children". The owner of Walden Media is both a big Republican donor and a donor to the Florida governor's book promotion - a neat synergy of politics, religion and product placement. It has aroused protests from Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which complains that "a governmental endorsement of the book's religious message is in violation of the First Amendment to the US Constitution". Most children will be utterly clueless about any message beyond the age-old mythic battle between good and evil. Most of the fairy story works as well as any Norse saga, pagan legend or modern fantasy, so only those familiar with Christian iconography will see Jesus in the lion. After all, 43 per cent of people in Britain in a recent poll couldn't say what Easter celebrated. But so far, so good. The story makes sense. The lion exchanging his life for Edmund's is the sort of thing Arthurian legends are made of. Parfait knights and heroes in prisoner-of-war camps do it all the time. But what's this? After a long, dark night of the soul and women's weeping, the lion is suddenly alive again. Why? How? my children used to ask. Well, it is hard to say why. It does not make any more sense in C.S. Lewis's tale than in the gospels. Ah, Aslan explains, it is the "deep magic", where pure sacrifice alone vanquishes death.Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls. Did we ask him to? Poor child Edmund, to blame for everything, must bear the full weight of a guilt only Christians know how to inflict, with a twisted knife to the heart. Every one of those thorns, the nuns used to tell my mother, is hammered into Jesus' holy head every day that you don't eat your greens or say your prayers when you are told. So the resurrected Aslan gives Edmund a long, life-changing talking-to high up on the rocks out of our earshot. When the poor boy comes back down with the sacred lion's breath upon him, he is transformed unrecognisably into a Stepford brother, well and truly purged. Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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AND? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 07, 2005 16:37 Subject: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? The more I read about this fellow the more alarming it becomes. Of course none of it would matter to Lance, but there is much more mixture than I had previously suspected. C. S. Lewis SuperstarHow a reserved British intellectual with a checkered pedigree became a rock star for evangelicals.by Bob Smietana | posted 11/23/2005 10:00 a.m.At first glance, C. S. Lewis and Elvis Presley seem like polar opposites. But a closer look will show that these two cultural icons have a lot in common. Like Elvis, C. S. Lewis had been a soldier. Both men came to fame on the radio. Both men's homes (Graceland and the Kilns) have become pilgrimage sites. Both left behind estates now valued in the millions. And both rose from relative obscurityElvis, a Mississippi truck driver, and Lewis, a tutor at Oxfordto become larger-than-life figures profiled in books and movies and beloved by legions of adoring fans. Like Elvis, even after death, Lewis remains a superstar. Clive Staples Lewis was anything but a classic evangelical, socially or theologically. He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, and he regularly visited pubs to drink beer with friends. Though he shared basic Christian beliefs with evangelicals, he didn't subscribe to biblical inerrancy or penal substitution. He believed in purgatory and baptismal regeneration. How did someone with such a checkered pedigree come to be a theological Elvis Presley, adored by evangelicals? The Problem of PainThe journey begins in 1940, when the world was teetering on the brink of collapse. The Nazis were rampaging across Europe. France had fallen, Hitler had signed a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and only Great Britain stood in the way of Nazi domination of Europe. Theologian J. I. Packer was a schoolboy at the time in England. He recalls being taught about "inevitable progress fueled by scientists who were churning out the idea that science was going to transform the world. Science and education would make everything wonderfully different." Such liberal idealism quickly ran into sin-drenched reality. Packer notes dryly, "In the early months of the Second World War, the plausibility of that began to diminish rapidly." Into this void stepped Lewis, a former atheist and current member of the Church of England. Known to his friends as Jack, his literary success so far had been uninspiring. Sales of his book, The Pilgrim's Regress, had disappointed the publisher, J. M. Dent Sons. In Clive Staples Lewis: A Dramatic Life, William Griffin notes that when Lewis sent Dent a manuscript of his science fiction novel, Out of the Silent Planet, the publisher returned it. But Ashley Sampson, editor of a theological series called the Christian Challenge, had appreciated The Pilgrim's Regress. Sampson asked Lewis to write a book about suffering. Lewis agreed, and in it, rather than promoting "inevitable progress," he argued that pain and suffering are inevitable. Lewis drew on Scripture and Christian tradition to make a rather old-fashioned point. "We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven," Lewis wrote. "We are afraid of the jeer about 'pie in the sky' and of being told that we are trying to 'escape' from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is 'pie in the sky,' or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is written into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or not." On the RadioThe Problem of Pain became Lewis's first publishing success. Soon after its release, Lewis received a letter from J. W. Welch, head of religious programming at the BBC. Would Lewis consider recording a series? The idea astounded Lewis, who, Griffin notes, "hardly listened to the radio and could not remember having heard a religious program." Welch suggested two options: a series about Christian influence on modern literature or "a positive restatement of Christian doctrines in lay language." The second appealed to Lewis. He wrote to Welch, telling him he would be glad to help, provided the programs could wait until the summer holidays. In August 1941, Lewis began a series of four 15-minute programs for the BBC, with the assistance of a Presbyterian minister named Eric Fenn. The first series, "Right and Wrong: A Clue to the Meaning of the Universe," was followed by talks on "What Christians Believe" and "Christian Behavior." The three series would form the basis for Lewis's masterwork of apologetics, Mere Christianity. He
Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
It is so SAD that the confessing church or Christians run from one FAD to the next! The prayer of jabez The passion movie Now the Narnia movie. When the passion was out churches bought tickets. There were predictions of Revivals Is this the NEW evangelism, buy someone a ticket to Narnia?Why would someone believe that a operation like DISNEY would be a conduit for Christianity? Christians get so EXCITED about a Movie, do they get so excited about Jesus? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more I read about this fellow the more alarming it becomes. Of course none of it would matter to Lance, but there is much more mixture than I had previously suspected.C. S. Lewis SuperstarHow a reserved British intellectual with a checkered pedigree became a rock star for evangelicals.by Bob Smietana | posted 11/23/2005 10:00 a.m.At first glance, C. S. Lewis and Elvis Presley seem like polar opposites. But a closer look will show that these two cultural icons have a lot in common. Like Elvis, C. S. Lewis had been a soldier. Both men came to fame on the radio. Both men's homes (Graceland and the Kilns) have become pilgrimage sites. Both left behind estates now valued in the millions. And both rose from relative obscurityElvis, a Mississippi truck driver, and Lewis, a tutor at Oxfordto become larger-than-life figures profiled in books and movies and beloved by legions of adoring fans. Like Elvis, even after death, Lewis remains a superstar. Clive Staples Lewis was anything but a classic evangelical, socially or theologically. He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, and he regularly visited pubs to drink beer with friends. Though he shared basic Christian beliefs with evangelicals, he didn't subscribe to biblical inerrancy or penal substitution. He believed in purgatory and baptismal regeneration. How did someone with such a checkered pedigree come to be a theological Elvis Presley, adored by evangelicals? The Problem of PainThe journey begins in 1940, when the world was teetering on the brink of collapse. The Nazis were rampaging across Europe. France had fallen, Hitler had signed a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and only Great Britain stood in the way of Nazi domination of Europe. Theologian J. I. Packer was a schoolboy at the time in England. He recalls being taught about "inevitable progress fueled by scientists who were churning out the idea that science was going to transform the world. Science and education would make everything wonderfully different." Such liberal idealism quickly ran into sin-drenched reality. Packer notes dryly, "In the early months of the Second World War, the plausibility of that began to diminish rapidly." Into this void stepped Lewis, a former atheist and current member of the Church of England. Known to his friends as Jack, his literary success so far had been uninspiring. Sales of his book, The Pilgrim's Regress, had disappointed the publisher, J. M. Dent Sons. In Clive Staples Lewis: A Dramatic Life, William Griffin notes that when Lewis sent Dent a manuscript of his science fiction novel, Out of the Silent Planet, the publisher returned it. But Ashley Sampson, editor of a theological series called the Christian Challenge, had appreciated The Pilgrim's Regress. Sampson asked Lewis to write a book about suffering. Lewis agreed, and in it, rather than promoting "inevitable progress," he argued that pain and suffering are inevitable. Lewis drew on Scripture and Christian tradition to make a rather old-fashioned point. "We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven," Lewis wrote. "We are afraid of the jeer about 'pie in the sky' and of being told that we are trying to 'escape' from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is 'pie in the sky,' or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is written into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or not." On the RadioThe Problem of Pain became Lewis's first publishing success. Soon after its release, Lewis received a letter from J. W. Welch, head of religious programming at the BBC. Would Lewis consider recording a series? The idea astounded Lewis, who, Griffin notes, "hardly listened to the radio and could not remember having heard a religious program." Welch suggested two options: a series about Christian influence on modern literature or "a positive restatement of Christian doctrines in lay language." The second appealed to Lewis. He wrote to Welch, telling him he would be glad to help, provided the programs could wait until the summer holidays. In August 1941, Lewis began a series of four 15-minute programs for the BBC, with the assistance of a Presbyterian minister named Eric Fenn. The first series, "Right and Wrong: A Clue to the Meaning of the Universe," was followed by talks on "What Christians Believe" and
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You missed the Lord of the Rings Lewis and Tolkien - Occult mystery/mythology twins It is most definitely sad, sad, sad. On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:25:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is so SAD that the confessing church or Christians run from one FAD to the next! The prayer of jabez The passion movie Now the Narnia movie. When the passion was out churches bought tickets. There were predictions of Revivals Is this the NEW evangelism, buy someone a ticket to Narnia? Why would someone believe that a operation like DISNEY would be a conduit for Christianity? Christians get so EXCITED about a Movie, do they get so excited about Jesus? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more I read about this fellow the more alarming it becomes. Of course none of it would matter to Lance, but there is much more mixture than I had previously suspected. C. S. Lewis SuperstarHow a reserved British intellectual with a checkered pedigree became a rock star for evangelicals.by Bob Smietana | posted 11/23/2005 10:00 a.m.At first glance, C. S. Lewis and Elvis Presley seem like polar opposites. But a closer look will show that these two cultural icons have a lot in common. Like Elvis, C. S. Lewis had been a soldier. Both men came to fame on the radio. Both men's homes (Graceland and the Kilns) have become pilgrimage sites. Both left behind estates now valued in the millions. And both rose from relative obscurityElvis, a Mississippi truck driver, and Lewis, a tutor at Oxfordto become larger-than-life figures profiled in books and movies and beloved by legions of adoring fans. Like Elvis, even after death, Lewis remains a superstar. Clive Staples Lewis was anything but a classic evangelical, socially or theologically. He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, and he regularly visited pubs to drink beer with friends. Though he shared basic Christian beliefs with evangelicals, he didn't subscribe to biblical inerrancy or penal substitution. He believed in purgatory and baptismal regeneration. How did someone with such a checkered pedigree come to be a theological Elvis Presley, adored by evangelicals? The Problem of PainThe journey begins in 1940, when the world was teetering on the brink of collapse. The Nazis were rampaging across Europe. France had fallen, Hitler had signed a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and only Great Britain stood in the way of Nazi domination of Europe. Theologian J. I. Packer was a schoolboy at the time in England. He recalls being taught about "inevitable progress fueled by scientists who were churning out the idea that science was going to transform the world. Science and education would make everything wonderfully different." Such liberal idealism quickly ran into sin-drenched reality. Packer notes dryly, "In the early months of the Second World War, the plausibility of that began to diminish rapidly." Into this void stepped Lewis, a former atheist and current member of the Church of England. Known to his friends as Jack, his literary success so far had been uninspiring. Sales of his book, The Pilgrim's Regress, had disappointed the publisher, J. M. Dent Sons. In Clive Staples Lewis: A Dramatic Life, William Griffin notes that when Lewis sent Dent a manuscript of his science fiction novel, Out of the Silent Planet, the publisher returned it. But Ashley Sampson, editor of a theological series called the Christian Challenge, had appreciated The Pilgrim's Regress. Sampson asked Lewis to write a book about suffering. Lewis agreed, and in it, rather than promoting "inevitable progress," he argued that pain and suffering are inevitable. Lewis drew on Scripture and Christian tradition to make a rather old-fashioned point. "We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven," Lewis wrote. "We are afraid of the jeer about 'pie in the sky' and of being told that we are trying to 'escape' from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is 'pie in the sky,' or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is written into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or not." On the RadioThe Problem of Pain became Lewis's first publishing success. Soon after its release, Lewis received a letter from J. W. Welch, head of religious programming at the BBC. Would Lewis consider recording a series? The idea astounded Lewis, who, Griffin notes, "hardly listened to the radio and could not remember having heard a religious program." Welch suggested two options: a
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Well, its Disneyland or diapers, right deegan. Wave those undies or hand out tickets. This evangelism business is a complicadated thing, ain't it? jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:25:33 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? It is so SAD that the confessing church or Christians run from one FAD to the next! The prayer of jabez The passion movie Now the Narnia movie. When the passion was out churches bought tickets. There were predictions of Revivals Is this the NEW evangelism, buy someone a ticket to Narnia? Why would someone believe that a operation like DISNEY would be a conduit for Christianity? Christians get so EXCITED about a Movie, do they get so excited about Jesus? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more I read about this fellow the more alarming it becomes. Of course none of it would matter to Lance, but there is much more mixture than I had previously suspected. C. S. Lewis SuperstarHow a reserved British intellectual with a checkered pedigree became a rock star for evangelicals.by Bob Smietana | posted 11/23/2005 10:00 a.m.At first glance, C. S. Lewis and Elvis Presley seem like polar opposites. But a closer look will show that these two cultural icons have a lot in common. Like Elvis, C. S. Lewis had been a soldier. Both men came to fame on the radio. Both men's homes (Graceland and the Kilns) have become pilgrimage sites. Both left behind estates now valued in the millions. And both rose from relative obscurity-Elvis, a Mississippi truck driver, and Lewis, a tutor at Oxford-to become larger-than-life figures profiled in books and movies and beloved by legions of adoring fans. Like Elvis, even after death, Lewis remains a superstar. Clive Staples Lewis was anything but a classic evangelical, socially or theologically. He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, and he regularly visited pubs to drink beer with friends. Though he shared basic Christian beliefs with evangelicals, he didn't subscribe to biblical inerrancy or penal substitution. He believed in purgatory and baptismal regeneration. How did someone with such a checkered pedigree come to be a theological Elvis Presley, adored by evangelicals? The Problem of PainThe journey begins in 1940, when the world was teetering on the brink of collapse. The Nazis were rampaging across Europe. France had fallen, Hitler had signed a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and only Great Britain stood in the way of Nazi domination of Europe. Theologian J. I. Packer was a schoolboy at the time in England. He recalls being taught about "inevitable progress . fueled by scientists who were churning out the idea that science was going to transform the world. Science and education would make everything wonderfully different." Such liberal idealism quickly ran into sin-drenched reality. Packer notes dryly, "In the early months of the Second World War, the plausibility of that began to diminish rapidly." Into this void stepped Lewis, a former atheist and current member of the Church of England. Known to his friends as Jack, his literary success so far had been uninspiring. Sales of his book, The Pilgrim's Regress, had disappointed the publisher, J. M. Dent Sons. In Clive Staples Lewis: A Dramatic Life, William Griffin notes that when Lewis sent Dent a manuscript of his science fiction novel, Out of the Silent Planet, the publisher returned it. But Ashley Sampson, editor of a theological series called the Christian Challenge, had appreciated The Pilgrim's Regress. Sampson asked Lewis to write a book about suffering. Lewis agreed, and in it, rather than promoting "inevitable progress," he argued that pain and suffering are inevitable. Lewis drew on Scripture and Christian tradition to make a rather old-fashioned point. "We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven," Lewis wrote. "We are afraid of the jeer about 'pie in the sky' and of being told that we are trying to 'escape' from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is 'pie in the sky,' or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is written into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or not." On the RadioThe Problem of Pain became Lewis's first publishing success. Soon after its release, Lewis received a letter from J. W. Welch, head of religious programming at the BBC. Would Lewis consider recording a series? The idea astounded Lewis, who, Griffin notes, "hardly listened to the radio and could not remember having heard a religious program." Welch suggested two options: a series about Christian influence on modern literature or "a positive restatement of Christian doctrines in lay language." The second appealed to Lewis. He wrote to We
RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
PS Lewis didnt marry until he was past childbearing age, so to speak. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:37 PM To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? The more I read about this fellow the more alarming it becomes. Of course none of it would matter to Lance, but there is much more mixture than I had previously suspected. C. S. Lewis Superstar How a reserved British intellectual with a checkered pedigree became a rock star for evangelicals. by Bob Smietana | posted 11/23/2005 10:00 a.m. At first glance, C. S. Lewis and Elvis Presley seem like polar opposites. But a closer look will show that these two cultural icons have a lot in common. Like Elvis, C. S. Lewis had been a soldier. Both men came to fame on the radio. Both men's homes (Graceland and the Kilns) have become pilgrimage sites. Both left behind estates now valued in the millions. And both rose from relative obscurityElvis, a Mississippi truck driver, and Lewis, a tutor at Oxfordto become larger-than-life figures profiled in books and movies and beloved by legions of adoring fans. Like Elvis, even after death, Lewis remains a superstar. Clive Staples Lewis was anything but a classic evangelical, socially or theologically. He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, and he regularly visited pubs to drink beer with friends. Though he shared basic Christian beliefs with evangelicals, he didn't subscribe to biblical inerrancy or penal substitution. He believed in purgatory and baptismal regeneration. How did someone with such a checkered pedigree come to be a theological Elvis Presley, adored by evangelicals? The Problem of Pain The journey begins in 1940, when the world was teetering on the brink of collapse. The Nazis were rampaging across Europe. France had fallen, Hitler had signed a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and only Great Britain stood in the way of Nazi domination of Europe. Theologian J. I. Packer was a schoolboy at the time in England. He recalls being taught about inevitable progress fueled by scientists who were churning out the idea that science was going to transform the world. Science and education would make everything wonderfully different. Such liberal idealism quickly ran into sin-drenched reality. Packer notes dryly, In the early months of the Second World War, the plausibility of that began to diminish rapidly. Into this void stepped Lewis, a former atheist and current member of the Church of England. Known to his friends as Jack, his literary success so far had been uninspiring. Sales of his book, The Pilgrim's Regress, had disappointed the publisher, J. M. Dent Sons. In Clive Staples Lewis: A Dramatic Life, William Griffin notes that when Lewis sent Dent a manuscript of his science fiction novel, Out of the Silent Planet, the publisher returned it. But Ashley Sampson, editor of a theological series called the Christian Challenge, had appreciated The Pilgrim's Regress. Sampson asked Lewis to write a book about suffering. Lewis agreed, and in it, rather than promoting inevitable progress, he argued that pain and suffering are inevitable. Lewis drew on Scripture and Christian tradition to make a rather old-fashioned point. We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven, Lewis wrote. We are afraid of the jeer about 'pie in the sky' and of being told that we are trying to 'escape' from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is 'pie in the sky,' or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is written into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or not. On the Radio The Problem of Pain became Lewis's first publishing success. Soon after its release, Lewis received a letter from J. W. Welch, head of religious programming at the BBC. Would Lewis consider recording a series? The idea astounded Lewis, who, Griffin notes, hardly listened to the radio and could not remember having heard a religious program. Welch suggested two options: a series about Christian influence on modern literature or a positive restatement of Christian doctrines in lay language. The second appealed to Lewis. He wrote to Welch, telling him he would be glad to help, provided the programs could wait until the summer holidays. In August 1941, Lewis began a series of four 15-minute programs for the BBC, with the assistance of a Presbyterian minister named Eric Fenn. The first series, Right and Wrong: A Clue to the Meaning of the Universe, was followed by talks on What Christians Believe and Christian Behavior. The three series would form the basis for Lewis's masterwork of apologetics, Mere Christianity. He would appear 29 times on the radio, each with an estimated audience of 600,000 people. The radio talks
RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??
At age 58, the long time bachelor C.S. Lewis married Joy Gresham. She met Lewis in England, returned to the States and was divorced from her husband, then traveled back to England to marry Lewis. According to two of Lewiss friends, Greshams husband divorced her on the grounds of desertion (Roger Lancelyn Green Walter Hooper, Light on C.S. Lewis).ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:PS Lewis didnt marry until he was past childbearing age, so to speak. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:37 PMTo: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis?? The more I read about this fellow the more alarming it becomes. Of course none of it would matter to Lance,but there is much more mixture than I had previously suspected.C. S. Lewis SuperstarHow a reserved British intellectual with a checkered pedigree became a rock star for evangelicals.by Bob Smietana | posted 11/23/2005 10:00 a.m.At first glance, C. S. Lewis and Elvis Presley seem like polar opposites. But a closer look will show that these two cultural icons have a lot in common. Like Elvis, C. S. Lewis had been a soldier. Both men came to fame on the radio. Both men's homes (Graceland and the Kilns) have become pilgrimage sites. Both left behind estates now valued in the millions. And both rose from relative obscurityElvis, a Mississippi truck driver, and Lewis, a tutor at Oxfordto become larger-than-life figures profiled in books and movies and beloved by legions of adoring fans. Like Elvis, even after death, Lewis remains a superstar. Clive Staples Lewis was anything but a classic evangelical, socially or theologically. He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, and he regularly visited pubs to drink beer with friends. Though he shared basic Christian beliefs with evangelicals, he didn't subscribe to biblical inerrancy or penal substitution. He believed in purgatory and baptismal regeneration. How did someone with such a checkered pedigree come to be a theological Elvis Presley, adored by evangelicals? The Problem of PainThe journey begins in 1940, when the world was teetering on the brink of collapse. The Nazis were rampaging across Europe. France had fallen, Hitler had signed a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and only Great Britain stood in the way of Nazi domination of Europe. Theologian J. I. Packer was a schoolboy at the time in England. He recalls being taught about "inevitable progress fueled by scientists who were churning out the idea that science was going to transform the world. Science and education would make everything wonderfully different." Such liberal idealism quickly ran into sin-drenched reality. Packer notes dryly, "In the early months of the Second World War, the plausibility of that began to diminish rapidly." Into this void stepped Lewis, a former atheist and current member of the Church of England. Known to his friends as Jack, his literary success so far had been uninspiring. Sales of his book, The Pilgrim's Regress, had disappointed the publisher, J. M. Dent Sons. In Clive Staples Lewis: A Dramatic Life, William Griffin notes that when Lewis sent Dent a manuscript of his science fiction novel, Out of the Silent Planet, the publisher returned it. But Ashley Sampson, editor of a theological series called the Christian Challenge, had appreciated The Pilgrim's Regress. Sampson asked Lewis to write a book about suffering. Lewis agreed, and in it, rather than promoting "inevitable progress," he argued that pain and suffering are inevitable. Lewis drew on Scripture and Christian tradition to make a rather old-fashioned point. "We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven," Lewis wrote. "We are afraid of the jeer about 'pie in the sky' and of being told that we are trying to 'escape' from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is 'pie in the sky,' or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is written into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or not." On the RadioThe Problem of Pain became Lewis's first publishing success. Soon after its release, Lewis received a letter from J. W. Welch, head of religious programming at the BBC. Would Lewis consider recording a series? The idea astounded Lewis, who, Griffin notes, "hardly listened to the radio and could not remember having heard a religious program." Welch suggested two options: a series about Christian influence on modern literature or "a positive restatement of Christian doctrines in lay language." The second appealed to Lewis. He wrote to Welch, telling him he would be glad to help, provided the programs could wait until the summer holidays. In August 1941, Lewis began a series of four 15-minute programs for the BBC, with the
