Re: Confusion about SDO's

2007-03-28 Thread António Mota

Ok, thanks for that, i'm going to check it out.

2007/3/28, Frank Budinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

SDO 1 had lots of implementation dependent APIs, that have been replaced
by standard APIs in SDO 2, so moving from SDO 1 to 2 requires some porting
effort.

You should ask questions about the SDO 1 implementation in IBM RAD 6 on
the EMF newsgroup at Eclipse: news://news.eclipse.org/eclipse.tools.emf

Frank.

António Mota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2007 08:28:20 AM:

 Hi.

 Thanks for your answer. So, from what i understand, the version of SDO
 i'm using with IBM RAD 6 is that version 1 that is now deprecated? Is
 it possible to substitute that IBM version with the current Tuscany
 version?

 Other thing, is it OK if i ask questions directly related to the IBM
 RAD SDO version in this mailing list? Do you know another place, since
 IBM thinks that that is not necessary? (
 http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_thread.jsp?

message=13790505cat=24thread=105205treeDisplayType=threadmode1forum=339#13790505
 )

 Thanks for your help.




 2007/3/27, Frank Budinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  SDO is a specification developed by an industry consortium (OSOA). The
  current version of the specification is 2.1 and can be found at
  http://osoa.org.
 
  Several companies have implementations of SDO in their products
including:
  BEA, IBM, Oracle, SAP, RogueWave, XCalia. IBM's implementation of SDO
  version 1 was done at Eclipse, but that project has since been
deprecated
  and moved to Apache (Tuscany). Tuscany is currently implementing SDO
2.1.
  There is also an Oracle implementation of SDO that was recently
proposed
  for Eclipse (the EclipseLink project). It will also be SDO 2.1, but
with
  different features and performance characteristics than Tuscany.
 
  In terms of standardization, SDO for Java is going to be standardized
via
  the JCP (JSR 235). Other languages are moving to OASIS.
 
  Frank.
 
  António Mota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/27/2007 10:24:51 AM:
 
   Can someone please enlight me about these SDO things?
  
   I've worked in a project a year ago where i used IBM RAD with JSF
and
   SDO Relational Records and Relational Record Lists. At that time i
   searched the web for material and found almost nothing valuable, but
i
   did got the impression that SDO was a proprietary technology that
   IBM and Oracle and a few other minor players decided to implement
   without the approval of the JCP/Sun and so it was not part of J2EE.
  
   I did found the technology to be very interesting, but due to the
lack
   of support and information (among other factors) the work did not
went
   well and was interrupted in the middle.
  
   Now, one year after, i suggested again the use of IBM RAD with JSF
and
   SDO in a shop that works almost exclusively with IBM technologies.
   Despite my bad experience with it. But i found that the information
   and support still doesn't practically exist.
  
   However, now i found references to SDO not only with IBM and Oracle,
   but also in relation to some other vendors, PHP, and more confusing
   with Eclipse and Apache... Oh, and OSOA too..
  
   So my question is, is all these SDO the same thing? Are IBM and
Oracle
   and Eclipse and Apache developing the same thing in different ways?
   Did they all centralized the development in Apache? If so, IBM RAD
   have older versions of SDO or their own implementation?
  
  
   I think it's all too confusing...
  
  
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Re: Confusion about SDO's

2007-03-27 Thread Frank Budinsky
SDO is a specification developed by an industry consortium (OSOA). The 
current version of the specification is 2.1 and can be found at 
http://osoa.org.

Several companies have implementations of SDO in their products including: 
BEA, IBM, Oracle, SAP, RogueWave, XCalia. IBM's implementation of SDO 
version 1 was done at Eclipse, but that project has since been deprecated 
and moved to Apache (Tuscany). Tuscany is currently implementing SDO 2.1. 
There is also an Oracle implementation of SDO that was recently proposed 
for Eclipse (the EclipseLink project). It will also be SDO 2.1, but with 
different features and performance characteristics than Tuscany.

In terms of standardization, SDO for Java is going to be standardized via 
the JCP (JSR 235). Other languages are moving to OASIS.

Frank.

António Mota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/27/2007 10:24:51 AM:

 Can someone please enlight me about these SDO things?
 
 I've worked in a project a year ago where i used IBM RAD with JSF and
 SDO Relational Records and Relational Record Lists. At that time i
 searched the web for material and found almost nothing valuable, but i
 did got the impression that SDO was a proprietary technology that
 IBM and Oracle and a few other minor players decided to implement
 without the approval of the JCP/Sun and so it was not part of J2EE.
 
 I did found the technology to be very interesting, but due to the lack
 of support and information (among other factors) the work did not went
 well and was interrupted in the middle.
 
 Now, one year after, i suggested again the use of IBM RAD with JSF and
 SDO in a shop that works almost exclusively with IBM technologies.
 Despite my bad experience with it. But i found that the information
 and support still doesn't practically exist.
 
 However, now i found references to SDO not only with IBM and Oracle,
 but also in relation to some other vendors, PHP, and more confusing
 with Eclipse and Apache... Oh, and OSOA too..
 
 So my question is, is all these SDO the same thing? Are IBM and Oracle
 and Eclipse and Apache developing the same thing in different ways?
 Did they all centralized the development in Apache? If so, IBM RAD
 have older versions of SDO or their own implementation?
 
 
 I think it's all too confusing...
 
 
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 António Santos Mota
 
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