[Bug 993187] Re: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently.
I just had major data loss due to the computer freezing up because of this bug. A whole git repository was hopelessly damaged. It contains major work data. I don't know what I can restore since the last backup. Maybe some of it. I want to extend my thanks to the developers that marked this bug as WONTFIX. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993187 Title: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/993187/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 993187] Re: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently.
A complicating factor with this bug is how random it is. Sometimes you get several freezes a day, and sometimes it can be weeks between the freezes. Totally random. I think many of the reports that the bug has gone away are just cases of the bug not showing itself for several days or even weeks, although it's still there. I really thought I was out of the woods, since the bug hadn't hit me for a week or two, but then, a few minutes ago, my computer froze again. I was doing work at the time, and was not very happy (to put it mildly...) although luckily no data was lost. The next time I might not be so lucky. So, since this bug is marked as Wontfix, and since no developers seem to care, I'm off to look for another distro. Bye! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993187 Title: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/993187/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 993187] Re: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently.
try the current mainline kernel No. Didn't help. My situation is exactly the one described in #625. I'm on Linuxmint 14 KDE, with the mainline Kernel 3.8.0-999. I've had two freezes in the last two days, the last one two minutes ago. I've tried everything that's ever been suggested. Nothing helps. It's been going on for months... (I've been on Linux for the last 12 years or so, but this bug actually has me thinking abour switching to something else. But to what? Windows is an ocean of pain. OSX is ridiculous. Should I just give up on computing? But it's my living!) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993187 Title: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/993187/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
I just removed the blacklist video to check if the bug is still there. It is. There is absolutely no difference. The screen dims etc. (see my earlier comments). I use the latest Ubuntu 9.04. No fix in sight. Back to blacklist video. -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
When I tested Intrepid Ibex, the bug was still there, and I still needed to put blacklist video in /etc/modprobe.d/local. That workaround is OK for me, but the bug should still be fixed. Others will want to use their brightness controls (the workaround disables them). The bug is clearly in the kernel. I've recently seen it (or some incarnation of it) in Mandrake 2009 and also in the Gparted live CD. The bug should probably be reported to the Linux kernel developers, but I don't know how. -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
I meant Mandriva Linux Free 2009 of course (not Mandrake 2009). Sorry... -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
Won't fix Why? -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 105900] Re: Bold, Italics, and Bold Italics not in English on Fonts menu
Importance: High + Milestone: later seems to be a strange combination. I would help if I could, but my coding skills are really not up to this. I couldn't find anything about this in the actual fontconfig bug database at bugs.freedesktop.org. Hasn't anyone told them? -- Bold, Italics, and Bold Italics not in English on Fonts menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105900 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
I just tested Kubuntu 8.10 RC 1. The bug is still there. I didn't install. I just tested a live CD session. Actually the bug is worse now: My brightness controls only manage to switch between dark as hell and pretty dark (back and forth). Pretty dark is much too dark to do any work. Maybe echo blacklist video | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/local will still work as a temporary solution (it's good enough for me), but I can't test that without actually installing (and I'm not sure I want to do that since KDE4 is not really usable yet). -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 105900] Re: Bold, Italics, and Bold Italics not in English on Fonts menu
A known problem? If it's known, then why hasn't it been fixed? As far as I can tell, it's been known for at least four (4!!) years! Who's sitting on the code? Who's bug is it? -- Bold, Italics, and Bold Italics not in English on Fonts menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105900 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 191292] Re: openoffice.org Accented displayed incorrectly
My laptop has an Intel 945 graphics card, and the driver is i810. (But somehow I doubt that a video driver problem could result in the wrong characters being stored in a PDF file. I can imagine that the correct characters could be displayed wrongly, but not stored wrongly in a file.) -- openoffice.org Accented displayed incorrectly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
echo blacklist video | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/local works for me too. The dimming is gone, but so is the functionality of my brightness controls. But I only ever used them to get the brightness up to max anyway, so I'm happy for now. Thank's a lot, chourave! -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
In my case the brightness changes (dims) when I start a video in VLC, but not when I use any of the other video players that I have tested (Kaffeine e.g. works without any dimming). It also changes (dims) when I start a virtual OS in VirtualBox. The dimming actually happens several times during the boot process of the virtual OS. I only notice that if I turn the brightness back up again immediately after each dimming. I need to use the Power Manager applet in Kubuntu to do that, since the ordinary brightness buttons stop working every time the screen dims. It would be nice to be able to do some other work while the virtual OS is booting (it does take a while), but the only thing I can do, is play whack-a-mole with the brightness bug. -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 12637] Re: LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot
I use Kubuntu 8.04 on a Lenovo 3000 C200 laptop. I did a fresh install of Hardy. I get this dimming on every boot, at exactly the same point - somewhere around when the hardware drives are being loaded. When the desktop is fully loaded the brightness comes back automatically. But the login screen is quite dark. The same thing happens at shutdown, and the reduced brightness then remains at the beginning of the next boot. I can however get the brightness up with the brightness keys, but only if I do it quickly at the very start. But the dimming then occurs again when the harware drivers are being loaded. The brightness buttons on my laptop work at the start of the boot process, but then stop working as soon as the brightness drops. When the brightness automatically comes back (when the desktop is loaded), they start working again. The same dimming also occurs every time I start VLC. It also happens when I switch off Enable power saving in KDE Control Center. (Reenebling the power saving however does not resurrect the brightness.) I can always get the brightness back to normal if click on the Power Manager applet, and then change the brightness setting there. The brightness control there is set to maximum, although the actual brightness is very low. Changing the setting to something else (doesn't matter what) gets things back to normal (I usually take it down a notch, and then back up to maximum). I can also - sometimes - get things back to normal if I touch anything in Monitor Display - Size, orientation Positioning (in the Control Center), but that part of the Control Center behaves strangely and unpredictably. Those solutions are of course just temporary. All I need to do to dim the screen, is to start VLC, or reboot. Nothing like this happend in Gutsy, neither in Ubuntu nor in Kubuntu. I haven't seen it on any other version either. It started with one of the beta or RC versions of the Live CD, and it remains in the final release. It's very annoying. -- LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/12637 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 214736] Re: screen dims on boot
acpi_osi=Linux has no effect for me either. I use Kubuntu 8.04 on a Lenovo 3000 C200 laptop. I did a fresh install of Hardy. I get this dimming on every boot, at exactly the same point - somewhere around when the hardware drives are being loaded. When the desktop is fully loaded the brightness comes back automatically. But the login screen is quite dark. The same thing happens at shutdown, and the reduced brightness then remains at the beginning of the next boot. I can however get the brightness up with the brightness keys, but only if I do it quickly at the very start. But the dimming then occurs again when the harware drivers are being loaded. The brightness buttons on my laptop work at the start of the boot process, but then stop working as soon as the brightness drops. When the brightness automatically comes back (when the desktop is loaded), they start working again. The same dimming also occurs every time I start VLC. It also happens when I switch off Enable power saving in KDE Control Center. (Reenebling the power saving however does not resurrect the brightness.) I can always get the brightness back to normal if click on the Power Manager applet, and then change the brightness setting there. The brightness control there is set to maximum, although the actual brightness is very low. Changing the setting to something else (doesn't matter what) gets things back to normal (I usually take it down a notch, and then back up to maximum). I can also - sometimes - get things back to normal if I touch anything in Monitor Display - Size, orientation Positioning (in the Control Center), but that part of the Control Center behaves strangely and unpredictably. Those solutions are of course just temporary. All I need to do to dim the screen, is to start VLC, or reboot. Nothing like this happend in Gutsy, neither in Ubuntu nor in Kubuntu. I haven't seen it on any other version either. It started with one of the beta or RC versions of the Live CD, and it remains in the final release. It's very annoying. -- screen dims on boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214736 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
I'm on Hardy now (Kubuntu), and can also confirm that this bug does indeed exist. I didn't see it before on Gutsy, but now I do. It seems that the locale is now eo (not eo_XX). I get a directory called /usr/lib/locale/eo. It should probably be /usr/lib/locale/eo.utf8, but just copying eo to eo.utf8 does not help. When I do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales a locale called eo.ISO-8859-3 seems to be created. Why is there such a locale at all? No one uses ISO-8859-3 anymore (or at least no one should use it anymore). I did a fresh install of Kubuntu 8.04. -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
The following seems to move things forward a bit: cd /usr/share/i18n/locales/ sudo mv eo eo_XX sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales But that's probably not enough... -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
I checked my /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local. It contains these two lines: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 eo ISO-8859-3 The last line should not be there at all (as far as I understand). Instead we should probably have: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 eo_XX.UTF-8 UTF-8 -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
I wrote: But that's probably not enough... But it was. As far as I remember, all I did was correct the eo-line in /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local, and move /usr/share/i18n/locales/eo to /usr/share/i18n/locales/eo_XX, and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales (and restart the computer). Now (having doing all the usual stuff I write about in http://bertilow.com/komputo/linukso.html; my Esperanto locale and my Esperanto keyboard definition seem to work as they should. So this bug should be easy to fix. (At the same time maybe someone could get around to correcting the misspelling Esperato to the correct form Esperanto in /usr/share/X11/locale/compose.dir and /usr/share/X11/locale/locale.dir (several times in each of those two file). -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 105900] Re: [Upstream] [hardy] Bold, Italics, and Bold Italics not in English on Fonts menu
This is probably not a bug in Openoffice.org. I see the same thing in several other programs, e.g. Gvim and Meld. Some programs somehow get the correct names, while others get negreta cursiva. It's also different for different fonts. This bug has been around for at least two full years, maybe longer. -- [Upstream] [hardy] Bold, Italics, and Bold Italics not in English on Fonts menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105900 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
Donald Rogers: Bertilo, did you install Gutsy afresh, or did you upgrade from a Feisty? I did a fresh install. (I am still wondering why your EO locale is okay while mine and Joey's are not.) I've have mostly bad experiences with upgrading to new major versions of Ubuntu or Kubuntu, so I always do fresh installs. The problems I've had were indeed very often related to locales, keyboard layouts etc. -- Bertilo Wennergren http://bertilow.com -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
Donald Rogers: Synaptic reinstalled language-pack-eo, but that made no noticeable difference. /usr/lib/locale/eo_XX.utf8 is not in the list of installed files. With the other command I got the same messages as Joey got: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [sudo] password for donald: Generating locales... en_AU.UTF-8... done etc en_ZW.UTF-8... done eo_XX.UTF-8... cannot open locale definition file `eo_XX': No such file or directory failed Generation complete. Strange. I just did: sudo apt-get purge language-pack-eo That removed all those files. Then I did: sudo apt-get install language-pack-eo I got: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libqof1 libgda2-3 libgda2-common Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: language-pack-eo-base The following NEW packages will be installed: language-pack-eo language-pack-eo-base 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/335kB of archives. After unpacking 1290kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Selecting previously deselected package language-pack-eo-base. (Reading database ... 157370 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking language-pack-eo-base (from .../language-pack-eo-base_1%3a7.10+20071012_all.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package language-pack-eo. Unpacking language-pack-eo (from .../language-pack-eo_1%3a7.10+20071012_all.deb) ... Setting up language-pack-eo (1:7.10+20071012) ... Setting up language-pack-eo-base (1:7.10+20071012) ... Generating locales... eo_XX.UTF-8... done Generation complete. And the Esperanto locale files reappeared. I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (Gusty Gibbon). -- Bertilo Wennergren http://bertilow.com -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
Donald Rogers: I tried what you did but I got: $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-eo [...] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! language-pack-eo-base language-pack-eo [...] eo_XX.UTF-8... cannot open locale definition file `eo_XX': No such file or directory failed [...] It seems that your package repositories are not OK. Try changing them. This resource might be helpful: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ -- Bertilo Wennergren http://bertilow.com -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
Joey Stanford: Further investigation reveals that /usr/lib/locale/eo_XX.utf8 is empty. It shouldn't be. It should contain something similar to: LC_ADDRESS LC_CTYPE LC_MEASUREMENT LC_MONETARY LC_NUMERIC LC_TELEPHONE LC_COLLATE LC_IDENTIFICATION LC_MESSAGES LC_NAME LC_PAPER LC_TIME In my computer it's not empty. That's probably because I installed the Esperanto locale in Ubuntu. -- Bertilo Wennergren http://bertilow.com -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 156913] Re: Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices
Donald Rogers: I have recently installed Ubuntu Gutsy (32 bit) and my /usr/lib/locale/eo_XX.utf8 directory is empty. OOo generally works with English or with Esperanto interface, but when I went to System/Admin/Language Support just now it said: The language support is not installed completely. (That is probably because I installed kBabel after I added the EO support via System/Admin/Language Support). So I let it try to fix that (add the language-pack-kde-eo stuff), and restarted the system, but that directory is still empty. The package that needs to be (fully) installed is: language-pack-eo Maybe you need to reinstall it. Also try this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales -- Bertilo Wennergren http://bertilow.com -- Installing the Esperanto language pack does not offer Esperanto in choices https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/156913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 66223] Re: Wrong usage of infitive case instead of imperative case in verbs - almost everywhere!
Susana Pereira: Thanks for taking the time to report this bug. Is this still present? In what version of Ubuntu does this happen to you? The use of Esperanto infinitives in use interfaces is not a mistake. It is often debated, even hotly, if it's better to use infinitives or imperatives for View, Save, Open etc. in program interfaces, and there are good arguments for both styles. I myself beleive strongly that infinitives are better. Often it is quite unclear if the English View, Save, Open etc. are infinitives or imperatives. They can be understood in both ways. A menu item saying Open, can be seen as meaning Click here if you want to open (a file). But it can also be seen as something that the user says to the program when he clicks on that item: Program, open (a file)!. For me the former interpratation is the most natural and logical. That is why I prefer to translate such cases with infintives in Esperanto. Imperatives are better used only when it's clearly a case of the program (or rather the programmer) telling the user to do something. That is not so with a typical menu item like Save. Neither the program nor the programmer is telling the user to save anything. It (or he/she) is merely presenting an option, a possibility, that the user can use or ignore as he or she wishes. -- Bertilo Wennergren http://bertilow.com -- Wrong usage of infitive case instead of imperative case in verbs - almost everywhere! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/66223 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 66223] Re: Wrong usage of infitive case instead of imperative case in verbs - almost everywhere!
The use of Esperanto infinitives in use interfaces is not a mistake. It is often debated, even hotly, if it's better to use infinitives or imperatives en Esperanto for View, Save, Open etc. in program interfaces, and there are good arguments for both styles. I myself however believe strongly that infinitives are better i most cases. Often it is quite unclear if the English View, Save, Open etc. are infinitives or imperatives. They can be understood in both ways. A menu item saying Open, can be seen as meaning Click here if you want to OPEN (a file) - thus Open is an infinitive. But it can also be seen as something that the user says to the program when he clicks on that item: Program, OPEN (a file)! - thus Open is an imperative. For me the former interpretation is the most natural and logical one. That is why I prefer to translate such cases with infintives in Esperanto. Imperatives are better used only when it's clearly a case of the program (or rather the programmer) telling the user to do or not to do something. That is not so with a typical menu item like Save. Neither the program nor the programmer is telling the user to save anything. It (or he/she) is merely presenting an option, a possibility, that the user can use or ignore as he or she wishes. That is best expressed with an infinitive (the most neutral form). I just checked the German translation of OpenOffice.org. It uses infinitives in such cases. I am a member of the team that is translating OpenOffice.org into Esperanto. We use infinitives. As for my Esperanto credentials: I am the author of the leading Esperanto reference grammar: Plena Manlibro de Esperanta Gramatiko, also available for free on the Internet: http://bertilow.com/pmeg/;. I am a member of the Esperanto Academy: http://akademio-de-esperanto.org/;. -- Wrong usage of infitive case instead of imperative case in verbs - almost everywhere! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/66223 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 66223] Re: Wrong usage of infitive case instead of imperative case in verbs - almost everywhere!
Sorry about the double posting. Ignore the first one. -- Wrong usage of infitive case instead of imperative case in verbs - almost everywhere! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/66223 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
