[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-05-15 Thread Jim Lieb
This bug is closed because it originally applied to a 2.6.24-12 kernel.
If you are experiencing an issue with the current Hardy kernel, please
file a new bug with the details as outlined in the wiki page(s).  In
this way we can sort out and address issues that are still active and
relevant from what was already fixed and no longer applicable.  Thank
you for your cooperation.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-05-14 Thread Jim Lieb
This path has been marked as invalid because the original bug applies to
2.6.24 and Hardy.  If Intrepid with its 2.6.27 kernel locks up for you,
please file a new bug against that release and that kernel.  This close
message is the 343rd comment action and your Intrepid issue will get
lost in this avalanche of bug comments.  This also applies to Jaunty and
Karmic issues.  We ask for separate bugs based on release, system/cpu
type, and usage because a hang or lockup is a very generic
description of what most often ends up being a very specific case for a
very particular configuration.  A separate bug gets noticed and the
comment path to its resolution is comprehensible.  Please understand
that this is has been marked as invalid for Intrepid because the
original fault was logged against Hardy and 2.6.24.  Your bug issue is
still valid, but not here.  Thank you.

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   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-04-30 Thread Adam Buchbinder
My attempts to compile at least a dozen kernels so far, leaving each
running for either a week or until it froze, have led to varying degrees
of confusion; kernels that I thought were good would freeze up or work
for a week straight depending on, it seemed, the phase of the moon.
Bisecting the kernel has taken a great deal of time, but has not, in the
end, been particularly helpful. I've been reluctant to upgrade to Jaunty
yet, since upgrading in the first place is what started all of this, and
it could always get worse, but since the problem *seems* to be kernel-
based, I can always just boot into the Intrepid kernel afterwards.

Future directions that I'll be working on:

I don't recall whether or not I actually removed the 'airo' module when
I was using the wired ethernet for my connectivity. Seeing if that helps
may be helpful in tracking down the actual bug.

I hadn't heard of netconsole (
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Netconsole ); since the bug locks the
system hard enough that no logging information is available on the next
boot, this may be a helpful avenue; if I can get a stack trace, I can
even bring it upstream. (I would have done so already, but despite the
time I've sunk into this disaster, I essentially know little more than I
did when I started.) On the other hand, the wireless on my laptop is
semi-broken enough (connection quality constantly wavers, and
occasionally drops entirely, even though other wireless devices work
fine) that this may not help. If that's the case, I'll connect it by
wire and try to trigger the crash that way.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-04-19 Thread hadisen
I experienced my first two random(!) kernel panics (blinking caps and
scroll lock) today after having used my computer for 2 or 3 weeks
without any problems. It is a Sony Vaio Subnotebook VGN-TX3XP running
Ubuntu 8.04.2 Kernel 2.6.24-23-generic. I suspect it to be a network
related bug, scince it did not occur a third time when I had deactivated
my wireless network  (driver iwl3945 - also see thread 944123 The
Broadcom STA wl driver is buggy). I would like to mention that my
neigbour has exactly the same router as me, which caused some problems
with the roaming-mode under the Gnome network-manager during the last
days, so the bug might have something to do with WLAN overlapping, too.
I replaced it with Wicd, activated the WLAN again and have had no
further kernel-panics so far. I'll post if they come back.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-02-24 Thread Dieter Burghardt
At first my machine (Intel Core2 Quad  CPU) was perfectly stable since november 
'08. The machine was up 24/7 and also running 4 instances fold...@home.
But when I started to use fold...@home with the -smp switch I got random 
lockups.
The machine is not overclocked and in both cases the machine is under high CPU 
load, so overheating or other hardware related issues shouldn't be the cause of 
the lockups. I guess the lockups are related to MPI (which is turned on in 
fold...@home with -smp switch.)

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-02-24 Thread Dieter Burghardt
Oops, forgot to mention ... it's intrepid, and the kernel is up to date

2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:28:32 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-15 Thread Adam Buchbinder
seh62, that sounds separate from this; if it's something you think you
can get a developer to reproduce, file a bug; if it's not, file a
question.

As for me, I've had to do some backtracking after a version which I'd
previously considered good turned out to be bad; the number of revisions
left to test is still rather large. I'm still working on it, though
building kernels is rather slow. The best way to reproduce it seems to
be downloading something with Vuze. Not just uploading, but downloading,
seems to cause a lockup almost certainly within a few hours. It's kind
of hard to quantify, though. More information will follow as I narrow it
down. Each known-bad commit *does* help me pare back the search space,
at least somewhat. I'm getting closer. I must be.

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

Marcus, thanks for the update. Adam, thanks for trying to chase this
down, I hope we can at least identify the revision which caused the
issues you are seeing.

In general, I think this bug has become a melting pot of a number of
different lockup issues, but eliminating them one by one is worthwhile
nonetheless.

Mark

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-07 Thread seh62
I've been running 8.04 in Virtual Box in a Windows XP host on a Toshiba Laptop 
with an Intel Celeron M and Atheros wifi for 8 or 9 months now and it worked 
great, (except Vbox has no support for 3D acceleration).
My hard drive broke and I installed a new one and decided to to dual boot which 
worked fine. I use a dial up at home, this caused me some confusion and 

I finally got it working with sl-modem-daemon (after trying SLMODEMD),
but shortly therafter I experienced my first crash, just a loud noise
from the hard drive then all power off. I went to a wifi spot to
download all the updates before trouble shooting, this was a major
hassle, finally I got a connection but was forced to leave before
finishing the updates. I returned began updating again had to stop for
awhile and when I tryed to reconnect I experienced the sudden crash
again when I rebooted the wireless and ethernet drivers where gone (no
wireless in the network manager and no drivers listed in hardware
drivers) then another crash.

Now ubuntu will only run for about a minute before a hard crash (not
much time to do anything), I decided to reinstall ubuntu in the same
partition but when I boot up with the CD by the time I make it to the
install dialoque there's a hard crash.

EVERY TIME before a crash when plugged in to AC power, the charge light
turns to amber (indicating battery charging), the screen freezes, hard
drive makes a loud noise, everything shuts completely off, and then the
charge light turns back to green (indicating full charge on AC power).

This is depressing, never had a problem in Vbox maybe those guys at Sun
have something going. Am I going to have to wait for the 8.10 disc to
arrive? I really like Ubuntu, Windows sucks, help!

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-06 Thread Adam Buchbinder
Status update: I've gotten started on finding the regression via git-
bisect. I was able to reproduce the bug on 2.6.27 vanilla, and unable to
do so on 2.6.22 vanilla. I'm currently down to just under seven thousand
candidate commits left. The whole thing is rather complicated by the
fact that configuration options change between kernel versions, which
has made me a bit leery of the possibility of actually isolating the
code change that introduces the bug.

Also, older kernel versions seem to cause X to die every so often, and
even apart from that, testing is slow, because finding out if a kernel
is bad or not is like the Halting Problem--I can only get a yes
answer, never a definitive no.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-06 Thread bwana

I'm not experiencing the random crashes anymore (on any Ubuntu versions).

On further examination, I managed to track it down to a faulty GPU fan
causing the system to overheat (duh!).

I was also seeing this problem on a laptop. Turns out that the laptop
would remain on 24 hours a day. I removed the battery (as it was
permanently plugged in anyway) which lowered the temperature, which
caused the crashes to stop.

In other words, the data I provided earlier in order to assist in the
troubleshooting will only show how a system looks while overheating - so
please disregard it when trying to get to the bottom of the real bug.

Hope I didn't encourage anyone to waste time barking up the wrong tree..

Cheers,
/m

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-02 Thread Adam Buchbinder
I had this problem with Hardy; I upgraded to Intrepid recently, but it's
still present--mouse won't move, machine won't respond to pings, nothing
in the logs. It seems to be associated with network activity--loading a
lot of tabs in Firefox or Epiphany--but I can't reliably reproduce it.
It seems not to happen when I don't have anything at all running on the
machine. It's a Thinkpad T40p; the four logs attached in, e.g., comment
324, will be attached momentarily.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: Fix Released = Confirmed

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Released = Confirmed

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-02 Thread Adam Buchbinder
Attached find the tarballed results of:

$ uname -a  uname-a.log 
$ cat /proc/version_signature  version.log 
$ dmesg  dmesg.log 
$ sudo lspci -vvnn  lspci-vvnn.log


** Attachment added: Requested logfiles.
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20865069/crash-abuchbinder.tbz2

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2009-01-02 Thread Adam Buchbinder
As I don't have a good way of triggering the bug, I'd like to request
that anyone who can do so attempt to find the regression via git-bisect.
It's somewhat time-consuming, but it will definitely let us nail down
the bug and submit it upstream (as it's appeared in vanilla kernels as
well as Ubuntu-specific ones). It would finally make it possible for us
to isolate and fix this thing after all these months.

There are good instructions for bisecting the kernel over in bug 273266;
I'm willing to help out however I can. If anyone has any specific
suggestions for making the bug easily reproducible on my own laptop,
I'll try to help out with it as well, though I don't remember the
specific revision at which this last didn't happen.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-11-25 Thread brainiac8008
Hello all,

I wrote a while back in the comments about how my computer would lock up
with Hardy installed. I had found that my wireless USB adapter, based on
the zd1211 platform, would cause the system to freeze as soon as Ubuntu
tried to establish a connection to the Internet. I have a feeling that I
also had the more common problem of the computer locking up at seemingly
random times.

Well, I installed Intrepid last week and it has been very stable. I have
not gotten a single lockup! I'm glad that I am finally able to use
Ubuntu again.

Thanks,
Noah

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-11-21 Thread sergio.callegari
I have upgraded to intrepid the PC on which I was experiencing the hard 
lockups.   And the lockups have disappeared.
I have also upgraded to hardy a laptop on which I was running gutsy.  And the 
lockups have appeared although by no means as frequently as I was experiencing 
them on the older desktop.  I am experiencing about a couple of hard lockups a 
week, with the laptop on for most of the day.

So the problem seems to be really due to 2.6.24.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-11-20 Thread Sam!r Jadhav
Sometimes my desktop just freezes. and there are some vertical blue
dotted streaks across the screen. The mouse works but nothing on the
desktop can be clicked.

Assuming some compatibility error due to any recently installed
software, I did a clean install of the OS. But the proble still
persists.

Though it occurs randomly, it usually occurs while I am using firefox
browser 3.0.3.

This is the first time since I am using ubuntu (since version 6.06) that
I am encountering an issue like this.

I am unable to give a screenshot becoz even the print scrren
functionality doesnot work during the freeze.

Can anybody suggest a solution?

My Spec
Quadcore intel cpu [EMAIL PROTECTED], 4 Gb ram, S975XBX2 motherboard, PCI 
Express GeForce 8600 GT (generic drivers)
Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex 64bit
Kernel Linux 2.6.27-7-generic
Gnome 2.24.1
Partition Info:
\---Root10GB
\Home---Home--10GB
\Media\Sda3---Data folder--400Gb

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-11-20 Thread Chainz
Your case might be connected with flash issues.
Please try to use flash block and see if it happens again.


2008/11/20 Sam!r Jadhav [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Sometimes my desktop just freezes. and there are some vertical blue
 dotted streaks across the screen. The mouse works but nothing on the
 desktop can be clicked.

 Assuming some compatibility error due to any recently installed
 software, I did a clean install of the OS. But the proble still
 persists.

 Though it occurs randomly, it usually occurs while I am using firefox
 browser 3.0.3.

 This is the first time since I am using ubuntu (since version 6.06) that
 I am encountering an issue like this.

 I am unable to give a screenshot becoz even the print scrren
 functionality doesnot work during the freeze.

 Can anybody suggest a solution?

 My Spec
 Quadcore intel cpu [EMAIL PROTECTED], 4 Gb ram, S975XBX2 motherboard, PCI
 Express GeForce 8600 GT (generic drivers)
 Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex 64bit
 Kernel Linux 2.6.27-7-generic
 Gnome 2.24.1
 Partition Info:
 \---Root10GB
 \Home---Home--10GB
 \Media\Sda3---Data folder--400Gb

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 Status in linux source package in Ubuntu: Fix Released
 Status in linux in Ubuntu Intrepid: Fix Released

 Bug description:
 Binary package hint: linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic

 I was upgrading from gutsy (with Linux 2.6.22-14) to the latest alpha last
 sunday (16.03.2008), and I've got some problems with the kernel.

 The 2.6.24-12-generic (I think, may be -386) causes my machine to lock up
 (hard) after about 5 minutes. Generally I was under X, there is no specific
 program I was using at the time it locked up.

 The hardware is completely stable  has been for the last 3 years with
 ubuntu, and still is with hardy  the gutsy kernel.

 Another thing I noticed is that something in the initrd keeps the machine
 from booting for at least 2-3 minutes. It's definetely before running
 scripts in the /etc/rcS.d folder, I have not traced it in the initrd. After
 booting all is well until it locks up.

 The hardware is a Dell C400, Intel chipset, Intel graphics (i830), 384MB of
 RAM and an atheros wireless card.

 lsb_release:
 Description:Ubuntu hardy (development branch)
 Release:8.04

 It's completely reproductible, the freeze takes out the whole kernel (no
 reply to ping from network). Any suggestions on how to trace it? I have a
 serial port, no parallel.


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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-10-18 Thread Chainz
I have just replaced my Graphics card in my PC, from ATI Rage 128 to ATI HD 
3450...
And guess what? NO MORE LOCKUPS!!!

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-10-17 Thread bwana
I've experienced frequent lockups with 8.04 32/64 (and -rt), 8.10 64
(all the way to Linux dlm1 2.6.27-1-generic #1 SMP).

I just had to reset my computer and I captured logs for a full cycle
(from boot to crash - I got to the logon screen, then kablam).

I've attached a zip with the output of:
* cat /proc/version_signature  version.log
* dmesg  dmesg.log
* sudo lspci -vvnn  lspci-vvnn.log

I've also attached a bunch of logs from the full cycle mentioned
earlier.

I've been hoping for this progress since migrating off 6.06 - but I've given up.
I'm off to distrowatch.com et al. to find me a replacement for Ubuntu. 
I've wasted too much time believing/hoping that someone would be able to find a 
fix.

** Attachment added: crash.tar
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18646950/crash.tar

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-10-02 Thread Stefan_Ares
Hello everyone who seems to be in the same sinking boat, I guess I'm
here to join you.

I've been trying linux for about a month now, and with the same similar
problem as many of you. My system will lock-up and I can't use the mouse
or any keyboard buttons. I have ran openSuse and ubuntu hardy 32 bit,
also just started running ubuntu hardy 64 bit.

I noticed with a GPU temp sensor that whenever my temp of my GPU gets up
to 61C and hovers there without dropping, the computer will reliably
lock up, and the best thing to do is to let it cool down. It seems to
get really hot for no reason, since I'm running cooler in Vista right
now (and in my opinion Vista should be running much hotter because of
how taxing it is on hardware).

I would also like to post for the dev team that I have tried out Alpha5
and Alpha 6, both causing the same lock-up problem. It seems to take
longer to heat up in these versions because the system seems to use less
power in Intrepid, and I would love to switch but I'm trying to find an
OS that won't freeze after getting too hot. Even though I realize that
it may just be doing this to protect my hardware.

I have no logs of my problems, but I feel confident that my case is a
GPU temp problem, after having tried many things. I doubt it is IO in my
case because its usually when I'm browsing in firefox (which causes my
computer to run hotter)

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-21 Thread Elod VALKAI
After one week with Intrepid (and having resolved the xorg intel driver
quirks) I can say I'm pretty happy with it. 2.6.27 is stable. I hope it
stays that way :).

I won't test 2.6.24 further, as it's simply impossible. I'm beginning to
think that an LTS release should have the kernel of the previous
release. At least it's been tested _widely_ for 6 months.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-15 Thread Elod VALKAI
I've upgraded to Intrepid, and it's got other nasty problems (the intel
driver in xorg does not like intel's 830 chipset).

The kernel (2.6.27) seems stable, but it's very strange to see a kernel
that has not been released (rc6 at the moment) in a linux distribution
to be released in a month.

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-13 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

Does anyone see a clear kernel panic during these hangs? For example, if
it can be reproduced within a minutes, it would be interesting to boot
into administrative mode and run a big FTP download or other network
stress test, to see if a kernel panic is displayed. If anyone sees it
then grab a camera and attach it here.

Mark

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-13 Thread Dev
Got the same issue here on hardy, 2.6.24-21-generic, nVidia Corporation
GeForce 7100 GS (rev a1) running driver 173.14.12, RaLink RT2561/RT61
rev B 802.11g

locks up hard, no mouse, no ping... nothing at all.

If I can be of any use please let me know.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-12 Thread nst
Hi,
I'm experiencing  a hard freeze both with a fresh Hardy install and with an 
updated Intrepid (kernel 2.6.27-3). My laptop is a Targa Traveller 826 with AMD 
Turion64 1.8GHz and ATI Radeon Mobility X700.
In my case the freezes seem to be correlated with heavy network traffic, but 
not with a specific application (Firefox,synaptic,apt-get). Most times it only 
takes less than one minute after the start of the data transmission until it 
freezes. It happens both with wired and with wireless network connections.
When booting with acpi=off I experienced no freezes so far.
Let me know if you need you need additional information.
Nils

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-09 Thread John Ward
I have downloaded and installed Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex Alpha 5 and
apart from being a little incomplete here and there (it is an Alpha
build after all) I can say confidently that for the last 5 days Ubuntu
has been running smoothly without any kernel panics. I have left the
machine on its own and no kernel panics,  I have stressed it with
Azureus Vuze and multiple torrents, Firefox with flash content and
multiple open tabs, The Gimp and flame rendering, Rhythmbox, Brasero
disc burning, Sound Juicer .ogg ripping and System Monitor, all on at
the same time and there has not been a hiccup, a single crash or a
kernel panic. Well done in nailing this bug, or accidentally realising
its not in the .27 kernel - whatever you did the problems are gone.

I urge others still experiencing this problem to try Ubuntu 8.10
Intrepid and see if the panics disappear. Apart from an issue with
installing proprietary nVidia drivers everything has been running very
well with 8.10 and I actually like the new Brown Human theme.

Anyway, I'm glad to say these things.

John.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-09-09 Thread Leann Ogasawara
Hi John,

Thanks for testing and the feedback regarding Intrepid Ibex Alpha5.
Would anyone else be willing to test Alpha5 as well.  It does, as John
pointed out, contain a newer 2.6.27 kernel.  For more information
regarding Alpha5 please refer to
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5 .  Please let us know your
results.  Thanks.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-30 Thread Martin
Well, to add some more confusion to this bug...

The last kernel panic I experienced was on the first boot up after
upgrading the kernel to 2.6.24-19. After that, no kernel panics
whatsoever. Also processor hiccups dissapeared somewhere in the
beginning of August. I've tested the 2.6.24-17 and *-18 kernels each one
for a day, daily common use, no problems with any of the current kernels
(although Firefox was crashing every second time I was playing Flash
videos in *-17 kernel). I have Dell Latitude D400 laptop, no non-free
drivers.

One more thing, kernel panics gradually disappeared over time, at least
that's how it seemed to me in my case.

So, could it be that this bug is not directly the kernels fault, but
some common and crucial package that can be found on all Ubuntu
variants?

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-28 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Ben Collins wrote:
 Upstream doesn't care about testing 2.6.24 any more.
But it is useful for us to assess if an issue was introduced in patches
we added to that stable release, or if it was there already.
 They want us to help test tip.
Sure, which is why we should make tip available for both stable and
development releases (currently Hardy and Intrepid).
 Besides, there's no good base to say corresponds to hardy's kernel
 because we stopped syncing at like 2.6.24.2, but we have lots of
 cherry picks for CVE's and SRU's from 2.6.24.y beyond .2. So hardy is
 currently  2.6.24.2 but  2.6.24.y head.
Then choose either .2 or .y, I would go with .2 personally, and I would
also try not to stop syncing, though I understand there are ABI issues.

 So it wouldn't even be beneficial to us to provide a stock kernel
 for hardy users. It wouldn't tell us the difference between .y fixing
 it, or stock working because we have a bad patch.
But .2 would tell us that.

 Ubuntu-next we've already started with. I'm quite reluctant to provide
 it in a PPA. Upstream constantly complains about the quality of bug
 reports from our users, and I fear that this would increase it because
 of non-technical users trying these kernels and not being able to
 properly help debug them.
I think we should DROP ubuntu-next. It's more work than any other
option, it's bugs are of no interest to upstream OR US.

 IMO, if we really want this PPA stuff, we need more man-power on the
 QA and engineering end of it. Just making it available isn't useful at
 all and would probably cause the reverse with upstream than what you
 want.
Please nonetheless put these into your plan, with or without ubuntu-next.

 On a similar note, I've considering putting out the idea of adding the
 LP bugzilla plug-in to upstream kernel to make it easier for us to
 forward good bug reports upstream.

That would rock indeed :-)

Mark

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-28 Thread wackyiniraqi
Check out bug 248591just was informed that 

The Ubuntu Kernel Team is planning to move to the 2.6.27 kernel for the
upcoming Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release.  As a result, the kernel team would
appreciate it if you could please test this newer 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel.



Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
 Ben Collins wrote:
   
 Upstream doesn't care about testing 2.6.24 any more.
 
 But it is useful for us to assess if an issue was introduced in patches
 we added to that stable release, or if it was there already.
   
 They want us to help test tip.
 
 Sure, which is why we should make tip available for both stable and
 development releases (currently Hardy and Intrepid).
   
 Besides, there's no good base to say corresponds to hardy's kernel
 because we stopped syncing at like 2.6.24.2, but we have lots of
 cherry picks for CVE's and SRU's from 2.6.24.y beyond .2. So hardy is
 currently  2.6.24.2 but  2.6.24.y head.
 
 Then choose either .2 or .y, I would go with .2 personally, and I would
 also try not to stop syncing, though I understand there are ABI issues.

   
 So it wouldn't even be beneficial to us to provide a stock kernel
 for hardy users. It wouldn't tell us the difference between .y fixing
 it, or stock working because we have a bad patch.
 
 But .2 would tell us that.

   
 Ubuntu-next we've already started with. I'm quite reluctant to provide
 it in a PPA. Upstream constantly complains about the quality of bug
 reports from our users, and I fear that this would increase it because
 of non-technical users trying these kernels and not being able to
 properly help debug them.
 
 I think we should DROP ubuntu-next. It's more work than any other
 option, it's bugs are of no interest to upstream OR US.

   
 IMO, if we really want this PPA stuff, we need more man-power on the
 QA and engineering end of it. Just making it available isn't useful at
 all and would probably cause the reverse with upstream than what you
 want.
 
 Please nonetheless put these into your plan, with or without ubuntu-next.

   
 On a similar note, I've considering putting out the idea of adding the
 LP bugzilla plug-in to upstream kernel to make it easier for us to
 forward good bug reports upstream.
 

 That would rock indeed :-)

 Mark



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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-27 Thread sergio.callegari
This has been asked many times (including myself).  Unfortunately, the
answer so far has not been positive:

1) Switching hardy to the 2.6.25 kernel has been excluded as a jump in the 
dark.
2) Providing two alternative kernel versions for hardy (namely both 2.6.24 and 
2.6.25) has been indicated as not sustainable with the resources of the ubuntu 
kernel team.

The closest we got is:

a) an interview (to Mark Shuttleworth, if I remember correctly) where it
is said that due to the very long support time of hardy (5 years on
server) hardy might eventually switch to a more modern kernel when it
becomes impossible to support 2.6.24 (cannot find the link, sorry).

b) an email on this very list, again by Mark Shuttleworth suggesting
that it would be very valuable to give Hardy users the ability to test
the Intrepid kernel.  Unfortunately, in applying this proposal there is
there is an apparent need to compromise since kernel developers do not
want to decrease the motivation to test the intrepid codebase as a
whole. The situation so far is that the intrepid kernel (2.6.26) can be
installed on hardy, but not its kernel headers (and not either the
restricted modules from what I heard).

Personally, what I have done so far on all the machines I am responsible
for is using ubuntu without the hardy kernel, having compiled a 2.6.25
and then a 2.6.26 from kernel.org with make-kpkg that gives you nice deb
packages.  It is a bit of a pain to upgrade whenever a new patchset
comes out for 2.6.26... but... still better than the lockups.  In any
case, 8.10 is not that far away now, so lets just hope this times it
takes the same kernel version as fedora or opensuse.

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-27 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

I'm expecting that we will shortly have a PPA for hardy which includes:

 - the proposed Intrepid kernel
 - a daily build of kernel.org's tip
 - the virgin kernel.org kernel that corresponds to hardy's kernel

Between those, we should have ample opportunity to help provide testing
for upstream as well as triage issues specific to Ubuntu.

Mark

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-27 Thread Jeremy Bar
Mark, that would be great, because the Lenovo Thinkpad T60 and X60s I
own are both affected by this issue. The only solution I am aware of now
is a manual patch of the e1000 driver.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-26 Thread Tom M.
I switched from Hardy Heron to Debian Lenny and it's running 2.6.25 and
has been up weeks in X windows (with my PCI wireless card and Nvidia
video and AMD Athlon64 dual core) chugging along nicely. No lockups.
2.6.25 definitely fixes it. Good luck all.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-26 Thread sergio.callegari
In response to John:

For what concerns the fix released indication... unfortunately it does
not indicate that there is a fix released for hardy, as far as I know
the part of the 2.6.24 kernel causing the issue is still to be
identified.  There has been some discussion on whether it was
appropriate to place the fix released tag on this bug (see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/204996/comments/273).

In response to Tom M.

Unfortunately, this is one more indication that going with 2.6.24 for
hardy has been a very unfortunate choice: it is not the kernel of
fedora, it is not the kernel of opensuse, it is not the kernel of
debian, and it has a userbase that is probably limited to hardy only.
Furthermore it is not anymore upstream maintained. Patchsets for 2.6.26
and 2.6.25 come out regularly (2.6.25 is at .16 delivered on August
20th), while 2.6.24 stopped at .7 shipped on May 7th.

There has been in the past a strong request to make a version of the
intrepid kernel installable on hardy.  As a matter of fact it is, but to
the best of my knowledge the headers (necessary for compilation against
the kernel) are not.

Sergio

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-26 Thread John Ward
Thanks for the response Sergio,

Is there anyway that kernel 2.6.25 can be put into the repositories for
usage and testing and then possible release as an update during Hardy's
last period? This problem is serious and having the basis for a flexible
update system and a large group of people looking for this problem and
reporting back the best information they can theres no reason that
something can't be released for this crippling thing.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-21 Thread John Ward
I noticed Fix Released at the top of this page. What exactly is the
fix, and by the looks of things its released for Intrepid and not Hardy.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-14 Thread ThaFox
This solved my freezes too. I have Acer 5024 laptop and haven't had any
freezes after updating. I had only mouse moving, while I got these
freezes, although I was able to reboot with alt-sysrq-REISUB.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-14 Thread Mariner09
I've been seeing lock-ups with similar symptoms, only the mouse moves
and nothing else but the one-finger salute will cure the problem.  I'm
using the 2.6.24-19-generic kernel and I only use wireless with the
iwl4965.

These lock-ups appear to happen when I'm  not doing anything.  I walked
away from the the laptop at 5pm yesterday and at 10:13pm, it froze.
Nothing in kern.log, /var/log/messages continues to add entries until my
cold-boot this morning but they are only --MARK--.  At 9:31pm there
was a message:

kernel: [  520.906785] tun0: Disabled Privacy Extensions

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-14 Thread Huygens
Just wanted to had my 2 pennies on the subject.
Back in the time of Edgy, I decided to buy a WiFi card. My choice went for the 
RaLink RT61 chipset (it's an MSI card). I had to install manually the driver 
for it, so it could work on Edgy. Then came Feisty and (if I recall properly) 
right after upgrading I could still use my desktop in WiFi. Then came a kernel 
upgrade and suddenly I had frequent complete crash, just like it is report 
here. Impossible to see the ultimate log that lead to the crash. I reverted to 
the previous kernel, but strangely the crashes continued whereas before it 
never occurred. After fiddling around, I decided to blacklist the RT61 kernel 
module and to fetch back my old network wire :-(
That was the status until I quit using computer for a year. By that time, 
Ubuntu continued evolving and Hardy, then Gusty where out. I upgraded! And I 
thought that perhaps during that time the crash might have been solved. I 
removed from the blacklist the RT61 kernel module and my old network wire! Free 
again ;-) I just had to wait a couple of hours before a crash occurred! And I 
kept on trying but after 3 days, I gave up, blacklisted once more the module 
and put back my net wire. Since then (more than a week now), I had no crash 
whatsoever!
There really seems to be something wrong in this module that causes complete 
blackout of the computer (nothing respond at all).

PS: I could not find back the bug report on Feisty.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-13 Thread kpagan
Ok, after the instructions of how to fix e1000 module and the instructions of 
Jeremy Bar I can connect to the internet with the wired connection without any 
lockups so far.
I haven't installed the -rt kernel neither have I done something else.
I think my problem is solved.
If something goes wrong I'll report back here else it will mean that my problem 
is solved permanently.
Thank you guys for the tip. I was just ready to install Gutsy again.
Thank you!!!

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-12 Thread kpagan
@Wolfgang Glas:
what do you mean by Were's your bandwith bottleneck with wireless/wired 
connection ?
My wired connection is 100Mbps and my wireless is 802.11g so theoretically is 
54Mbps.

@Jeremy Bar:
I tried the solution found here 
http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sls-archives/suse-linux/hardware-support/384758-network-fix-various-notebooks-intel-82573l.html
 
with the additional note for the make: 
make CFLAGS_EXTRA=-DDISABLE_PCI_MSI CFLAGS_EXTRA=-DE1000_NO_NAPI install
I have to test it more thoroughly though. It seemed to improve my situation. I 
downloaded a 700MB file but it didn't downloaded completely because firefox 
crashed. I hope to test it this afternoon.
I haven't run sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` though.
When I test it I will report back here.
Thanks anyway :)

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-12 Thread Wolfgang Glas
ON the way to the internet servers you connect to, there's supposedly
some kind of modem connection (DSL, UMTS etc...), which limits your
bandwidth. Such a bottleneck causes IP packet drops, evokes TCP/IP
retransmits and/or TCP packets arriving in the wrong order thus
stressing the TCP/IP stack. If you beat at such a bottle neck with
multiple TCP/IP connection, even more packet drops are evoked.

All our observations lead to the vast assumption, that  all the
deadlocks reported in conjunction with bittorrent clients etc. may be
related to the TCP/IP stack being under stress. There's a patch which ha
been applied during the 2.6.25 release cycle by SuSE, which fixes a
deadlock within the TCP/IP implementation, so I'd really like to gegt
feedback, whether our assumption may be true.

  Wolfgang

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-12 Thread nexx
Wolfgang,

Same issues here. I'm sure my problem is related to the intel ethernet
device (module e1000) under stress. My system is a ibm/lenovo x60s.

My sympton is instant system freeze when ethernet card is under stress. The 
message from the NMI is:
NMI received for unknown reason a0 on CPU 0

By doing a tcpdump i checked there's a problem in the LAN, as I saw
34000 packets of this type in just 12 sec of tcpdump:

21:51:01.531747 arp who-has 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.1

The system works stable for weeks. When I connect the sytem to the
network in this state between 10secs and 10min the system freezes..

Regards,
Valentino

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread kpagan
Excuse the double post but there is a typo above.
The correct phrase is:
If I download a file from the internet or update-manager downloads a package 
the system locks up and even Alt+SysReq+R+E+I+S+U+B can't help.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread kpagan
Well I have a Toshiba Tecra A8-103 laptop with Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit 
Ethernet Controller network card.
My wireless adapter is Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network 
Connection.
See attached file for hardware info.
I can reproduce the lockup when there is network traffic through my wired 
interface.
If I download a file from the internet or update-manager downloads a package 
the system locks up and even Alt+SysReq+R+E+I+S+U+B can help.
If I disable the wired cable and connect to the internet through my wireless 
card everything seems to be OK.
I have downloaded at least 1GB without lockups.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Ubuntu Feisty and Gutsy had restricted drivers for 
this card.
Now Hardy has its own drivers (non restricted). Can anyone confirm if this is 
the case?
I will try to install the restricted drivers and see if it solves the problem.
I hope I'm not wrong

** Attachment added: Toshiba Tecra A8-103 lspci -vvnn
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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread Jeremy Bar
have you tried this fix?

http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sls-archives/suse-linux/hardware-
support/384758-network-fix-various-notebooks-intel-82573l.html

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread Wolfgang Glas
My Laptop locks up with an UMTS dialup connection, another fellow of me
ha his laptop locking up on wired ethernet connected to a DSL modem.
Both lockups occur, when the upstream bandwith is saturated with many
TCP/IP-connections regardless from the locally used network interface.
We both do not have an Intel 82573L adapter. From the point of TCP/IP
packet drops and reordering it is sometimes favorable to have the
bottleneck on the local side, which might explain, that for some users a
wireless connection from the laptop to the DSL router might cure the
problem.

@kpagan: Were's your bandwith bottleneck with wireless/wired connection?
Which bandwith is available in both cases.

And yes, I *do* think a kernel developer should review the following
patch, which fixes a deadlock-problem with some corner-states of the TCP
stack:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=b000cd3707e7b25d76745f9c0e261c23d21fa578

  Best regards,

Wolfgang

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread kpagan
@ Jeremy Bar
Yes I tried but with no success :(
Also I tried the instructions found here 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/226906 but with no success 
either :( :(
The lockup is related definitely with some error with the  82573L driver though

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread Yotam Medini
Sorry - no.
I am thinking of trying Interpid-alpha sometime soon,
-- yotam

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 have you tried this fix?

 http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sls-archives/suse-linux/hardware-
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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-10 Thread Jeremy Bar
@ kpagan, after copying the newly build driver module e1000.ko in
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/

Did you re-build the initrd with the following?

sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`

You have to check that when you start the system, the correct module gets 
loaded at boot time.
You can check with ethtool -i device
The version should be 7.6.15.5-NAPI

Jeremy

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-08 Thread wackyiniraqi
sounds alot like the bug 248591.

Jeremy Bar wrote:
 It seems like I am experiencing similar issues as I describe in bug
 253852.

 Jeremy



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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-08 Thread sergio.callegari
Sorry, I was too optimistic.
I am still experiencing the freeze on 2.6.24.20... only I had the first after 
16 hours... one more after 8 more hours.  This thing is subtle.

Sergio

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-08 Thread Wolfgang Glas
To all out knowledge, this bug may be most likely triggered by a slow,
saturated network, which supposedly produces IP packet drops and/or
triggers IP packets not arriving in sequence and hence need to reordered
by the kernel.

Examples for such setups are UMTS data cards or 2MBit/s DSL lines with a
running bittorrent client or a heavily AJAXed webapp like gmail.

I already poinetd out a patch, which has been commited on the 2.6.25
kernel branch which seems to fix a lockup problem with IP queues in the
kernel.

Please, please, ubuntu kernel developers review this patch and start
trying to reproduce this problem in the nea future,

  Regards,

Wolfgang

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-08 Thread wackyiniraqi
sounds alot like what I've got going on with my desktop [bug
248591]though my laptop works fineso dunno about the network
issue.  Seems my desktop will have to go to windozzze since the support
for these lockups is nonexistent.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-07 Thread Elod VALKAI
I did not manage to test 2.6.24-20 as it's been pulled from the repo.

2.6.24-21 (2.6.24-21.41ubuntu1) produces the same freeze. I've managed
to crash it in about 5 minutes. One terminal and one epiphany windows
with a drupal-based site (with no flash).

2.6.24-21 also has the issue of getting from point A to B in 80 seconds.
Point A is Loading, please wait, B is Reading files needed to boot.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-05 Thread sergio.callegari
Hi, I do not want to say it too loud (yet!) since I only had 12 hours
testing, but 2.6.24-20 from the proposed updates seems to finally fix
the freeze issue for me.

Many, many thanks to who finally resolved this longstanding issue!!!

Sergio

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-05 Thread Jeremy Bar
It seems like I am experiencing similar issues as I describe in bug
253852.

Jeremy

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-01 Thread Tom M.
Thank goodness I finally found this bug! It has been frustrating trying to find 
out what the heck is causing this.
I took out my wireless card (Atheros chipset - Netgear WG311T) and I'm just 
using my wired ethernet for the time being to see if the bug is triggered.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-01 Thread sergio.callegari
Your wireless card may _help_ triggering the bug, but unfortunately it is not 
the source of the bug.
I am experiencing the issue on a system with no wireless at all.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-01 Thread Chris Coulson
sergio - It could very well be the source of Tom's problem but there is
no way of knowing with such little information. Just because you see
lock-ups without wireless doesn't mean that other peoples lock-ups can't
be caused by their wireless. As already pointed out many times above,
the people posting to this bug report possibly have completely different
bugs, all with the same symptom. Just because you all see lock-ups does
not mean they are being caused by exactly the same bug.

There are so many different combinations of hardware in this bug report
now that it has become virtually impossible to follow. This bug is fixed
in Intrepid for the original reporter (hence why it is marked as being
tracked in Intrepid). It isn't fixed in Hardy because it is very
difficult to establish exactly what commit fixes the bug for the
original reporter.

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-01 Thread sergio.callegari
Chris Coulson wrote:
 sergio - It could very well be the source of Tom's problem but there is
 no way of knowing with such little information.
Chris, you are right. Indeed it could. But it wouldn't be good news. It 
would mean that all of a sudden, after having had many kernels 
performing stably on most hardware we get into a 2.6.24 having many 
different bugs in many different subsystems, /all/ resulting in hard 
lockups rather than in more disciplinated kernel oopses.

Furthermore, bugs in drivers have typically been rapidly spotted and 
fixed, since driver code is generally modularised and finding the bug 
location is generally as easy as preventing the loading of some modules. 
Conversely, the pattern that I am seeing here by reading most of the 
messages in the various threads is the following:
1) I have the freeze issue
2) I have tried this and this (typically removing some driver or even 
some userland software) and I do not have it anymore, eureka: it is 
pick something among Nvidia, Ati, a wireless driver, even Firefox 3, etc
3) oops sorry, instead of freezing after 30' my system did after 6 hours.
 Just because you see
 lock-ups without wireless doesn't mean that other peoples lock-ups can't
 be caused by their wireless.
Yes, but due to the above, we need to kindly urge bug reporters to open 
/new/ bugs if they believe that they have identified a particular 
subsystem causing the bug.
Surely, I did that in the wrong way and I apologize.
Even more important we need to make sure that bug reporters do not post 
1) and 2) above, forgetting to post 3) in case the bug still manifests.

Or otherwise we can open a new bug Linux kernel 2.6.24 lockup, do not 
post here unless you are experiencing the bug even without ATI, NVIDIA, 
wireless and SATA
  As already pointed out many times above,
 the people posting to this bug report possibly have completely different
 bugs, all with the same symptom. Just because you all see lock-ups does
 not mean they are being caused by exactly the same bug.

 There are so many different combinations of hardware in this bug report
 now that it has become virtually impossible to follow. This bug is fixed
 in Intrepid for the original reporter (hence why it is marked as being
 tracked in Intrepid).
Sorry, I still believe that this is very wrong. If the bug, that was 
originally opened for hardy, is fixed in intrepid for the original 
reporter, then there should be an open hardy tracked bug with the notice 
that it is fixed in intrepid, not a fix-released intrepid tracked bug.

Alternatively, by absurd, if all hardy bugs were found to be fixed in 
intrepid, we could nicely say hurrah, hardy is the perfect 
distribution: it has no open tracked bug at all.

Note that traking the bug only for intrepid means that if you look for 
some bug concerning freezes on hardy you do not find this bug.
Also if one wanted to collect statistics and count hardy bugs, he would 
not count this one.

 It isn't fixed in Hardy because it is very
 difficult to establish exactly what commit fixes the bug for the
 original reporter.
   
The question is if it is worth trying to establish it at all.  If the 
bug manifests randomly every 4-6 hours, every single test may require a 
whole day.  A bisections involving 16 steps requires a fortnight. 
Indeed, since the original report already 4 months have passed with no 
success. Testing whether a backported intrepid kernel breaks something 
on hardy would probably be a much faster and more useful effort.

Sergio

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-01 Thread Chris Coulson
There was a PPA with Intrepid kernels built for Hardy
(https://edge.launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive) but the ones built for
Hardy have gone now. The original reporter (Elod) managed to test one
and reported that it fixed his problems
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/204996/comments/197)

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-08-01 Thread Tim Gardner
The problem with building a Hardy version of the Intrepid kernel is that
it has a build dependency on makedumpfile which does not exist in Hardy
main, only Intrepid main. I've uploaded a Hardy version of makedumpfile
to the kernel PPA, so as soon as it has built, the kernel that is in
DEPWAIT ought to kick off.

Note that if you require linux-restricted-modules for graphics or
wireless, then loading the Intrepid kernel in Hardy won't work for you.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-23 Thread sergio.callegari
This bug was originally reported for hardy.
Indeed it was reported on March 22 when hardy was not even shipped yet.  At 
that time development on intrepid was not even open.

How does it come that it is now tracked as an intrepid bug?
The fact that there is a fix available for intrepid does not mean that there is 
a fix available for hardy. In fact there is not.

Please, track this bug as an hardy bug and leave it open as it should.
Do not treat this as an intrepid bug that appears to be solved: it is a
trick to do so and it is just confusing for users looking for fixes.

Please allow everybody to easily see that there is a very critical open
bug for hardy for which _no_ fix is available (yet) as fixes will need
to be identified and backported from the intrepid kernel (admitting that
it is possible and practical to do so).

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-18 Thread Yotam Medini
Using 2.6.22-14-generic, I  suffer from similar 'random' freeze. This
seems to happen mostly (always?) when FireFox 3.0b5 is running.

I did follow the suggestions of:
Excessive disk I/O in Firefox 3b5
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4770985postcount=50)

Attached is ukbr.tar.gz having:
# tar tvzf ukbr.tar.gz
-rw-rw-rw- root/root124784 2008-07-18 10:33 dmesg.log
-rw-rw-rw- root/root  8479 2008-07-18 10:33 lspci-vvnn.log
-rw-rw-rw- root/root82 2008-07-18 10:33 uname-a.log
-rw-rw-rw- root/root28 2008-07-18 10:33 version.log


** Attachment added: log files asked by KernelTeamBugPolicies
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16147625/ukbr.tar.gz

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Elod VALKAI
wackyiniraqi wrote:

 Has anyone disabled their wireless card and seen if that fixes the 
 problem?  I'm using an Atheros card.

I've just removed the madwifi drivers. With no LAN or WLAN, I've managed 
to freeze the laptop.

It's not related to HW failures, it's a really strange Ubuntu policy, 
that drives an unstable kernel right into an LTS distribution.

I guess a 6 month release cycle is just not feasible.

This kernel should be upgraded to 2.6.26 or downgraded to 2.6.22, which 
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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Wolfgang Glas
Just to put it right, 2.6.18 (debian etch) is the last kerlenl, which
survives on our mildly loaded servers more than a few hours. All kernel
starting from 2.6.20 have locked up on our servers.

And yes, it's shame that such a kernel has made it into a LTS. Even more
bothering is the way, developers cope with this problem: No reaction :(

  Regards,

Wolfgang

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Sandair
I don't think they were aware of the problem when they released it and I
am sure they are trying to fix it.  But this is the toughest type of bug
to fix, especially if you don't have a machine that reproduces.

Another problem is that this thread is somewhat closed because someone
set it as fix released and they may not be looking at it much.  That
is why I opened another identical bug, but there is not much activity
there, so they don't look at that one either.  You should comment there.
It is bug 243561.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/243561

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Sandair
I just realized it is tagged for release in Intrepid, that is why they
are ignoring this thread.  They consider 2.6.25+ to be the solution and
it will be released with Intrepid, but Hardy is LTS!

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Elod VALKAI
Sandair wrote:
 I just realized it is tagged for release in Intrepid, that is why they
 are ignoring this thread.  They consider 2.6.25+ to be the solution and
 it will be released with Intrepid, but Hardy is LTS!

Well... we've got the buggiest LTS so far (and it's only the 2nd in
line).

Surely, this needs to be fixed in Hardy, as it's here to stay for at 
least a couple of years.

I'm also not really convinced that 2.6.25 fixes all problems, as others 
have reported similar behaviour in that release as well. If I remember 
correctly Wolfgang is one of them.

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Elod VALKAI
Sandair wrote:

 Another problem is that this thread is somewhat closed because someone
 set it as fix released and they may not be looking at it much.  

It's fixed because I've got a stable system with 2.6.25 from ... 
proposed-upgrades I guess. It's considered fixed on the Dell C400, that 
I originally reported it on.

An Ubuntu rep. (Leann if I remember correctly) proposed that all 
affected open a separate bug-report, because it's easier to track bugs 
that way.

I was also asked if I'd do a git-bisect. Until now I did not find the 
time to do it, but someone will have to, in order to narrow it down somehow.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Chris Coulson
Elod is correct. It is marked as Fix Released for Intrepid because he
reports that the crash doesn't occur for kernel version  2.6.25 on his
machine. As he is the original reporter, then this means that his bug is
fixed in Intrepid. It won't be fixed for Hardy unless we can determine
exactly what commit fixed the problem which caused Elod's lock-up.

Other people experiencing lock-ups should open their own individual bug
reports containing all the relevant information as per the kernel team
bug policy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies unless they
are absolutely sure that their lock-up is caused by the same problem
which caused the lock-ups for Elod. You should contain a brief
description of your hardware in the bug title (not just kernel 2.6.24
lockup or whatever, otherwise you'll end up with another bug report that
is hijacked by lots of other people).

Remember, just because you're all experiencing the same symptom doesn't
mean that it is the same bug. A lock-up or crash is a fairly generic
symptom. Your lock-ups could all have different causes, and without
doing detailed debugging, it is not possible to determine what the cause
is. Adding me too's here just confuses things, makes the bug report
difficult to follow and makes it less and less likely that your problem
will get fixed.

Multiple bug reports specific to a single hardware set-up are much
easier to follow than one large bug report with umpteen permutations of
hardware configuration.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread KevDog
Note to others -- Ive tried the Ibex Kernel and the lockup issue
continues.  So unless a different kernel version is going to be released
the new kernel does not seem to solve the problem for me!

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Chainz
I have no wireless and having the lockups - In my opinion it's graphics
related problem.


2008/7/16 Elod VALKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 wackyiniraqi wrote:

  Has anyone disabled their wireless card and seen if that fixes the
  problem?  I'm using an Atheros card.

 I've just removed the madwifi drivers. With no LAN or WLAN, I've managed
 to freeze the laptop.

 It's not related to HW failures, it's a really strange Ubuntu policy,
 that drives an unstable kernel right into an LTS distribution.

 I guess a 6 month release cycle is just not feasible.

 This kernel should be upgraded to 2.6.26 or downgraded to 2.6.22, which
 is the last, proven stable kernel.

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 Status in linux source package in Ubuntu: Fix Released
 Status in linux in Ubuntu Intrepid: Fix Released

 Bug description:
 Binary package hint: linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic

 I was upgrading from gutsy (with Linux 2.6.22-14) to the latest alpha last
 sunday (16.03.2008), and I've got some problems with the kernel.

 The 2.6.24-12-generic (I think, may be -386) causes my machine to lock up
 (hard) after about 5 minutes. Generally I was under X, there is no specific
 program I was using at the time it locked up.

 The hardware is completely stable  has been for the last 3 years with
 ubuntu, and still is with hardy  the gutsy kernel.

 Another thing I noticed is that something in the initrd keeps the machine
 from booting for at least 2-3 minutes. It's definetely before running
 scripts in the /etc/rcS.d folder, I have not traced it in the initrd. After
 booting all is well until it locks up.

 The hardware is a Dell C400, Intel chipset, Intel graphics (i830), 384MB of
 RAM and an atheros wireless card.

 lsb_release:
 Description:Ubuntu hardy (development branch)
 Release:8.04

 It's completely reproductible, the freeze takes out the whole kernel (no
 reply to ping from network). Any suggestions on how to trace it? I have a
 serial port, no parallel.


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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-16 Thread Ed Arnold
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Wolfgang Glas wrote:

 Just to put it right, 2.6.18 (debian etch) is the last kerlenl, which
 survives on our mildly loaded servers more than a few hours. All kernel
 starting from 2.6.20 have locked up on our servers.
 
 And yes, it's shame that such a kernel has made it into a LTS. Even more
 bothering is the way, developers cope with this problem: No reaction :(

Which is exactly why, when I reinstall some version of linux on my
laptop, I'm going to go with a release from Redhat.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread Luís Silva
False alarm, uninstalling backport modules didn't solved the problem...

The laptop stood up for 10 days without locking up, but today did it
again... :(

This problem is driving me mad... I'm starting to think the only
possible cause for this problem is hardware failure, but this doesn't
fit as it started around one of the alphas of hardy and several other
pelople complainted of the same issue...

How can I help debug the problem, can the dev's give some directions?
This is a serious issue...

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread Wolfgang Glas
OK, after all this mess, I skimmed through the 2.6.25 changelogs looking
for possible deadlock fixes.

The first commit that seems to be conistent with my own experience is:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=b000cd3707e7b25d76745f9c0e261c23d21fa578

This is a problem in certain unusual states of the TCP/IP-stack. Since
many users experience the deadlock with wireless and/or dialup
connections, this might be the right one to look at, since sequence
holes are something that might typically occur on such connections.

Can a developer please tell me, whether this patch is already applied to
2.6.24-19 ? If no, would it be possible to provide a testing kernl with
this patch applied?

  TIA,
 
Wolfgang

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread Martin
I can say that I don't have kernel panics with 2.6.24-19, only those hiccups
that last for about 10 seconds.

2008/7/14 Wolfgang Glas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 OK, after all this mess, I skimmed through the 2.6.25 changelogs looking
 for possible deadlock fixes.

 The first commit that seems to be conistent with my own experience is:


 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=b000cd3707e7b25d76745f9c0e261c23d21fa578

 This is a problem in certain unusual states of the TCP/IP-stack. Since
 many users experience the deadlock with wireless and/or dialup
 connections, this might be the right one to look at, since sequence
 holes are something that might typically occur on such connections.

 Can a developer please tell me, whether this patch is already applied to
 2.6.24-19 ? If no, would it be possible to provide a testing kernl with
 this patch applied?

  TIA,

Wolfgang

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread Wolfgang Glas
However, a lot of people experience the described system deadlock. May
there be a developer, who comments about the above mentioned kernel
patch

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=b000cd3707e7b25d76745f9c0e261c23d21fa578

TIA,
   Wolfgang

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread inquinador
I was having these regular freezes, sometimes 3 or 4 time in a row and had to 
force reboot every time.
Later on i noticed another freeze (this one reproducible) while connecting my 
WM6 PPC to DUN --activesync... that was already reported.
The following thought came to mind: What if they are somehow related?
After disconnecting my bluetooth adapter the random freezes completely 
disappeared, one week without any freezes...

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread wackyiniraqi
I thought this might be a video card problem.  I removed my Nvidia 6200 
and put in a GeForce3 Ti200.  The problem still persists...I tried 
recovery mode last night and the comp froze while loading everything I 
had to hard reset the computer about 12 times before I could finally get 
it to load so that I could grab my data and move to the laptop.

Has anyone disabled their wireless card and seen if that fixes the 
problem?  I'm using an Atheros card.

inquinador wrote:
 I was having these regular freezes, sometimes 3 or 4 time in a row and had to 
 force reboot every time.
 Later on i noticed another freeze (this one reproducible) while connecting my 
 WM6 PPC to DUN --activesync... that was already reported.
 The following thought came to mind: What if they are somehow related?
 After disconnecting my bluetooth adapter the random freezes completely 
 disappeared, one week without any freezes...



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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-14 Thread wackyiniraqi
I have since removed my Atheros wireless card and installed a broadcom
card.problem still persistsseems the desktop is gonna have to
use winDOZE for now

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-13 Thread wackyiniraqi
same problems here...but only on my desktop...laptop working good.
Using wireless exclusively.  other logs to follow

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-13 Thread wackyiniraqi

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2008-07-13 Thread wackyiniraqi

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-13 Thread wackyiniraqi
some people on other forums have suggested that this is a compiz lock-
up.  I do not believe that to be the case.  As with the compiz lock-up
the mouse still works and people can ssh.  with this lockup i'm getting
I have to hit reset or the power button on my tower.  Sometimes I get
this lockup at the login screen and the login sound loops forever...it's
crazy.  Can't be compiz at the login screen.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-07-05 Thread Luís Silva
Does anyone here has backport-modules installed? I was having a hard
freeze (with no output, just the complete freeze) with disapeared after
uninstalling backport modules. My hardware is a core2duo laptop with ati
graphics (X1600) and intel iwl3945 wireless card. When someone sugested
that the crash could be related to wireless networking I remembered that
hardy default driver was iwl3945 1.2.0 and backport modules provided a
more recent one... I notice an obvious difference in performace between
the to driver versions, but the crashes seem to go away.

backport-modules include mac80211 and iwlwifi new versions, as well as
other drivers, so if the problem was in mac80211 this could be the
reason why so many different hardware configurations are affected right?

The freeze started around beta time (a little bit before, as I can
recall) and remained till I removed backport-modules the other day. Now
i'm with kernel 2.6.24-19-generic

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-24 Thread Kuba Górski
Sorry for posting so many times in a row.

But this time I have solved the freezes, in my case at least. What I did
was to create a redistributable  bootable backup dvd with remastersys
in case I had to reinstall. Since I gutted the Hardy installation from
trying to fix the bug I used the backup for the first time. Only later I
realized there were no lockups. It has been stable for 1½ days now. I'll
report further some week from now. Present dmesg attached. Still
2.6.24-19-generic.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-23 Thread Kuba Górski
Hi! 
Can you help me testing out this (ugly fix?). Out of pure curiosity I did:
echo 1  /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
but while trying to 'trace' the bug with dmesg (assuming it's I/O related) I 
couldn't find anything. WHY? Because my Ubuntu Hardy stopped freezing! My 
theory is that this command works like a 'keep-alive', thus the drive has no 
room to 'time-out'. Since there is no way to explain this accurately, can 
somebody try this and confirm? When you're done revert with: echo 0  
/proc/sys/vm/block_dump. Do dmesg to check the output. Not a fix, but always 
something.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-23 Thread Kuba Górski
Ignore echo 1  /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, this only delayed the freeze.
Bug remains.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-23 Thread Kuba Górski
Managed to get some output with block_dump enabled. Very interesting.
Most interesting excerpts here, complete one attached. Note, the mouse
freeze is least relevant here.

[ 9499.124930] psmouse.c: GlidePoint at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost 
synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away.
[ 9500.058337] psmouse.c: resync failed, issuing reconnect request
[ 9500.532960] udevd(18112): dirtied inode 3361284 
(\x2fdevices\x2fvirtual\x2finput\x2finput11\x2fmouse1) on tmpfs
[ 9500.542415] udevd(18113): dirtied inode 3361296 
(\x2fdevices\x2fvirtual\x2finput\x2finput11\x2fevent3) on tmpfs
[ 9500.561211] udevd(18115): dirtied inode 3361309 
(\x2fdevices\x2fplatform\x2fi8042\x2fserio1\x2finput\x2finput12\x2fmouse2) on 
tmpfs
[ 9500.574371] udevd(18116): dirtied inode 3361319 
(\x2fdevices\x2fplatform\x2fi8042\x2fserio1\x2finput\x2finput12\x2fevent4) on 
tmpfs
[ 9501.181937] input: PS/2 Mouse as /devices/virtual/input/input13
[ 9501.230852] input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as 
/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input14
[ 4747.055221] udevd(18127): dirtied inode 9272 (subsystem) on sysfs )
[ 4747.074221] udevd(18123): dirtied inode 3417830 (mouse1) on tmpfs
[ 4747.074561] hald(5224): dirtied inode 9298 (subsystem) on sysfs
[ 4747.086035] udevd(18127): dirtied inode 3417837 (event3) on tmpfs
[ 4747.086323] hald(5224): dirtied inode 9306 (subsystem) on sysfs
[ 4747.110600] hald(5224): dirtied inode 9087 (driver) on sysfs  --- (most 
interesting, hence driver)
[ 4747.116036] path_id(18136): dirtied inode 9314 (subsystem) on sysfs
[ 4747.124292] udevd(18135): dirtied inode 3417891 (mouse2) on tmpfs
[ 4747.124696] hald(5224): dirtied inode 9341 (subsystem) on sysfs
[ 4747.125481] udevd(18138): dirtied inode 3417900 (event4) on tmpfs
[ 4747.125887] hald(5224): dirtied inode 10503 (subsystem) on sysfs

I hope this helps a bit.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-23 Thread Kuba Górski
2.6.24-19-generic

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-22 Thread Chris Coulson
Alex - Your issue doesn't even have the same symptom as those reported
here, so unless you report a separate bug report, your issue will not
get resolved.

As per
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/204996/comments/192,
will people who are still experiencing this problem and have different
hardware to the original reporter please open a new bug report. It's
unlikely that your problem will get fixed by commenting on this one.
With all the different permutations of hardware, workarounds and
scenarios here, this bug report is virtually impossible to follow.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-22 Thread Sandair
Update for any kernel dev following this thread.  I have the same
hardware as the original poster (Dell C400, 512MB), possibly with a
different wireless card (but the freeze happens even with a wired
connection).  And 2.6.24-19 still does not fix it.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-21 Thread Alex Borisov
I'm having the same problem on a Sony PCG-Z600LEK. I cant even boot. I
seem to recall being able to use 7.10 fine, but the message was always
flooding the message log (and using the tty was impossible). I cannot
install 8.4 - it hangs on the boot screen for a while, then drops to tty
and floods it with debounce messages.

Im having the same issue with Mint (naturally since it's ubuntu based).
I also have the problem with the latest Debian (although i installed
just fine, but the system went down after an update - so it's probably
kernel related). I'm going to try non debian distros like Fedora but i
expect the same. I will also try using older versions although this bug
is reported across multiple kernels and has cropped up in the past.

Im also getting:

usb 1-1.3: device not accepting address xx, error -71

and

device descriptor read/64, error -71.

I have no bluetooth in this laptop, have no usb devices attached and i
have even tried opening it up and manually disconnecting the usb ports
from the motherboard (so it's controller related) and the issue still
remains. All the stuff about legacy etc... is useless as are all the
kernel parameters. As of right now this laptop is a paperweight until
this issue is resolved.

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[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-19 Thread UbunG
I have kernel 2.6.24-19 also and this bug continues to be terrible.  I
get lockups and freezes even if I'm not doing anything on my laptop. I
can step away and come back and my screen is frozen as well as my
harddrive. The harddrive activity indicator always remains stuck lit
during a freeze moment.  Even while shutting my computer down, it will
freeze 99% of the time. And it's frustrating when typing an email
message, a freeze moment occurs. Thankfully, email services like Google
and Yahoo have an auto save protection feature during composing. If not,
composed email messages would be lost forever!

Is there any other way, than going back to Gutsy, I can fix these lock/freeze 
issues?  I don't want to have to wipe my hardrive clean and reinstall all the 
programs I installed, especially since the only issue is the lock/freeze 
problem. 
Is there an updated kernel ready for installation or is there one in the making?

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Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

2008-06-19 Thread brodiepearce
I think it's now well-established that the lockups/freezes in Hardy are 
being produced by a wide variety of situations.  The only times I get 
lockups without using RT61 wireless are during gameplay with WINE.

Chainz wrote:
 It must be something with graphics and most probably OpenGL.
 First Screensaver... And now I found another way to reproduce the error: 
 I just start Blender and try to work in it, after about 30 seconds it hangs 
 :'(

 At the moment I have kernel: 2.6.24-19



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2008-06-18 Thread Chainz
It must be something with graphics and most probably OpenGL.
First Screensaver... And now I found another way to reproduce the error: 
I just start Blender and try to work in it, after about 30 seconds it hangs :'(

At the moment I have kernel: 2.6.24-19

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