[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
The discussion for not including Amarok 1.4 packages has occurred several times [1][2][3], so I'm changing this bug's direction towards better support for iPhones. [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/368706 [2] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/331449 [3] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/316889 ** Summary changed: - Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? + Support for iPhone-like devices in Amarok 2 -- Support for iPhone-like devices in Amarok 2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Confirmed ** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Milestone: jaunty-updates = None ** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Assignee: Jonathan Thomas (echidnaman) = (unassigned) -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
Just want to add that I too have experienced this when upgrading for 9.04 and as a result have had to switch to gtkpod and ifuse. But I still have problems (slow, directory syncing doesn't work well) so I would love to see whatever needs it get support for these non-physical fuse/sshfs/etc filesystems. -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 02:26 +, chris wrote: I mostly use arch these days, but I've learned a little about this problem recently, and thought I'd share (since the kde guys were kind of rude about it in their upstream bug tracker). The recent commit to amarok should allow it to properly detect iphones/touches -- *if* the device is recognized by solid, which means it must also be recognized by hal. sshfs mounts don't show up in hal because no hardware is actually involved, and hal is for managing hardware. So, something in amarok or solid, or (less likely) hal needs to change for sshfs to become viable in amarok2. This is exactly what I descibe in the bug. An option which may be viable, which I'm experimenting with, is iFuse[1]. iFuse attempts to communicate with iphones/touches via native Apple protocols over USB. Since the connection is via USB, the device is recognized by hal and solid, at least in theory. Well, no. iFuse is just like SSHFS. Both use FUSE, and fuse does not declare volumes in HAL. For me, on arch, theory breaks down rather quickly. The hal portion of iFuse is dependent on an fdi file included with iFuse, which doesn't exactly work (at least not on arch). I've been hacking on it, but I'm not quite there yet. This fdi file is for when HAL detects the USB device. It is no declaration of the FUSE volume. There is a deb package for debian experimental that might be a good place for ubuntu users to start. It might even work out of the box for you. I even tried compiling it from source, just in case I was wrong. I was not. Nico -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
On 04/27/2009 10:54 PM, Nico wrote: This is exactly what I descibe in the bug. The upstream bug was very limited in scope. Look at its title. It was not intended to address the solid/hal issue, but to replace an internal recognition function that had been removed in amarok2 (Probably a good first step is to get isIpod to return true for iPhone.). They fixed the bug, as it was reported to them (getting the amarok function isIpod to return true for iPhone), though they did not fix the underlying problem you reported here (amarok2 doesn't recognize an sshfs mounted iphone). iFuse is just like SSHFS. Both use FUSE, and fuse does not declare volumes in HAL. ifuse is different because it is over a hardwired USB connection. Note that ntfs-3g also uses fuse and its volumes are reported perfectly by HAL. HAL recognition of fuse volumes was implemented circa 2006 (search the bug database at freedesktop.org). The reason sshfs volumes are not detected by HAL has nothing to do with fuse. It is because sshfs volumes are not hardware. HAL is the HARDWARE abstraction layer. If there is no hardware involved, HAL is not involved. You wouldn't expect an NFS or SMB volume to show up in HAL, either. ;-) Moreover, HAL most certainly *does* detect USB iphone connections. You can prove this to yourself by running `lshal -m` and watching while you plug in your iphone. This fdi file is for when HAL detects the USB device. It is no declaration of the FUSE volume. You are correct that the fdi file is for when HAL detects the iphone over USB; however, the fdi file most certainly does contain hal declarations for the ifuse volume. The debian helper script (which was adapted from fedora) even assigns major and minor numbers to the device to facilitate this functionality. I've gotten it partially working, but in my case hal is still slightly confused between the ifuse volume and the ptp-class camera device. (The fdi file contains some remove directives related to camera keys, but they don't seem to be working for me. Or they're not applying to the right usb device. It's a little hard to tell.) The main problem I'm seeing is that the match directives in the ifuse fdi file don't directly match the attributes reported from my iphone-3g to the kernel to hal. The fdi file is out-of-date relative to some combination of (1) my kernel (2.6.29.1), (2) my device (iphone 3g), and/or (3) my hal version (0.5.12git20090406). It's worth noting that the ifuse home page implies that iphone 3g support is uncertain. I am able to mount my 3g via ifuse, however, so hal support should be just a matter of tweaking the fdi directives to properly match the hardware info the 3g is sending to hal via the kernel. I even tried compiling it from source, just in case I was wrong. I was not. The problem isn't with compilation. The fdi directives are provided by upstream or the package maintainer. Play more with tweaking the fdi file and watching the results (after restarting hald) in the full output of lshal. -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 11:58 +, chris wrote: On 04/27/2009 10:54 PM, Nico wrote: This is exactly what I descibe in the bug. The upstream bug was very limited in scope. Look at its title. It was not intended to address the solid/hal issue, but to replace an internal recognition function that had been removed in amarok2 (Probably a good first step is to get isIpod to return true for iPhone.). They fixed the bug, as it was reported to them (getting the amarok function isIpod to return true for iPhone), though they did not fix the underlying problem you reported here (amarok2 doesn't recognize an sshfs mounted iphone). True. I've been on the Amarok 2 ML. The target they have at this time is to expose more media device to the scripting API so that manual scans of mounted volumes can be made, not using Solid, then iphones can be mounted using whatever mean is available (iFuse, sshfs, etc...). iFuse is just like SSHFS. Both use FUSE, and fuse does not declare volumes in HAL. ifuse is different because it is over a hardwired USB connection. No it is not. iFuse shows a network object multiplexed into USB as a disk. iPhones do not show themselves as disks outside of the camera stuff. The music stuff is through a network protocol. So, once more, iFuse will not put anything in HAL. Note that ntfs-3g also uses fuse and its volumes are reported perfectly by HAL. HAL recognition of fuse volumes was implemented circa 2006 (search the bug database at freedesktop.org). Yes, sure, because it mounts real disks/partitions. The reason sshfs volumes are not detected by HAL has nothing to do with fuse. It is because sshfs volumes are not hardware. It is the same for iFuse. iFuse deals with USBmux (network protocol) and AFC (network service), not with disks. HAL is the HARDWARE abstraction layer. If there is no hardware involved, HAL is not involved. You wouldn't expect an NFS or SMB volume to show up in HAL, either. ;-) So do not expect iFuse to do either. Moreover, HAL most certainly *does* detect USB iphone connections. You can prove this to yourself by running `lshal -m` and watching while you plug in your iphone. Sure, it detects the only part that looks like a disk, and linux supports it very well to give you acces to the pictures on the device. This fdi file is for when HAL detects the USB device. It is no declaration of the FUSE volume. True, it detects the picture device and assumes that if that part is there, then the rest will be too. You are correct that the fdi file is for when HAL detects the iphone over USB The pictures storing part of the iPhone. ; however, the fdi file most certainly does contain hal declarations for the ifuse volume. The debian helper script (which was adapted from fedora) even assigns major and minor numbers to the device to facilitate this functionality. I've gotten it partially working, but in my case hal is still slightly confused between the ifuse volume and the ptp-class camera device. (The fdi file contains some remove directives related to camera keys, but they don't seem to be working for me. Or they're not applying to the right usb device. It's a little hard to tell.) The main problem I'm seeing is that the match directives in the ifuse fdi file don't directly match the attributes reported from my iphone-3g to the kernel to hal. The fdi file is out-of-date relative to some combination of (1) my kernel (2.6.29.1), (2) my device (iphone 3g), and/or (3) my hal version (0.5.12git20090406). It's worth noting that the ifuse home page implies that iphone 3g support is uncertain. I am able to mount my 3g via ifuse, however, so hal support should be just a matter of tweaking the fdi directives to properly match the hardware info the 3g is sending to hal via the kernel. I even tried compiling it from source, just in case I was wrong. I was not. The problem isn't with compilation. Oh, let's say I've installed it too. :o) The fdi directives are provided by upstream or the package maintainer. Play more with tweaking the fdi file and watching the results (after restarting hald) in the full output of lshal. OK, I accept that I may be wrong on this. I will investigate that part further. But yes, it looks like the iFuse stuff tries to declare storage devices and volumes into HAL. In any case, I do not like giving all my hope only to iFuse. It looks great, but my guess is that it is far from production ready, a lot of stuff is being re-addressed by the development team. Nico -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
Bug #368706 asks for the creation of a package for Amarok 1.4. -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
I mostly use arch these days, but I've learned a little about this problem recently, and thought I'd share (since the kde guys were kind of rude about it in their upstream bug tracker). The recent commit to amarok should allow it to properly detect iphones/touches -- *if* the device is recognized by solid, which means it must also be recognized by hal. sshfs mounts don't show up in hal because no hardware is actually involved, and hal is for managing hardware. So, something in amarok or solid, or (less likely) hal needs to change for sshfs to become viable in amarok2. An option which may be viable, which I'm experimenting with, is iFuse[1]. iFuse attempts to communicate with iphones/touches via native Apple protocols over USB. Since the connection is via USB, the device is recognized by hal and solid, at least in theory. For me, on arch, theory breaks down rather quickly. The hal portion of iFuse is dependent on an fdi file included with iFuse, which doesn't exactly work (at least not on arch). I've been hacking on it, but I'm not quite there yet. There is a deb package for debian experimental that might be a good place for ubuntu users to start. It might even work out of the box for you. -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
** Changed in: amarok Status: New = Fix Released -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
hmmm I did a compile from SVN, including that fix. And the problem remains the same. The ipod-convenience package does the fuse/sshfs mount, but that mount is not declared/seen by HAL, so Amarok still does not check it, so no iPod Touch/iPhone is seen by Amarok. Amarok logs with the latest SVN including the fix: http://www.youplala.net/~will/amarok2/amarok_2.1_svn_20090424.log Historical stuff: http://www.youplala.net/~will/amarok2/ -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
Would it be possible for you to test the Amarok 2.1 beta packages from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa ? -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
OK, I have setup the ppa and upgraded the Amarok package. It is complaining heavily about a few modules at startup (Librivox, Lyricwiki), probably not related to our case. And the result is the same, negative. The sshfs mount is still not declared in HAL, Amarok uses Solid to detect devices, Solid only uses HAL to detect devices, amarok sees no iPhone/iPod Touch. So the situation with the 2.1 package from the PPA is the same as with my SVN checkout os 2.1 done this morning. ** Attachment added: amarok --debug output from the 2.1 ppa package http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25928598/amarok_2.1%2Bppa_20090424.log -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
Thanks, I've reopened the upstream bug and also posted a link to here. -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
** Changed in: amarok Status: Fix Released = New -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to amarok in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
A fix has been made upstream in trunk. I'll see if I can't get a stable release update for Kubuntu 9.04 put together once Kubuntu 9.10 opens for development. ** Bug watch added: KDE Bug Tracking System #184744 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184744 ** Also affects: amarok via http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184744 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Milestone: None = jaunty-updates ** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Jonathan Thomas (echidnaman) -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
** Changed in: amarok Status: Unknown = Fix Released -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
Hi Jonathan, Thanks for this. Is it possible to have more details on the fix? -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 362182] Re: Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4?
ignore my previous comment, please. I just saw the upstream bug -- Amarok 2 lost support for iPhone-like devices - Choice between 2 and 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362182 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
