Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Ubuntu Server seeded package review

2013-12-03 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 3 December 2013 22:50, Barry Warsaw ba...@ubuntu.com wrote:
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 On Dec 03, 2013, at 04:33 PM, James Page wrote:

As part of tidying for the next LTS release, the Server Team are
proposing a review of server released seeded packages that are
currently in Ubuntu main (proposed changes tracked in [0] for now).

 Continuing to demote Python 2, we want to get rid of it on server[*] if at all
 possible.  For example, I've identified byobu, landscape-common, and vim as
 three packages with `Task: server` pulling in Python 2.7.

 For byobu, we have LP: #1253458, currently waiting on some feedback from
 Dustin.

 For vim, we have http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729924
 currently waiting on feedback from Debian Vim maintainers.  I'm not a Vim
 user, but if you want to help test this, a package is available in my PPA:

 https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/experimental

 Based on your feedback, I'd be willing to temporarily get ahead of Debian 
 here.

 landscape-client may be trickier because that gets us into some Twisted
 packages, which aren't yet packaged for Python 3.


What portion of landscape-client is on the server-cd?

For example on the desktop CDs, we only have
landscape-client-ui-install which is a small shim that bootstraps /
installs the rest of the landscape support packages from the archive.

If on the server CD, it's not a small shim yet, maybe we can make it
to be as such (and in python3) ?

Regards,

Dmitrijs.

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Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Ubuntu Server seeded package review

2013-12-03 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, James Page james.p...@ubuntu.com wrote:
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 Hi Folks

 As part of tidying for the next LTS release, the Server Team are
 proposing a review of server released seeded packages that are
 currently in Ubuntu main (proposed changes tracked in [0] for now).

 Here's the initial review of seeds, and some proposed moves and drops
 we are considering:

 Branch:
 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty

 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty/view/head:/server

 Description: Default server install

 whoopsie (ack'ed by ev)
 wireless-tools
 wpasupplicant

 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty/view/head:/server-ship

 Description: Server ISO image

 nut, nut-cgi, nut-snmp (move to supported-misc-servers)
 likewise-open (largely unmaintained in distro -
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LikewiseOpen)
 powernap, powernap-server (still revelvant?)

No objection from me (co-maintainer) to drop PowerNap from the ISO.
It's still easy to get post installation.

 quagga (maybe move to supported-misc-servers)
 backuppc
 python-beautifulsoup
 python-genshi (will be pulled into main via supported-misc-servers ...
 python-pecan)
 whoopsie (ack'ed by ev)
 mutt

 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty/view/head:/cloud-image

 Description: Default cloud-image install

 whoopsie (ack'ed by ev)
 tasksel (drops aptitude etc.)
 euca2ools (move to supported-misc-servers)

 Branch:
 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.trusty

 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.trusty/view/head:/supported-misc-servers

 Description: Other supported stuff which is not on the ISO

 No candidates identified

 And a few other packages that we'd like to not be part of the cloud
 images (which include the 'cloud-image' and 'server' seeds).  These
 are not explicitly listed in either of these seeds but are pulled in
 due to dependencies or Recommends.

 ppp
 usbutils
 os-prober
 aptitude
 memtest86

 ... and discuss!

 I'd like to land any changes early in 2014 prior to feature freeze.

 Cheers

 James

 [0] http://pad.ubuntu.com/server-seed-review

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Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Ubuntu Server seeded package review

2013-12-03 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@ubuntu.com wrote:
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 On Dec 03, 2013, at 04:33 PM, James Page wrote:

As part of tidying for the next LTS release, the Server Team are
proposing a review of server released seeded packages that are
currently in Ubuntu main (proposed changes tracked in [0] for now).

 Continuing to demote Python 2, we want to get rid of it on server[*] if at all
 possible.  For example, I've identified byobu, landscape-common, and vim as
 three packages with `Task: server` pulling in Python 2.7.

 For byobu, we have LP: #1253458, currently waiting on some feedback from
 Dustin.

This is incurring a bit of work for me upstream, in trying to continue
producing a Byobu orig tarball that runs everywhere (back to Ubuntu
12.04, weird UNIXes, weird Linuxes)...

But you have my commitment that it will be fixed for Ubuntu 14.04.  Thanks ;-)

 For vim, we have http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729924
 currently waiting on feedback from Debian Vim maintainers.  I'm not a Vim
 user, but if you want to help test this, a package is available in my PPA:

 https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/experimental

 Based on your feedback, I'd be willing to temporarily get ahead of Debian 
 here.

 landscape-client may be trickier because that gets us into some Twisted
 packages, which aren't yet packaged for Python 3.

 See also (and add anything missing!):

 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-python3-roadmap
 http://tinyurl.com/mmj4y6a

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty/view/head:/server-ship

Description: Server ISO image

nut, nut-cgi, nut-snmp (move to supported-misc-servers)
likewise-open (largely unmaintained in distro -
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LikewiseOpen)
powernap, powernap-server (still revelvant?)

 Looks like powernap still depends on Python 2.

quagga (maybe move to supported-misc-servers)
backuppc
python-beautifulsoup

 Whatever is pulling this one in should be ported to python3-bs4, or at least
 python-bs4 since afaict beautifulsoup 3 is no longer being actively maintained
 upstream (critical bug fixes only according to them).

python-genshi (will be pulled into main via supported-misc-servers ...

 Upstream 0.7 supports Python 3, but not yet Debian - BTS #731280.

python-pecan)

 Upstream 0.4.2 supports Python 3, but not yet Debian - BTS #731283.

 Cheers,
 - -Barry
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