Re: Rhythmbox bugfix update?
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:48 AM, A. Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:14 AM, A. Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Mackenzie Morgan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
LP Bug:
https://bugs.edge.launchp.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/202405
GNOME Bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505340
Rhythmbox tries to load songs before finding out what directories
to
load
from, and it can cause it to crash. It also produces a *lot* of
import
errors, which new users are sure to find off-putting. Since
there's a
patch
attached to the GNOME bug which has been accepted by the GNOME
devs,
could
this patch be backported to Hardy's Rhythmbox to fix it before
release?
Said patch is already in Hardy (Rhythmbox 0.11.4.90; the patch was
committed to trunk in December and Hardy's pull is from Feb 27).
Perhaps you're running into a different bug?
Oh. Hmm maybe HAL's misreporting which directories on the iAudio are
audio directories? Is there a way I can check that?
By the way, GNOME devs marked my iAudio bug as a dup of that one, which
is
why I reported it like that in Launchpad. I just posted to my original
bug
there ( http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522543 ) what you just
said.
You can try to see if the device info is correct using
hal-device-manager, but I'm not exactly sure of what key to look for
(other than just looking around and hoping something stands out as
being wrong). This should probably have a high Google-factor with your
specific iAudio model and HAL, (the key's probably somewhere in the
portable_audio_player namespace, but that's about as much as I can
say, I'm not really that familiar with HAL). Hope that helps.
-A. Walton
portable_audio_player.audio_folders = { 'MUSIC/', 'VOICE/', 'RECORD/' }
(string list)
That looks correct, but Rhythmbox is pulling from SYSTEM/ and podcastready/
(which is not where the audio files go...it's got apps in there) and MOVIE/
and PICTURE/
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Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote on 15/03/08 08:22: Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: ... Please also take care of not doing this change alone - you're aware of that since you asked the list. This should be discussed with GNOME, since they have the same issue. Moreover, PolicyKit is going to add many changes in this domain, and maybe the distinction system-wide/user-only will disappear soon. This will be a real problem while we are migrating, and I'm glad you're caring about this now. Maybe the best solution would be a single Control Center, which already exists. So please see this in a long-term outlook, changes are likely to happen in the newt months. This is indeed true. I remember the Gnome Control Center were introduced to replace those two menu sets in feisty then removed after a few days. I think the reason was that a lot of people found that it was slower to access a menu item this way. You have to wait longer for the Control Center to open than you have to wait for the Preferences/Administration menus to open. Then you still need to wait just as long for the individual control panel to open, then when you've finished you have to close the Control Center separately, which you don't need to do with the menu. That doesn't mean the current menus are good -- they're pretty bad. :-) But they're still quicker, most of the time, than the current Gnome Control Center. A more professional solution would be to merge the configurations GUIs and use policy kit to hide System Wide tasks. But this takes time. I am really wondering if we shouldn't study this solution. Have a single GUI for Printing but hide some options using policy kit ... ... That's one part of the solution. You may have seen that this general problem is also discussed on Brainstorm. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/80 Cheers - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH22zJ6PUxNfU6ecoRApmWAJ45G8Xv0yih0uyfNZqzewlnGb+tSwCgvVJn 1hkd3YlgdOT8gqrdp2zwdtU= =q9cj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Rsync 3.0 in Hardy?
Hi there, I was wondering if rsync 3.0 is gonna make it into Hardy. It isn't now, and we are after freeze if I read the release schedule. But it does have quite a few new features, and the Ubuntu releases and archive-mirrors itself would benefit rsync 3.0 in hardy. :) http://www.samba.org/ftp/rsync/src/rsync-3.0.0-NEWS Regards, Mark Schouten -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Cory K. wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. Well, it depends on what you want to do. If the point is just to change the menu layout and labels , it only affect gnome-menus. But to change an entry like systemAdministrationPrinting, it affects the concerned application. So it's easier to change the layout than all the entries. wattazoum -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Anyway, do we validate Preferences to Your Preferences ? I'd say My preferences, as Remco argued few mails before: Those are different things. Those tool tips are like a teacher directly speaking to you. But the text in programs is about the data. Think about a program that let's you create a diary. You'd call it My Diary because you are creating it for yourself. You're not creating one for the computer. However, the tool-tips and suggestions would address you as you. That's the computer helping you by talking to you. I approve of his classification, but this will require much work from upstream, and from Ubuntu to merge distro-specific tools into GNOME ones, like it was done for Appearance. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Remco wrote: (I could've sworn that I hit Reply to All... oh well, I'm sorry for the double emails to you, Greg. ) I sent the following to Greg an hour ago: I think that a simple renaming or merging isn't going to fix this. The complete configuration system has to be thought out. Someone configuring his computer doesn't want to choose between 30 items in each list. But he doesn't want to choose between 30 items in one list either. He just wants to configure his: * Personal Info - timezone, language, About Me * Display - resolution, appearance, screensaver, power saving, etc * Sound - which system, which sounds, recording * Input - mouse, keyboard, joystick, head tracker, whatever * Printers - anything and everything * Peripheral Devices - iPod, Zune, PalmOS, syncing, etc * Network Connectivity - IR, Bluetooth, Wifi, Ethernet, Proxy, samba, nfs * Security - Users/Groups, Keyring, Firewall, Anti-virus Any information, like System Monitor, Hardware Information and System Log, should move outside the options menus. You're not changing any settings with those. Package Management doesn't need to be there either. It has a nice icon under the Applications menu. An advanced button will suffice for that. It's not really a setting anyway, so it shouldn't be where it is now. Maybe another configuration applet is needed: Storage. With things like indexing, backups, restore points, partition management and maybe even defragmentation. But Ubuntu is lacking a bit with backups, restore points and defragmentation. (hoping not to start a defragmentation on linux flame war) Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Rsync 3.0 in Hardy?
Quoting Mark Schouten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering if rsync 3.0 is gonna make it into Hardy. It isn't now, and we are after freeze if I read the release schedule. But it does have quite a few new features, and the Ubuntu releases and archive-mirrors itself would benefit rsync 3.0 in hardy. :) http://www.samba.org/ftp/rsync/src/rsync-3.0.0-NEWS In case it doesn't in the official repository, rsync 3.0 is available for Dapper, Gutsy and Hardy from my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive -- Pau Garcia i Quiles http://www.elpauer.org (Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Cory K. wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. Well, it depends on what you want to do. If the point is just to change the menu layout and labels , it only affect gnome-menus. But to change an entry like systemAdministrationPrinting, it affects the concerned application. So it's easier to change the layout than all the entries. wattazoum IMO, this will need much work/testing before it's considered for Ubuntu. (notice there's been no real official interest) So I would create a package named ubuntu-alt-menu (or something) to have people test. Ubuntu Studio has played with the SoundVideo menu to create 2 sub-menus. Maybe what we've done can be used as an example for you. https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Dear gnome developers and Users, We are having on ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list a discussion about refactoring the gnome menu layout. To have more information on the subject of this discussion, please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/174277 So I the point is, I like the idea below. Removing the *Preferences* and *Adminstration* menu and replacing them with a single menu *Configuration* with a set of submenus. Can you give me your opinion on this ? Best Regards, wattazoum ps: Please keep the others mailing list in copy. If you don't want to subscribe to those list, please look at the video here http://wattazoum.fr/Optimised-usage-of-Ubuntu-mailing.html to use NNTP with gmane. Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Remco wrote: (I could've sworn that I hit Reply to All... oh well, I'm sorry for the double emails to you, Greg. ) I sent the following to Greg an hour ago: I think that a simple renaming or merging isn't going to fix this. The complete configuration system has to be thought out. Someone configuring his computer doesn't want to choose between 30 items in each list. But he doesn't want to choose between 30 items in one list either. He just wants to configure his: * Personal Info - timezone, language, About Me * Display - resolution, appearance, screensaver, power saving, etc * Sound - which system, which sounds, recording * Input - mouse, keyboard, joystick, head tracker, whatever * Printers - anything and everything * Peripheral Devices - iPod, Zune, PalmOS, syncing, etc * Network Connectivity - IR, Bluetooth, Wifi, Ethernet, Proxy, samba, nfs * Security - Users/Groups, Keyring, Firewall, Anti-virus Any information, like System Monitor, Hardware Information and System Log, should move outside the options menus. You're not changing any settings with those. Package Management doesn't need to be there either. It has a nice icon under the Applications menu. An advanced button will suffice for that. It's not really a setting anyway, so it shouldn't be where it is now. Maybe another configuration applet is needed: Storage. With things like indexing, backups, restore points, partition management and maybe even defragmentation. But Ubuntu is lacking a bit with backups, restore points and defragmentation. (hoping not to start a defragmentation on linux flame war) Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? I found this article to be gold: http://www.ndeschildre.net/2008/03/14/some-thoughts-on-ubuntu-brainstorm (sorry for mailing you again Cory, didn't have the link handy) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? It looks nice. My personal view as a user is that menus are 'slow'. The restructuring ideas you guys suggest will certainly speed things up (navigating your way across menu options), but they will still be slow. I don't use menus. First thing I do after a fresh install is remove the menu applet. I rely solely on semantic search using deskbar. Deskbar is by no means perfect, but it's much faster finding what you need, from launching applications to those obscure configuration tools. It's nice to get the menus 'cleaned up', but if something really needs attention is semantic search across the entire desktop. If well thought and designed, something like deskbar can become really powerful. But since we are talking about menus, wouldn't it be cool if by typing in it starts filtering out irrelevant options ? (with a little text-box, like the one appearing in nautilus for instance). regards, Ioannis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 11:19 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: You'd call it My Diary because you are creating it for yourself. The user doesn't label the Preferences menu for themself—the label is applied by the computer. “My” is only ever used to mean “your” on toys for three-year-olds*, much like how when talking to a small child one refers to things using the name *they* should use to refer to them (for example calling yourself “Mummy” or “Daddy” instead of “me”). Small children aren't clever enough to understand pronouns. (* Windows XP—I know.) Speaking for the user—using “my” as if they'd written it—is disingenuous and/or talks down to the user, so it should be avoided. If we could pull in the the user's actual name in a way that's compatible with a wide variety of cultures, I'd suggest using something like “Preferences for Greg”. If that's not possible, just “Preferences” will do—the word “preference” tends to imply *personal* preference anyway. -- Greg K Nicholson -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ioannis Nousias wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? It looks nice. My personal view as a user is that menus are 'slow'. The restructuring ideas you guys suggest will certainly speed things up (navigating your way across menu options), but they will still be slow. I don't use menus. First thing I do after a fresh install is remove the menu applet. I rely solely on semantic search using deskbar. Deskbar is by no means perfect, but it's much faster finding what you need, from launching applications to those obscure configuration tools. It's nice to get the menus 'cleaned up', but if something really needs attention is semantic search across the entire desktop. If well thought and designed, something like deskbar can become really powerful. But since we are talking about menus, wouldn't it be cool if by typing in it starts filtering out irrelevant options ? (with a little text-box, like the one appearing in nautilus for instance). regards, Ioannis It is true that it is faster to launch the application via Deskbar, but to launch it , you need to know exactly what you want to launch. and that's why you have a menu (which needs to be well designed) so that it drives the user to the application he wants. Then once you have seen the name of the menu entry or of the application, you can use Deskbar . The KDE4 menu is, I must admit, very well designed as it combines a Deskbar with a well organized menu. A future project could be to use the same model for gnome. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Ioannis Nousias wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? It looks nice. My personal view as a user is that menus are 'slow'. The restructuring ideas you guys suggest will certainly speed things up (navigating your way across menu options), but they will still be slow. I don't use menus. First thing I do after a fresh install is remove the menu applet. I rely solely on semantic search using deskbar. Deskbar is by no means perfect, but it's much faster finding what you need, from launching applications to those obscure configuration tools. It's nice to get the menus 'cleaned up', but if something really needs attention is semantic search across the entire desktop. If well thought and designed, something like deskbar can become really powerful. But since we are talking about menus, wouldn't it be cool if by typing in it starts filtering out irrelevant options ? (with a little text-box, like the one appearing in nautilus for instance). regards, Ioannis It is true that it is faster to launch the application via Deskbar, but to launch it , you need to know exactly what you want to launch. and that's why you have a menu (which needs to be well designed) so that it drives the user to the application he wants. Then once you have seen the name of the menu entry or of the application, you can use Deskbar . The KDE4 menu is, I must admit, very well designed as it combines a Deskbar with a well organized menu. A future project could be to use the same model for gnome. On the contrary. Semantic search (and I emphasise the 'semantic' part here) abstracts you from names one might have chosen for an application or option. Again, I'm not implying that semantic search works perfectly in deskbar (in some case it works well). For instance I want to rotate my screen. I should be able to type 'rotate' and greeted with options that can do such an action (hopefully one of them will be the xrandr gui or something like that)*. Continue typing 'screen' or 'display' should further narrow down the options. regards, Ioannis *mind you, this example in deskbar returns 'eog' (thus giving the option to rotate a photo), but not the settings for rotating your screen, which is a shame. We really need powerful semantic search. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
