Re: make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible
I think what he means is adding a page that is easily accessible to you know .. the average guys. These are not on any of the offical pages. Would be nice (and probably more environmental friendly) if more users knew that you could use a USB key to install. I personally took the time to do it this last week. Using the iso2usb scrip written by Julian Klode (he posted it to the list). It worked great and was easy to use. The thing is while it worked perfect on my Thinkpad T61. I had issue getting my older machine with an Abit AV8 motherboard to boot from USB disk (apparently it can only do usb floppy cdrom). So I had to go ahead and burn a CD with the latest build on friday (which should be RC1). Anyway I think if more users had the option presented to them like downloading the iso options are presented you would begin to see more people using USB sticks .. then burning CDs. On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/04/08 02:06, Alexander van Loon wrote: To make a long story short, please read my weblog post: http://alexandervanloon.nl/english/?p=8 Summary: Please make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible. Currently the download page - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=desktop-newestarch=i386mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fftp.snt.utwente.nl%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fubuntu-releases%2Fdebug=download-button= - already contains links to pages on help.ubuntu.com explaining how to check MD5 sums and how to burn the ISO image to the CD. Please write a similar page for help.ubuntu.com with easy instructions for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive, and link to that page from the download page. For writing these easy instructions, please take a look at this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - and copy only the easy method of doing it with the script, and these - http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/04/09/usb-ubuntu-804-installation-from-windows/ - very easy instructions for doing the same on Windows. I'm willing to help with writing that page with instructions, if it will be linked to from the download page. Without wanting to be to blunt and given that there is nothing wrong with your keyboard - witness your post to the list - why not add a page to the wiki yourself. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06 - E115°50'39 (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible
On 20/04/08 15:36, Jerone Young wrote: I think what he means is adding a page that is easily accessible to you know .. the average guys. These are not on any of the offical pages. Would be nice (and probably more environmental friendly) if more users knew that you could use a USB key to install. After hitting send I realised that my contribution to the list and Alexander's request was not as constructive as it could have been. For that I apologise. Your follow-up email offers me the opportunity to remedy that. The first step to an official page is to create an unofficial page. I should also point out that the gap between official and unofficial is almost arbitrary in the age of integrated search engines. If you present a page that contains a well documented and thoughtful process, that is peer reviewed, that contains test cases and follows documentation standards, then your unofficial page will be of a similar reach and utility to your intended audience. Perhaps you and Alexander should join forces and create a page documenting the process on the wiki. Once the document has been drafted and once you've had a few people test it and comment on it, you might present the completed page here and ask the question again. I suspect a more fruitful path is that you might discuss your drafted page with the documentation team. It may well be that your page grows and becomes part of the official documentation, or it may just retain its unofficial status - this really should be of limited concern in my opinion. Once a process is documented it becomes available to the wider community and that should in my opinion be what drives your contribution. A USB flash installation may be vital for you, perhaps it's even vital to others, but unless it's documented, it doesn't exist. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06 - E115°50'39 (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible
Alexander van Loon schrieb: Please make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible. I agree that this is important. Installation from USB pen drives has been a curiously neglected installation method, given that it doesn't require a blank cd, or an optical drive (think small notebooks). There is a nasty bug in gutsy that causes the installer (ubiquity) to leave bogus lines in /etc/fstab. The installer evidently thinks that it's installing from a regular CD drive, and adds a line containing the USB disk's device (say, sdc) and the specified file system iso9660 to the fstab. If you subsequently plug in a pen drive, GNOME mount tells you that there is an invalid mount option, as the cdrom mount options don't fit together with mounting a usb stick. Forums are teeming with reports of this bug. I couldn't find out if this is still present in hardy. This report seems similar, and it hasn't received much attention: https://launchpad.net/bugs/150872 Thanks, Paulus -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible
The page is right here. It just needs to be linked to on the main download page so users know it exists. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 15:55 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: On 20/04/08 15:36, Jerone Young wrote: I think what he means is adding a page that is easily accessible to you know .. the average guys. These are not on any of the offical pages. Would be nice (and probably more environmental friendly) if more users knew that you could use a USB key to install. After hitting send I realised that my contribution to the list and Alexander's request was not as constructive as it could have been. For that I apologise. Your follow-up email offers me the opportunity to remedy that. The first step to an official page is to create an unofficial page. I should also point out that the gap between official and unofficial is almost arbitrary in the age of integrated search engines. If you present a page that contains a well documented and thoughtful process, that is peer reviewed, that contains test cases and follows documentation standards, then your unofficial page will be of a similar reach and utility to your intended audience. Perhaps you and Alexander should join forces and create a page documenting the process on the wiki. Once the document has been drafted and once you've had a few people test it and comment on it, you might present the completed page here and ask the question again. I suspect a more fruitful path is that you might discuss your drafted page with the documentation team. It may well be that your page grows and becomes part of the official documentation, or it may just retain its unofficial status - this really should be of limited concern in my opinion. Once a process is documented it becomes available to the wider community and that should in my opinion be what drives your contribution. A USB flash installation may be vital for you, perhaps it's even vital to others, but unless it's documented, it doesn't exist. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06 - E115°50'39 (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Hardy abnormal disk use on battery
Hi all! I noticed that on Hardy, when (and only when) my laptop is on battery, the hard disk makes a sound every second or so, and never stops, even when no application is running but the desktop. atop reports this is pdflush that is writing something to the disk, but I could not identify why. What is strange is that as soon as I plug the power cable, the sound stop (rather illogical, sin't it?). Before reporting a bug I'd like to know if anyone sees this behavior - just unplug the cable and listen! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy abnormal disk use on battery
Hmm..this is a guess...I have a feeling this is the new indexing search (tracker) feature at work (which I personally hate.. but it's a feature somebody is using). In your task bar you should see a magnifying glass (usually orange on the inside). In right click on it to find prefrences. You see a check box to diable or enable preferences. Does it help when that is disabled ? On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Milan Bouchet-Valat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I noticed that on Hardy, when (and only when) my laptop is on battery, the hard disk makes a sound every second or so, and never stops, even when no application is running but the desktop. atop reports this is pdflush that is writing something to the disk, but I could not identify why. What is strange is that as soon as I plug the power cable, the sound stop (rather illogical, sin't it?). Before reporting a bug I'd like to know if anyone sees this behavior - just unplug the cable and listen! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy abnormal disk use on battery
Le dimanche 20 avril 2008 à 15:11 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: Hmm..this is a guess...I have a feeling this is the new indexing search (tracker) feature at work (which I personally hate.. but it's a feature somebody is using). In your task bar you should see a magnifying glass (usually orange on the inside). In right click on it to find prefrences. You see a check box to diable or enable preferences. No, I forgot to mention I already checked it occurred even when trackerd was killed. Actually, it is smarter than you would expect and does not bother you when on battery - very nice tool IMHO. ;-) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: The page is right here. It just needs to be linked to on the main download page so users know it exists. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick Then file a bug about it against ubuntu-website -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy abnormal disk use on battery
Milan Bouchet-Valat pisze: Hi all! I noticed that on Hardy, when (and only when) my laptop is on battery, the hard disk makes a sound every second or so, and never stops, even when no application is running but the desktop. atop reports this is pdflush that is writing something to the disk, but I could not identify why. What is strange is that as soon as I plug the power cable, the sound stop (rather illogical, sin't it?). Before reporting a bug I'd like to know if anyone sees this behavior - just unplug the cable and listen! Do you have laptop mode enabled? My guess is that it might be the (in)famous bug 59695. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy abnormal disk use on battery
Le dimanche 20 avril 2008 à 23:11 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Do you have laptop mode enabled? My guess is that it might be the (in)famous bug 59695. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 No, it's a fresh install without any tweak. But my guess would rather be that the bug I experience may accidentally solve the cycle count issue (bug 59695) since the heads can never park because of the disk activity. This is juyst an idea but may be worth checking. If no confirmation from others comes, though, I'll simply file a bug and investigate. I thought many people could experience the same, since it should not be related to hardware, but for now it's not really the case! Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
