Re: Really miss my panel applets.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Conrad Knauer ath...@gmail.com wrote:
I am starting to get used to the Unity desktop. It's still hard to find some
things that were formerly easy, but I'm getting there.
At this point, the thing I miss the most are my panel applets, one for fun,
three to monitor my computer.
(screen shot of eyes and system monitor applets)
How can I get equivalent functionality back?
I was actually thinking about this the other day; why wasn't Gnome
panel applet support included as part of the transition to Unity?
Something like is currently available for XFCE:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
One of the better suggestions out there is to just run gnome-panel in
addtion to Unity:
http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/get-your-favourite-gnome-panel-applets.html
And considering in Natty that it is on the LiveCD already (can't
remember if it installs both though), this might be a good interim
solution.
BTW, I note on http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2011/02/msg0.html
that Debian was interested in porting the GNOME2 panel applets to
GNOME3
As an aside, does anyone else consider that since Ubuntu is switching
to Unity, we might now want a regular GNOME version? ('Gubuntu' ala
Kubuntu and Xubuntu) Mono-free please though O:)
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Re: Really miss my panel applets.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Vernon Cole vernondc...@gmail.com wrote: I am starting to get used to the Unity desktop. It's still hard to find some things that were formerly easy, but I'm getting there. At this point, the thing I miss the most are my panel applets, one for fun, three to monitor my computer. (screen shot of eyes and system monitor applets) How can I get equivalent functionality back? I was actually thinking about this the other day; why wasn't Gnome panel applet support included as part of the transition to Unity? Something like is currently available for XFCE: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Dump Google?
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Google's archiving all searches isn't the only reason to dump it. If you are willing to use a search engine that censors web sites at China's whim go right ahead. Google puts their profit ahead of their stated support of the free flow of information. Only the lazy or those who are uninformed or lack principals use Googleand yes, I do use another search engine. Wow you really don't pay any attention to reality do you? Google did it's best NOT to bend to China. But in order to maintain any official presence at all in China they had to make available a Chinese censorship approved version of Google search. They did their best to legally maintain the full search view for China. Up until the time the PRC threatened not to renew their license. Then they dropped their pants and bent over. Actually, no they didn't. They said screw it, and left. The remaining .cn is all in .com.hk, which has different laws. Running a search on google + remains + china turned up some sites (one dated Thursday July 1, 2010) saying they are still there but pointing out that the link to the HK site exists. Also, an Inquirer site says However, while not quite toeing the red party line, Schmidt continued, We continue to follow their laws, we continue to offer censored results but at a reasonable short time from now we'll be making some changes there. He added, We'd like to do that on somewhat different terms than we have but we remain quite committed to being there. This is dated Fri Jan 22 2010 and I'm well aware that things could have changed drastically since then. Like I said, I stand by my statement. Please see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html?_r=2partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=all from today which describes a well-known evil corporation (you-know-who) and makes mention of Google in China: In China, Microsoft has complied with censorship rules in operating its Web search service, preventing Chinese users from easily accessing banned information. Its archrival Google stopped following censorship regulations there, and scaled back its operations inside China’s Internet firewall. You might also find this interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_flower_tribute CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Desktop CDs: Around 60 MB saved on the installed system, 28 MB in binary packages
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Till Kamppeter till.kamppe...@gmail.com wrote: And I have freed another 2.3 MB (60 KB of .debs) in the installed system, by applying the PPD compression to splix. /usr/share/ppd is below 1 MB now. You, sir, win one internets! :D http://www.flickr.com/photos/goopymart/3125898045/in/set-72157594362502502/ CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Rethinking Ubuntu's Repositories
://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop maverick universe ? Sincerely, Conrad Knauer -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LiveCD optimisations
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Louis Simard louis.sim...@gmail.com wrote: Optimising the PNG images saves 5.5 MB on the filesystem.squashfs. Optimising the SVG files saves an additional 7 MB. This is a total of 12.5 MB which could be used to pack more software or another language pack or two onto the LiveCD. Speaking of saving space on the LiveCD, I note on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/see-ya-f-spot-shotwell-comes-to-ubuntu.html that F-Spot is supposed to be bumped (in favor of Shotwell) for Maverick. Does this mean that we can finally remove Mono now too? (Tomboy can be replaced with Gnote; gBrainy can be replaced with some other game... it's not like there aren't lots to pick from :) Anyone have an estimate of how much space would be saved by doing that? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LiveCD optimisations
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@ubuntu.com wrote: Tomboy can be replaced with Gnote Gnote is abandoned by the author On what basis do you claim this? Lucid uses 0.6.2 according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnote I note the following release dates according to the files in http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnote/ gnote-0.6.3 28-Nov-2009 gnote-0.6.4 22-Mar-2010 gnote-0.7.0 31-Dec-2009 gnote-0.7.1 04-Jan-2010 gnote-0.7.2 12-Mar-2010 Debian is up to 0.7.1 as per http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnote and has less functionality then Tomboy (less plugins, no ubuntuone integration etc.) Please see http://www.stefanoforenza.com/getting-gnote-facts-straight/ CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'
I just read the article The Un-Scary Screwdriver on http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver (via http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php) and the first part jumped out at me: --- One early spring day as we were walking home from the bakery on the corner, we passed by a neighbor and struck up a conversation. He complained about his desktop being constantly attacked by viruses. We suggested Ubuntu. A professional man in his 50s, he said he wanted to try installing a Linux distribution on his desktop but that, “it looks too complicated. I probably couldn’t install Ubuntu. I don’t want the hassle.” My little five year old daughter had been snuggled in my arms while I was talking to this neighbor. She had been listening closely. When we got home, she said, “Mom, I can install Ubuntu. I bet I can. Can I try? Can I try?” As a mother who wants to foster her children’s interests in all things technical and scientific, I dropped the loaf of french bread and turned on a nearby desktop. I did a quick back-up and wiped the system. I handed my daughter Anna an install CD and said, “Here you go.” Then I walked away. From the kitchen, I watched the install unfold. She insert the CD. She read what she could on-screen and pressed Enter a lot. When she couldn’t read something, she called her brother who was only one year older, but who could read a few more words than she could. She yelled, “Jake! Come here and tell me what this says!” Together they figured out, “Hey, if you just press Enter, it usually works out fine.” With a little bit of help from her six year old brother, Anna successfully installed Ubuntu on a desktop. When she was done, I came in and asked, while trying to squelch my pride, “So, sweetie, how did it go?” Anna’s reply, “Easy baceasy! That old foggy is just being silly. I can install Ubuntu, so he can install it too.” --- Specifically the part where the five and six year olds (!!!) say: if you just press Enter, it usually works out fine This implies to me that most of the install options in the Live CD should be hidden by default (e.g. by triangles like the command line output is hidden in Synaptic by default, or some other way... tabs? A menu like in the Netbook Remix?) and that as soon as Install is run there can be a button to push to immediately install (e.g. in OEM mode) if the user makes no changes. The user has already picked a language when they started the Live CD, so that's one thing they picked that they can change if they want, but most won't change. If the user is connected to the internet, might it be possible to guess their physical location (e.g. for time zone) by IP address? (http://www.tracemyip.org/ seems to be able to :) as most people will want to install their systems where they are going to use them. For the partitioning step, if there is another OS present, the default option should be to install along side it; if none, use the whole disk. Partitioning is always a scary step, so that should be generally hidden. A look at the pics on http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2009/10/02/ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-beta-reviewed-screenshots/ suggests: Step 5 (user name, password, computer name) should be the first step and really the only things that a user should need to fill in... unless there's already an OS on the system that Ubuntu can extract a u/n from :) The bottom of the page should then have a [Review and Install] button leading to what is now Step 6 which will spell out the changes and then an [Install] button at the bottom of that. Thoughts? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: software sources utility: no simple way to add signing key
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, yurik 81 yuri...@gmail.com wrote: Is there simple way to do this job without using terminal or download key in browser and then open it? I mean directly paste signing key's link or fingerprint (launchpad) to software sources dialog. There is a GUI utility in the repos called gui-apt-key that works, but has some issues (e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-apt-key/+bug/282185) I can only seem to get it working properly from Terminal with sudo... and then not all of the time. Definitely a package that needs some TLC. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: idea for 10.04
(Only replying on ubuntu-devel-discuss + e-mail) On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: give the users at some point during the installation process options of what office suite browser and mail client they would like installed. the list of options will include the defaults of the respective desktops environments as well as alternative options. if you could provide feed back as to if this is a good idea, and if so how can i begin working on implementing it on lucid. Short answer: this is a bad idea. Longer answer: the whole point of an Ubuntu install is to keep it as simple as possible with sane defaults; next people will say 'but why not have choices for web browsers then?' and others will want media player options and others will want game choice options and etc etc etc. You are trying to please everybody (e.g. note http://www.lifeoptimizer.org/2007/11/28/avoiding-failure-7-tips-not-to-try-to-please-everybody/) but in the process the install will become much more of a chore, especially for people (I suspect a significant majority) who would just pick the defaults anyway. Constructive criticism: a much better idea would be for users to choose to run this *after* an install; much like the current software center (formerly software store) in Karmic except narrowed down to just a few categories (e.g. office suite browser and mail client as you suggested and maybe a few others, as I mentioned) which would be of most interest to people (I would recommend limiting the categories, otherwise you're just duplicating what's already available in Add/Remove...). Be sure to make it very informative (text + screenshots would be nice) so that users who don't know much about the alternatives understand the differences. Sincerely, Conrad Knauer -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Huge instability and insanely large memory footprint in 9.04
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote: You don't have enough RAM. 1 GB is pretty low by today's standards. You may be happier with xubuntu on a lower spec machine, but as you've got a fast CPU then you should get more RAM as it is a clear bottleneck. 1 GB may be less by today's standards but not everyone is using a machine bought today. Most are running a machine bought before 6 months or an year or even before that. And actually most netbooks come with 1 GB standard right now. I've refurbished old machines and only 512 MB RAM will run Ubuntu quite happily. And 1 GB is no way insufficient for the applications that user is running. There is something else wrong on his machine. I'm going to guess, without seeing his machine, that it's something with Firefox... it could be a malfunctioning extension, it could be some script on an otherwise normal page... I would try backing up my ~/.mozilla folder and seeing if running FF fresh solves the problem. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: rt2870sta versus rt2800
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Paul S paula...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like linus has committed changes in the wifi ralink driver in the final release of 2.6.31. But, karmic's kernel still includes the binary built rt2870sta (and rt2860sta). I have the hardware and would like to test this new code. Do the kernel dev's know about the change or do I need to submit a wish bug or something to get it on the list. Just curious; I bought a cheapie USB wireless network adapter; lsusb says it's: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. lshw says: wireless=RT2870 Wireless It doesn't seem to connect to my router properly in Jaunty or Karmic (though my Acer Aspire One netbook does no problem) Do you think it's going to end up working out-of-the-box in Karmic or should I return it? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time
My troll-detection senses are tingling on this, but in case you are just frustrated user, let me reply... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Jonathan Taylorgring...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu may be a very nice OS, but until the average person can use it, it will not amount to much. The most difficult thing for 'average users' to pick up on when learning how to use computers is the mouse (seriously; as in, holding it steady when clicking). Ubuntu is all about pointing and clicking; my 4 1/2 year old has been using it since well before she started preschool. My neighbor, a lady around retirement age, has been using Ubuntu for a couple years now. In terms of using Ubuntu, the average person can easily. Using Ubuntu is like buying a half built car. Then you have to guess at how to build the other half. Assuming that your hardware is supported by free (libre) drivers, Ubuntu should 'just work'. You should not have to 'build' (compile) anything yourself unless you *want* to... All documentation is useless to beginners ??? And have you visited the forums? and you can't even install most things without using the terminal. ??? Click Add/Remove... So, why is it sooo much easier to install things in Windows and Mac? ??? DEB files are exceptionally easy to install and if you're installing them from a repository, its easier than Win or Mac. You'll never be more than a curiosity until this is fixed. Could you provide us with the specific trouble you were having, rather than making false generalizations? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The awesome software sources adding feature
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Vincenzo Cianciacian...@di.unipi.it wrote: That was awesome. Why haven't I seen the functionality used before? Install directions with repositories involved look completely hostile right now, but this resolves the issue perfectly. The functionality of saving the apt sources and of saving the full package selection from synaptic should be merged: it takes a very small effort to clone an ubuntu system that way. Are there hurdles that I don't see? Speaking of things that should be in Synaptic, the functionality of gui-apt-key springs to mind; rather than importing key files, we should just be able to look them up or type in the number, e.g. if you wanted to add the Wine HQ repository, when adding the apt line: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ jaunty main that there could be a spot to add the key (387EE263) or better yet have it automatically extracted from the repo with some confirmation that it is the key for Scott Ritchie, do you want to add it? CK (who was highly annoyed to discover that the official Miro repository is unsigned ): -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Tahoma (or, Does anyone have a copy of Microsoft Office 97 Developer Edition?)
I think I've found a solution to the Tahoma Bold font not being generally redistributable for the msttcorefonts package. As I wrote on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/50529 --- I discovered something interesting that I thought I should contact you about: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/169813/EN-US/ Microsoft Office 97 Developer Edition includes a Setup Wizard that you can use to create a Setup program that users can run to install files for a custom application. [...] The files available for distribution allow you to distribute an application developed using Microsoft Access to users who do not have Microsoft Access. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/163535/en-us a list of the files that you can redistribute with a run-time application which you create using the Microsoft Office 97 Developer Edition Tools [...] TAHOMA.TTF TAHOMABD.TTF Does that mean what I think it does? :-) --- Does anyone on this list happen to have a copy of Microsoft Office 97 Developer Edition to test that out with? :) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tahoma (or, Does anyone have a copy of Microsoft Office 97 Developer Edition?)
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Remco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does the Wine project not already provide a Tahoma replacement? Maybe efforts could be spent on improving quality of that font instead, if necessary. Oh, I'm not saying that a libre replacement wouldn't be vastly preferable, I'm just pointing out that I think I've found a way to work-around a bug that's been causing grief for quite a few people (and in a way that people who aren't necessarily font developers can help :) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?
I was reading /. and they have an article up about QGtkStyle http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based desktops like Gnome or Xfce. Instead of simply imitating Gtk styles QGtkStyle uses the Gtk theme engine directly. The project is still considered experimental, but is another step into better integration between Qt and Gtk applications. And it reminded me of something that I had been thinking about in the past; Ubuntu is GNOME-based, but does not always default to GNOME's app selections (e.g. Firefox, GIMP and OpenOffice.org as I recall). Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such) could seamlessly integrate them visually, I don't see why (beyond LiveCD size restrictions) that this wouldn't be a good idea... Anyway, just thought I'd mention the idea to see what people think. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: I would just like to say...
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Robert Azinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know where to send a post like this so I hope this one email will find its way in the sea of posts out there. [snip; full text at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-May/004196.html] I have dutifully forwarded it on to Bug #1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 Glad to hear that *buntu helped make someone's life a little easier :-) Sincerely, Conrad Knauer (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Printing does not work in 8.04
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Milosz Derezynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the Live CD the printer was basically immediately usable. I've been running this system as Gutsy before, and updated to Hardy in a very early phase (4 Months before the release i think), could some gradual updates caused a misconfiguration of the system? That is entirely possible; consider how libflashsupport became a major headache for early Hardy adopters https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888 mostly because libflashsupport would not automatically be removed by update-manager when it was changed from a dependent package to a recommended package during the Hardy development cycle. The best word to describe such things is cruft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruft) If yes, what in particular could i check for? (I've already tried uninstalling everything cups, manually deleting all directories belonging to it and then reinstalling, to no avail.) Question: if you create a new user and log in as them, can you print? (do you have a ~/.cups directory?) Did you try deleting (or renaming) /var/cache/cups ? Just some ideas... CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Printing does not work in 8.04
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Milosz Derezynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can confirm this problem, morphology is identical to your problem's, the printer is a HP LaserJet 2100 (if matters). FWIW, I just tested my Samsung ML-2510 and had no problems whatsoever; it 'just worked' when I switched it on. Also, http://localhost:631 seems to work just fine. Thomas: out of curiosity, what make/model printer are you using that gave that error? Thomas, Milosz: could you both test with a Hardy Live CD and see if its repeatable there? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SPARC architecture moved to ports.ubuntu.com for 8.04 and beyond
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Michael R. Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A similar reminder goes for PowerPC users, since this architecture was moved to ports.ubuntu.com in a previous Ubuntu release. If you are still using archive.ubuntu.com on a PowerPC system, beware that this is likely to stop working soon and you should migrate to ports.ubuntu.com as above. What should happen to security.ubuntu.com lines? AFAIK, it can also point to ports.ubuntu.com (just like regular x86 users can use archive.ubuntu.com instead of security.ubuntu.com) compare: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/ (or http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Massive breakage on my system with April 1st updates
(sorry; it e-mailed only the first time) On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Christopher Halse Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You manually installed the 2.6.24-13 kernel, right? All I did was press the Reload, Mark all upgrades and Apply buttons in Synaptic. [...] AH!!! I see what happened: I have virtualbox-ose-modules-generic installed, which just upgraded its latest version depends on virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-13-generic which in turn depends on linux-image-2.6.24-13-generic I haven't seen any problems with GNOME theme settings. This may be related, or may be a real bug - it's difficult to tell. I will attempt to revert some of the recent changes to see what might have caused the problem. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
What happened to IcedTea in Hardy?
I installed Hardy about a week ago and installed from Hardy's repos: icedtea-java7-bin (7~b24-1.5+20080118-1) icedtea-java7-jre (7~b24-1.5+20080118-1) icedtea-java7-plugin (7~b24-1.5+20080118-1) But today I noticed that those packages are Not Installable as they have disappeared from the repos... Will they come back? Were they superseded by something else? (openjdk-6-*?) What is the recommended Java plugin for Mozilla now? (icedtea-gcjwebplugin?) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:48 PM, thibaut bethune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). I think this is Bug #23376 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/23376 But its been marked as Invalid. Some reasoning from the comments: --- Phil Housley wrote on 2006-03-01: (permalink) As far as I can remember the reasons for nm-applet not being an applet: * It has to appear as needed, which an applet can't. * The notification area is the only place really shared between DEs. Back at the time, there were GNOME 3.0 type discussions about this, but no real answers, so it had to be a notification area dealie. --- CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Got Hardy? With Sound?
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Scott (angrykeyboarder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been unsuccessful in getting sound working, despite lots of tweaking. [...] are you running Hardy and otherwise getting sound? I've been running Hardy for about 3 weeks now and I've *never* had sound of any kind. I have had sound, no problem, on my main computer; but do note that I have only been running Hardy for about a week on it. I vaguely recall having an audio problem with Hardy a while back with an old notebook that I was testing until I did a clean install from a newer source. So... I would recommend downloading the beta Live CD (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta) and testing it to see if IT has sound; if so, then just reinstall :) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: How to include a part of Wine ... why include wine at all?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Joe Terranova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An option would be to perhaps have two versions in the repo. wine-stable -- the version synced during feature freeze, that Ubuntu supports (sort of) wine-latest -- the latest version, synced regularly from the Wine repo. MOTU's don't support it, they just update it. Then a virtual package wine, which is implemented by both. Thoughts? Why not just take advantage of the *-updates (supported iiRC) or *-backports (unsupported iiRC) repository infrastructure that already exists? The packages that require the most frequent updating should be identified (e.g. the ones you mentioned: Tor, Tremulous, Warsow, Firefox, Wine, etc.) and then flagged for frequent updates. PS: I use the Wine repo too. But after the latest update, running wine turns my screen black, and I don't know what to do about it. Have you tried... deleting your Wine folder (~/.wine) and starting fresh? running winecfg and under the Graphics tab, checking Emulate a virtual desktop? (I suggest setting its size smaller than your desktop; e.g. if your monitor runs Ubuntu at 1280x1024, try running Wine at 1024x786) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Feb 9, 2008 4:29 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. Out of curiosity, what version are you using? (0.9.8 from gutsy or the current 1.1.2 from Miro's repository) Other people mentioned that its a bit of a resource hog (Vadim Peretokin wrote: it was barely working on my 1.5Ghz, 512ram laptop) what kind of system do you have? And, generally speaking, what's the 'average computer' Ubuntu is targeting? The System Requirements listed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements must be below what most people use Ubuntu on... CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Feb 9, 2008 12:55 AM, Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It certainly sounds like the sort of 'killer app' that would attract people to Ubuntu. If Miro can't be added to Hardy, would it be possible for Hardy+1? Miro is available in Ubuntu 7.10, and Miro 1.0 is currently in the hardy repositories. Apologies; I meant to ask: 'If Miro can't be added to the default Hardy install (e.g. added to ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for Hardy+1?' CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Alpha 4 freeze ahead
On Feb 4, 2008 5:34 PM, Bryan Quigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not include [Firefox 3 Beta] by default early on to get more testing? Indeed +1 Or not Many addons are still not compatible So? This would help bring the ones included in Ubuntu that aren't compatable up to the light. Plus, these are development builds. Things are allowed to break. Also:http://www.oxymoronical.com/web/firefox/nightly +1 since https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4 states in BOLD text: This is still an alpha release. Do not install it on production machines. The final stable version will be released in April 2008. Pretty much by definition, FF3Beta is more stable than an Ubuntu alpha :) (and we're not talking 'Microsoft Beta' here ;) Why force users/testers to manually install and make FF 2.0 the default browser? [piggybacking] See above Ubuntu wiki URL regarding Hardy *alpha* users. One is either *testing* Hardy, masochistic or foolish (or some combination thereof ;) Regarding testers, 'Why force testers to manually install and make FF 3.0 the default browser?' Also, consider the Firefox release cycle; they discontinue support for major versions six months after the release of a new major version. Hardy will be supported for three years. FF3 basically must be the default browser to avoid (as much as possible) the unhappy situation where Ubuntu is doing the security for Firefox instead of Mozilla (consider Dapper still supports 1.5 even though Mozilla pulled support for it in June 2007), so the more testing that can be done, the better. Six months from now would be until Aug. 2008; that's basically only as long as we can guarantee that Mozilla will take care of FF2. Likely the release will be soon, so I'm guessing that FF2 won't be supported past the end of the year. Also, even if FF3 isn't *quite* released in time for Hardy (though I'm fairly certain it will), I think that it should still be made the default and updated when FF3 becomes available (consider that Warty shipped with a pre-1.0 version and updated after the fact). As I recall, there was talk that the LTS release won't be Hardy per se, but a point release shortly after that (e.g. 8.04.1?) where the big wrinkles get ironed out. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Switcher (Alt-Tab) Jumble in compizconfig-settings-manager
On Dec 25, 2007 8:25 AM, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was finally poking around in ccsm in Gutsy and I note that the functionality traditionally provided by alt-tab is available via several different plugins under Window Management: Application Switcher (more-or-less the traditional alt-tab in a little bar across the screen) Ring Switcher (icons on an invisible wheel) Shift Switcher (two modes: Cover, the Mac-ish one; and Flip, the Vista-ish one ;) It would seem to make more sense to have all four of those as options from a single 'Switcher' plugin, or maybe via some simplified frontend (with option to go 'Advanced' to the current setup?) Seems that such a program already exists in the form of simple-ccsm http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/x11/simple-ccsm http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~marex/2008/01/12/hello-1984-ehh-i-mean-2008/ :) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Hardy+1 Idea: GoboLinux Filesystem Hierarchy?
Hardy, being a LTS release, will have an emphasis on stability and polish; but I was thinking for Hardy+1 that, like replacing SysVInit in Edgy with Upstart, some new ideas to kick around might be nice. So a suggetion: what about the GoboLinux filesystem hierarchy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobolinux http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance It claims to be modular, logical, and transparently retain[s] compatibility with the Unix legacy, without any rocket science to this ;) Sounds like fun; what say you? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy+1 Idea: GoboLinux Filesystem Hierarchy?
On Jan 9, 2008 5:15 AM, Guilherme Augusto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance What would improve by using Gobolinux filesystem hierarchy? A little over a year ago SABDFL blogged on http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/66 --- A long, long time ago, packaging was an exciting idea. [...] Today, these differences are just a hindrance. The fact that there are so many divergent packaging systems in the free software world (and I include the various *bsd's) is a waste of time and energy. [...] I'd like to see us define distribution-neutral packaging that suits both the source-heads and the distro-heads. --- The GLFH sounds like a good way to create a standard package format that can be easily layered over any *nix OS... On the other hand, if someone already uses Linux, he probably got used with the normal filesystem hierarchy. If it is someone's first time, wouldn't it be confused to have a filesystem in a way and every Forum, HOWTO and other help docs over the net telling how to do things with another filesystem hierarchy? the Unix paths [...] are actually there, but they are concealed from view using the GoboHide kernel extension. This is for aesthetic purposes only and purely optional IOW, the old way of doing things should still work. Also, just as an aside, I find that if I need Ubuntu help, searching for '[my problem] Linux' isn't nearly as helpful as '[my problem] Ubuntu'. People will adapt, just as someone moving from KDE to Gnome will adapt to the different apps and controls. I don't think the GLFH should be rejected (just) because its different; there would never be any progress if we do that ;) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Switcher (Alt-Tab) Jumble in compizconfig-settings-manager
On Dec 25, 2007 8:29 AM, Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was finally poking around in ccsm in Gutsy and I note that the functionality traditionally provided by alt-tab is available via several different plugins under Window Management: Application Switcher (more-or-less the traditional alt-tab in a little bar across the screen) Ring Switcher (icons on an invisible wheel) Shift Switcher (two modes: Cover, the Mac-ish one; and Flip, the Vista-ish one ;) It would seem to make more sense to have all four of those as options from a single 'Switcher' plugin, or maybe via some simplified frontend (with option to go 'Advanced' to the current setup?) Thoughts? Sounds good. I look forward to reviewing your patch. heh Perhaps you misunderstood; I was suggesting an idea, not saying that I knew how to implement it or even where to start (I would describe myself as an advanced user, not a developer... in fact I'm not even sure exactly where Compiz stores its local settings!) One of the things that I've noticed BTW is that in ccsm, in Actions - Key bindings for Ring Switcher, I can't seem to change Next Window from Super+Tab to Alt+Tab (note in Application Switcher, Next window and Prev window are blue). CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Switcher (Alt-Tab) Jumble in compizconfig-settings-manager
I was finally poking around in ccsm in Gutsy and I note that the functionality traditionally provided by alt-tab is available via several different plugins under Window Management: Application Switcher (more-or-less the traditional alt-tab in a little bar across the screen) Ring Switcher (icons on an invisible wheel) Shift Switcher (two modes: Cover, the Mac-ish one; and Flip, the Vista-ish one ;) It would seem to make more sense to have all four of those as options from a single 'Switcher' plugin, or maybe via some simplified frontend (with option to go 'Advanced' to the current setup?) Thoughts? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu Studio packages good enough for Ubuntu?
I was testing apps from the various ubuntustudio packages and I came to the conclusion that even if Live CD space wasn't too big a problem (I was excluding packages with a JACK requirement but including those with just a libqt* dependency), most wouldn't be up to Ubuntu's default install standards. However some little ones that I had tried before and liked: agave gtick gnome-specimen and some that have gotten positive mentions here before: scribus inkscape Now, of the remainder, I was wondering if any of you would include apps from the following nine; I get the feeling they each either fits a niche that's too small to justify their general inclusion, or have a GUI that's too different, or are generally too difficult to use, etc.: kino hugin beast blender fontforge stopmotion hydrogen denemo pitivi Though I thought hugin and stopmotion were probably the two closest to meriting inclusion, though still perhaps overly specialty apps; thoughts? Also, of course, if you would include any from ubuntustudio* that I didn't list? :) Finally, a brief question about a package that isn't part of ubuntustudio* but has the look of one that should be: xaralx Did they ever solve the GPL issue with cdraw? http://www.linux.com/articles/59160 CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New Programs for Hardy?
On Dec 13, 2007 2:36 AM, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the 32-bit CDs, let's have a fully functional install on a single CD. We can freeze the apps at roughly the current set and any new ones can be put in an 'ubuntu-extras' metapackage. 32-bit users can install the package (by themselves or by prompt at installation if they have a working network connection), but 64-bit users will have it installed by default from the DVD. This will allow a nice progression from XP-era 32-bit processor computers to a new 64-bit era (which hopefully will be software libre based :) Ubuntu development won't be constrained to 700 MB and we can have lots of 'WinFOSS' on the DVDs. Alternate package name suggestions: rename ubuntu-desktop to ubuntu-desktop-base or some such and be a dependency of 'ubuntu-extras' which could be called ubuntu-desktop-full or some such. 32-bit users who want the full install on a single disk could of course download a 32-bit DVD as is now being produced. Network bandwidth should become less of an issue as time goes on, so installing ubuntu-desktop-full + dependencies via net for 32-bit users shouldn't present too big of an issue so long as the devels don't go nuts and try to cram everything into it at once ;) An incremental size increase limit of maybe 300 MB more for the first release under this system and 100 MB per release afterwards should be considered so as to transition a bit and prevent too much bloat... Just think how nice it would be to include things like IcedTea and Miro and a couple dozen other spiffy cool apps as part of a DVD-based 64-bit release and yet know that for the 'long tail' of supportable hardware that the famous 32-bit CD will be there if needed. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Hmm... this ended up in sounder; should be in ubuntu-devel-discuss too. CK On Nov 28, 2007 4:49 AM, Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are always looking for more ways to reduce CD size so that we can fit more things on the CD [...] There are various other targets of opportunity [...] that we'll be looking into as well. OK, at the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, I note the suggestion on http://lost-midnight.blogspot.com/2007/12/remove-mono-dependancy-from-ubuntu.html --- There has been a wide range of discussion on the subject of Mono and its inclusion in Ubuntu by default. Some people believe that Mono may infringe on Microsoft patents while others believe that it is useful to include. Personally, I have no idea about whether Mono does infringe on Microsoft patents, but I see other reasons why Ubuntu should remove it. Mono by default takes 48MB of space on the CD. The ISO download is 690+ MB. Therefore, it is taking up valuable space that could be used for a whole host of other things. Also, for that 48MB, there are just two applications which use Mono. These are F-spot (photo manager) and Tomboy (note application). Ubuntu also includes two other programs which do a similar job, gThumb (photo manager) and GNOME sticky notes. In my opinion, these two applications function well enough to warrant the removal of Mono dependent programs. --- You might want to fact-check the disk space claim, but if that's the case, its a good point totally irrespective of the 'Java Trap' (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html) type scenarios I've read (http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/mono) about Mono. Sincerely, Conrad Knauer -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Dec 12, 2007 1:37 PM, Joel Bryan Juliano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomboy and F-Spot are two most useful and innovative Linux applications in the desktop, removing them will give non-geeks no reason to switch to Linux. Just an aside, what do you think of Miro? (its got the 'Web 2.0' look and the 1.0 version is ~7MB decompressed; something I'd like to see in the next version of Ubuntu which could easily fit if the WinFOSS is removed, as has also been suggested...) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Dec 12, 2007 2:36 PM, Kevin Fries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any kind of webcam management software, cheese I'll give you Inkscape and webcam, but I think the rest such as addons, vim, irc, gnome partition editor, etc really do need to stay in the repos. I'm going to second cheese; its fun but is still a good UI if you want to take basic pics or vids w/o the silly filters. But there are better places to trim than mono. I personally would like to see more mono apps included by default to encourage Wintel developers to extend their product to the Linux desktop. So going the other way from removing Mono, are there any mono-based libre software apps in the repos you'd like to see moved onto the default desktop? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
On Dec 3, 2007 7:34 AM, Ped [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From forum post I learned the sagem modem *did* work in 5.xx ubuntu (probably 2.4 kernel with eagle-usb driver) right after install, but when I did install 6.10 first time on my PC, it took me 5 days to connect to internet finally. The reason is probably 2.6 kernel no more working with old eagle-usb (so far perfectly understandable), and while the 6.10 (7.04 and 7.10 too) does contain newer ueagle-usb driver, it's not functional! FYI, Ubuntu has always used a 2.6 kernel; note http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Adobe Acrobat Reader Plugin
On Dec 1, 2007 10:55 PM, Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So theoretically, I'd want to nominate mozplugger to be included by default in Hardy (pre-setup with evince and maybe some other if anyone can think of them). What would be nicer would be if there was a dedicated evince plugin ala: mozilla-acroread mozilla-openoffice.org mozilla-mplayer mozilla-plugin-vlc mozilla-plugin-gnash etc. mozplugger seems to be more of a work-around rather than a permanent solution. Perhaps something like this: http://handlet.blogspot.com/2006/07/wsop-first-screen-shot-of-evince_20.html There's also a ref to an Evince mozilla plugin on http://live.gnome.org/MentoredProjects/ CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Adobe Acrobat Reader Plugin
On Dec 2, 2007 9:33 AM, Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel, I personally find it really useful, but I can't speak for everybody. If everyone would please answer this impromptu poll: Do you prefer online pdfs displayed in the browser (acrobat reader style) or launched in a seperate dislpay (current Ubuntu style)? I prefer them in the browser. That's the main reason I install mozilla-acroread :) An anecdote though; years ago my wife used to *hate* having them in the browser (or having them at all)... it turned out it was because her computer was slow and rendering them took a long time (even today though one occasionally comes across large PDFs e.g. http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/city_planning/resources/maps/index_nhoods_map.pdf that render quite slowly :) When she upgraded, she started to realize why some people (e.g. me ;) think they're neat. I think that's why there are Firefox extensions like PDF Download (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636) PDF Download solves the problems everyone has about handling PDF files with Firefox. This extension, every time you click on a link, checks if the target is a pdf file and in this case let you choose what you want to do (open pdf file inside or outside Firefox, download it to the filesystem or view it as HTML). Speaking of, that reminds me of how, long ago, when I used dial-up, I used to turn off automatic image loading in pages to make them faster (and then just enable it as needed). Reflecting on this, it would seem that for me at least, keeping my web browser fast was the primary concern; I could always view documents externally at my leisure. Which brings me to another one of your points... PS having the mozilla-openoffice.org plugin installed by default would be nice as well, assuming that people like inlined stuff like this. While I do rather like ODF format stuff, I find that OO.o is a bit slow on my system and so would prefer them to not render inline right now. I think that (assuming OO.o doesn't get a lot faster any time soon) it will just be a matter of time until I get a system that's fast enough to make having them in the browser acceptable. Then I will install the mozilla-openoffice.org plugin :) Rather than a poll on ubuntu-devel-discuss, maybe try to find out what the average CPU/RAM of Ubuntu users roughly is to see if installing those packages by default makes sense... e.g. no on my daughter's c. Y2K 500 MHz Celeron with 256 MB RAM, but probably on my 1.8 GHz AMD with 1 GB RAM machine :) If they're nicely listed as recommends in ubuntu-desktop (like they did with totem-mozilla), I won't mind uninstalling them if they get in the way. Conrad, a dedicated pdf plugin would be better (mozplugger also provides other plugins for multimedia which are redundant), but I don't know who would write it. The first link you provided is out-of-date, and the second just lists it as a possible idea. If it looks like this is a popular idea, I'll try and contact somebody higher-up. I know, I just wanted to point out that people have been thinking about this in the past; the blog link had a screenshot of a working plugin though; maybe try writing the person for the location of the code? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New Programs for Hardy?
On Nov 14, 2007 3:19 AM, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're at the formative stages of Hardy I thought I'd start a thread about apps which might be good for inclusion in the default Ubuntu setup. I was looking over my notes from the last month and I should have also suggested gui-apt-key or equivalent functionality be added to Synaptic. Removes the need for running novice-unfriendly commands like gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 0C5A2783 gpg --export --armor 0C5A2783 | sudo apt-key add - (0C5A2783 is the Medibuntu key, BTW) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New Programs for Hardy?
On Nov 20, 2007 5:30 PM, Sebastian Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. you wrote a private mail. A! Reply-to strikes again :/ Thanks for letting me know; I will report to the list with your reply. CK Am Dienstag, den 20.11.2007, 16:20 -0600 schrieb Conrad Knauer: Furthermore this should be made obsolete by the third-party-apt spec. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt) Indeed, but will third-party-apt be ready in time for Hardy? Yes. P.S. you wrote a private mail. On Nov 20, 2007 4:20 PM, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 20, 2007 7:24 AM, Sebastian Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're at the formative stages of Hardy I thought I'd start a thread about apps which might be good for inclusion in the default Ubuntu setup. I was looking over my notes from the last month and I should have also suggested gui-apt-key or equivalent functionality be added to Synaptic. Removes the need for running novice-unfriendly commands like gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 0C5A2783 gpg --export --armor 0C5A2783 | sudo apt-key add - Please take a look at the already existing authentication tab of software sources (software-properties-gtk). Unless I am grossly mistaken, that only allows you to import a local key file, hence my suggestion for incorporating gui-apt-key into Synaptic (maybe a Download Key button on that same tab to run gui-apt-key) since gui-apt-key just requires that you just know the key number (a table of such can easily be made and posted somewhere, e.g. in the community documentation pages). Furthermore this should be made obsolete by the third-party-apt spec. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt) Indeed, but will third-party-apt be ready in time for Hardy? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Archive frozen for Gutsy release
On 10/16/07, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty major bug, yet seemingly simple fix, affects a fair number of people. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/127773 Booting 2.6.20-16-generic gives me a regular, working battery. 2.6.22-14-generic is the problem. What's the fix? I'd love to try it out? Based on the comment and the description in the linked bug, it is the linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic package; he is saying that a linux-image-2.6.22-16-generic fixes things. And yet, AFAIK, no such package exists... ??? Yes, I'm confused too. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing
On 9/27/07, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current behavior which draws users away (friends who saw fsck on my laptop called Linux stupid and asked me why I don't just use Windows). As a temporary cosmetic work-around, something like forcing the output into a pseudo-window on the boot screen (so that it doesn't look like the whole thing crashed to command line) might be nice, e.g.: u b u n t u [X][X][ ][ ][ ][ ] |checking files | |=== 21%| CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: CD boot installer for Windows contribution
On 9/7/07, Evan Dandrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wubi, which should be integrated in the LiveCD very soon. By very soon do you by any chance mean for Gutsy? Or will this likely start with the Hardy alphas? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Announcement: One Click Installer
On 8/6/07, Krzysztof Lichota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to share with you the project I have been working for some time now which I think could help solving bug #1. The problem: - Users coming from Windows (and in general beginners) want installation of applications to be as easy as possible. Download, Next, Next, Done kind of experience. Individual DEB files installed with Gdebi provide this sort of thing currently (e.g. try http://www.getdeb.net/) - If you start talking about command line and adding keys, repositories, etc. you have lost them. They will not understand and they will not _want_ to dig into technical details. It sounds like this step should be improved then; maybe a GUI tool to add the most popular repositories? (e.g. I added Kubuntu's kde-latest, Medibuntu, Wine, Miro, Opera, VirtualBox and Google) - There is plenty of packaging formats used on Linux and average users do not want to know the differences between them, they just want to install application. In my experience, almost everything I ever wanted has been available as a DEB. Its only rarely that I can only download a TAR of what I want and rarer still to only find a RPM. For Ubuntu, I think that this isn't a problem... unless a user is still in Windows mindset and wants to run EXEs ;) Then there's Wine (though they will likely soon figure out that DEBs work much better with their system :) Package installation applications (Synaptic, Adept) and apt repositories do not solve the problem for the following reasons: 1. Repositories must be added manually and this exceeds skills of average Windows user. Keys must be added also and repositories updated. Too many steps, too difficult. Solve this! :-) Seriously, this is the problem that needs a good solution. 2. Users are not used to going to package management application to install application. They want to click link on application web page, download, run, Next, Next, etc. Ack! What you are describing, as a general practice rather than as the occasional procedure for a DEB, is a return to the ugly and slow way of doing things that I left far behind in Windows. Please no! Synaptic (and similar, e.g. gnome-app-install) in Ubuntu work so nicely with so little fuss. 3. Package management applications are too bloated with features and contain thousands of applications. Generally speaking, if a program has good defaults, a user won't mess with more advanced features... Synaptic doesn't seem overly complex to me though. Maybe I am just very used to it :) Also, complaining that there are too many apps in Synaptic is like complaining that there are too many books in a library! ;) Wer die Wahl hat, hat die Qual. As they say... Even with categories it is hard to find application that the user needs (think I want a movie player), especially if they do not know name and are presented with 10 applications which they do not know and all do the same or differ in technical details (e.g. uses Xine or uses GStreamer). Do remember that average users will probably NOT install an alternative media player... Though for basic software installation I think a site like http://ubuntuguide.org gives some good tips. Users want to have some context - other users comments, grades, etc. gnome-app-install partially does this (popularity stars). If they really want to research a program, users should look on the forums or do a Google search. Grading apps can be rather subjective, ne? Also, think of how big the comments database for the ~20K Ubuntu packages would be unless you really moderated it... in which case it would look rather like the current description I suspect :) Maybe suggest adding such features to the packages.ubuntu.com website though... 4. Application descriptions are in English (I know about DDTP, but AFAIK it does not work). Many users do not know English and they want information about applications in their language, on native portals with applications (like localized Tucows). [...] http://www.flickr.com/photos/annoiato/275701797/ I would clearly describe that as a bug, yes, but something like DDTP should be the solution. 5. User must know that he is using APT with DEB packages. As there are separate APT repositories for each distribution version and user must also know what distribution he is using which version, choose appropriate repository, etc. This is just an extension of point #1... 6. If user is using some other distribution than Debian-based he is even more in pain, he has to know what package format to use (DEB, RPM, TGZ, Ebuild, ...), what channel (APT, yum, Yast, ZMD, etc.), what distro, which version. Um... how does this affect Ubuntu? I note, later on in your e-mail that you have in mind basically a front-end for just about any package management system. That's one way towards getting a unified Linux package management system, though Mark Shuttleworth comments that so many divergent
Re: Tribe 2 freeze ahead, lets go squash bugs
On 6/22/07, thijs burema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tribe-2 next Thursday! What will the kernel version ? As per http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux gutsy (base): Generic complete Linux kernel. [restricted] 2.6.22.6.5: amd64 i386 So a 2.6.22 kernel. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Default Gnome Menu entries that define the task, but lack the app's name (e.g. Bug #105685)
I was testing Gutsy Tribe 1 in VirtualBox and I was going to file a bug, but its already been described and rejected: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/105685 But in the last comment: naming could be discussed, the bug is not specific to totem though, closing this task, discussion can be moved to ubuntu-devel-discuss list So I'm starting a thread here (did I miss one previously? If so, sorry :) The main point I want to make in this post is that the first comment in the bug report is quite valid: --- Calling Totem simply Movie Player in the GNOME menus makes it more difficult to find for users who have several movie players installed. The word Totem should be added to make it transparent. I understand that Movie Player is present because otherwise newbies wouldn't know what it was, and wouldn't be able to find any movie player. But we don't have CD Extractor or Music Player or Web Browser - we have Sound Juicer CD Extractor, Rhythmbox Music Player and Firefox Web Browser. Doing differently for Totem is inconsistent. --- (I should expand on the more difficult part; Movie Player is just too close to the default entry for mplayer: MPlayer Movie Player which, I might add, sounds a bit redundant ;) For pics, see http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=833slide=20 The counter-argument was that It's coherent with some items like Text Editor http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=833slide=14 I suppose that could itself be countered with a suggestion that a simple Text Editor description is itself lacking; adding the app name would have a beneficial effect of educating the user about what is actually running on their system... though Gedit Text Editor is a bit redundant and Gnome Text Editor would be overkill next to Gnome Calculator, Gnome Character Map, etc. I have to say that its weird to see Tomboy Notes breaking the trend in Accessories though; why not Take Notes (compare with Take Screenshot) or Sticky Notes? Why does Tomboy have a named entry but Totem doesn't? How about the following for a generic rule for the Gnome Menu sections: For default-installed apps, use '[App Name][App Description]' unless its basically only 'Gnome [App Description]' Which would basically (visibly) only change Movie Player - Totem Movie Player in the default setup (thus solving Bug #105685 ;) I note in Gutsy Tribe 1 that when you right-click the Gnome Menu and select Edit Menus that there are three unchecked items in Accessories: Archive Manager, File Browser and Panel. I'm not sure what Panel is doing in there (and since its 'Gnome Panel' it wouldn't change under my rule, so I'll just ignore it), but regarding the other two, since they aren't visible by default, why do they need simplified names? I think following my suggested rule would be better: File-Roller Archive Manager Nautilus File Browser Sincerely, Conrad Knauer -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Call for Release Candidate testing (again)
The directories do appear to contain torrent files: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070415/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070415/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070416/ CK On 4/16/07, DULMANDAKH Sukhbaatar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I download RCs using torrent? -- Regards Dulmandakh -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: OpenOffice.org 2.2 release candidate 2 available for testing
The upgrade from the Feisty packages worked perfectly :) Two things I noticed which are still there though: The splash screen and Help - About still say OpenOffice.org 2.0 (which is https://launchpad.net/bugs/78489 ) The font used in all the menus is fuzzy, making it look like a non-native app (I'm guessing its this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/24004 ) Compare: http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/gedit.png http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/OOoWriter.png CK On 3/1/07, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Packages for OpenOffice.org 2.2 release candidate 2 are available for testing; these are not part of any release, so be prepared for installation glitches and manual downgrades to the version which you can find in feisty. To test these packages (i386, amd64, powerpc), please add the following lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ feisty-ooo/ deb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ feisty-ooo/ Please submit bug reports in the launch bug tracker, but explicitely mention the version you are testing. If you do bug triage on the existing bug reports for OOo, please set the status to Fix committed and mention the version in a comment. upstream changes: http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.2.0rc2.html Thanks, Matthias -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: OpenOffice.org 2.2 release candidate 2 available for testing
On 3/2/07, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The font used in all the menus is fuzzy, making it look like a non-native app (I'm guessing its this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/24004 ) Compare: http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/gedit.png http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/OOoWriter.png For some reason the DejaVu Condensed font is selected; I cannot reproduce that. Could you recheck with a new installation (in a chroot)? Erm... I have no idea how to use chroot ^_-; (I'm really more of an advanced user than a developer :) However, here's how to easily reproduce it on my hardware: - run the Ubuntu Feisty Herd 5 live cd - try OOo 2.1; note the default selected font is DejaVu Sans Condensed - add the OOo 2.2 repo and upgrade OOo packages - try OOo 2.2; note the default selected font is still DejaVu Sans Condensed CK (writing this from the Live CD environment; I'll FTP up a pic in a sec) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [Bug 49221] How to solve it, and why I'm not fixing it.
He's already made a couple of comments on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/49221 but I just linked this thread there so people could see his post. CK On 3/1/07, Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On jeu, 2007-03-01 at 03:54 -0800, Scott Robinson wrote: Launchpad #49221 is a high priority bug caused by the 13_smoother_fading patch. I will describe the cascade of issues that triggers it. Next, I will enumerate some user workarounds. Finally, I will explain why I'm not fixing the issue: Hi, Thank you for your work on that. Could you comment on the launchpad page for bug which is actually the right place to describe what the problem is and to work to fix it? Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Idea: Restricted Formats in Examples?
On 2/24/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the examples folder [...] the multimedia files are all in free formats. I think that it would be a good idea to have examples in a variety of non-free formats too, such as MP3, AAC, WMA etc, so that you can test Ubuntu's ability to play these non-free formats (once you have installed the appropriate gstreamer on xine plugins). [...] What do you guys think of this idea? I think its a bad idea :) The introduction of libgimme will do a lot towards fixing the problem of playing non-free formats and it will do it on an as-needed basis, with the user testing their own files. Also, including non-free-format demo files sends the wrong impression IMHO (e.g. that Ubuntu advocates users saving in them). CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
libgimme and File Roller
It occurs to me now that Feisty has a nice method for autodetecting needed codecs in Totem and offering them to the users to install, that pretty much the same should be done for File Roller (aka Archive Manager) if a user comes across a less common archive (e.g. ACE, ALZ, ARJ, LHZ, RAR, etc.) that's not supported out-of-the-box. CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Herd 3: Crash Report right after Booting Live or Fresh Install
On 2/2/07, Joel Bryan Juliano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herd 3 now includes Python 2.5 (with all the necessary modules), and doing so, removed alot of Python 2.4 modules. And I see that most of the applications are working with 2.5, except that Gnome App Install is the only application that use Python 2.4, which is currently an increment of CD space, which is too bad, because we can't test out one of the most shiningly important and super advance application in this world, the libgimme super automatic codec installer. Oh the humanity! ??? libgimme works in Herd 3 :) I even took screenshots: http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/gimme1a.png http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/gimme1.png http://members.shaw.ca/Limulus/misc/gimme2.png Tested with this file iiRC: http://www.kemado.com/site/downloadaudio.php?artist=thefeverfile=waitingforthecentipede.mp3 CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: flash player 9 -don't include it in Feisty
On 1/19/07, Daniel Robitaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to ask the devels not to include Flash 9 in our repositories... It is too damn buggy, and it's not worth the bad PR Feisty might get with crashing Firefoxes... I have been using Flash 9 for weeks, with the first 2 beta and now the final, with Firefox in Dapper, Edgy, and now Feisty, and I can't remember having one single crash due to flash. And I use it quite regularly (i.e, daily) on various online sites. So I'm not experiencing the type of crashes you are seeing.I wonder what makes some people seeing these crashes, and not others. And being a close source plugin, I suspect we'll never know... I've not had crashes, but on quite a few videos it will hit a point, repeat for a second or two and then jump ahead. Also, processor usage will go way up (I have a P4 2.6 GHz, but its not quite powerful enough apparently ;) and won't always release the CPU fully when done ( and sometimes it will stick at near 100% so I have to restart Firefox to get the temp of my laptop down). Perhaps the crashes he's having are related, but his processor isn't as fast? Still, I'd very much prefer to see Flash 9 stay in Feisty; it will no doubt get better in the coming months as bugs get squashed and there are a LOT of sites that are using Flash 8 these days. If we're going to offer proprietary Flash at all, it would be *worse* press IMHO to consciously choose to have a version that doesn't work on 'big name' (e.g. movie) sites. For the Flash 7 Player he could always add the Edgy multiverse repo and use the one from there... (in Synaptic: Package - Force Version and then Lock Version) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Notifying end-users when support is no more
On 1/1/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, I booted to Windows after 4-5 months. Because of my switch to Linux, I have been behaving like an average Windows user, not going out of my way to protect the OS. A pop up appeared and told me that my AVG free anti-virus 7.1 will not be updated ever again after Jan 15th, and that I should update to 7.5. Without this pop up, however annoying, I would not have known that I will not be getting any security updates. That would leave me vulnerable to everything out there... I think our end-users who do not like to go out of their way to learn about what's going on in the community could really use such a feature. This idea was discussed before, but nothing happened. So I wanted to attract your attention to this issue again. At the least, if it is do-able, for desktop users, you could change the background picture to something that says upgrade because your current version will not get security updates within 1 month or maybe a pop up by update-manager? I suspect that server users are more security-savvy and don't need such intervention. I don't think that a large-window pop-up or changing the background image is the way to go though; why not just a notification area icon like when it informs us that updates are available, with a balloon similar to how it informs us that a restart is required? +1 to that. When you click on the bubble, it should send you to a page telling you about how to upgrade and which version to upgade to (eg stable or LTS). Wouldn't it be better just to have it run update-manager and if they need more info, they can click the help button or maybe offer a 'more info' button? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
