Re: Why and why.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, George Farris farr...@cc.mala.bc.ca wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 20:58 +0200, Remco wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:45, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for years? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss The indicator applet in the long term is trying to eliminate inconsistencies that cause frustration such as George's. I'm not sold on every single aspect of it, but overall, I appreciate their concept. This is an open source ecosystem where new ideas and software should be pushed forward, and may the best win! Ubuntu only has a responsibility to the users to the extent that they'll lose users with bad decisions. George, they don't do a drop-in replacement for notification-indicator applet because the system needs to be user-tested, and phased in to get more applications on board and using it. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of notification area
I'm kind of surprised no API forwarding legacy notification area icons to the 'application indicator' is being discussed. I guess that would defeat the purpose of the app indicator. I hope Ubuntu gets the appindicator code into GNOME asap. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Joao Pinto joao.pi...@getdeb.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: If notification area is going to be removed as mentioned in this post, http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/, how will applications which do not target Ubuntu alone and are not maintained by Ubuntu developers work? For example, Skype currently places its icon on the notification area. There are also a couple of open-source applications (Exaile for example) which use the notification area. Given the fact that these are written for Linux in general and don't target just Ubuntu, why would they adopt the Ubuntu way of placing icons, when it won't work on any other distribution? Because they want the application to be properly integrated with the OS ? Developers don't need to replace the existing notification area code, they just need to add support for the integration menus so that will work where such facility is available. I am not sure there will be enough interest/manpower to extender all the current Ubuntu packages to this, most likely the notification are will be an optional component if you need applications which us it. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Latest Lucid kernel (2.6.32-20) chokes on my hardware
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, First of all, apologies for cross-posting to different lists, I'm just not sure where is the best place to ask this question. I upgraded my laptop to Lucid beta 2 today, in an attempt to test-drive it. It all worked fine until the system updated the kernel from 2.6.32-19 to 2.6.32-20. With *-20, it won't boot anymore. If anybody could give me some pointers so that I can investigate that problem further and file a bug report that is more specific than computer says no, that would be very much appreciated. I'm happy to dive into the bowels of the OS if need be so don't hesitate to make it technical if required. The laptop in question is an IBM ThinkPad T42. The system seems to fail very early in the boot sequence, as if it didn't manage to recognise the disk, which may be part of the problem as I replaced the original HDD with an SSD when I upgraded to Karmic 6 months ago. I also upgraded the BIOS of the machine to its latest version today. I'm not sure whether that can have an impact. Thanks in advance, Bruno Girin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss (Posting to devel-discuss) Did your system work with the newest BIOS /before/ you upgraded to the newest kernel? If not (or if you don't know), I would say the issue is the BIOS, not Ubuntu. I don't know if these particular mailing lists are the most appropriate place for a question like this; just so you know, there are IRC channels and http://ubuntuforums.org for questions like these. Again, this is just my guess. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
I read some comments on this thread, and I feel I must chime in, because I get furious at the anti-GUI people. It's been said before, and I will say it again. Stupid people will do stupid things, one way or another. I do know that often times, with repeatable tasks and with things that can be done step-by-step, a GUI can be useful in keeping the learning curve low. Can a low learning curve make some people think they know what they're doing, when they may not? Yes. Still, you are artificially setting the bar for time and energy spent HIGHER for those of us who could and/or do know the consequences of our actions. Analogies can be made all day. Should we make people code every website from scratch, in pure HTML/CSS/SQL? No, because even though I have done that in the past and could do it again, MVC frameworks take a lot of the cruft out of building sites. How about Joomla? Should we say they shouldn't exist, because it makes it easy for end-users to make simple club websites? No, that's absurd. So should we purposely shun the development of time-saving GUIs for some applications (e.g. Virtual Machine Manager) because some people will find it easier to use than learning 50 different command switches and having to visualize my work myself? NO. Intuitive GUIs that simplify tasks and help users SEE and UNDERSTAND system statistics and procedures are USEFUL and should NOT be thrown away because it might allow unskilled users a false sense of confidence, or that you might be worried your consulting job will be on the line. Any business with concerns for their IT systems will still have experts to manage things. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: If someone wants to make a tool that makes it easier for Windows admins to run Linux servers, I'm sure that would be useful to some. But to claim this as a cure-all for the perceived (but nonexistent) additional complexity is bogus. I salute you, sir, for being humble enough to make this case with your own experience. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Another end-user view of showstoppers etc
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Alex Cockell alcock...@eclipse.co.uk wrote: Hi folks, First of all - I am your putative end-user. I bought my Thinkpad R61i from Linux Emporium with standard 8.04 Desktop preinstalled (off Canonical's repos - not a downstream version like Mint or Dell's own), and only use software out of Canonical's official repos. I'm also going to be VERY nervous when it comes to a major version upgrade, to the point where I might end up buying a new laptop if replacing the OS didn't go swimmingly. In fact, during a phone conversation with LE, they generally recommend clean reinstalls for major OS upgrades. It's therefore obvious that I'm an LTS-LTS user, and would be too scared to step away from that - although some laptops in LE's range have had to have the most recent regular release put on them as earlier versions wouldn't start or notice all the hardware. Ubuntu is becoming more known by the mainstream - we end-users just want machines that *work*. Might some slight changes into how certain enhancements are introduced be an idea? For example - is new hardware support regularly SRU'd back into the current LTS release, after decent QA? Or is it the case that if there was hardware that was newer than the release level (eg if I bought a new lappie and managed to get a restricted level of functionality with Hardy..) I would have to wait a year for a new component to start working? But it's scary to see showstoppers (or what we users would see as showstoppers) going into a Gold release, rather than spinning a revised RC. The last thing Canonical needs is for Karmic to be its KDE 4.0, considering all the bad press that caused. Maybe the idea of the 6-month releases being advertised as major development milestones is one to consider. All I am saying is please don't let Lucid break my machine when I come to upgrade to it around July next year... Just thoughts from one of your user community. Alex Cockell -- Alex Cockell Reading, Berks, UK alcock...@eclipse.co.uk -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss I suggested at least a year ago that modifications be made to the development and maintenance schedule for releases, such as 6 month lifetimes for non-LTS releases, and using LTS-1 releases as the base for LTS instead of syncing with Debian-Unstable. I do truly hope that the next 'new-feature-packed' Ubuntu release is Manic Manatee, as Lucid should be a stabilization period. That said, LTS's do have two beta releases and fewer alphas, which mean longer freeze times and bug fixes instead of frantically uploading the latest daily tar.gz of any given piece of software. In theory. Your point about SRU'ing hardware support to LTS is well taken by me, but I don't understand. Are you implying something is wrong with Karmic, or are you simply stating your dissatisfaction with hardware support in Hardy? -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta
If you've updated ANY of the alphas, you'll have the beta installed. The only thing I can think of that won't get updated is GRUB, depending on what updates they've done there. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Sorry if this is the wrong list to ask this question. If so, can someone please point me to the appropriate list? My question: Can anyone here please advise if karmic Beta is simply a fully updated Alpa 6? Answering yes will avoid added server/mirror downloads from users/testers that already have Alpa 6 (fully updated) I can post that information on the Ubuntu users list accordingly. Answering no I'll ask someone to explain why and/or provide links to information that advises the differences. So please asssist with details if you can. Thanks, NoOp (wandering off course from the Ubuntu users list) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations
How many of these things are actually going to make it into Karmic? A dynamically sized swap file? GRUB 2 residing on its own partition, etc? These things sound good. Also, would a dedicated GRUB2 parition be able to exist on LVM/raid? Just curious. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Scott James Remnantsc...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 17:27 -0400, Matt Price wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 15:21 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Monday 08 June 2009 6:45:20 pm André Pirard wrote: Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file. I think this was talked about at UDS as something people wanted to do. were there discussions about how to manage hibernation? tuxonice and i think uswsusp can write to a swapfile, but i'm not sure that swsusp can do that right now. It can. Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: devel-dicuss: the list itself, and mono
That's why you don't use corporate email or real names on the internet. You guys are lucky enough to se me using my primary address, which has my last initial in the header! On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: When someone starts emailing people's bosses about them, things have gone a bit too far. That's what I would have thought. I suspect that Paige, at least, doesn't have much sense of the meaning of either code or conduct. Of course, my manager knows better than to take that sort of obvious childishness with any seriousness at all, but it's still definitely over-the-top behavior, and strongly suggests that at least some contributers are more interested in flame wars and in attempting to enact their petty revenge fantasies than in free software. Maybe Mark and Paige and similarly inclined folks should take themselves, their conspiracy theories, and their attempts to stir up employment trouble for people over email (or projects) which they don't happen to enjoy, over to Encyclopedia Dramatica instead. That seems a more appropriate venue for their contributions. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermanns...@sourcecode.de wrote: anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu or any other linux distribution. It helps people get rid of Windows in the first place. no it doesn't, it helps spred the infectious disease MONO. it also helps adict users to it. Without Mono, there is no Moonlight. Without Moonlight, you get users whinging that they can't watch the Democratic National Convention* on Linux therefore Linux is stupid and Windows is good. Moonlight works independently of Mono as far as I know. Oh well, I don't have it on my system. As soon as the major video sites move to video (and they are preparing!), Flash will be gone too. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jaunty 64-bit and NVIDIA -- Any ideas?
I have an nvidia laptop I might test later (days) for this, as I want to try out Jaunty. I can tell you that 180 drivers on my 8800M on Intrepid worked fine. I don't know if Jaunty has messed up, though. I don't know how to help you directly. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Davyd McColl dav...@gmail.com wrote: Good day I've used Ubuntu for quite some time (years), following upgrade cycles on 32-bit and staying clear of 64-bit just because a lot of people have reported having a hard time of it. I recently installed 64-bit Jaunty on my laptop (HP Pavillion dv9352 with NVIDIA 7600 go graphics) and it worked so swimmingly that I decided to finally do a clean 64-bit install on my desktop instead of just dist-upgrade'ing to Jaunty as I would have normally done. Things have been good for a while -- but the problems have started as soon as I've required 3D applications to work. It started when I switched from Blank Screen to the BlinkBox screensaver. I came back to my machine to find it locked up after a while. This process was repeatable. Suspecting gnome-screensaver, I uninstalled and installed xscreensaver instead -- no change. And other 3D screensavers (like Bouncing Cow) cause the same issue. When I was playin Diablo II via WINE last night, I got a lockup after about 20 min play. All system temps are well within normal operating ranges -- the hardware doesn't seem to be the problem. ALT-SYSRQ keys still work, so the kernel is still alive. Suspecting graphics, I've downgraded from the 180 driver to the 173 -- same effect. The older 96 (iirc) driver doesn't seem to allow compiz, but does seem to suck just as much -- glxgears brought the system to a standstill, with occassional response from the mouse cursor -- but nothing else. I must also note here that glxgears quite reliably reproduces the system lockup for the 173 and 180 drivers. My next recourse is to try the beta (185) drivers from NVIDIA. I would have already but the download I left going overnight apparently broke somehow: the installer is complaining about a checksum mismatch -- so I'm re-downloading. What I want to know is: is this common for 64-bit systems (to have dodgy proprietary (ie, NVIDIA / ATI) drivers)? I've seen a lot of posts online about similar issues but they range right from Warty days -- has this always been an issue? Should I have rather just stuck with 32-bit? And does anyone know of aything other than trying the beta drivers which I can give a bash? I'm not a hectic gamer, but I do like to play something now and then (doom, quake, diablo, serious sam, etc), and it sucks that I'm unable to use a simple GL screensaver. Any ideas are appreciated. -d -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Truth doesn't cease to be just because you don't agree with it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jaunty UDS schedule?
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Timo Aaltonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Loïc Martin wrote: Hi, I've been tracking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty to get the discussions schedule for Jaunty UDS, and there's still no information on either the schedule or ways to attend remotely (it said it would be updated close to UDS, but AFAIU UDS has started today). There's a few features I'd like to follow and/or participate, but the main one is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/wacom-tablets-ui Could someone point me where I should look at? the schedule is up, but I don't know about the voip-access: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/ t -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss I would really like to listen in on the discussions. Please post where to connect ASAP! That is, assuming there will be audio streaming. Apologies to Timo for CCing incorrectly. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
UDS documentation
What sort of recording or documentation of discussion will be present? Video would be awesome, audio would be nice, minutes would be ok. Will there be audio casts? IRC chats? And I assume the schedule of discussions will be posted before the event. Pardon me if this is on the wiki, I didn't find complete info there in my cursory scan. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development with developers. Comments like I was just joking about you having to know anything make the decision to unsubscribe easy. I'm seriously considering it myself. It should remain, developers should remain. Developers are never going to get away from users who want to bitch, greater layers between the developers and users just breeds users who resent and don't understand developers and developers who don't understand (none programmer)user needs. Very Bad. So on one side I think that list moderators or peers should be very prompt in telling the wrong sorts of emails where to go, perhaps with a standard template which explains the rules and a little checkbox by the offence. On the other hand, list members should try not to bait the trolls. I've caught myself being suckered in too, so I know it's not easy. But why reward the wrong sort of emails with any response other than a boiler plait 'Your being rude' email? Regards, Martin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss On a practical note, it isn't as if this ML is getting flooded with hundreds of messages of traffic a day. For those who could benefit from the technical discussions and user input, I don't see why someone would disconnect themselves from that for the reason of saving themselves 15 minutes a day. As long as there are signals, the noise should be dealt with and ultimately set aside. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Danny Piccirillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if there's already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all the shutdown options are now separated from the logout options and in the users switcher along with IM status changer even though the IM client already has it's own which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss THANK YOU for bringing this up! Hardy's functionality w.r.t. the logout/suspend/hibernate/shutdown/switch was quicker and better looking. I know the separate screens are how upstream does it, but that doesn't make it better. I would REALLY like to see this changed back to the way it was. As far as the gnome-status thing changing Pidgin/Empathy statuses, I don't personally mind, though I don't really care for it. I can see where it causes problems more than it solves them. I have system sounds turned off... heh. Again, PLEASE change the logout button back. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: PackageKit: Call for testing
It's packagekit-gnome, not 'gnome-packagekit'. Worked fine for me. Are we supposed to be critiquing the software? It was a bit minimalist, and the frames in the windows are not resize-able. It doesn't seem as full featured as Synaptic, though it has a good look to it. It's info area is better laid out, and a live search feature. The repo listing is better in Synaptic. In short, I could see it being very useful and competitive with Synaptic, with a few tweaks and cleanups. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Sebastian Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The APT backend for PackageKit [1] has made a lot of progress recently in the 0.3.x series. It nearly supports all features of PackageKit. Highlights of the 0.3.x series are: * Search for codecs and mime type handlers * Local file installation * Change log for updates * Group support * Repository handling * Notification of new distro releases * A lot of bug fixes See the feature matrix for more infromation: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html Currently we have got a quite outdated 0.2.4 version in Intrepid. Furthermore sharing the same version would help to reduce maintenance burden, since Fedora plans to ship 0.3.2 in the next release. But before proposing a freeze exception I would like to have some feedback. So if you are interested in this piece of software and want to push packagekit forward please test it on your system and report bugs that you may encounter. You can find packages of the upcoming 0.3.2 release for Hardy and Intrepid in this Personal Package Archive: https://launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archivehttps://launchpad.net/%7Epackagekit/+archive Add the repository and install the packages packagekit and gnome-packagekit. The new applications will appear in the System - Administration menu. The obligatory screenshot: http://www.glatzor.de/fileadmin/files/screenshots/packagekit/Bildschirmfoto.png Cheers, Sebastian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New system sounds.
Doesn't concern me much, since I disable those sounds first thing! Remember that people use their laptops and take them to public places. I think the sound Cory attached is more 'mellow' for a logon sound than the current attention grabber. In short, I like it. On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As someone who thinks quite a bit about the look and feel of Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio I'm always on the lookout for pretty things that stand out around our community. This set of system sounds caught my ears: http://tinyurl.com/57zvlc (shortened because the GNOME-Look link was really long) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=695540 I would say these would be a great replacement for the current logon/of sounds. Which IMO are in need of a dire refresh. (sorry if these have been mentioned) -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3.1 in Intrepid?
Vishal, you can see all packages for intrepid by searching them in packages.ubuntu.com. Eclipse is at 3.2, and Wine is at 1.0. As for OOo 3, I would like to see it ready for Intrepid, but I can understand if it isn't. the beta 1 didn't give me any trouble in Windows several months ago, which is the last time I used it. I know that means nothing in the grand scheme, just an anecdote. Since Firefox auto-updates, getting 3.1 in wouldn't be an issue anyway. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/31 Alexander Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A lot of people seem to misunderstand why Fx 3.0 was included in 8.04 when it wasn't final. The reason was that we had to support it for 3 years, so Fx 2 was not an option. As Intrepid is not LTS, we only need to keep supporting 3.0 for 18 months, which is fine. Sorry, I posted before this message arrived. I retract my comment of one minute ago. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: How well will OOo 3.0 be integrated with Gnome?
For the fact that OOo is a large part of Ubuntu desktop, it's in beta, and a similar choice was made for Firefox 3 (though for different reasons, I know) I would hope that 3 would be in 8.10, assuming no showstoppers or load o' regressions. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:49 AM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olá Mackenzie e a todos. On Thursday 28 August 2008 18:16:25 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008 15:12:42 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: There is a PPA for it. https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archivehttps://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eopenoffice-pkgs/+archive I was looking for a way to run both versions side by side, and not replace/upgrade. This will do for now. If I find any major prob, I'll just remove the rep, and downgrade. Thanks. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Call for testing empathy
Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a stable program in the OS for a release before making it default. I am admittedly ignorant as to how stable Empathy and its extensions are. Since several others and myself have never /heard/ of it before, I assume it's a relatively new project. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Did we really release 8.04?
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=769112 NOW people realize that something is wrong with the dev cycle! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LTS and release methodology
Hello. In my defense, some of the errors in my essay are due to the fact that I was new to Ubuntu at the time, and since then I have seen the effort and complexity of the project. I have also been around the wiki, and yes, I see that 10.04 is the next LTS :) My freshness to the subject is the reason that was not posted on a mailing list when I wrote it. I agree with many of your points. I now understand things that are quite clear to people once you really understand what Linux is all about. For example, the fact that a distro is only a set of tools and programs developed by third parties, integrated by the OS team. That said, errors in those programs are not solely the responsibility of Ubuntu. However, regression is still regression, and I still find it odd that a perfectly functioning version of a program can get upgraded to a version with new errors! I know it's a tough job, but it is still a problem. Software: I know that newer is meant to be better, and the argument for FF3 is well founded for Ubuntu. I fully concede that. As for OOo, I'm not AS convinced, but I will not argue against your statement. However, NEW still does not unequivocally mean better. LTS development: I do stand by my calls for a change in development. An LTS, more than other releases, should stand for stability and reliability, and should be developed accordingly. Some ideas: ---Using a previous release as a beta for an LTS: Instead of syncing packages with debian-sid on an LTS, use the packages from the LTS-1 release to find bugs and security holes. That way, when someone gets the LTS, they know it's been through the wringer. This would be much better than telling everyone they're getting an LTS when they should really wait for the first point release to get patches. ---Having an extra long dev cycle: Give LTS releases more time, like Dapper, instead of pushing them out on the same pace of a normal release. Make the beta time longer to get kinks out, for example. This would allow newer packages than the previous suggestion, while still allowing more time to find errors. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LTS and release methodology
On 7/7/08, Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would propose a compromise between the current LTS pattern and the proposed bug-fix only pattern: maintain the current upstream merge, but add no new packages. That way newer software is still in the repositories (and thus supported upstream for the longest time possible), but the more intrepid changes (ex: pulseaudio) are dropped. Users get a system that is still up-to-date, and developers get much more time to fix bugs. Decisions would have to be made on an individual basis for packages that are officially discontinued upstream in favour of newer implementations. This sounds like my second suggestion, I think we are on the same page here. LTS needs more attention to stability than is giving to STS. Vincenzo Ciancia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ceteris paribus, regressions should have a higher priority than normal bugs. I totally agree. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LTS and release methodology
Aside the version number, isn't that just like waiting 6 months on an LTS we already have? We're not going to dress up 8.04 as a new fancy release come October, but that's the only difference I think. No, an example would be using Feisty's packages and codebase to release 8.04. Almost as if 7.10 was the beta for 8.04. 8.10 can resume getting its packages synced from sid. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Making Canonical's/Ubuntu's contributions more visible
A former Canonical employee is mentioned in that article as a major maintainer. I just read an interesting article on Phoronix and while looking at the contributors you can see that Ubuntu/Canonical isn't mentioned at all. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=x_server_contributorsnum=1 -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
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Re: making deals with M$
I believe all you have to do is hit F6 at Ubuntu's install prompt to ensure Free Software Only on your computer. This installs only FOSS, and only enables main and universe repos. All of a sudden, any 'back room deals' are irrelevant. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read this article: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/ I hope this is wrong or I will have to stop using ubuntu and find another distro to use. Such a shame... Hope you are all proud of yourselves. Mark -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
I don't see what the problem is to solving his dilemma. Whining and moaning every time someone's binary is placed into code is ridiculous. Ubuntu still leaves plenty of space and SUPPORT for FULLY OPEN platforms, such as Gobuntu, working with gNewSense, the F6 option at install-time, etc. It is not hard to get fully free software if that is what you desire. That article did not seem to be informative at all; call me names or say things about me, but I'm not great at deciphering IRC chats that don't pertain to me. My above comments are discussing the generic situation of Ubuntu getting permission to use proprietary codecs in their OS for the sake of better interoperability. I would prefer a FREE option, but sometimes you have to do what it takes to get things working right. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of a sudden, any 'back room deals' are irrelevant. I wish people would talk about issues instead of technical solutions or flaming some mis-informed guy. Anyone care to? -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
