Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 06.02.2010 um 06:02 schrieb Luke Aaron: Maybe this is something other than an Ubuntu error? My system remembers keyboard layouts and network connections between boots. Also, I'm more inclined to think that VLC not playing smooth video is more likely a VLC problem than an Ubuntu one. Try a different video player maybe. I've never experienced stuttering video under normal use conditions on my Ubuntu installation. Thank you. That exactly demonstates what I meant with not helpful at all. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 06.02.2010 um 10:49 schrieb Luke Aaron: On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:15:12 pm you wrote: Am 06.02.2010 um 06:02 schrieb Luke Aaron: Maybe this is something other than an Ubuntu error? My system remembers keyboard layouts and network connections between boots. Also, I'm more inclined to think that VLC not playing smooth video is more likely a VLC problem than an Ubuntu one. Try a different video player maybe. I've never experienced stuttering video under normal use conditions on my Ubuntu installation. Thank you. That exactly demonstates what I meant with not helpful at all. Although it might not directly help you to find solutions to your problems, you seemed very sure that these problems were the result of Ubuntu being 'unstable'. Sure, that's more than obvious. I neither fiddled with network settings nor with keyboard settings, so the only conclusion is, Ubuntu introduced that on it's own. Due to an unfortunate point in time when automatic upgrades were pulled, due to a specific hardware combination, whatever. I'm just suggesting that you may be looking in the wrong place for your solutions, and that the problems may not reside where you think they do. The problem is, I have to care about this at all. Ubuntu is meant to be usable by end users and such people don't even know what a keyboard mapping is, much less they know how to fix it. If they see the wrong characters printed on key presses, they go back to Windows. Sorry for being so egocentric here. I can't speak for Ubuntu in general, just for the experience of me and three friends I recommended Ubuntu to. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 06.02.2010 um 11:09 schrieb Mario Vukelic: On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 10:15 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: That exactly demonstates what I meant with not helpful at all. Markus, this is not the support list for random problems. I know. How else would I demonstrate the disastrous experience some people get other than by picking a few typical samples? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fsck stops at boot, how to debug?
Am 05.02.2010 um 09:42 schrieb David MENTRE: The regular fsck that occurs at the boot of my Ubuntu Karmic x86_64 machine is stopping (once at 83%, once at 90%). The disk is inactive (led off). I can reboot the machine through Ctrl+Alt+Del. How can I debug such a situation? Boot off a live CD (or another partition) and do the fsck manually. If it still insists to fsck at boot time, hit the Esc key, this should abort checking. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 05.02.2010 um 02:22 schrieb Ben Gamari: Excerpts from Brett Mahar's message of Thu Feb 04 20:00:19 -0500 2010: Is it still necessary to even have releases every 6 months? How many more new features/changes need to be made to the OS? It seems pretty well developed as-is. You are kidding, right? It amazes me that someone would say such a thing. I can tell you right now that the competition (Apple, and, yes, even Microsoft) do not have this attitude. While Ubuntu in its current form is a great distribution, it is by no means perfect and is certainly nowhere near a point where we can start considering stagnation. Perhaps he's talking about not to introduce a different photo viewer or instant messenger application every other release. Each switch in software introduces bugs and blasts previous fixes away. Think about those who actually dived into an issue and fixed it with several days of work, just to see this being obsoleted a few weeks later. And no, Ubuntu with it's applications is nowhere near the stability of Mac OS X or Windows XP. It's sometimes more like a find-your-daily- workaround adventure. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 05.02.2010 um 10:46 schrieb Siegfried-A. Gevatter: 2010/2/5 Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de: Perhaps he's talking about not to introduce a different photo viewer or instant messenger application every other release. I'm not sure what you mean with this in relation to Ben's message. That's the point why there are releases Actually, it's not. Ubuntu is a Linux distribution and as such it's the groundwork to run applications on it. To get newer applications, there is no direct need to upgrade the groundwork. And no, Ubuntu with it's applications is nowhere near the stability of [...] Windows XP. You are kidding, right? No, I'm not kidding. Currently, Ubuntu fails to recognize the keyboard layout and the network connection between boots; VLC can't play videos without stuttering. That's pretty basic, yet the filed bugs get no attention or get attempts to declare them as user error. Neither is helpful. I'd expect at least hints on where I should stick my nose into to get onto the right track for a good diagnosis/fix. Shortly before Karmic was released I couldn't even file more bugs because Launchpad was more often down than functional. This situation led me to the conclusion there's no point in reporting further bugs, as they do nothing but fill Canonical's disk space. Apparently, the bug reporting and fixing (and packaging?) mechanism is so complex only few developers can keep up with it. Out of the ten bugs I have current, just a single one was fixed - in several months of emailing, while a fix was found within a week. Another one was even introduced intentional (kqemu), that's ridiculous. As soon as the groundwork is working reasonable I'm more than pleased to talk about enhancing the set of default applications. Yet, until Ubuntu gets there, there's a lot of work to be done. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Load 2.0, idle 99% ?
Hello all, if this is the wrong list, please direct me to a better one. I just came back to my Ubuntu 9.10 box after having left for an hour or two. The screen is black and neither mouse nor keyboard can wake the display up. Switching concole doesn't work, either. I can ssh in from another machine, so the lower layers are apparently running. Doing so I noticed something odd. top reports an average load of 2.0 (it's a dual core), while reporting idle 99,8% at the same time: top - 19:27:34 up 9:29, 3 users, load average: 2.01, 1.99, 1.91 Tasks: 155 total, 2 running, 153 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0% si, 0.0%st Mem: 3081432k total, 1342344k used, 1739088k free, 146764k buffers Swap: 5245180k total,0k used, 5245180k free, 562632k cached All processes show up near 0% as well. How can a cpu be loaded and idle at the same time? What should I watch out for to track down the bug (of at least the display being stuck)? Thanks, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making a workaround web page for bugs, in LTS release, not fixed
Am 07.01.2010 um 12:53 schrieb Marco Pallotta: we cannot ignore this user perception and I think we have to study to try to fix it (also because LTS has seen as a sort of a very stable release). To use some of Mark's words: I agree with you wholeheartedly. So the bug triager [...] should have to select (just sending it to a web page maintainer) which workaround, [...] Likely, this can be automated. Put a checkmark This is a workaround to bug report postings and some daemon can collect those to display them on the help page (and making them more accessible to Google). At worst, a triager would have to cutpaste partial workarounds or descriptions hosted elsewhere into a single post, so the additional burden should be manageable. Excellent idea, Marco. Cheers, Markus -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
Am 06.01.2010 um 11:36 schrieb Patrick Freundt: ... but maybe Gentoo and other source based distributions are going to have a revival and Canonical is discovered as the new Microsoft. Patrick, just a week ago you defended Ubuntu so much and now you play with going away? Doesn't match my claim Ubuntu is so exhausted introducing new features there is no room for keeping the current stuff tidy pretty much your own situation? What to do now? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Making Resolution Setting More User-Friendly
Am 01.01.2010 um 01:13 schrieb Craig Van Degrift: I have been troubled by how confusing it can be for new users of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu to get their old display hardware showing higher resolution. I have attempted to write a WWW page that is designed to help these newbies as well as confused old-timers like myself. Could anyone interested in helping with this look at http://yosemitefoothills.com/UbuntuLucidDisplayNotes.html and give me feedback. I have the same problem and solve it by putting something like this into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45custom_xrandr-settings ($HOME/.Xsession no longer works): xrandr --newmode 1280x1024 SGI 134.400 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync xrandr --addmode VGA1 1280x1024 SGI You can get the required numbers with PowerStrip, a tool for MS Windows. SGI is an arbitrary name, VGA1 (sometimes VGA) can be found with xrandr --info, IIRC. These new resolutions then show up in the standard panel for resolution settings and survive reboots. A few versions back (before Jaunty Jackalope) Ubuntu used to find these resolutions it's self. HTH, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...
Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple to operate. Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more demanding, but technically superior way is to reduce complexity. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???
Am 26.12.2009 um 17:50 schrieb paul Hartman: I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/ 71870 Under status it is listed as won't fix. Why would this be? Look here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/configtuning- configfiles.html#AEN16807 for a proper solution. Perhaps it's possible to port this to Ubuntu. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...
Am 26.12.2009 um 15:13 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 13:58 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple to operate. Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more demanding, but technically superior way is to reduce complexity. [...] we could get people choosing to remove functionality in the name of reduced complexity, ... That's what I often do. As a rule of thumb, if there's more than one way to achieve a goal, there's too much functionality. Not exactly mainstream, I know. By profession I'm a mechanical designer and there the cost of redundant stuff is much higher. But even for software, the cost of redundant functionality is above zero. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...
Am 26.12.2009 um 18:47 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 18:37 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: That's what I often do. As a rule of thumb, if there's more than one way to achieve a goal, there's too much functionality. [...] What did you think I was saying? that we should repeat functionality ad-nausium as a sort of bad replacement for actual advancement? Well, that's what I often see. Not with the intention of repeating functionality, of course, but not caring about repeatings, either. Examples: OpenSSL. Endless man pages, wrapper tools for hiding 90% of the stuff. F-Spot. Instead of removing the Viewer Mode, (almost?) all functions of Editor Mode are now added to Viewer Mode as well. Image viewers: Instead of improving F-Spot to be the best thought reference, half a dozen additional image viewers pop up, each of them obviously created from scratch. To get back to the initial topic, instead of paying people to write tools for taming complexity, paying people for getting rid of unused stuff would be even better. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...
Am 26.12.2009 um 20:18 schrieb Patrick Freundt: why do people write free software. And I believe they do that because its fun. And terms like minimum redundancy or cost effectiveness do not really fit into that context. Cost isn't only about money. It's also about the time people have to invest to pick the right choice. It's about incompatibilities because different people pick different choices. At worst, people go away because they're over-confused. If you want to see people having fun in reducing complexity, watch out for projects like Puppy Linux, Damn Small Linux, TinyBSD, lighttpd, AbiWord, and many more. Yes, my (FreeBSD) web server has a 14 MebiByte disk footprint only and I had much fun getting rid of all the other stuff. Am 26.12.2009 um 20:09 schrieb Martin Owens: But you try asking people to write infrastructure software, you might as well be talking to brick walls. This might be true[1]. One reason more to slim down this infrastructure and to cheer about those working on it. :-) Markus [1] I can't tell, as I never tried to talk to brick walls. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: managing choices
Am 26.12.2009 um 22:33 schrieb Patrick Freundt: You are not removing complexity by reducing choices, at least not in my humble opinion. Such statements make me feel like I want to run away and kiss Apple's Snow Leopard, which removes a lot of old cruft while maintaining full usability. For example, you no longer have the choice to run this OS on a PowerPC CPU, removing some 30% off the neccessary binaries. You no longer have the choice to use the Carbon API, removing some 20% of the required knowledge to code on a Mac. Older Cocoa API's are in the process of being removed as well. Again less choice, less header files, less libraries, less required knowledge - in short, less complexity. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Add miredo to the default install.
Am 17.12.2009 um 00:04 schrieb Alain Kalker: Gently coaxing users to get acquainted with IPv6 is IMO a much better idea than their ISPs dropping letters in their mailboxes one day stating Either switch to IPv6 NOW or lose connectivity. As no IPv4 address will be removed in the forseeable future, existing services won't stop to work. Just new ones will be hidden. Perhaps IPv4-to-IPv6 republishing sites will pop up. Nevertheless, tunneling is a good idea these days. Any chance to set that up automatically? Without automatisms, the user base will remain neglibile. Who would care to work on his net connection if (s)he can seemingly reach any web site in the world already? Another $o.o2 Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Add miredo to the default install.
Am 14.12.2009 um 21:24 schrieb Harry Strongburg: Hi, in my opinion, the miredo package should be default on Ubuntu install. Why? IPv6 [...] What is miredo? Ubuntu features IPv6 support already, so where's the use of this package? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: karmic trashed in Tomshardware.com
Am 08.12.2009 um 11:03 schrieb James Hogarth: Given these were desktops the possible loss in FS reliability on crash is an acceptable tradeoff Neither crashes nor less than 100% file system reliabilty are acceptable. Never ever. An operating system isn't a children's playground. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gthumb vs fspot
Am 21.11.2009 um 13:02 schrieb Dave Morley: Gthumb and fspot both have similar tool set for editing: [...] it's only 2 big advantages I see are uploading to online galleries and timeline view. Is it just me or doesn't do the F-Spot shipped with Karmic editing at all? Timeline view? No such thing here. I'm aware the F-Spot web site mentions photo editing, but looking at the actually installed application, it's a very rudimentary photo viewer which doesn't allow for anything but looking at the pixels and at the metadata. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gthumb vs fspot
Am 02.12.2009 um 12:39 schrieb Onkar Shinde: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Is it just me or doesn't do the F-Spot shipped with Karmic editing at all? Timeline view? No such thing here. Which version of Ubuntu are you using? F-Spot 0.6.1.5 on Ubuntu 9.10 x86_64 On my jaunty installation I see 'Edit' button in the top toolbar. When I click it the sidebar changes to show buttons 'Crop', 'Red eye reduction', 'Desaturate', 'Sepia tine', 'Straighten', 'Soft focus', 'Auto color', 'Adjust colors'. OK, so it is me, or at least my installation. Now, to find out about the version of F-Spot I launched F-Spot for the first time on it's own and *drumroll* there is a edit button. However, when launching F-Spot via the context menu (open with...) in Nautilus (the file manager), editing buttons and the timeline are still missing. The later is the usual way here, besides double- clicking a photo. Very confusing. Is this intended behaviour or should I file a bug? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 21.11.2009 um 22:38 schrieb Remco: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 19:58, Michael Bienia mich...@bienia.de wrote: On 2009-11-21 17:37:46 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_1_big.jpg Oh, perhaps you prefer command line disk partitioning over gparted as well. It's doable and much more flexible :-) gparted is probably a good GUI (hadn't have to repartition my disk for a long time, so never used it till now). But does it help someone to partition his disk properly who doesn't know about primary/logical partitions, filesystem types, mount points, etc.? It doesn't. Well, it does. It gives a visual representation of how the result will be, it translates partition codes to human readable descriptions (ext2, FAT32, ...), it takes some care to avoid conflicts and it invokes the correct tools to format the newly created partitions. On the command line, you have a lot more chances to do things wrong. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 22.11.2009 um 20:44 schrieb Remco: We want to cater to administrators with varying degrees of experience, making them more productive and less error prone. At least, that's why *I* want GUI tools. Well said. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 21.11.2009 um 14:22 schrieb Chan Chung Hang Christopher: In any case, please give an example of an interface that makes it more convenient/faster to find an option Sorry to interrupt your nagging again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Leopard_Server_10.5.png http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_1_big.jpg Oh, perhaps you prefer command line disk partitioning over gparted as well. It's doable and much more flexible :-) Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Stop the madness
Am 17.11.2009 um 12:19 schrieb patrick: Give a distribution the time to mature, listen to your big chief, even when it's for only time only: 1 distribution a year will bring quality software instead of buggy software like it is now !! I had some thoughts on this as well and came to the conclusion, the base system and applications should be decoupled. Currently, the major reason to upgrade to the latest is for getting recent versions of applications. Right now I'd be glad if I could run e.g. the latest VLC or AbiWord on last year's Ubuntu (Hardy). Hardy worked so well with my hardware while Jaunty asks me to do 5 minutes of manual tweaking until all subsystems are running. After each boot! Of course, I could compile packages manually from upstream sources, and I have to for some packages as the distributed one is broken or removed intentionally (kqemu). But that's not the intention of using a distribution, after all. There are some buddies providing PPA's across Ubuntu releases for popular applications and I appreciate that very much. Perhaps it's possible to extend that path and allow users to run modern applications on a matured base system (kernel, drivers, blank desktop, admin controls). Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu ghc6 package (german translation)
Am 16.11.2009 um 13:54 schrieb Christian Maeder: Heiko Studt schrieb: the German translation of the ghc6 package description is some kind of wrong in the current Ubuntu 9.10: the technical term lazy is translated as träge which means (slow, lazy) with an accent on slow. I don't know whether there is a default translation in the haskell universum (like faul). The usual translation of lazy evaluation is verzögerte Auswertung. Well, träge isn't exactly wrong. It has the advantage of being shorter than verzögert. For example, electical fuses are träge as well. In my opinion the best would be to stay at the technical term lazy. I agree, too. IMHO, programming languages shouldn't be translated at all. Different languages make communication around the world a nightmare. Cheers, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Idea: Dyslexia screen tinter
Am 02.11.2009 um 20:37 schrieb Neil Munro: What I propose is a centralised dedicated accessibility tool that enables the user to slide colour values up and down to change both background and text colour, with an example block of text that changes as they edit the values. This sounds like a logical extension to xrandr, which can set resolution, gamma and the like already. I'm not sure wether xorg is capable of shifting colors already. Just to chime in these $0.02, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
Am 26.10.2009 um 12:08 schrieb Dirk Hoeschen: Now (3 days before the release) karmic seems to be unready. Even if the system is stable, I found many bugs and inconsistent issues. Obviously, the team is totally overwhelmed by bugs. Look for example at bug #459067: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/ 459067 Introduced last week, this bug requires me to go to the keyboard manager after each reboot before I can make use of the keyboard. Yet is is considered as Importance low, means, likely never fixed intentionally. All those regressions make me start to think about _why_ I use cutting edge Ubuntu. It's not for the perhaps improved audio stack, it's not for the no longer working keyboard, it is to get recent versions of high level applications like Abiword, Scribus, VNC, ... you name it. Considering this, it's most likely I'd better go with keeping an older Ubuntu and getting those modern applications from independent sources, PPAs or manually installed packages. Even if this is totally against the idea of having release cycles first place, it looks to me like the path to the best bug/feature ratio of my overall system. Markus (currently installing qemu manually as kqemu support was dropped intentionally from the official packages) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 22.10.2009 um 10:02 schrieb Christopher Chan: Mapping system? I guess that means no shared filesystems. SMBFS, sshfs and to some extent NFS support mapping already. It works just fine here and today, mapping volumes of a Mac OS X server onto an Ubuntu box. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 20.10.2009 um 11:26 schrieb Michael Zoet: I think it is a big mistake to believe server administration is easy when you have a GUI. That's mostly true, but in a GUI you have much easier access to HowTos, the web in general, man pages and so on. Additionally, you can assist an admin with Popups, colors and graphs. Menus give a much better overview than an invisible list of options, and so on ... Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Benchmarking Ubuntu
Am 30.09.2009 um 06:09 schrieb Randy Appleton: Does anyone really have 1000 icons on their desktop? Yes, this can happen. Regarding boot times ... I'm not sure why this is interesting. The best goal would be to make it unneccessary to boot/reboot a machine at all. My $0.02 Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Testing karmic currently impossible?
Am 16.09.2009 um 00:52 schrieb Scott Kitterman: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:14:52 +0200 Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: It's a pretty generic Dell with a Core 2 Duo, intended to run desktop- amd64. Any idea on how to get back on track? Wait until tomorrow and try again. Indeed, after a second reinstall the box is running again. Thanks for the hard work, gentlemen. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Testing karmic currently impossible?
Is it just me or is testing karmic currently impossible? Here it started with $HOME/.xsession(rc) being ignored, after some wrestling and updates the GUI was gone completely. Then I did a reinstall of alpha5 on a fresh partition. Right after installation the OS worked, but automatic updates reported a lot of trouble, removed packages as essential(?) as hostnames or acpi- support and now the system won't even boot: the Grub menu contains not a single kernel. It's a pretty generic Dell with a Core 2 Duo, intended to run desktop- amd64. Any idea on how to get back on track? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
$HOME/.xsessionrc ignored
Hello all, after upgrading to karmic the .xsessionrc configuration file in my user's Home is obviously ignored. It contains a specific gamma value and a few monitor resolutions the display manager doesn't provide by default. As the usual sources of knowledge fail: How would I fix that? Thanks, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Guessing environment variables set origin
Am 11.09.2009 um 16:02 schrieb Yguaratã C. Cavalcanti: is there any way to guess if a environment variable was set by system of if it was defined by the configuration files? Well, where exactly do you draw the line between system and configuration file? Ubuntu, as installed from scratch, comes with quite a few configuration files and /etc/profile is usually considered as one of them. I imagined that i could to this by parsing some files such as /etc/ profile or ~/profile, for example. However it would require a complete bash script parser, i guess. As you can start another shell in a shell, use bash it's self to interpret it's environment: $ bash env Bash does distinguish a few modes it can run in: login shell, ksh emulation, etc. See the man page for more. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Guessing environment variables set origin
Am 12.09.2009 um 17:28 schrieb Yguaratã C. Cavalcanti: I would like to guess when a variable was defined from a system configuration file, like /etc/ profile, or if it was defined by a user configuration file, such as ~/profile. One possible way is to simply remove those user configuration files. Another one is to grep through the existing files, as variables are usually set using their name directly. Third option is to try the various switches available with bash to exclude some of the configuration files. A new/virgin user account might be useful for all the options. Using this GUI, the user could define its own variables and the system variables (since it has root access, of course) Typical GUI users don't even know environment variables exist ... Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The disgrace of (the) Kompozer (package maintainer)
Am 04.09.2009 um 18:10 schrieb Patrick Goetz: Now, is it finally appropriate for me to say WTF? Instead of writing hundreds of words to a mailing list, how about filing a needs-packaging bug, how about creating a PPA with this newer version? We're glad you found a non-working package. Is the package maintainer for this package in a coma? ... if there is a maintainer at all ... More friendly words likely result in a more friendly answer. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Examining our release cycle: stricter instead of longer?
Am 17.07.2009 um 10:00 schrieb Danny Piccirillo: [...] I just saw a story on Slashdot about OpenBSD's successful release process. [...] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/16/2322203/Why-OpenBSDs- Release-Process-Works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pkyDUX5uM While the SlashDot discussion merely shows people shouting without thinking, the video is very interesting. If I understood it correctly, OpenBSD does two things: 1) Keep every (official) development on the main trunk. 2) Swap between add features, change API cycles and testing cycles. This appears to have several/surprising advantages: - As there are no release branches, all people test the same food, their own dogfood. - Due to the large base of testers, regressions are exploited pretty quickly, often within minutes. - Accordingly, there's no need to run older releases. - Each fix has to be distributed to one branch only, backporting and/or release engineering is (almost) obsolete. Now, while OpenBSD might be considered a bit exotic by many, another successful project with a similar model comes to my mind: the non- emulator Wine. To be honest, I don't see the advantage of a strong emphasis on releases either, as open source software is always a living thing. Is it a matter of matching company policy checklists? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Flash, and 32 vs. 64
Am 17.06.2009 um 20:57 schrieb Patrick Goetz: As far as I can tell, the 64-bit Flash plugin is fairly stable and works with all the content we could think to try out. The last time I tried to use Adobe's 64-bit player was in Intrepid and it refused to load YouTube videos. Is this solved? For now I'm back to swfdec. I prefer it for the minor, but very convenient feature to load flash after a click on a placeholder, only. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 25.05.2009 um 03:46 schrieb Christopher James Halse Rogers: Supporting package downgrades means supporting package downgrades in general, and this would require that package maintainers write back-conversion utilities where necessary. ... or to make a copy of the original settings just before doing the conversion. To get started, simply allowing downgrades (= keeping the older version in the list of available versions) without making a headache about configs would likely solve many more problems than it creates. For Alpha Beta, where people are expected to know how apt-get friends work, of course. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?
Am 22.05.2009 um 08:23 schrieb Martin Pitt: As I said, you cannot have a regression _by definition_ if you ship a new machine with that backported stuff preinstalled. Of course. Of course I don't know whether they inflict those updates to earlier customers as well. They sell the machine now and promise to deliver the updates over the next year. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...
Am 19.05.2009 um 01:24 schrieb Daniel J Blueman: A number of benchmarks show a significant performance loss on 32bit ubuntu over 64bit [...] Just how much user experience do we trade away for i386/i486 legacy compatibility these days? IMHO, you draw an odd conclusion here. You recognize AMD64 to be faster than i386 and take this argument to turn away some of the i386 users? If you are so keen on performance, by all means, install AMD64. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 15.05.2009 um 11:17 schrieb Onno Benschop: There are days when I wonder if Linux will ever get ahead of the curve. As popularity increases, expectations mount, bug reports increase, noise level goes up, work-load goes up, dissatisfaction goes up, morale drops, momentum stalls, and then - fubar. As popularity increases, more vendors will attempt to provide drivers at launch dates of new hardware. For now it's a reasonable strategy to buy hardware which is at least half a year old or which is binary compatible with such older hardware. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 13.05.2009 um 20:39 schrieb Daniel Chen: There has been no lack of calls for testing. Some of these calls have resulted in timely and effective bug reports. Others, not so much. I doubt testers' responses have been blithely ignored. I hope they aren't, of course. Yet, of the about 8 bugs I reported over the last two years, only one was fixed - about nine months after reporting. If you want to review: at Launchpad I'm Traumflug. This gives an impression like The Ubuntu Team (whoever this is) is totally overwhelmed with the sheer number of reports - wich isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but isn't encouraging more reports either. I admit I didn't participate in Jaunty testing. Running the alpha Live-CD showed me it wouldn't support my preferred monitor resoluton. In Intrepid, this resolution worked perfectly. This was reported (I think), but this part of Jaunty worked as designed (allow resolutions the monitor hardware suggests, only), and I had to find a workaround. I did this after the release, of course. Later Daniel wrote: But is your hardware indicative of the common case? IMHO, the only common case on the i386/AMD64 platform is: there is no common case. Seriously: there are millions of combinations of hardware components out there and even if some 0.13% of the computers worldwide happen to have the exactly same hardware, each of the hardware's users will have a different perference on how the box should work. So: There is no common case. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: High CPU usage applet
Am 08.05.2009 um 14:47 schrieb Andrew Sayers: [...] then send a STOP signal to processes guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, before asking the user what to do. Please ask the user first. There are very valid reasons why a system is running under full steam. For example, if one makes actually use of the available processing power: Doing scientific calculations, rendering videos, playing games, serving. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default font size in gnome
Am 28.02.2009 um 19:52 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: On Saturday 28 February 2009 6:38:04 am Markus Hitter wrote: I can understand this is difficult to get swallowed. For 40 (or more) years now, the rule was 1 pixel = 1 dot on the screen. A picture, 100px x 100px in size used to use exactly 100 x 100 dots on screen. Now, this is no longer true. Wait...what? A pixel will no longer be 1 dot? From the applications's view: no. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default font size in gnome
Am 27.02.2009 um 19:29 schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2009/02/27 10:47 (GMT-0600) Ryan Hayle composed:
On 27/02/09 10:09, Chris Cheney wrote:
Fortunately most web designers are smart enough not to use px for
fonts.
I'm not so sure it's reached 50% yet, particularly for shopping
carts. For
those that have changed away, most have not switched to respecting
defaults.
The most popular trend is to impose predominatly 12px by setting 'body
{font-size: 62.5%}' (5/8 of 12pt, which is 10px @ 96 DPI, 7.5pt)
and then 'p
{font-size: 1.2em}' (120% of 10px == 12px). http://clagnut.com/blog/
348/
explains the convolution. Others typically size copy text to .76em,
80%, or
thereabouts.
This is likely all true, but with resolution independent rendering,
it no longer applies. In the future, px is just a measurement unit,
just like in or mm. Once the software gets this, it's perfectly
fine for web developers to ask for a 12pt font. It just won't be
rendered with characters 12 screen pixel high, but with this value,
divided/multiplied with the screen dpi.
I can understand this is difficult to get swallowed. For 40 (or more)
years now, the rule was 1 pixel = 1 dot on the screen. A picture,
100px x 100px in size used to use exactly 100 x 100 dots on screen.
Now, this is no longer true.
To stir the mix additionally, there are many pieces of software
respecting resolution independent rendering and many others not.
Picture viewers still map one picture pixel to one dot on screen and
call this 100%. Font/text displying tools still shortcut rendering
engines and draw a 12pt font with 12-dot-on-screen character glyphs.
Some software considers 72 dpi screens (Macintosh monitors were
produced many years this way) as standard, others won't work with
anything but a 96 dpi screen (Windows XP default setting). This makes
comparisons so difficult.
My personal hope is, this dust settles once people get used to set
their screen dpi just right: it is a measurable fact.
Then, they will start complaining a 12 px font is waaay to big for
phone screens ;-)
MarKus
P.S.: There's no real need for an additional measurement unit besides
mm and in, so I'd actually prefer to see px going away entirely.
What a dream!
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Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
Am 16.01.2009 um 16:58 schrieb Liam Zwitser: I assume that most people don´t want to have to restart their pc when the GUI chrashes. I assume most people don't want their GUI to crash at all. That's a serious data loss each time, after all. If your X crashes from time to time that's unfortunate for you, but a good thing for Ubuntu as you get the chance to report and track down a bug. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?
Am 10.02.2009 um 14:33 schrieb Scott James Remnant: On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:53 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: PS. I think Lennart is doing a _terrific_ job; I'm hoping Ubuntu technical board understands the need to be careful about merging new stuff to avoid regressions. This experience has been quiet painful for me and I suspect there is other people still out there with PA related regressions. DS. It's not that simple, in fact I'd go as far to say that we should never adopt new things is a very dangerous position to take. Isn't this conclusion pretty much an overstatement? New things shall be adopted, of course. Nevertheless, regressions are very painful. They actually stop people from adopting new technology, after all. For an example, I currently don't run 9.04 alpha because it (yet again) broke support for the monitor resolution I need. Because of this, I didn't even notice the new pulseaudio. Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to have a look at other distros to get an idea on how they deal with this challenge: http://www.nabble.com/HEADSUP-usb2-usb4bsd-to-become-default-in- GENERIC-td21866690.html MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?
Am 10.02.2009 um 16:35 schrieb Scott James Remnant: On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to have a look at other distros to get an idea on how they deal with this challenge: As far as I'm aware, there aren't any distributions doing 6-monthly releases that deal with this challenge. FreeBSD has two continuous streams of development: Current (bleeding edge) and Stable. Additionally, they provide bugfixes for at least one older release (similar to Ubuntu's LTS). Instead of stair- stepping from release to release, they improve things piece by piece and fork releases when it's convenient. Not exactly every six months, but similarly often: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html This strategy is very convenient, as things never break down completely. You can always deal with single problems, while the remaining parts of the OS stay intact. No waiting for releases either, simply subscribe to one of the continuous streams. The backside is, you have to backport each new feature at least once. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts for assisting those with limited bandwidth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 01.02.2009 um 21:43 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: I would like to know how they handle situations where the person hasn't updated in 3 weeks and the package has been updated in the meantime. Say, for example: -0ubuntu1 is currently installed -0ubuntu3 is available to install Do they need to install -0ubuntu2 and THEN -0ubuntu3? I don't know how Fedora does, but you always have the fallback option to download the full package. The server always has to provide full packages to allow new installations. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkmG1MkACgkQm7ux1ZKeoqaDJgCdFU3aDR7610NtQBdP/xwYpGEZ 0X8AmweOgwQALZbXh+CN/PdJRCs4BZiO =Rnq6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts for assisting those with limited bandwidth
Am 31.01.2009 um 15:09 schrieb Davyd McColl: I don't appreciate a 78mb download every other day because one config item in the kernel config has been changed or tweaked. I think what you are really asking for are incremental packages. Additional to full packages, each server would supply a package-diff which would allow to upgrade a given package to the next version. This isn't exactly trivial (you'd have to un-archive and re-archive packages to get meaningful diffs, it has to be binary safe and allow to remove files), but I've read about this idea on this list before. Perhaps you can find this spot and start working out something like a concept or even mockup code. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Internet-Teenagers and what Ubuntu can do.
Am 29.01.2009 um 13:19 schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: I suggest instead taking up this issue with the companies that sell computers with Ubuntu on it. If enough customers demand parental control features, those companies may invest in implementing them, precisely because they know volunteers won't. This is a good idea. One of the most fundamental ideas of free open source software is to _avoid_ artifical barriers, after all. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: QuitAppletPlus is ready for your feedback!
Am 21.01.2009 um 22:23 schrieb Roman Friesen: Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 13:50 +0100 schrieb Siegfried-Angel: 2009/1/21 Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com: - protection against accidentally choosing wrong actions without Are you sure?-confirmations Likewise, although our design guys might have an explicit reason for not having an extra confirmation dialog by default? If I remember correctly (but I may be wrong), there were plans to let the fast-user-switch-applet show the same dialogue as the options in the System menu, but that couldn't be finished on time for Intrepid. Oh, please no... It's not common to place buttons such as in this dialogs, it's only a single place with such layout I know in Gnome... I think it's a a hard break of the usability. Apple Mac OS X has such confirmation dialogs as well, but only for actions which have potential data loss (log out, power off) and with an expiration timer of 120 seconds. On expiration, the requested action is taken, so you can select shut down and walk away to find your Mac turned off later. That's all Mac OS X 10.4, I don't know about 10.5. Confirmation of potential data loss is a good idea, IMHO. Offering a selection dialog after the user has (pre-)selected his choice in the menu, isn't. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Doing something about signal:noise complaints
Am 22.01.2009 um 12:19 schrieb Andrew Sayers: Ubuntu developers tend to complain about the ratio of signal to noise on this list - that is, the percentage of posts that take up their time without helping them to improve Ubuntu. Hmm. Is this possibly a indirect argumentation? Developers are developers because they want to improve Ubuntu. Improvements in form of new features, better design, added functionality, simplified use of Ubuntu. On the other hand, users are typically pointing to what developers don't want to hear: Bugs, mistakes, incompatibilities, differing opinions and more bugs. Currently, Ubuntu's quality in this regard isn't exactly shining compared to the main competitors Windows XP and Mac OS X, so users might have a tendency to be head more loudly. IMHO, there's a natural barrier between users and developers and the best way to improve relations here is to try to get users involved in a more productive way. Apport has made great improvements recently and I'm sure there can be found more ways to benefit from occasional developers and hobbyist coders. In return, user's complaints will calm down, have less substance and likely won't be felt that nagging. I'm aware this opinion could be received as being slightly aggressive, please bear with me. The current draft of the survey is at http://pileofstuff.org/ubuntu-survey/ and will go live this time tomorrow - there's still time to make changes if you have ideas. You ask how likely it is for the participant to post to the -devel list. Isn't the -devel list closed to non-developers, making it not a choice for most people? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [strawman] Make Git Branches of all Ubuntu Packages Too
Am 13.01.2009 um 00:37 schrieb Joseph Smidt: As you all know there has been tremendous discussion over Git vs. Bazaar recently. Has been? Actually, I didn't notice this discussion yet and while I touched a lot of FOSS projects recently, not a single one uses Bazaar. Even when working with/for Ubuntu, the use of a revision control system other than the project's native one didn't surface so far. Why not also bite the bullet and standardize how open source projects track how we are modifying software? Sure. After the ageing of CVS everybody runs in a similar, but different direction. A nightmare. As the others mentioned, having a single (git-)interface for different repos whould be a big leap in the right direction. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots
Am 09.01.2009 um 17:39 schrieb James Westby: You can [...] You can [...] You can [...] Wow, there are plenty of options. Thanks a lot. I didn't recognize a PPA has a build machinery, yet, and will try that path. Thanks James, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots
Hello all, in an attempt to get some insight about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnustep-base/+bug/245981 I tried to build the packages myself. However, the results are totally different from what I see in the build logs attached to the bug. I can't reproduce the bug as the build works fine outside a chrooted environment. So my question is: how would I best mimick Ubuntu's build machinery? Probably a virtual machine, to allow building i386 on an AMD64 host, but which type of installation, what else? Thanks, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney: Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of users? Hmm. For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
How to push bugs upstream
Hello all, one of my bug reports (282379) didn't get any attention and, as it's a problem likely better solved upstreams, I'd like to push the bug upstreams myself. Is there any recommended or standardized procedure to do so? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/282379 Thanks, Markus / Traumflug - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for restricted drivers policy adjustment
Am 20.11.2008 um 14:29 schrieb Michael Hrabanek: When our voices will be loud enough we can make change and get rid of proprietary drivers. BTW, are those proprietary drivers stored for distribution on a Ubuntu server or are they downloaded from the original source each time? The later should give high download numbers in a place where the vendor would notice. A vendor should really notice how much demand there actually is, perhaps making him think twice about his lock-in. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [strawman] partual support of apps for policykit for Jaunty
Am 20.11.2008 um 16:29 schrieb Martin Pitt: There goes the remaining bit of user/admin separation which we have, and we can just as well have anyone work as root in the first place. Well, if you edit a system file as a normal user, you'd have to provide the password, don't you? That's like vi vs. sudo vi. What we should fix are the *reasons* why users want to edit files as root, instead of making crackful things easier. Most Ubuntu installations are single user probably, so the only user does system administration as well. Differentiating between user and root has two reasons: - prevent him from accidently shooting into his foot - protect against possibly insecure software by running it with user privileges. I hope neither of both gets lost when gedit becomes PolicyKit-aware. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]
Am 14.11.2008 um 03:25 schrieb Scott Kitterman: Perhaps Apport could be taught to roll the dice and return crash reports in some fraction of cases post-release (perhaps 5 or 10 percent). This would help us catch regressions. I don't see a reason why Apport is automatically switched off at some point in time. If a user is enthusiastic enough to run alpha and beta releases (s)he already agrees to Apport's doing, so it would be reasonable to maintain this state beyond the update to the stable release. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
Am 13.11.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Stephan Hermann: But reality told me different. Stephan, your points about the unfortunate truth are valid. Nevertheless, software quality is one of the keys to success. I've just filed the second bug where one of the Gnome applets segfaults in a standard situation. Many developers obviously code really sloppy, a la it worked once in my situation, so it works always in all situations. Some developers even consider a segfault as a normal way to end the execution of an application. This is a more general observation of mine, this is ridiculous. While we can't fix developers, we can put more automatic helpers into place: - Keep Apport enabled even on stable releases. Hiding bugs doesn't help. While this doesn't fix bugs by it's self, it greatly helps to fix them after the fact (and timely educate developers about their practices). Additionally, this opens the door to get some automatic measure about the quality of drivers or other software. Count open bugs and you know what you roughly can expect. If you count too many of them, drop the hardware in the compatibility list. To keep more users happy: - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of the trouble. Ideally, there would be a big regression testing facility, like Wine has one. Each time a Wine developer fixes a bug, he's pushed to create a test for his case. These test cases are run automatically for each commited patch and pretty well avoid introducing a bug a second time. to add my $o.o2, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jaunty open for development
Am 05.11.2008 um 14:08 schrieb Jim Legget: I have a LAN with 9 machines consisting of a mixture of UBUNTU Linux and Windows Vista / XP operating systems. I have found there is too much hand editing of configuration files such as NSSWITCH.CONF, SMB.CONF and others to make it worthwhile. My network is similar, plus a few Macintoshes. On the Ubuntu side, I can't remember to ever have hand-edited some configuration file. NFS, SMB, SSH, all clients work out of the box, after asking for a password. Could you be more specific? Which protocol, client or server, what exactly doesn't work? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions
Am 06.11.2008 um 20:21 schrieb Dan Colish: They're using very different gcc versions between the os's. Well, newer gcc's are meant to produce faster code, aren't they? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: rename system-cleaner-gtk to cruft-remover-gtk
Am 03.11.2008 um 13:35 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: ma, 2008-11-03 kello 12:49 +0100, Markus Hitter kirjoitti: To add my own $ o.o2, I'd very much like to see a tool or Synaptic feature which tells me about the differences between a standard install and the current set of installed packages. That's something cruft-remover could eventually do, too, if people think it is a useful feature. Could you file a wishlist bug against the system-cleaner package about it? Done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-cleaner/+bug/ 293557 MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Version Control
Am 02.11.2008 um 23:00 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: The reason I'm emailing you guys and galls, is to ask if someone recommends any other Version Control System, that can suit my needs of safe guarding my confs as versioning, plus binary files. AFAIK git aint that good, because each commit will store ALL files, and not just the updates. Git will, like any other version control system, store changes only. If you see complete files for each version in git, that's because git is lazy in tidying up it's repository and creates complete files on the fly, as needed. A significant advantage over some of it's competitors is in your case, it works with a single private (.git) directory. Git works here for controlling binary files just fine. Binaries disallow merging, of course. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: rename system-cleaner-gtk to cruft-remover-gtk
Am 03.11.2008 um 11:48 schrieb James Westby:
there is no way to tell the difference between obsolete packages
and locally installed ones.
Doesn't apt-get suggest to auto-remove packages from time to time?
Obviously, the packaging mechanism keeps track of which packages were
installed by user command and which ones solely as a dependency.
To add my own $ o.o2, I'd very much like to see a tool or Synaptic
feature which tells me about the differences between a standard
install and the current set of installed packages. One can purge
package by package until {Synaptic, apt-get,...} wants to remove the
ubuntu-desktop meta-package, but this is tedious, very tedious.
Perhaps this exists already, but I didn't notice yet.
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Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss
Am 29.10.2008 um 20:52 schrieb Phillip Susi: Markus Hitter wrote: Glad to see standby and suspend getting more attention. For the records, I'm even dual-booting two suspended states on the same computer. Using Grub, I can choose wether to resume the suspended (hibernated) Windows XP or the suspended Intrepid. Works like a charm. Just make sure you do not mount any of the same partitions in both OSes. For example, if you mount the windows NTFS partition from Ubuntu while windows is hibernated, it will cause corruption. Actually, Ubuntu's ntfs3g detects this situation and refuses to mount a hibernated volume. I'm not sure about the other way. But there are similar pitfalls, like booting a different kernel (unfortunately doesn't fail). MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss
Am 29.10.2008 um 09:16 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: On Tuesday 28 October 2008 22:44:03 Markus Hitter wrote: Am 28.10.2008 um 18:36 schrieb Chris Coulson: So, it's been running all night waiting for me to respond to a dialog! Yet another reason to use standby or suspend instead of shutdown. ;-) When it works, lol https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/290191 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/288617 Glad to see standby and suspend getting more attention. For the records, I'm even dual-booting two suspended states on the same computer. Using Grub, I can choose wether to resume the suspended (hibernated) Windows XP or the suspended Intrepid. Works like a charm. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10
Am 29.10.2008 um 14:10 schrieb Felix Miata: This isn't the first time here mc has been deemed dispensible. This doesn't surprise me, as mc is a (intentionally old-fashioned) file manager an Nautilus covers this functionality already. One possible way of dealing with the situation is to add a Ubuntu derivate, composed for DOS fans. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 27.10.2008 um 23:26 schrieb Christopher James Halse Rogers: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: ... snip ... Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to the package sources selector accordingly. What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- package? Isn't the contents /etc/apt/apt.conf.d already such a global switch? Quite possible. I didn't know about this so far. it seems like it would be more useful to educate the relevant users about the rich apt configuration options available. If you have to educate people even after they looked for some feature, there's something wrong. Perhaps the feature set of apt friends is richer than it is useful? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 28.10.2008 um 07:19 schrieb Mario Vukelic: shouldn't such users be expected of being capable of reading man apt-get, man apt.conf, man aptitude and the like? I would think so. Those man pages a huge, you can easily fill a day reading and comparing them. And IMHO, reading through those man pages I can't see any options that pop out as useless. The existence of aptitude duplicates a lot of what apt-get can do already. I've yet to find a case where aptitude is actually needed. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss
Am 28.10.2008 um 18:36 schrieb Chris Coulson: So, it's been running all night waiting for me to respond to a dialog! Yet another reason to use standby or suspend instead of shutdown. ;-) MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 24.10.2008 um 16:07 schrieb vidd: In Intrepid (8.10), this behavior has changed. Now recommends are being treated as depends. For the majority of users, this is tolerable. However, for some users, particularly net-device users, low-spec servers, and minimalists, this is a heavy burden. I share this view, there are plenty of situations where you really don't want to waste disk space and/or processor cycles. I have a proposal that would easily remove this burden for the user that wishes to not install recommends by default, and yet easily enable the install recommends for those that want it: Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to the package sources selector accordingly. What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- package? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot times,services and packages
Am 27.10.2008 um 20:11 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:09 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote: Hi all, There are three services which on my system which just take cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe) a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless) b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so useless again) c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS) I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting rid of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might not be a good thing. As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need to search for one at boot time? The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the background. Isn't that what it does? It just starts up the service that watches for a dongle. What's the OP complaining about, then? I must admit, I didn't do my own benchmarks. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Package removals from archive should have email notifications
Am 25.10.2008 um 16:23 schrieb Onkar Shinde: I suggest that package removals should have email notifications, if it is possible, to following people. 1. Last uploader of the package. 2. The email address of last changelog entry. 3. The maintainer team, Ubuntu MOTU in this case. plus 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pain in the butt
Am 17.09.2008 um 15:27 schrieb jude ui: I have treid and used , reinstalled ubuntu many times , I find it a pain to install software WITHOUT THE INTERNET As you are discussing with developers: please go ahead, single out what exactly you have problems with, file a bug for each of the problems at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and start working on them. Your help is appreciated. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: IDEA: Commercial Subscription Repositiory
Am 17.09.2008 um 19:21 schrieb Kevin Fries: Next we create a special package we can call ubuntu-desktop- licensed that will automatically include all of the licensed and commercial software [...] IMHO, forget it. Neither Microsoft nor Apple nor one of the smaller vendors will ever allow to upload their commercial-only binaries to a public place. Even less if it helps users getting away from their products. to provide a Windows-esk experience The only way I can see an advantage is to look into well known places the user owns already, like a Windows installation on a different partition or the rescue disks most computers ship with. It's not so much wether other OSs have better fonts, it's more because you want to look at your older documents with the fonts they were made with. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality
Am 14.09.2008 um 03:32 schrieb Null Ack: Action Item 1: I'm not a developer, but I can help any developers with testing and feedback for enhancements to Apport. Null, your investments in enhancing Apport ist great. Now, a few weeks later, I've learned Apport can map coredumps to readable text already. One of the bugs I've filed shows how things can go wrong: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/260715 Another one went a lot better: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/ 269595 Minutes after I've Apport-reported the later bug, stack traces came out of (apparently) nowhere and within a day, a fix was posted. Short of self-healing applications, this is about as good as one can imagine. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are against the spirit of free software and the GPL, how click-through requirements affect the user experience and about wether Firefox should be replaced with a differently branded equivalent: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13200/ http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13201/ http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13202/ MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
Am 09.09.2008 um 20:31 schrieb Jonathan Carter (highvoltage): Perhaps making the boot-process longer, by loading any non-essential software as late as possible (even long after the user has logged on), but getting the user interface ready as early as possible, should be the target, instead of trying to get everything to complete as soon as possible. This is what Windows XP does already, isn't it? You boot, get automatic login, see the desktop, but essentially have to wait longer to do something useful. The only possible improvement I can see is to make more services launch on demand. That is, move apache and similars into xinetd. For any real enhancement, you'd have to rip stuff out. Like avoiding gdm when using automatic login. Like avoiding to run startup scripts just to find out the service isn't even requested. Just a single $o.o1, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot sequence profiling on first boot
Am 08.09.2008 um 01:05 schrieb Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk: 2008/9/8 Wouter Stomp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just tried the effect of profiling the boot sequence by adding profile to the kernel line in grub, and the effects were amazing! From 1:21 (average of 3 boots) to 58 seconds (again average of 3). I tried it and the speedup was only from 0:37 to 0:34. The system has a month and a half. I don't know much about the boot profiler, but likely, it can influence the time between kernel loading and starting X11 only. On my machine, a fairly recent dual core desktop, most time is used on the other parts: the vendor's BIOS screen, Grub waiting a few seconds for possible user input, X11 and Gnome launching. Nevertheless, a gain of a few seconds is great, considering the boot sequence (hopefully) remains stable and it's a gain on each of millions of computers. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: feedback on new wiki theme
Am 06.09.2008 um 00:00 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 14:31 -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: This is a very nice theme and looks more professional and usable to me. My only complaint is that it's rather narrow on all my computers (widescreen laptop and LCD displays). It looks like we're losing an awful lot of screen real estate. Is it possible to make it a fluid rather than fixed width theme? http://www.ubuntu.com has the same issue. It ends up looking rather cramped on all my computers and more like a blog site (perhaps because of the ubiquity of some of Wordpresses past default themes :-) ). There is one usability issue with letting the content get too wide, however. For me, the content is too wide already. With the new theme I have to scroll sideways. The old theme works better in this regard. The reason is that as the lines get longer, it becomes more difficult to track which line one is reading. Correct. I'll never understand why people find it convenient to have fullscreen (text) windows on a device like 1920 pixels wide. Nevertheless, many people use fullscreen windows, screen sizes vary widely, and the most democratic solution is to avoid the insistence and use variable width rendering for web pages. Helps PDA users a lot as well. my o.o2 MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fehlermeldung
Am 28.08.2008 um 11:58 schrieb Claus Moldehauer: hallo morzilla, For one, this is an english speaking list. Then, Mozilla is written without an r. hoffentlich ist das die richtige adresse. Likely, Ubuntu Users would fit better: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users vor kurzem erschien auf meinem laptop die mitteilung des kostenlosen downladens von morzilla firefox 3. Are you sure you're actually using Ubuntu? With Ubuntu, Update Manager should take care of installing new versions. Have fun, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Drag Window from anywhere in Metacity?
Am 22.08.2008 um 19:16 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: You have to click in the titlebar to move the window. Not having Alt-Click-and-move-from-anywhere is one of my big complaints about Apple's window manager. In Mac OS X, drag-from-anywhere is a feature not of the window manager, but implemented on the widget set level (Cocoa, Carbon). A developer decides at interface design time wether his app has this feature or not. Some developers prefer their app to be drag-from- titlebar-only, others don't. Both types of apps coexist smoothly. To add my $ o.o2 to the Ubuntu discussion: the drag-from-anywhere feature isn't always useful, but as well never gets into the way. I'd drop the requirement to hold down the Alt key. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality
Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack: I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very low hit rate with this working in practice. How about getting this even more automated? Apport would have three buttons: [ Abort ] [ Submit Report only ] [ Allow getting bug fixed ] The third button would not only send the bug report, but replace (apt- get) the standard package with a symbol-equipped equivalent as well. Having a debug version of a package among standard packages hurts only neglible and most users won't even notice. Voi-la, next crash time Apport will come along with a backtrace. 1. The Debug By Default Build. Good idea, but the distro won't fit on the CD any longer. Don't know if this is an issue for developers. 2. The Hybrid Debug Build. Similar, but for technical reasons only some packages are debug builds. Isn't this asking for heated discussions which debugging stuff to include? 3. Extending Investment at the Canonical Test Lab. There is sound and proven arguments I could help to present that demonstrate the cost to fix defects as they progress in the lifecycle, both in terms of monetary costs as well as costs to things like image, future sales and so forth No machine can ever be as unforseeable as a human. Tests would have to be written for every single case (the Wine project does this). Do your arguments hold true if you don't sell anything but support and if the thingy to maintain is the about most complex piece of software in the world (a Linux distro)? 4. Extending The Ubuntu Entry Criteria. This would hobble invention of new packages immediately. As seen with the recent Empathy discussion, new packages don't go straight from the developer's alpha release into the distribution CD anyways. my $ o.o2 MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Call for testing empathy
Am 14.08.2008 um 17:03 schrieb Luke L: Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a stable program in the OS for a release before making it default. Very good idea. Get it integrated into Ubuntu properly for some time, _then_ make it the prominent default tool. This way you can put Empathy on the public schedule for Intrepid+1 (+2?) and add a note there: If you want to test or use this app now, apt-get it into your current Ubuntu. This likely helps to settle Empathy's integration and getting it a lot more testing before it's meant to give those important first impressions of Ubuntu. my $0.02, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Did we really release 8.04?
Am 07.07.2008 um 11:06 schrieb Sebastian Breier: The problem is that even with all the alpha/beta/rc testing available to Ubuntu, the most tests are only done when the release is out. Yes, a lot of alpha-beta-sonstewas Releases are usually available, but also yes, they are well hidden from the interested person. Right now I tried to find downloads and/or upgrade instructions for the next release, but it's almost impossible to find them beginning at the main site. There is a menu Community - Get Involved, but no mention of testing alphas there. The only way to find the download for the next release was to search for Intrepid, a name I found on news sites, but not anywhere on ubuntu.com. So, better to release and fix afterwards... *really* focussing on the bugfixing though, as has been done, *not* focussing on the next release immediately. Yes, this is one possible approach. Another approach I could see would be to make beta testing more prominent. I mean, there are many people out there eager to install the all newest thing, to try it and to test it. What better could an interested in getting involved do but to install the next beta or RC? I'd even go as far as putting betas and release candidates right on the standard download page, right below the current stable release. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Cloned virtual test machines (was: Did we really release 8.04?)
Am 07.07.2008 um 15:12 schrieb Scott Kitterman: There was some discussion at UDS about developing the ability to trivially clone a host machine into a VM so that users could easily test their setups. You can do this already. On the host machine, set aside a spare partition for the OS, and perhaps one for the virtual machine's swap. Setup your virtual machine to use these two partitions (not the entire disk) as raw partitions. The only slight trouble you'll experience is the Master Boot Record / Grub which has to be set in the virtual machine's raw disk description. Then you can clone your OS to this spare partition, unmount it in Ubuntu and launch your preferred virtual machine off it. Exercised with a MS Windows partition and VirtualBox just a few weeks ago. If you want to have the details written down somewhere, please point me to the appropriate place. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Cloned virtual test machines
Am 07.07.2008 um 16:59 schrieb Felix Miata: On 2008/07/07 16:32 (GMT+0200) Markus Hitter apparently typed: Then you can clone your OS to this spare partition, unmount it in Ubuntu and launch your preferred virtual machine off it. I'm well past my 15 partition limit in most of my machines. How to you do it? Only 2-3 distros per machine? This one. Two Ubuntus plus Windows plus a Hackintosh ist enough for me. Sometimes I need to do some production work ;-) MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
Am 05.07.2008 um 00:31 schrieb Przemysław Kulczycki: This would be used to open programs that are not in the menu without having a terminal window open. You pretty much ask for a One-line Terminal putting it's output into some system log files. Example: metacity or compiz crashes Solution: run it again from a run menu item I'm almost tempted to ask what's the point to run software unreliable enough to make this an issue. ;-) More seriously, you really want to use a Terminal in such cases to catch the software's output. Likely, there's something to fix. Bad solution: run it from terminal - you have to keep it open because when you close it you'll close metacity/compiz/whatever you've run in it Adding a nohup in front of the command will allow you to close the Terminal at any time. Just like you'd expect from a run Mini-Terminal. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
The non-evil graphics card
Hello all, probably some of you already read that statement of kernel developers about the opening of graphics drivers: https:// www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Kernel_Driver_Statement Currently I'm using Intel's integrated graphics (G965, G31), but I'm about to upgrade to a real graphics card. Which vendor should I prefer (or stay with the G31) in order to support proper open source graphics drivers? Is there a contraindication if I want to use CUDA-like technologies (I'm doing FEA, CFD) ? Thanks, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
Am 09.06.2008 um 21:40 schrieb Remco: How are their users going to learn about free file formats, and why it is important? For them it's not even important anymore, because they can play it anyway. This continues the ruling of the proprietary codec organizations. While this problem ist hard to tackle for the reasons you wrote, at least one solution exists: open source software has to be better than proprietary software. Better means more attractive to the user, more attractive to the vendor (of audio, video,...). If you look at GNU command line tools like ls, tar, ps, rsync, gzip, ... for all these the GNU version is the most often used version - likely because it's the most attractive choice. I consider Firefox 3 to be a sample in the GUI world and it's market share is impressive - considering almost every computer in the world is shipped with another browser. Looking at Firefox or at Apple's iTunes, the solution to make people more aware of attractive, free software and/or formats is clearly to port it to the foreign OS - which is done often already. Sure, such strategies become more difficult with the current direction Web 2.0 evolves - but not impossible at all. As for the video format on canonical's site - it's pretty easy to offer a free format for Linux users while sending another format for other OSs/Browsers. This way Canonical would at least avoid being the culprit yet another user has installed a questionable codec. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Making Canonical's/Ubuntu's contributions more visible
Am 04.06.2008 um 17:11 schrieb John McCabe-Dansted: In principle, developing could be as simple as doing dev edit package-name finding whatever you wanted to change, perhaps changing a constant like MAX_COL from 80 to 160 in your favourite editor, doing a dev test-sandbox, and perhaps a dev install. Then when the next apt-get update is run it could be smart enough to use apt-get source and merge the changes into the new version, unless conflicts arise. Often I find that after finally fixing a problem, I've run out of time and have to move onto something else. Perhaps then there could be run a simple dev share command which would the developer to, at their leisure, annotate each of their patches and upload them somewhere others could re-use and comment on them. Presumably apport should also make note of what patches are in use, and bug reports with patches could have a test this patch in a sandbox option and ... Now, _that_ would be a great thing. Instead of trying to find out how each package's build system is intended to work, one would go ahead, dive into the source and fix actual problems. Wether and how the package's development group picks up such patches is another question, but having a patch and perhaps a few lines of comments should be a real booster for upstream's code quality. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New motherboard not supported by Ubuntu
Am 02.06.2008 um 18:09 schrieb Thomas Novin: I bought a new motherboard a couple of weeks ago and ever since I have +3 mins of bootup time and also my DVD reader/writer isn't available at all. This is a brand new mobo model? I'd say you're in luck it works at all. Myself, I didn't always have this luck. Anyone with a suggestion for a fix / workaround? Does suspend and/or hibernate work better? Shutting down a computer completely is so last century ;-) As for the fix - well, you're invited to narrow down the source of the problem yourself. Try with different options of the Install-CD's F6 menu, locate the point of trouble, recompile the corresponding piece of software, debug it ... Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Should default keyboard be based on location?
Am 24.05.2008 um 22:20 schrieb Evan: While living in Germany might point towards the use of a german- layout keyboard, any decision really depends on what percent of German users actually use german-layout keyboards. Calculate with some 99%. Every PC offered comes with a german keyboard by default and only few vendors allow to change to an english layout. This holds true for even smaller markets like german- speaking switzerland. However, it is my guess that the standard US-English layout is common enough that it makes sense to leave this as-is. The reason, germans don't scream is, characters are almost the same on the german vs. the english keyboard. Punctuation ()§$ is totally different, though and then, there are umlauts ... many people can't type their name on a english layout correctly. Hope that helps, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ars Technica discusses Ubuntu's release strategy
Ars Technica, a news site well known not only to Macintosh enthusiasts, discusses Ubuntu's time-centric release strategy: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080521-why-linux-isnt-yet- ready-for-synchronized-release-cycles.html I wonder why there is so much emhasis on releases at all. For me, releases are just a bundle of changes in fashion. Prefer Gnome 2.2 over Gnome 2.0, prefer ext3 over ext2 and so on. Nevertheless, any set of installed packages should work, dependencies take care of impossible combinations. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
Am 16.05.2008 um 13:05 schrieb Milosz Derezynski: Furthermore, does anyone know how OS X and/or other operating systems handle this issue? On Mac OS X, you can happily create files with names Windows Explorer can't read. Recently it happened to me with a filename with a plain space(!) as the last character. Samba not allowing/normalizing such filenames is i think a good hint that it shouldn't be considered sane to write such filenames to a FAT directory structure. Well, Samba it's self doesn't name or create files. Samba provides whatever the served file system contains. This is fine, as it can be used to copy files from one Linux machine to another Linux box. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
