Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
I hope mono wins On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote: obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like neighborlee when they speak of the dangers of MONO We're mostly students, I think. Computer science, engineering, law, and an ex-mod is a botany student. There's also a guy that works on Xorg for Canonical. I'm both a student and (for my job) working on some open source software that's as old as the GNU project itself. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Paige Adele Thompson Mobile: 206-446-630 E-mail/GTalk: erra...@devel.ws -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
You're welcome David, anytime you want to set yourself up for that go for it. I can't promise I'll be here to hand your ass to you after you've so carelessly lost track of it, unfortunately. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM, David Schlesinger david.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: I want to thank Paige for taking advantage of my out of the office advisory to share her generally childish behavior with my manager, off-list. We had a good laugh over that one, thanks. No jobs available for you right now, Paige, sorry, but feel free to send a resume when you get to be eleven or so, hm? __Sent from my Steve-Phone On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:26, Paige Thompson erra...@devel.ws wrote: well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Schlesinger david.schlesin...@access-company.com david.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick around like this. Er, _what_? I'm afraid I'm unable to work out the relevance of this comment to that message. Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm actually still on sabbatical this week, so to be technical, I'm getting paid to _relax_. Watching my inbox filling up with the same nonsensical Mono is a Microsoft plot to take over Linux, and Miguel and the gang are actually undercover shills for Steve Ballmer flamewar, instigated yet _again_ on this list by Mark Fink, is harshing my mellow... Personally, I think you have to bend over backwards to suggest that Miguel (and the rest of the folks) have not contributed _immeasurably_ over the years to free software. As for Mono apps, as a photographer, I like F-Stop and I use it. Nautilus might work for some folks, but with literally hundred and thousands of photos to sort through, that won't work for me. If someone wants to come up with a credible non-Mono replacement for that, and _then_ argue that F-Stop should be removed, fine. But please don't tell me, in effect, that I should use LaTex instead of Open Office to do all my documents because a) OO can save things in MS Word format, and that's evil, or patented, or something, and b) that LaTex works fine for _you_... The solution I see here is that Mark Fink and Remco and others who feel similarly find some other distribution more to their tastes than Ubuntu. And if Mark Shuttleworth wants or doesn't want something in Ubuntu, he's more than capable of saying so, he doesn't need folks attempting to channel him here... -- Paige Adele Thompson Mobile: 206-446-630 E-mail/GTalk: erra...@devel.wserra...@devel.ws -- Paige Adele Thompson Mobile: 206-446-630 E-mail/GTalk: erra...@devel.ws -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick around like this. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older than GTK+, Qt, C, C++, and Python. We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included in Ubuntu. It's not? When did that happen? $ apt-cache policy wine wine: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages -- derek Oh, so now Ubuntu also comes with Windows Media, H.264 and DivX? You can find those in the repositories as well. Maybe we should call MPEG-LA that there is big patent infringement going on here... Of course not. The repositories are not part of the default install, and should not be treated as such. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Paige Adele Thompson Mobile: 206-446-630 E-mail/GTalk: erra...@devel.ws -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Schlesinger david.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick around like this. Er, _what_? I'm afraid I'm unable to work out the relevance of this comment to that message. Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm actually still on sabbatical this week, so to be technical, I'm getting paid to _relax_. Watching my inbox filling up with the same nonsensical Mono is a Microsoft plot to take over Linux, and Miguel and the gang are actually undercover shills for Steve Ballmer flamewar, instigated yet _again_ on this list by Mark Fink, is harshing my mellow... Personally, I think you have to bend over backwards to suggest that Miguel (and the rest of the folks) have not contributed _immeasurably_ over the years to free software. As for Mono apps, as a photographer, I like F-Stop and I use it. Nautilus might work for some folks, but with literally hundred and thousands of photos to sort through, that won't work for me. If someone wants to come up with a credible non-Mono replacement for that, and _then_ argue that F-Stop should be removed, fine. But please don't tell me, in effect, that I should use LaTex instead of Open Office to do all my documents because a) OO can save things in MS Word format, and that's evil, or patented, or something, and b) that LaTex works fine for _you_... The solution I see here is that Mark Fink and Remco and others who feel similarly find some other distribution more to their tastes than Ubuntu. And if Mark Shuttleworth wants or doesn't want something in Ubuntu, he's more than capable of saying so, he doesn't need folks attempting to channel him here... -- Paige Adele Thompson Mobile: 206-446-630 E-mail/GTalk: erra...@devel.ws -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
I sorry, just wanted to be a part of the lols On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless. The appropriate response at that point is to say, I was wrong, not to try to switch to a completely different argument in mid-stream. Nobody's come within a parsec of suggesting that the codecs you mention should be part of the default install. I guess you're really not getting my point. I was actually trying to let you work that one out by comparing it to the codecs. That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. The non-free Codecs _aren't_ in Ubuntu repositories, Wine is. You're arguing semantics. I don't care about semantics. Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while dismissing perfectly valid arguments. What's your argument against my position? That I maybe made a semantic cock-up in a throwaway comparison? That's a great one... How does that relate to Mono? The codecs are not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed, No, they are not. The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu at all. Show me where they exist in the repositories. Wine is in the repos. If the codecs are not in the repos, then I'm amazed as to how they got onto my system. Clearly, the ffmpeg project (yeah, universe) doesn't exist. Besides, how is the exact location of the codecs relevant? I can install them in the same way as I install Wine. Wine isn't installed because Mark Shuttleworth doesn't want Ubuntu to be cheap Windows: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/1220219 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230 Excuse me, but when did slashdot become an authoritative source of knowledge of the workings of Mark Shuttleworth's mind (or of anything else, for that matter). In any case, the first of those simply says Wine won't be preinstalled on Dell minis, and the second is even more vague - it says that Shuttleworth isn't staking the future of Ubuntu on Wine. Neither one says that Ubuntu will ever _not_ include Wine. Slashdot is not the source. Look one click further and you'll find the actual source. You just fell in the same trap as the Wikipedia naysayers. It's just easy reference. And if you don't want to see this as the motivation for not including Wine, then so be it. I think it's pretty clear why Wine is not supposed to be on the default install. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Paige Adele Thompson Mobile: 206-446-630 E-mail/GTalk: erra...@devel.ws -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
