Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 11:25:35AM -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 7:34 AM, Ped [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From forum post I learned the sagem modem *did* work in 5.xx ubuntu (probably 2.4 kernel with eagle-usb driver) right after install, but when I did install 6.10 first time on my PC, it took me 5 days to connect to internet finally. The reason is probably 2.6 kernel no more working with old eagle-usb (so far perfectly understandable), and while the 6.10 (7.04 and 7.10 too) does contain newer ueagle-usb driver, it's not functional! FYI, Ubuntu has always used a 2.6 kernel; note http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu For the historians: we actually originally planned to offer 2.4 as an extra for heavy-duty server users, and Ubuntu 4.10 had 2.4 kernels in universe. (At some point before release - possibly before we went public, I'm not certain - they were even in main.) See e.g.: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-October/000419.html We never supported installation with 2.4, though, and we dropped it entirely in Ubuntu 5.04. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
On Dec 3, 2007 7:34 AM, Ped [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From forum post I learned the sagem modem *did* work in 5.xx ubuntu (probably 2.4 kernel with eagle-usb driver) right after install, but when I did install 6.10 first time on my PC, it took me 5 days to connect to internet finally. The reason is probably 2.6 kernel no more working with old eagle-usb (so far perfectly understandable), and while the 6.10 (7.04 and 7.10 too) does contain newer ueagle-usb driver, it's not functional! FYI, Ubuntu has always used a 2.6 kernel; note http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
Once the new linux kernel (2.6.24) is included, I think your problems will be solved :) - Original Message From: bruyere.ronald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 6:16:35 PM Subject: Hardy Alpha 1 released Dear Sir, I am a fan of this Linux distribution since years ago but since the version 7.04, I am disappointed because the wifi module in my mobile computer isn't recognised I hoped with the Hardy Alpha, my Atheros Wifi module be recognised but once again, it isn't ! Could you help me ? Will you think to integrate the madwifi module in the Hardy Ubuntu 8.04 ? As soon as there will be a version which will find ma Atheros wifi network, I'll use you distribution again !!! Just one distribution recognise my version, it is a Mandrake Linux but I would prefer largely your distribution !!! Good Luck Yours Faithfully Ronald Bruyère A belgian Microsoft Windows and Linux OS's user J'utilise BullGuard afin de maintenir propre mon ordinateur. Essayez gratuitement BullGuard: www.bullguard.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping-- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
Hello all, I am a fan of this Linux distribution since years ago but since the version 7.04, I am disappointed because the wifi module in my mobile computer isn't recognised I hoped with the Hardy Alpha, my Atheros Wifi module be recognised but once again, it isn't ! I'm using kubuntu only for a year and something (since 6.10), but I'm using it on a bit obsolete/obscure hardware, one of the devices is USB ADSL modem SAGEM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 800, second is linksys RT61 WiFi card (I'm not sure about type and can't check it right now). From forum post I learned the sagem modem *did* work in 5.xx ubuntu (probably 2.4 kernel with eagle-usb driver) right after install, but when I did install 6.10 first time on my PC, it took me 5 days to connect to internet finally. The reason is probably 2.6 kernel no more working with old eagle-usb (so far perfectly understandable), and while the 6.10 (7.04 and 7.10 too) does contain newer ueagle-usb driver, it's not functional! So to make it work I had not only to compile working version of the driver, I had also to hunt the wrong files in kernel modules, and I have to delete/rename them every time the kernel is updated. Very very unconvenient and probably so much confusing for ordinary user that he will not get trough it. (I'm personally programmer, so I *can* do these things by myself eventually, if I invest *enough* of my *time* into it) After some time my friend lend me WiFi RT61 card so he can connect to my computer and I can share my internet connection with him. Guess what?! Yes, the driver is included in 6.10, but again it's not working correctly (although it may look so on first sight, as it reports itself as working, but the connection works only occasionally and only for short time). Enlightened from my USB modem experience I did firstly check how-tos on internet, so I was well prepared for this behavior, downloaded source, compiled fresh working driver, and now it works. Couple of days ago I tried to install 7.10. The modem is still dead after install, so I took the learned route of driver compilation. Guess what?! In the /etc/ppp/options the auth option has been changed to noauth, so the 6.10 way of doing things with old configuration files didn't work at first. (somehow I got the idea to do diff on options file as a first step in troubleshooting, so this little change of Ubuntu team took me only couple additional minutes to discover) Now it works almost as good as in 6.10 (well, not as good, but that's due to some improvements in the driver source itself, I didn't have time to fight with those yet and it's not [k]ubuntu related anyway). I didn't even try the WiFi card yet, but from some boot-up messages I think it's not working properly again, so another driver compilation is ahead of me very likely. The story with 7.04 was pretty much the same, except the bonus of my mic not working in Skype. As I was lazy to pay more time to troubleshoot it, I have no idea what/where went wrong. I hope when I will try it in 7.10 it will work ok, otherwise I will have to finally nail it down. The moral of my story? If you don't have skills to compile drivers for yourself on daily basis and resolve all potentional unexpected problems, don't use distribution where everything doesn't work right from the start. Even ordinary user can successfuly compile the drivers thanks to great Ubuntu community and forums/wikis, but in the end it may backfire on him in ugly way, if he's not aware for example that the installation of kernel update may brake the already working things. So I would not recommend any ordinary user to bother with it. It also means that upgrading your distribution every 6months can be quite dangerous without trying it out firstly from liveCD. (Imagine ordinary user with working usb modem upgrading to fresh ubuntu, leaving him without internet connection after restart, and with no sane undo option ... connect this with the default ubuntu install putting /home on the same partition with system, i.e. no easy reinstall of system without losing user data) And finally I feel the newer versions of Ubuntu do have worser (obsolete/old) HW support than the previous ones. I see there's been lot of work done on accelerated desktop, notebooks support, etc.. and the Ubuntu8.04 will work probably great on almost-new HW which is in focus of developers. But from my experience it feels like those who don't want to upgrade HW so often are left behind on their own, with such regressions. I especially dislike the inclusion of non-working drivers. I would love to see the Ubuntu team to cruise a bit trough forums/wikis to discover such pieces and either completely remove it from kernel or fix it, so it will not confuse people. So while I feel sorry with the original mail author, I suggest firstly to search trough launchpad and to report it as bug, secondly if it is not fixed, either you will have to fix it up by yourself every time you install
Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
cher ronald, tu peux voir ta reponse chez http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, au revoir 2007/12/2, bruyere.ronald [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Sir, I am a fan of this Linux distribution since years ago but since the version 7.04, I am disappointed because the wifi module in my mobile computer isn't recognised I hoped with the Hardy Alpha, my Atheros Wifi module be recognised but once again, it isn't ! Could you help me ? Will you think to integrate the madwifi module in the Hardy Ubuntu 8.04 ? As soon as there will be a version which will find ma Atheros wifi network, I'll use you distribution again !!! Just one distribution recognise my version, it is a Mandrake Linux but I would prefer largely your distribution !!! Good Luck Yours Faithfully Ronald Bruyère A belgian Microsoft Windows and Linux OS's user J'utilise BullGuard afin de maintenir propre mon ordinateur. Essayez gratuitement BullGuard: www.bullguard.comhttp://www.bullguard.com/tracking.aspx?affiliate=bullguardbuyaffiliate=smtpurl=download.aspx -- ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released
The moral of my story? If you don't have skills to compile drivers for yourself on daily basis and resolve all potentional unexpected problems, don't use distribution where everything doesn't work right from the start. Given that I went to the trouble of reading this lengthy email, I thought I would reply. The reason that Alpha releases are made is so that the more competent computer users can test that things work. If you report bugs, these things get fixed. I do not ever compile kernel modules. There have been occasions where hardware that used to work correctly stops working. I report these early in the release cycle (often marked [Regression]) and the problems are nearly always fixed by release time. Aaron -- FSF Associate Member: 5632 http://www.fsf.org -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
