Re: Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dylan McCall wrote on 03/06/08 16:06: On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 16:33 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: ... Am Dienstag, den 03.06.2008, 07:21 -0700 schrieb Dylan McCall: Power Management Preferences has been needlessly crippled. The sliders to control when the computer sleeps and when the display sleeps all have a lower limit of 21 minutes. ... Aha! Sorry about the double post. Just realized that the minimum is idle time + 1 minute, which probably makes sense somewhere. (Except for the 1 minute part?!). Still, the fact that this basic setting of timers needed research to figure out suggests a need for some reorganizing. Firstly, idle time should be set in gnome-power-preferences, not just gnome-screensaver-preferences, if it has such a widespread impact. Furthermore, I think it is problematic that the idle time cannot be set differently for when on battery as opposed to when on AC power, again because of its tie to screensaver time. Perhaps this would make more sense if idle did not automatically trigger the screensaver, instead with another timer to handle that. Come to think of it, I am also a little confused by what idle means here. There is dim display when idle, which seems to have an opinion of its own for when idle is, dimming the screen after what seems a few seconds of inactivity. It does not wait for the idle time that everything else seems to be tethered to. This is all assuming idle time + 1 actually makes sense infrastructure-wise. I am assuming here that we somehow need gnome-screensaver to trigger these actions. If not, what of use does idle do, anyway, other than control the controls? ... So if you have the Power Management Preferences open, and you want to set your computer to go to sleep sooner than the screensaver is currently set to begin, you need to (1) open the Screensaver Preferences, (2) reduce the Regard the computer as idle after: value to something less than the time you want the computer to go to sleep, (3) switch back to the Power Management Preferences, and (4) change the Put the computer to sleep when inactive for. That's rather silly. The Regard the computer as idle after: slider is an example of a needless abstraction. I don't need help from a slider to regard my computer as idle. You're a lazy, slovenly computer who has never done anyone any good! See? Worked perfectly. Anyway, this is reported upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427815 Cheers - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRmJt6PUxNfU6ecoRAoTaAKCzjhs4VwACXmAXcbnS/aMCb9XrDwCfd+Ey 4cPaIiYgjiJT7GDU0HAzQLM= =JF/n -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
hi, Am Dienstag, den 03.06.2008, 07:21 -0700 schrieb Dylan McCall: Power Management Preferences has been needlessly crippled. The sliders to control when the computer sleeps and when the display sleeps all have a lower limit of 21 minutes. do you have gnome-screensaver installed ? thats no downstream patching thats the default behavior if gnome-screenasver has a 20min limit set we never touched that area of either gss or gpm. ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
John Williams' blog post [1] about the horrible usability breakage in the Computer failed to suspend popup reminded me of some other downstream changes to GNOME Power Manager that appear, frankly, to have been done entirely as busy work and do absolutely nothing for usability. Power Management Preferences has been needlessly crippled. The sliders to control when the computer sleeps and when the display sleeps all have a lower limit of 21 minutes. How is that in any way power saving if the display stays on for 21 minutes before switching off while on battery? In base GNOME, there is no such bottom limit; the user is given full control. If anything, the extra control is healthy for usability. That bottom limit confused me and, if I ran on battery more often, would have had me on a very long quest for answers. I guess the point of this writing is as follows: What's with the change? Bye, -Dylan M [1] http://gnomerocksmyworld.blogspot.com/2008/06/rtfm.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 16:33 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, Am Dienstag, den 03.06.2008, 07:21 -0700 schrieb Dylan McCall: Power Management Preferences has been needlessly crippled. The sliders to control when the computer sleeps and when the display sleeps all have a lower limit of 21 minutes. do you have gnome-screensaver installed ? thats no downstream patching thats the default behavior if gnome-screenasver has a 20min limit set we never touched that area of either gss or gpm. ciao oli Aha! Sorry about the double post. Just realized that the minimum is idle time + 1 minute, which probably makes sense somewhere. (Except for the 1 minute part?!). Still, the fact that this basic setting of timers needed research to figure out suggests a need for some reorganizing. Firstly, idle time should be set in gnome-power-preferences, not just gnome-screensaver-preferences, if it has such a widespread impact. Furthermore, I think it is problematic that the idle time cannot be set differently for when on battery as opposed to when on AC power, again because of its tie to screensaver time. Perhaps this would make more sense if idle did not automatically trigger the screensaver, instead with another timer to handle that. Come to think of it, I am also a little confused by what idle means here. There is dim display when idle, which seems to have an opinion of its own for when idle is, dimming the screen after what seems a few seconds of inactivity. It does not wait for the idle time that everything else seems to be tethered to. This is all assuming idle time + 1 actually makes sense infrastructure-wise. I am assuming here that we somehow need gnome-screensaver to trigger these actions. If not, what of use does idle do, anyway, other than control the controls? Bye, -Dylan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
do you have gnome-screensaver installed ? thats no downstream patching thats the default behavior if gnome-screenasver has a 20min limit set we never touched that area of either gss or gpm. Hrm, could have sworn I saw that in vanilla GNOME. Thanks, Oliver. Good thing I didn't file a bug yet, then! (And to clarify, just in case, I am looking at gnome-power-preferences). Bye, -Dylan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Weird downstream Power Manager changes?
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 08:06 -0700, Dylan McCall a écrit : Aha! Sorry about the double post. Just realized that the minimum is idle time + 1 minute, which probably makes sense somewhere. (Except for the 1 minute part?!). Still, the fact that this basic setting of timers needed research to figure out suggests a need for some reorganizing. Firstly, idle time should be set in gnome-power-preferences, not just gnome-screensaver-preferences, if it has such a widespread impact. Furthermore, I think it is problematic that the idle time cannot be set differently for when on battery as opposed to when on AC power, again because of its tie to screensaver time. Perhaps this would make more sense if idle did not automatically trigger the screensaver, instead with another timer to handle that. I'm sure I read a proposal by somebody working on this in GNOME - but I cannot find where. The chances are you'll land in 2.24 with all those settings on the same preferences tab. I can't check it though, but maybe you'll be able to locate this document. Regards -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
