Re: ntfs-3g - mount defaults

2010-07-01 Thread Dane Mutters
I'm glad you brought this up, Milan.  I have been dealing with
annoyances from this issue for several years now.  (More reply text is
in-line.)

On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 01:28 +0200, Milan Niznansky wrote:
 Hi all,
   presently, default mount options for ntfs-3g are:
 ... gid=46,umask=007 ...
 
 This has (common user) usability consequences:
 1) it disables silent option
 2) it activates default_permissions option
 See http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/
 
 
 When a user attempts to copy files from ext filesystem to NTFS mounted
 with this option, he is very likely to be greeted with a huge ammount of
 ntfs-3g error messages as the silent behavior is suppressed.
 
 When user then searches for the problem, most solutions navigate him to
 create and configure .NTFS-3G/UserMapper.
 Getting that file right is several levels beyond getting /etc/fstab
 right manually for a casual user...
 
 
 I would suggest both gid and umask options be removed for desktop
 releases.

I believe that this would be preferable to the current options, both for
the reasons mentioned, and also because on a typical Desktop system (at
least in my experience), having to deal with permissions on NTFS
filesystems from Linux is really a pain at times, and seems entirely
unnecessary.

From the tuxera.com link above:

By default, files and directories are owned by the effective user and
group of the mounting process and everybody has full read, write,
execution and directory browsing permissions. You can also assign
permissions to a single user by using the uid and/or the gid options
together with the umask, or fmask and dmask options.
Doing so, Windows users have full access to the files created by
ntfs-3g.

It seems that this would make sharing and dual booting less of a hassle.

 
 User mapping is of limited use for basic dual-boot filesharing and
 requires extensive maintenance for correct operation.
 Also, the preferred way to create UserMapper is from within Windows
 which is by no means intuitive.
 
 
 Hopefully, I am not duplicating this.
 
 Regards,
 Milan
 
 


--Dane



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ntfs-3g - mount defaults

2010-06-29 Thread Milan Niznansky
Hi all,
  presently, default mount options for ntfs-3g are:
... gid=46,umask=007 ...

This has (common user) usability consequences:
1) it disables silent option
2) it activates default_permissions option
See http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/


When a user attempts to copy files from ext filesystem to NTFS mounted
with this option, he is very likely to be greeted with a huge ammount of
ntfs-3g error messages as the silent behavior is suppressed.

When user then searches for the problem, most solutions navigate him to
create and configure .NTFS-3G/UserMapper.
Getting that file right is several levels beyond getting /etc/fstab
right manually for a casual user...


I would suggest both gid and umask options be removed for desktop
releases.

User mapping is of limited use for basic dual-boot filesharing and
requires extensive maintenance for correct operation.
Also, the preferred way to create UserMapper is from within Windows
which is by no means intuitive.


Hopefully, I am not duplicating this.

Regards,
Milan


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