Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-07-12 Thread lloyd
Jeff Black wrote:
Specifically, we are looking for a controlled and open-source solution
to distribute critical updates to our Win boxes without using IIS (which
is required by SUS) or, in general, a Win server to host those updates.
this is what turned me off to SUS as well (not to mention that it's a 
microsoft product).

what i would love to see is some tools and discussion of maintaining 
windows workstations *after* they've been deployed, and workstation 
management techniques that have a minimum of reliance on MS tools.

eg, automatically updating mozilla installations, installing a new 
package on all workstations (ideally, in a way that handles 
heterogenously configured machines), etc

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Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-07-10 Thread Matt Disney
Ok, this is a bit of a premature announcement, but since it came up...
My team is working on an open source alternative to SUS. That is, an 
open source client/server package that will automatically download 
Windows updates from Microsoft and allow clients to pull those updates 
from the server.

I should note that this effort shares certain philosophical points with 
Unattended and I believe it will complement Unattended very well. 
However, it is not being created as a plugin or extension to Unattended. 
Specifically, we are looking for a controlled and open-source solution 
to distribute critical updates to our Win boxes without using IIS (which 
is required by SUS) or, in general, a Win server to host those updates. 
And so we need something that will work beyond install-time for Windows. 
It will be very possible to couple this or perhaps include it in 
Unattended (that's not a request, just a musing), but it is being 
created as a stand-alone project.

There are already some other free (as in beer) alternatives to SUS 
available but I haven't found one yet that suits our needs. If anyone 
has any solutions or works-in-progress you think we should take into 
account, I welcome the feedback. Also, I don't intend for this project 
to derail or replace any ongoing efforts to potentially improve Windows 
update mechanisms with Unattended, I just thought it was relevant enough 
that I should mention it.

You can expect an alpha announcement within a month.
Thanks,
Matt Disney
IT Administrator
Electrical and Computer Engineering
University of Tennessee
Steven Piercy wrote:
OK - the sus server sounds cool; that is, if you have another 700mhz 
win2k box w/ 6gigs of diskspace floating around. I dont - so I have to 
ask the next logical question.

Why not just use wget or another web puller to grab the updates (if 
needed) on the fly with each unattended run?

I figure since the url and patch path is in each script, and we are 
using perl (cpan updates d/l with wget), and all the update urls are 
usually updated in each patch/app bat file (dang - even use wget to pull 
the newest cvs script too!) - so is there a reason this hasn't been done?

Ok, don't expect a patch from me... only ideas (besides, you wouldn't 
want to see my perl code anyway!).

---start pseudo *wannabe coder* code---
#all this code would run fully integrated with the current linux boot 
process - (may have to run the wget stuff before jumping into memdisk)
add the wget perl stuff like cpan uses - or run it standalone (must be 
auto'd)
-now parse the urls from whatever bat file ur about to work with
--check if patch path/patch or app path/app.exe exsists --- if so 
move on
--if not, pull it with wget and drop it in its place (this will require 
write permissions of the unattend user to the //install/share tree - i 
dunno if that is wise or if its already that way?)
--else if - unable to get app/patch  -  skip it or cry and complain - 
maybe move to next bat? w/o adding to todo.pl
-add it to todo.pl
-end loop for app/patch in question - move to next app/patch
(remember to keep app paths and patch paths aligned) --sorry, that 
should be 'packages' and 'updates'
---end my looser goofed up psesorta code---

So my implementation is ugly, thats why im not goin to put in a patch. 
And like I said, i'm not sure if you want to pull the updates before the 
dosemu or not? I guess that would be if a wget perl mod could work from 
in dosemu, you could just check each update when working on that bat 
file. But this would basicly add sus functionality to unattended - just 
make sure your unattended box has plenty of room for updates. All the 
while saving your precious bandwidth

I think this would be great for free apps too, like 7-zip and Adobe 
Reader, because I'm sick of d/l'in all of them by hand. (there is a 
possiblility that I'm just stupid and haven't noticed an easier way)

Please let me know, anyone, if you can whip up some quick code that 
would do this clean. I must sound like a dog chasing his tail. Did I 
catch it?
Thx,
-Steven


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RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-07-10 Thread Jeff Black
 Ok, this is a bit of a premature announcement, but since it came up...
 
 My team is working on an open source alternative to SUS. That is, an
 open source client/server package that will automatically download
 Windows updates from Microsoft and allow clients to pull those updates
 from the server.


If these are the only requirements then it seems squid does a VERY good 
job of this already. If you need to FILTER the hotfixes / updates then 
squid may or may not work in your situation. I have never downloaded a
ms update twice, its cached locally after the 1st workstation downloads 
it, even months later another workstation just pulls that same update from
the squid cache. In my case it's a squid transparent cache so the client 
isn't even aware that it is using squid

 
 I should note that this effort shares certain philosophical points with
 Unattended and I believe it will complement Unattended very well.
 However, it is not being created as a plugin or extension to Unattended.
 Specifically, we are looking for a controlled and open-source solution
 to distribute critical updates to our Win boxes without using IIS (which
 is required by SUS) or, in general, a Win server to host those updates.
 And so we need something that will work beyond install-time for Windows.
 It will be very possible to couple this or perhaps include it in
 Unattended (that's not a request, just a musing), but it is being
 created as a stand-alone project.

Will you be attempting to use the MS Windows Update v4 (5?) ActiveX Control 
or will you have your own solution to pick/install updates on the client side?

Something that could be used transparently to filter the updates would be $

 
 There are already some other free (as in beer) alternatives to SUS
 available but I haven't found one yet that suits our needs. If anyone
 has any solutions or works-in-progress you think we should take into
 account, I welcome the feedback. Also, I don't intend for this project
 to derail or replace any ongoing efforts to potentially improve Windows
 update mechanisms with Unattended, I just thought it was relevant enough
 that I should mention it.
 
 You can expect an alpha announcement within a month.
 
 Thanks,
 Matt Disney
 IT Administrator
 Electrical and Computer Engineering
 University of Tennessee





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RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-07-09 Thread Steven Piercy
OK - the sus server sounds cool; that is, if you have another 700mhz 
win2k box w/ 6gigs of diskspace floating around. I dont - so I have to 
ask the next logical question.

Why not just use wget or another web puller to grab the updates (if 
needed) on the fly with each unattended run?

I figure since the url and patch path is in each script, and we are 
using perl (cpan updates d/l with wget), and all the update urls are 
usually updated in each patch/app bat file (dang - even use wget to pull 
the newest cvs script too!) - so is there a reason this hasn't been done?

Ok, don't expect a patch from me... only ideas (besides, you wouldn't 
want to see my perl code anyway!).

---start pseudo *wannabe coder* code---
#all this code would run fully integrated with the current linux boot 
process - (may have to run the wget stuff before jumping into memdisk)
add the wget perl stuff like cpan uses - or run it standalone (must be 
auto'd)
-now parse the urls from whatever bat file ur about to work with
--check if patch path/patch or app path/app.exe exsists --- if so 
move on
--if not, pull it with wget and drop it in its place (this will require 
write permissions of the unattend user to the //install/share tree - i 
dunno if that is wise or if its already that way?)
--else if - unable to get app/patch  -  skip it or cry and complain - 
maybe move to next bat? w/o adding to todo.pl
-add it to todo.pl
-end loop for app/patch in question - move to next app/patch
(remember to keep app paths and patch paths aligned) --sorry, that 
should be 'packages' and 'updates'
---end my looser goofed up psesorta code---

So my implementation is ugly, thats why im not goin to put in a patch. 
And like I said, i'm not sure if you want to pull the updates before the 
dosemu or not? I guess that would be if a wget perl mod could work from 
in dosemu, you could just check each update when working on that bat 
file. But this would basicly add sus functionality to unattended - just 
make sure your unattended box has plenty of room for updates. All the 
while saving your precious bandwidth

I think this would be great for free apps too, like 7-zip and Adobe 
Reader, because I'm sick of d/l'in all of them by hand. (there is a 
possiblility that I'm just stupid and haven't noticed an easier way)

Please let me know, anyone, if you can whip up some quick code that 
would do this clean. I must sound like a dog chasing his tail. Did I 
catch it?
Thx,
-Steven

Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
* From: imdos
* Subject: Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
* Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:32:55 -0700
Maybe it is a possibility to set up an SUS-server www.susserver.com and
to point your workstations to there. Then u can be sure all the updates
will be installed.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
 WUServer=http://SUSServer.Company.com;;
 WUStatusServer=http://SUSServer.Company.com
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
 AUOptions=dword:0004
 NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers=dword:0001
 NoAutoUpdate=dword:
 RescheduleWaitTime=dword:0001
 ScheduledInstallDay=dword:
 ScheduledInstallTime=dword:0004
 UseWUServer=dword:0001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto 

Update]
 AUOptions=dword:0004
 AUState=dword:0002
reg delete
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto
Update\LastWaitTimeout /force nul
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto 

Update]
 ScheduledInstallDate=2002.09.27 04:00:00
 Rescheduled=dword:0001
With this there is also an overview of which client has (allready)
upgraded.
imdos
On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 18:49, John Lilley wrote:
 True. But bandwidth isn't really an issue where I work and by it's
 nature the script is out of date in a few days after it's release. It
 would be one less script to manage. I guess I could allow the script to
 update (saving bandwidth) and run auto update to finish up the job. :)

 thanks,

 john


 Mangano, Aron wrote:
  You could do this, but why would you as it would cost you 
bandwidth and
  dollars etc :-)
 
  Pats way is far superior as you only need to download the updates and
  hotfixes once etc.
 
  Aron
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Lilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 3:57 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
 
  Hey Everyone,
 
  I was wondering if its possible to run auto update automatically 
after
  the last reboot to install all critical patches instead of using the
  winxp-update.bat? I've set todo.pl auconfig.pl 4 in base.bat but 
don't
  really know how to get it to update immediately after install.
 
  Oh and great work on the linux boot disk! I boot pxe and this 
saves me
  the headache of having to boot pxe twice for the drive

RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-21 Thread Donofrio, Lewis
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Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:10 PM
To: 'Patrick J. LoPresti'; John Lilley
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Subject: RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

Hi,

I knew there was a reason that I wasn't using these already.  They
require wint32.exe instead of winnt.exe, so they only work from an
upgraded.  What a waste.

Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: Patrick J. LoPresti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:05 AM
 To: John Lilley
 Cc: Mangano, Aron; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
 
 For the record...
 
 I just read about this unattend.txt setting:
 
 [Unattended]
 DUDisable=No
 
 Apparently, this causes Windows Setup to connect to Windows Update to 
 download everything during installation.
 
 Read all about it by searching for DUDisable (second occurrence) at:
 
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/
 tech
 ref/en-us/w2k3tr_u_unattended.asp
 
  - Pat
 
 
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Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-20 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
For the record...

I just read about this unattend.txt setting:

[Unattended]
DUDisable=No

Apparently, this causes Windows Setup to connect to Windows Update to
download everything during installation.

Read all about it by searching for DUDisable (second occurrence) at:

  
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_u_unattended.asp

 - Pat


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RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-20 Thread Tyler Hepworth


 -Original Message-
 From: Patrick J. LoPresti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:05 AM
 To: John Lilley
 Cc: Mangano, Aron; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
 
 
 For the record...
 
 I just read about this unattend.txt setting:
 
 [Unattended]
 DUDisable=No
 
 Apparently, this causes Windows Setup to connect to Windows 
 Update to download everything during installation.
 
 Read all about it by searching for DUDisable (second occurrence) at:
 
 
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techre
f/en-us/w2k3tr_u_unattended.asp

 - Pat


This is very interesting.  Did you read the part about DUShare and
DUPrepare?  Instead of connecting to windows update it looks for the update
.cab files on a local share.

Whether I use DUDisable or DUShare, does that mean that all patches will be
incorporated into the windows setup, and constant rebooting can be avoided?
Does it mean faster setup times?  Hmmm.


Tyler


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RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-20 Thread Brad Erdman
Hi,

I knew there was a reason that I wasn't using these already.  They require
wint32.exe instead of winnt.exe, so they only work from an upgraded.  What a
waste.

Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: Patrick J. LoPresti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:05 AM
 To: John Lilley
 Cc: Mangano, Aron; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
 
 For the record...
 
 I just read about this unattend.txt setting:
 
 [Unattended]
 DUDisable=No
 
 Apparently, this causes Windows Setup to connect to Windows Update to
 download everything during installation.
 
 Read all about it by searching for DUDisable (second occurrence) at:
 
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/tech
 ref/en-us/w2k3tr_u_unattended.asp
 
  - Pat
 
 
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RE: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-14 Thread Mangano, Aron
You could do this, but why would you as it would cost you bandwidth and
dollars etc :-)

Pats way is far superior as you only need to download the updates and
hotfixes once etc.

Aron

-Original Message-
From: John Lilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 3:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

Hey Everyone,

I was wondering if its possible to run auto update automatically after 
the last reboot to install all critical patches instead of using the 
winxp-update.bat? I've set todo.pl auconfig.pl 4 in base.bat but don't
really know how to get it to update immediately after install.

Oh and great work on the linux boot disk! I boot pxe and this saves me 
the headache of having to boot pxe twice for the drive format. :)

John




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Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-14 Thread John Lilley
True. But bandwidth isn't really an issue where I work and by it's 
nature the script is out of date in a few days after it's release. It 
would be one less script to manage. I guess I could allow the script to 
update (saving bandwidth) and run auto update to finish up the job. :)

thanks,

john

Mangano, Aron wrote:
You could do this, but why would you as it would cost you bandwidth and
dollars etc :-)
Pats way is far superior as you only need to download the updates and
hotfixes once etc.
Aron

-Original Message-
From: John Lilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 3:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

Hey Everyone,

I was wondering if its possible to run auto update automatically after 
the last reboot to install all critical patches instead of using the 
winxp-update.bat? I've set todo.pl auconfig.pl 4 in base.bat but don't
really know how to get it to update immediately after install.

Oh and great work on the linux boot disk! I boot pxe and this saves me 
the headache of having to boot pxe twice for the drive format. :)

John



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Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-14 Thread imdos
Maybe it is a possibility to set up an SUS-server www.susserver.com and
to point your workstations to there. Then u can be sure all the updates
will be installed.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
 WUServer=http://SUSServer.Company.com;
 WUStatusServer=http://SUSServer.Company.com

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
 AUOptions=dword:0004
 NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers=dword:0001
 NoAutoUpdate=dword:
 RescheduleWaitTime=dword:0001
 ScheduledInstallDay=dword:
 ScheduledInstallTime=dword:0004
 UseWUServer=dword:0001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto 
Update]
 AUOptions=dword:0004
 AUState=dword:0002

reg delete
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto
Update\LastWaitTimeout /force nul

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto 
Update]
 ScheduledInstallDate=2002.09.27 04:00:00
 Rescheduled=dword:0001

With this there is also an overview of which client has (allready)
upgraded.

imdos

On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 18:49, John Lilley wrote:
 True. But bandwidth isn't really an issue where I work and by it's 
 nature the script is out of date in a few days after it's release. It 
 would be one less script to manage. I guess I could allow the script to 
 update (saving bandwidth) and run auto update to finish up the job. :)
 
 thanks,
 
 john
 
 
 Mangano, Aron wrote:
  You could do this, but why would you as it would cost you bandwidth and
  dollars etc :-)
  
  Pats way is far superior as you only need to download the updates and
  hotfixes once etc.
  
  Aron
  
  -Original Message-
  From: John Lilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 3:57 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?
  
  Hey Everyone,
  
  I was wondering if its possible to run auto update automatically after 
  the last reboot to install all critical patches instead of using the 
  winxp-update.bat? I've set todo.pl auconfig.pl 4 in base.bat but don't
  really know how to get it to update immediately after install.
  
  Oh and great work on the linux boot disk! I boot pxe and this saves me 
  the headache of having to boot pxe twice for the drive format. :)
  
  John
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-14 Thread Paul Tietjens
imdos wrote:
Maybe it is a possibility to set up an SUS-server www.susserver.com and
to point your workstations to there. Then u can be sure all the updates
will be installed.
We use this method, but unfortnately, it's bothersome to try and 
decipher WHEN WAU decides to pull updates, and when it decides to 
install them.

Forcing it to update is problematic at best, mysterious and infuriating 
in general.

We just hand-install critical (i.e. Blaster, Sasser) security fixs on 
new machines (or, once our unattended point is finished, todo.pl will do 
it :) ) and then leave them on overnight.

It's far superior than hand-applying each new hotfix, service pack, and 
security patch, however.



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Re: [Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-14 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
John Lilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 True. But bandwidth isn't really an issue where I work and by it's
 nature the script is out of date in a few days after it's
 release.

We usually do a pretty good job of keeping our scripts up-to-date in
CVS.  Well, except for this week, when I forgot to commit the addition
of 840374 until just now :-).

You can keep yourself up-to-date via anonymous CVS, or via the Web
interface to same:

  
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/unattended/unattended/install/scripts/winxpsp1-updates.bat
  (log)

  
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/unattended/unattended/install/scripts/winxpsp1-updates.bat?rev=HEAD
  (script itself)


If we are too slow for you, you can always add the update yourself and
send us patches so that everyone may benefit :-).

 - Pat


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[Unattended] Windows auto update how to?

2004-05-13 Thread John Lilley
Hey Everyone,

I was wondering if its possible to run auto update automatically after 
the last reboot to install all critical patches instead of using the 
winxp-update.bat? I've set todo.pl auconfig.pl 4 in base.bat but don't
really know how to get it to update immediately after install.

Oh and great work on the linux boot disk! I boot pxe and this saves me 
the headache of having to boot pxe twice for the drive format. :)

John



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