Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport
On 4/29/19 3:34 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: Hans Åberg wrote: The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. Did he use this particular scheme? That is something I would expect to see on the scheme's web site, and would probably be good evidence for a proposal. And what about existing schemes, such as have already been in use even by the esteemed company present on this very list, and in several fonts, for the same purpose? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatching_(heraldry) I do see several awards related to the concept, but few examples where this scheme is actually in use, especially in plain text. I'm not opposed to this type of symbol, but I like to think the classic rule about "established, not ephemeral" would still apply. Indeed. If there were encoded mere color patches (like, say, colored circles, possibly in the U+1F534 range or something; just musing here), would those already count as encoding these sorts of things, as black-and-white font designers would be likely to interpret them in some readable fashion, perhaps with hatching. Is it better to have the color be canonical and the hatched design a matter of design, or have a set of hatched circles with fixed hatching? ~mark
Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 21:34, Doug Ewell wrote: > > Hans Åberg wrote: > >> The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, >> seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in >> black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. > > Did he use this particular scheme? That is something I would expect to > see on the scheme's web site, and would probably be good evidence for a > proposal. They did not describe what system they used, but my impression was different patterns, so it would still look artistic, only in black and white. However it was a long time ago, so my memory may fail me. It is described in some of the DVD extra material.
RE: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport
Maybe I'm not seeing something, but it looks like the implementation of the (otherwise interesting) idea is potentially flawed. They seem to use the same shape for both red and blue. It is just rotated. That could cause a lot of confusion. -Original Message- From: Unicode On Behalf Of Hans Åberg via Unicode Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:00 PM To: Doug Ewell Cc: Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport > On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:02, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> A very useful think to add to Unicode (for colorblind people) ! >> >> http://bestinportugal.com/color-add-project-brings-color-identification-to-the-color-blind >> >> >> Is it proposed to add as new symbols ? > > Well, it isn't proposed until someone proposes it. > > At first I thought Emojination would be best to write this proposal, > to improve its chances of approval. But these aren't really emoji; > they're actual text-like symbols, of the type that has always been > considered appropriate for Unicode. (They're not "for transport" per > se; they are a secondary indication of colors, meant for the > color-blind.) > > One important question that a proposal would need to answer is whether > these symbols are actually used in the real world. They seem like a > good and innovative new idea, and there is always a desire to help > people with physical challenges; but neither of those is what Unicode is > about. > For non-emoji characters, there is usually still a requirement to show > a certain level of actual usage. The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in black and white, and then that was replaced with colors.
RE: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport
Hans Åberg wrote: > The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, > seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in > black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. Did he use this particular scheme? That is something I would expect to see on the scheme's web site, and would probably be good evidence for a proposal. I do see several awards related to the concept, but few examples where this scheme is actually in use, especially in plain text. I'm not opposed to this type of symbol, but I like to think the classic rule about "established, not ephemeral" would still apply. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org
Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:02, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> A very useful think to add to Unicode (for colorblind people) ! >> >> http://bestinportugal.com/color-add-project-brings-color-identification-to-the-color-blind >> >> Is it proposed to add as new symbols ? > > Well, it isn't proposed until someone proposes it. > > At first I thought Emojination would be best to write this proposal, to > improve its chances of approval. But these aren't really emoji; they're > actual text-like symbols, of the type that has always been considered > appropriate for Unicode. (They're not "for transport" per se; they are a > secondary indication of colors, meant for the color-blind.) > > One important question that a proposal would need to answer is whether > these symbols are actually used in the real world. They seem like a good > and innovative new idea, and there is always a desire to help people > with physical challenges; but neither of those is what Unicode is about. > For non-emoji characters, there is usually still a requirement to show a > certain level of actual usage. The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_(U.S._TV_series)
Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport
Philippe Verdy wrote: > A very useful think to add to Unicode (for colorblind people) ! > > http://bestinportugal.com/color-add-project-brings-color-identification-to-the-color-blind > > Is it proposed to add as new symbols ? Well, it isn't proposed until someone proposes it. At first I thought Emojination would be best to write this proposal, to improve its chances of approval. But these aren't really emoji; they're actual text-like symbols, of the type that has always been considered appropriate for Unicode. (They're not "for transport" per se; they are a secondary indication of colors, meant for the color-blind.) One important question that a proposal would need to answer is whether these symbols are actually used in the real world. They seem like a good and innovative new idea, and there is always a desire to help people with physical challenges; but neither of those is what Unicode is about. For non-emoji characters, there is usually still a requirement to show a certain level of actual usage. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org
