Re: English flag (from Re: How to Add Beams to Notes)

2017-05-03 Thread William_J_G Overington via Unicode
Ken Whistler wrote:

> I suggest the following:

> 10BEDE for an English flag (reminding one of Bede the Venerable)
> 10CADF for a Welsh flag (harking to Cadfan ap Iago, King of Gwynedd)
> 10A1BA for a Scottish flag (for Alba, of course)

> Surely those would work for you!

Thank you for your reply. Nicely! Those code points each have a helpful 
mnemonic.

I had not known of Cadfan ap Iago until I read your post.

I found the following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadfan_ap_Iago

I opine that we need to make it clear, for the benefit of some people new to 
Unicode who may be reading this thread, that those code points are in one of 
the Private Use Areas, namely Supplementary Private Use Area-B, so there could 
be problems using them in some circumstances due to lack of uniqueness in the 
use of those code points.

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U10.pdf

William Overington

Wednesday 3 May 2017




Re: English flag (from Re: How to Add Beams to Notes)

2017-05-03 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode


On 5/3/2017 3:20 AM, William_J_G Overington via Unicode wrote:

Surely a single code point could be found. Single code points are being found 
for various emoji items on a continuing basis. Why pull up the ladder on 
encoding some flags each with a single code point?

Yes, a single code point for an English flag please. And one for a Welsh flag 
too please. And one for a Scottish flag too please. And some others please, if 
that is what end users want.


I suggest the following:

10BEDE for an English flag (reminding one of Bede the Venerable)
10CADF for a Welsh flag (harking to Cadfan ap Iago, King of Gwynedd)
10A1BA for a Scottish flag (for Alba, of course)

Surely those would work for you!

--Ken



Re: English flag (from Re: How to Add Beams to Notes)

2017-05-03 Thread David Faulks via Unicode
I think the UTC just wants to avoid the controversy and blame of deciding which flags are worthy of inclusion.However, I think that emoji users who are aware of Unicode will blame Unicode for whatever the vendors pickDavid Faulks

English flag (from Re: How to Add Beams to Notes)

2017-05-03 Thread William_J_G Overington via Unicode
Richard Wordingham wrote:

 U+1F3F4 U+E0067 U+E0062 U+E0065 U+E006E U+E0067 U+E007F (English flag) 

I looked at that and I realized that although I had effectively seen that 
encoding in http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/tr51-11.html though expressed 
differently, it was only when I saw it expressed as above that I realized that 
there is something gone wrong with encoding policy.

There are at present ten totally unused planes in the Unicode code point map 
and yet that seven character sequence is needed for encoding an English flag.

Surely a single code point could be found. Single code points are being found 
for various emoji items on a continuing basis. Why pull up the ladder on 
encoding some flags each with a single code point?

Yes, a single code point for an English flag please. And one for a Welsh flag 
too please. And one for a Scottish flag too please. And some others please, if 
that is what end users want.

William Overington

Wednesday 3 May 2017