Re: UNICODE application on IBM Mainframe

2001-01-23 Thread Markus Scherer 

I would like to add one item to this discussion:

Recently, someone from the IBM S/390 group told me that they had decided to store and 
use Unicode on S/390 as UTF-8/16/32.
They will not use UTF-EBCDIC. I am not aware of anyone inside or outside of IBM who 
does use UTF-EBCDIC. (There is another EBCDIC-friendly proposal out there in IBM that 
also does not seem to have been adopted.)

If the IMS DB is now updated to use Unicode, then it is probably as UTF-16, right?

markus

Re: UNICODE application on IBM Mainframe

2001-01-23 Thread Lisa Moore 


The IMS DB supports UTF-16.  Actually, you can store anything you want in
an IMS DB - if you want to provide all your own transaction management.
IMS provides transaction management for UTF-16, just not through any
3270-based applications.

Lisa


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I would like to add one item to this discussion:

Recently, someone from the IBM S/390 group told me that they had decided to
store and use Unicode on S/390 as UTF-8/16/32.
They will not use UTF-EBCDIC. I am not aware of anyone inside or outside of
IBM who does use UTF-EBCDIC. (There is another EBCDIC-friendly proposal out
there in IBM that also does not seem to have been adopted.)

If the IMS DB is now updated to use Unicode, then it is probably as UTF-16,
right?

markus

UNICODE application on IBM Mainframe

2001-01-17 Thread tracey kelly 

I am investigating using the Unicode standard to store and forward
Chinese characters in a mainframe (IMS) environment.

Basically we want to receive Chinese into the system, encode into
UNICODE, send it to the mainframe and store on the IMSDB. At a later
stage, then decode back into Chinese for forwarding out of the system.

Any advice or feedback from anyone who has done anything similar
would be appreciated. How would the unicode look stored in EBCDIC?
for example, code point 006D for 'n' - stored as character '00D6'
or hex x'006D'? What about the 'U' - or does one HAVE to use one of
the UTFs?

As you can tell, this is all still new to me.

Any hints and tips would be appreciated as well as whether this is
feasible or not. In future we would also want to store and forward
other languages, as well as possibly update the values using a front-
end interface.

Regards,
Tracey
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Re: UNICODE application on IBM Mainframe

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Davis 

Unicode is always serialized in a UTF: UTF-8, UTF-16*, or UTF-32*. The
definition of each of these is invariant across systems: in UTF-8 an 'a' is
always stored as 0x61. There is a special UTF for use on EBCDIC systems.
Check out the technical reports and FAQs on www.unicode.org.

Mark

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Subject: UNICODE application on IBM Mainframe


 I am investigating using the Unicode standard to store and forward
 Chinese characters in a mainframe (IMS) environment.

 Basically we want to receive Chinese into the system, encode into
 UNICODE, send it to the mainframe and store on the IMSDB. At a later
 stage, then decode back into Chinese for forwarding out of the system.

 Any advice or feedback from anyone who has done anything similar
 would be appreciated. How would the unicode look stored in EBCDIC?
 for example, code point 006D for 'n' - stored as character '00D6'
 or hex x'006D'? What about the 'U' - or does one HAVE to use one of
 the UTFs?

 As you can tell, this is all still new to me.

 Any hints and tips would be appreciated as well as whether this is
 feasible or not. In future we would also want to store and forward
 other languages, as well as possibly update the values using a front-
 end interface.

 Regards,
 Tracey
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Re: UNICODE application on IBM Mainframe

2001-01-17 Thread lisam 



Within the IMS database, any form of data can be stored.  Beware, however,
that certain parameters, such as the transaction name, must always be in
EBCDIC.  While the database itself can handle Unicode in any format, you
have to be careful about how you work with that data - the IMS Transaction
Manager cannot handle Unicode.   No 3270-based product can work with
Unicode unless it is in the UTF-EBCDIC format.  IMS shipped support for
Unicode in V7, October 2000, to support working with Unicode using Java and
IMS Connect.

Lisa