Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab
On 9/12/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Maurizio Colucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, if I enable sticky keys (control panel - keyboard - accessibility), I loose the ability to ALT-TAB (unless, of course, I keep ALT pressed, which defeats the purpose of using sticky keys). Is there any way to switch the active window with the keyboardwhich does not require holding buttons? Thanks for any help.If you have sticky keys enabled, you should be able to make alt bepressed and held (not sure if this has a technical term) by hittingalt twice.Then hit tab however many times you need.Then release alt by hitting alt again.In other words, to get the behaviorequivalent to press-alt-tab-tab-tab-release-altbut with sticky keys, you would instead use the key sequence alt-alt-tab-tab-tab-alt Hope that helps,It would, if it worked. Unfortunately it does not work at all. Pressing ALT twice is no different than pressin it once for me. I am using the USA keyboard layout, Gnome is the one in Ubuntu Dapper. Any ideas? Thank you. :-) Maurizio ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab
--- Maurizio Colucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never mind, I found the problem: in keyboard preferences - layout options - group/shift-lock behavior, I had to disable both alt keys together change group. Urg. Why do we even have this ugly little tab section? I understand these options are provided by X, but why? What needs to happen to kill them off or fold them into GNOME properly, or bring them kicking and screaming into the rest of the GUI? ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
Re: [Usability] Quicky review of Seahorse encryption key manager
Alan Horkan wrote: Apologies in advance but I'm working off the screenshots to start with and I will try and get recent binaries or compile Seahorse later for more detailed feedback. The screenshots are not dated or marked with any version so I'll assume they are from the most recent release*. Yeah, sorry the screenshots are from 0.9.1. Many of the dialogs are a bit simpler and less cluttered now. But I believe most if not all of your comments still apply. I figured I should take a quick look at Seahorse and provide feedback now rather than later (especially since I feel burned by some of the last minute changes made to Baobab supposedly in the name of HIG compliance but that is a rant for another time). I'm not an expert but I know what I like and I am familiar with the Human Interface Guidelines as well as the Documentation Style Guide (which is very relevant to the use of language in the interface). snip Good stuff, all of it. Makes sanse. I'll make the suggested changes shortly. I hope to try out Seahorse soon and provide a more thorough review. That would be awesome. Best of luck with getting Seahorse included in Gnome. Thanks, Nate Nielsen ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
Re: [Usability] Mac-style menubar in GNOME
I made a half-hearted stab at a prototype (in Python) once, I'll see if I can dig it up. I found half of it. Here is a panel applet that shows the focused window's name (and min/max/close buttons) in the top menubar. You could probably hack it to show the focused window's menu instead. The code is very alpha. Run it like: $ ./titlebar-applet -w for a standalone window (for testing), or do the make install thing and then Add to Panel http://www.gnome.org/~nigeltao/python_applets/titlebar-applet-0.1-preview.tar.gz You might need to install the Python wnck bindings - I forget what package provides that. ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab
On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 10:26 +0200, Maurizio Colucci wrote: On 9/13/06, Maurizio Colucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Maurizio Colucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, if I enable sticky keys (control panel - keyboard - accessibility), I loose the ability to ALT-TAB (unless, of course, I keep ALT pressed, which defeats the purpose of using sticky keys). Is there any way to switch the active window with the keyboard which does not require holding buttons? Thanks for any help. If you have sticky keys enabled, you should be able to make alt be pressed and held (not sure if this has a technical term) by hitting alt twice. Then hit tab however many times you need. Then release alt by hitting alt again. In other words, to get the behavior equivalent to press-alt-tab-tab-tab-release-alt but with sticky keys, you would instead use the key sequence alt-alt-tab-tab-tab-alt Hope that helps, It would, if it worked. Unfortunately it does not work at all. Pressing ALT twice is no different than pressin it once for me. I am using the USA keyboard layout, Gnome is the one in Ubuntu Dapper. Any ideas? Thank you. :-) Never mind, I found the problem: in keyboard preferences - layout options - group/shift-lock behavior, I had to disable both alt keys together change group. However this does not make much sense, since I was not pressing both alt keys together. Is this a bug? I don't think it's so much a bug as it is a peculiar set of interactions that just don't work out well together. Look at pressing both Alt keys together as pressing Alt+Alt. That is, one Alt is a modifier, while the other Alt is the thing it modifies. With sticky keys, you would type this by pressing Alt, then pressing Alt again. It would seem the underlying code doesn't really check if the two Alt key presses were different Alt keys, probably because the programmers weren't thinking about sticky keys when they wrote it. (How else would you press the same key at the same time as itself?) This is, I believe, all XKB stuff, which is black magic to most of us. -- Shaun ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab
On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 09:57 +0100, Joachim Noreiko wrote: --- Maurizio Colucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never mind, I found the problem: in keyboard preferences - layout options - group/shift-lock behavior, I had to disable both alt keys together change group. Urg. Why do we even have this ugly little tab section? I understand these options are provided by X, but why? What needs to happen to kill them off or fold them into GNOME properly, or bring them kicking and screaming into the rest of the GUI? Easier said than done. There are people who use those options. I'm one of those people, because I like using a Compose key. We can't just ditch them. The list of options comes from the X server, so we can't just have a static dialog with all the options neatly laid out. I do think, however, that we can improve on the dialog. It just takes some thought. We could, for instance, have a nearly-static layout with all the options we consider common. We don't dynamically add anything to this layout, but we do remove from it any options that aren't supported by the X server. We still have to provide access to everything, so we put a button at the bottom which brings up a dialog with a tree view with all the options in it, similar to the current dialog. -- Shaun ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
