Re: throw vs the result
Interesting coincidence... This came into my mailbox today... although it's for C++, it's quite to the point... http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=373340seqNum=2 quote: Report an error (e.g., write throw ) wherever a function detects an error that it cannot resolve itself and that makes it impossible for the function to continue execution. (See Item 70) Handle an error (e.g., write a catch that doesn't rethrow the same or another exception or emit another kind of error code) in the places that have sufficient knowledge to handle the error, including to enforce boundaries defined in the error policy (e.g., on main and thread mainlines; see Item 62) and to absorb errors in the bodies of destructors and deallocation operations. end quote cheers Xavier - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A Philosophical Point
On 28.04.2005, at 20:55, Jim Carwardine wrote: I don't need to know this, John. How is RunRev to stay in business if they don't charge for their product? You of all people should know how much overhead is required to produce bug-free code. RunRev could not sustain itself unless it turned open source and that's not the business model they are running on. For my sake, please stay off the list... Jim Jim, and for my sake please stay off with such useless coments... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: window in a window
On Sun, 01 May 2005 , Bob Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All. I have an app that has a toolbar that does things to a window (an independent rev file). However, I want to embed this independent window into one stack and then save it back out. EG. Imagine a word processor like MS word without an open document. You have a blank window and a toolbar, call it bobsBlankWindow. Now I want to have a rev file to open within bobsBlankWindow and then be saved back as the rev file when edited. Is it possible to embed a stack within the area of another stack. Apart from that, there is the problem of the window focus. if the edit stack is clicked upon it would hide the other window behind it. would using the systemWindow command work? Sorry to not try it in advance but I'd need to change a lot before doing this and I want advice before messing around with it. cheers bob Hi Bob, We had a related discussion about Stacks in Stacks on the improvement list a few days ago. Below is my contribution to this thread that was received unchallenged (meaning nobody reacted directly to my contribution), so I have to guess that my proposal may be a viable solution. Here is my post of April 20: The discussion in this thread has meanwhile moved to having multiple viewers and several instances of the same stack being opened simultanously or at the same time, meaning my thoughts may seem somewhat beside the point when I consider what could be realized *now*. Apart from Rodneys solution with groups aren't there existing possibilities that at least come near to a viewer-stack concept? What about an alternative scenario embedding stacks (one or more) in the window of a stack glued to the viewer stack? Of course some of the problems and suggestions discussed in this thread are not answered by such a workaround. Here is the scenario - one of more solutions possible: Open the viewer and at the same time a smaller placeholder stack with its bottomright set to the bottomright of the viewer. Open the placeholder as palette to keep both stacks on top and to allow to work with both stacks without the smaller stack disapperaring behind the bigger viewer. Get the windowID of the placeholder and open the stacks you want to show in the window of the placeholder. When you open another stack in the window of the placeholder, some properties of the placeholder stack are transferred to the embedded stack: palette style, empty decorations, size etc. - meaning they need not be set. If you want to display information in the embedded stack that can be scrolled, just place a scrolling group the size of the placeholder stack on the first card - or any other card the user can navigate to in the embedded stack. In the same way you could embed more stacks in different panes of the viewer at the same time.-- To create an entity of viewer and embedded stacks (neccessary in case you want to move the viewer) set the decorations of the viewer to empty and add a decoration bar field with a mousemove script that glues the embedded stacks to the viewer. This is because - as far as I know - mousemoves cannot be intercepted by Transcript when you drag a stack via the decorations. Or is this possible? The alwaysbuffer of all stacks should be set to true. Tested here with a couple of sample stacks. Works fine on WindowsXP and can achieve effects like with frames in a browser, but with the added functionality of Transcript. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QuickTime 6.5.2 reinstaller
Mark, No troubles at all, there, even in using an external FireWire LaCie 2.5 inches 20 Go HD as support, to read movies (QT7 Pro Panther 10.3.9 PWB G4 12 1 Ghz ; QT7 Pro Tiger 10.4 IBook G3 12800 Mhz). Le 2 mai 05, à 02:49, Mark Wieder a écrit : Pierre- Sunday, May 1, 2005, 12:52:17 PM, you wrote: PS QT7 Pro woks there on both Panther and Tiger without any troubles, PS Rev's Player features included. Apparently there are reports of crashes and incompatibilities with firewire devices. 10.3.9 only. YMMV. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
Thank you all for a very interesting thread. It clarified a lot for me and many others I'm sure. Although I've been in the IT industry since 1967 (my first computer experience was on an IBM 3070), I took up programming again, after an 8 year hiatus, when I bought a Mac Plus with HC in 1985. Since then, I've used only HC and now Rev so my exposure to classical OOP was missing. Comments like the one my ISP gave indicated a structural as well as philosophical difference in thinking. Thanks, again... Jim on 4/30/05 7:36 PM, Derek Bump wrote: As someone already said, your ISP answer is a way to avoid any depth analysis of Rev capabilities... It's also the usual answer from ppl who usually struggle with complex programing environments and who are bitter to see other ppl developping sophisticated apps 2 to 5 times faster... I agree with this, as I at one time did it myself (I'm so ashamed). I'm a straight HTML coder, and nothing drove me more crazy than seeing someone use FrontPage or Dreamweaver to develop a web site. The scenario is just the same as someone writing a C++ app in 1 month and me writing the same app with Rev in just a few days. A little animosity. I now more or less don't care what one uses to develop a program, just as long as the final result is a decent program that is creative and solves a problem. And though I don't understand OOP, I do appreciate you fine folks trying to explain it to me. I guess I am forever convinced that xTalk is as object oriented as a language can get put key in ignition rotate key 120 degrees rotate key -120 degrees apply pressure to accelerator -- It all just looks like objects to me :) Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- OYF is... Highly resourceful people working together. http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 1959 Upper Water Street, Suite 407, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3J 3N2 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 What¹s New... * Have you ever hired an employee who didn¹t work out? * Did you do that on purpose? Probably not... If you want to greatly improve your hiring process, check out our new hiring process... www.HiringSmart.ca/ns http://www.hiringsmart.ca/ns and... www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.keepingthebest.ca/ns ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger installation
Hi all! you may have seen a brief mentioning of rev windowShape not working properly in Tiger. Gordon Tillmann helped me out on this, but the problem wasn't really a problem at all. I first installed Tiger on my backup machine, which hadn't had the last few Panther updates, and thus I hadn't repaired permissions recently. This turned out to have caused the problem, just don't ask me why ;-) I had noticed in the Apple discussions that this simple action seems to have already fixed minor and major problems a lot of people were experiencing with a wide variety of software, both Apple and third party, so I tried it and it worked. In other words this was my own dopey fault. Thanks agsain to Gordy for his patience in looking into this with me. Repair your permission (more than once until no more errors or corrections show up) and disable 3rd party utilities (although I'm sure noneof you really need to be told this in the first place!) Other than this tiger so far has been flawless, faster and cooler than all get out! Enjoy the Tiger! Lars ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Saving data in a stack STANDALONE
As a complete beginner with Revolution I¹ve found it very hard to get a grip on this. It¹s a big stumbling block for those used to Hypercard, where the IDE was taken for granted, and the concept of a standalone was unfamiliar. But the ability to deliver standalones cross-platform is a major attraction of Revolution so it¹s disappointing that such a key feature as how to save user changes to a stack is hard to grasp. I can understand that a standalone is an application, and as such shouldn¹t modify itself i.e. the user can¹t save any changes within the application. No problem write it out to a file, and read it back in on startup. But with structured data such as an Address Book you want to save the data as a stack that¹s the whole point! The answer given in the documentation is to set up a dummy stack as the mainstack, then do the work in a substack which is not itself compiled into a standalone, but left as a Revolution file (.rev). I simply couldn¹t get this to work, until I came across the answer in the lists.runrev archive go to the Standalone Settings item on the File menu - select the Stacks tab - click the box to Move substacks into individual stackfiles. This makes the substack persist as a .rev. The standalone knows where it is (automagically in the standalone's folder), and because it's a .rev it can be saved... Before finding this tip, I had been messing about for ages trying to get the standalone to pick up .rev files that were not part of its stack file. Ah well -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Sivakatirswami Here's what you can do: You need to have a computer that can support a second monitor as an extension of the computer's monitor. On the mac side, only the professional line (PowerBook, G5 tower) has this function built in. You cannot make this work with an iBook, an eMac or an iMac AFAIK. On the Windows platform, most laptops now have this functionality. You set the monitor size and location of the extended screen in the display pane of the system preferences panel on Mac OSX, and in the display settings utility in Windows. Create two stacks, one for the user's computer and one for the projector. Set the location of the projector stack to the location of the second monitor You then control the projector stack from the computer monitor stack. You could set up notes for each screen of the presentation, perhaps a thumbnail image of what is being projected, and navigation buttons to go to the next or previous screens. You could have each card in the display stack correspond to a specific card in the control stack. Then in your next button, for example, have two lines: on mouseUp go next cd go next cd of stack display Stack end mouseUp Unfortunately, you need access to a second monitor or projector when developing the stack, or a nice large cinema display in order to see both stacks at once. HTH Dan Oops I think I actually forgot to ask my question: How do you do this in Revolution: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving data in a stack STANDALONE
As a complete beginner with Revolution I¹ve found it very hard to get a grip on this. It¹s a big stumbling block for those used to Hypercard, where the IDE was taken for granted, and the concept of a standalone was unfamiliar. But the ability to deliver standalones cross-platform is a major attraction of Revolution so it¹s disappointing that such a key feature as how to save user changes to a stack is hard to grasp. The difference is that you weren't making standalone applications in HC, unless you bought Heizer's Double-XX (as I did), in which case you were already living with this restriction. To make things more familiar for yourself, why not just distribute the Dreamcard player? That's what you did with HC. -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Prefs and Settings - best practices
So is there a consensus on best-practices to handle settings for Rev apps? Substack? File? Registry? -- http://taoofrunrev.blogspot.com http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Dan, Sivakatirswami, This approach assumes you have mirror imaging 'OFF' in order to have two distinct screen areas. I don't know how (applescript, do process, shell) to do this. Or how to detect this to not get errors. Something like If the system has two monitors (?) then turn off 'video mirroring' then do 'split screen' and set this window to main screen and send that window to alt screen'. I don't see where knowing these things is within REVs builtin capabilities. From the docs: If the system has more than one monitor, the screenLoc function returns the rectangle of the main screen. AND: Use the screenName function to control where applications that Revolution starts up should appear. Comments: On Unix systems, the screenName function returns the string provided by the XDisplayName function call. When starting a process with the open process command or the shell function, if you want the process to appear on the same screen as Revolution, use the value returned by the screenName as the argument to the -d option. This function does not return a useful value on Mac OS and Windows systems. Tom On May 2, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Dan Soneson wrote: Sivakatirswami Here's what you can do: You need to have a computer that can support a second monitor as an extension of the computer's monitor. On the mac side, only the professional line (PowerBook, G5 tower) has this function built in. You cannot make this work with an iBook, an eMac or an iMac AFAIK. On the Windows platform, most laptops now have this functionality. You set the monitor size and location of the extended screen in the display pane of the system preferences panel on Mac OSX, and in the display settings utility in Windows. Create two stacks, one for the user's computer and one for the projector. Set the location of the projector stack to the location of the second monitor You then control the projector stack from the computer monitor stack. You could set up notes for each screen of the presentation, perhaps a thumbnail image of what is being projected, and navigation buttons to go to the next or previous screens. You could have each card in the display stack correspond to a specific card in the control stack. Then in your next button, for example, have two lines: on mouseUp go next cd go next cd of stack display Stack end mouseUp Unfortunately, you need access to a second monitor or projector when developing the stack, or a nice large cinema display in order to see both stacks at once. HTH Dan Oops I think I actually forgot to ask my question: How do you do this in Revolution: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Split screen output for Presentations
Tom, You're right, of course. You do need to turn mirror imaging 'OFF' prior to running the show, using the system preferences panel. Does the new KeyNote dynamically detect the setting and turn mirror imaging off? What does it do with an iBook where you can't turn mirror imaging off? Rev will allow you to set the coordinates of the screen stack. For example, if the projector monitor is to the left of the main screen, then set the topRight of stack screenStack to 0,0 ought to display it just fine. If you cannot set mirror imaging off, perhaps you could have a button on the control stack that sets the topLeft of the display stack to 0,0. You would lose the control stack's features, unfortunately, but you could still display the presentation. Dan Dan, Sivakatirswami, This approach assumes you have mirror imaging 'OFF' in order to have two distinct screen areas. I don't know how (applescript, do process, shell) to do this. Or how to detect this to not get errors. Something like If the system has two monitors (?) then turn off 'video mirroring' then do 'split screen' and set this window to main screen and send that window to alt screen'. I don't see where knowing these things is within REVs builtin capabilities. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Dan, That is of course if the alt monitor is at 0,0. We would need to determine where the second monitor is located at. I will look into the new Keynote as to wether it auto detects or not. I can't remember. I will also check my kids iBook. I use a PowerBook G4 15. Tom On May 2, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Dan Soneson wrote: Tom, You're right, of course. You do need to turn mirror imaging 'OFF' prior to running the show, using the system preferences panel. Does the new KeyNote dynamically detect the setting and turn mirror imaging off? What does it do with an iBook where you can't turn mirror imaging off? Rev will allow you to set the coordinates of the screen stack. For example, if the projector monitor is to the left of the main screen, then set the topRight of stack screenStack to 0,0 ought to display it just fine. If you cannot set mirror imaging off, perhaps you could have a button on the control stack that sets the topLeft of the display stack to 0,0. You would lose the control stack's features, unfortunately, but you could still display the presentation. Dan Dan, Sivakatirswami, This approach assumes you have mirror imaging 'OFF' in order to have two distinct screen areas. I don't know how (applescript, do process, shell) to do this. Or how to detect this to not get errors. Something like If the system has two monitors (?) then turn off 'video mirroring' then do 'split screen' and set this window to main screen and send that window to alt screen'. I don't see where knowing these things is within REVs builtin capabilities. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sending Email Within Revolution???
Hello All, Yes, I know about the revMail command, but I don't want to call up my email program to send the email; I want to do this within the Rev app I am developing. Any suggestions? Thanks, Shawn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Sending Email Within Revolution???
Mac or PC? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Rampy Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 16:08 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Sending Email Within Revolution??? Hello All, Yes, I know about the revMail command, but I don't want to call up my email program to send the email; I want to do this within the Rev app I am developing. Any suggestions? Thanks, Shawn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
LISP is purely functional, not object-oriented. There are OO libraries for LISP, but many on the LISP side of things look down on them. I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently -- there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but the inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel. On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Forth is one of two programming languages I have tried to learn with complete lack of success. The other is LISP. Both are object- oriented (at least Forth is in some implementations and LISP is purely). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
I think by that classification Rev _is_ object-oriented: ObjectOrientedProgramming. A program execution is regarded as a physical model, simulating the behavior of either a real or imaginary part of the world. Sounds like Rev to me. Nevertheless, I always refer people to another quote on the same web site -- Ward Cunningham's regarding HyperCard and OO: Sure HyperCard is object oriented. You just don't get to pick the objects. Setting those aside, Rev lacks several characteristics most people consider inherent to OO. That doesn't make it bad or good, necessarily. On Apr 30, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: A quick Google search reveals this, which may be helpful as far as classification of languages: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NygaardClassification ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently -- there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but the inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel. Forth is not really a high level language any more than assembler is. It is an alternative machine language based on a double stack architecture. There have been hardware implementations of Forth as the native machine instruction set. When emulated, the Code just consists of a list of addresses to the actual machine code for the native functions, or addresses of higher level defined function (uses a flag bit to tell which). This makes it execute much faster than byte code. You can implement a higher level language within the syntax of Forth because of its extensible nature. Words are defined from other words in an interpretive environment. Because of the double stack architecture, data arguments are passed and returned on one stack and return addresses are in the other stack. It makes a very efficient and powerful architecture for developing real time machine controllers with a tiny amount of memory. You are free to define words that implement an OO environment if you choose. You could even create Rev using this as the lower level P code, or an operating system for that matter. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sending Email Within Revolution???
look at this free library: http://www.shaosean.tk/ On May 02 2005, at 16:07, Shawn Rampy wrote: Hello All, Yes, I know about the revMail command, but I don't want to call up my email program to send the email; I want to do this within the Rev app I am developing. Any suggestions? Thanks, Shawn -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.cjb.net Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
Yeah, the *implementation* of Forth I tried to learn used frames as objects and approached OO in some key ways as I recall. OF course, I have blissfully forgotten all that in the dream of the Dreamcard Revolution. ;-) On May 2, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently -- there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but the inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel. Forth is not really a high level language any more than assembler is. It is an alternative machine language based on a double stack architecture. There have been hardware implementations of Forth as the native machine instruction set. When emulated, the Code just consists of a list of addresses to the actual machine code for the native functions, or addresses of higher level defined function (uses a flag bit to tell which). This makes it execute much faster than byte code. You can implement a higher level language within the syntax of Forth because of its extensible nature. Words are defined from other words in an interpretive environment. Because of the double stack architecture, data arguments are passed and returned on one stack and return addresses are in the other stack. It makes a very efficient and powerful architecture for developing real time machine controllers with a tiny amount of memory. You are free to define words that implement an OO environment if you choose. You could even create Rev using this as the lower level P code, or an operating system for that matter. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DVD Decoder
On May 1, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Derek Bump wrote: Is anyone aware of any add-ins for QuickTime (Windows) that will allow one to use QuickTime to show DVDs? I second this request. I would LOVE to be able to access DVDs through Rev/QT. Old-time Hypercarders, remember how simple and elegant it was to access laser disks using the Xcommands in HC? Or Audio CDs? The inability to do the same this with DVDs represents a giant step backward for those of us trying to integrate video with instructional applications. Devin I love the DVD player on Mac OS X and I can't stand the ones on Windows and I'd like to make a free custom DVD player using QuickTime and Revolution. The best I've been able to manage with DVDs is to use AppleScript to launch and control the DVD player. Thanks! Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
Geoff and All, And in about polymorphism... : HC and REV are full able to let us design any complexes recursive procedures we can need inside our xtalk's apps, even in using polymorhism, hash-tables stuffs and so on... Best, Pierre Le 2 mai 05, à 16:28, Geoff Canyon a écrit : I think by that classification Rev _is_ object-oriented: ObjectOrientedProgramming. A program execution is regarded as a physical model, simulating the behavior of either a real or imaginary part of the world. Sounds like Rev to me. Nevertheless, I always refer people to another quote on the same web site -- Ward Cunningham's regarding HyperCard and OO: Sure HyperCard is object oriented. You just don't get to pick the objects. Setting those aside, Rev lacks several characteristics most people consider inherent to OO. That doesn't make it bad or good, necessarily. On Apr 30, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: A quick Google search reveals this, which may be helpful as far as classification of languages: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NygaardClassification ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
While xTalk does use objects, it doesn't support the full range of features formally associated with the term object-oriented programming - from wikipedia: In computer science, Object-oriented programming, OOP for short, is a computer programming style that emphasizes the following concepts: * Objects - Packaging data and functionality together into units within a running computer program; objects are the basis of modularity and structure in an object-oriented computer program. * Abstraction - The ability for a program to ignore some aspects of the information that it is manipulating, i.e. the ability to focus on the essential. * Encapsulation - Ensures that users of an object cannot change the internal state of the object in unexpected ways; only the object's own internal methods are allowed to access its state. Each object exposes an interface that specifies how other objects may interact with it. * Polymorphism via message sending. Instead of subroutine calls, object-oriented languages can make message sends; the specific method which responds to a message send depends on what specific object the message is sent to. This gains polymorphism, because a single variable in the program text can hold different kinds of objects as the program runs, and thus the same program text can invoke different methods at different times in the same execution. To contrast, functional languages gain polymorphism through the use of first-class functions. * Inheritance- Organizes and facilitates polymorphism and encapsulation by permitting objects to be defined and created that are specialized types of already-existing objects - these can share (and extend) their behavior without having to reimplement that behavior. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Oriented_Programming For this reason I've always preferred the term John Dowdell of Macromedia uses to distinguish xTalks from true OOPSes: object based. It still lets you swing the term object with a certain cache, while satisfying the formalists who require all of the above features to consider a language truly OOP. That said, I believe that well-written xTalk delivers most of the productivity benefits of OOP, sufficiently that there is a good argument for using xTalk regardless of which computer terms best describe its classification. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving data in a stack STANDALONE
John Ridge wrote: As a complete beginner with Revolution I¹ve found it very hard to get a grip on this. It¹s a big stumbling block for those used to Hypercard, where the IDE was taken for granted, and the concept of a standalone was unfamiliar. But the ability to deliver standalones cross-platform is a major attraction of Revolution so it¹s disappointing that such a key feature as how to save user changes to a stack is hard to grasp. I can understand that a standalone is an application, and as such shouldn¹t modify itself i.e. the user can¹t save any changes within the application. No problem write it out to a file, and read it back in on startup. But with structured data such as an Address Book you want to save the data as a stack that¹s the whole point! The answer given in the documentation is to set up a dummy stack as the mainstack, then do the work in a substack which is not itself compiled into a standalone, but left as a Revolution file (.rev). I simply couldn¹t get this to work, until I came across the answer in the lists.runrev archive go to the Standalone Settings item on the File menu - select the Stacks tab - click the box to Move substacks into individual stackfiles. I can symphathize with the learning curve effort, but IMO the biggest conceptual hurdle isn't inherent in the process but rather introduced in the standalone builder which doesn't adequately label optional advanced features as such. All the engine requires to make a standalone is a stack and a little information about the resulting standalone (target file name, Windows info, Mac Finder info). Everything else is purely optional, and by not separating those from the essentials the standalone builder gives the impression that the task is more complex than it really is. Many people enjoy the Rev option of modifying the stack structure at build time (moving substacks in and out of separate stack files), but I'm a big fan of WYGIWYG: What you got is what you get. :) For myself I find that minimizing the differences between development and runtime helps minimize errors, nearly eliminating the range of possible issues that can arise from differences between the two environments. If you were to use this approach your development setup might look like this: |splash screen stack file| -- opens -- |Main UI stack file| By opens I simply mean that the splash screen stack opens the main UI stack in its openStack handler. When you build you get simply: --- | standalone executable | -- opens -- |Main UI stack file| --- No fuss, no muss, no relying on hidden processes altering your stack structure at build time, nothing more than the simplicity of working in and running the same setup. If using the advanced stack-morphing options has been confusing, you might consider this simpler WYGIWYG approach. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Prefs and Settings - best practices
Recently, Mikey wrote: So is there a consensus on best-practices to handle settings for Rev apps? Substack? File? Registry? One could argue the OS developers made Preferences locations for a reason. It's standard to write where appropriate for the platform: Registry makes sense for Windows and the Library/Preferences folders make sense for OSX (System Folder/Preferences for OS9). That being said, there are other locations such as Application Support folders and equivalent, and one should consider whether they are writing prefs for the current user or for any user of the app on the current machine (save prefs under Current User or All Users). So while there are a few options for prefs locations, the one place I would avoid saving preferences to is your app's folder. It's likely that write permissions will be disabled there so prefs will not be saved, or even worse, users will get an error or possibly a virus alert when your app tries to save. Using the designated prefs locations makes better sense. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Rev XML libs and XSLT files...
--- Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, trying not to reinvent the wheel here, can RevXML library transform a given XML using a XSLT file or I'll have to write code for that (or maybe shell to some tool who can..) cheers andre I'm wondering where you would need this, since most browsers to the job already as a matter of course... Sivakatirswami One reason to do it within your application is data security : if you display the XML in a browser, and refer to an XSL, you can hide certain data -- but if the user picks 'View the source' in his browser menus, he can see the entire XML file. Another reason to include XSL support is that it allows for context-management server applications: the programmer just delivers the XML, and the CGI-script (or Rev-built web-server) applies an XSL transformation to deliver for GPRS, WAP, PDA,... Yes it's more work for your server or your application if it's done beforehand, but it has its advantages. Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: To Rev or not to Rev + OOP TAOO tech
[x'ed] You are free to define words that implement an OO environment if you choose. You could even create Rev using this as the lower level P code, or an operating system for that matter. Dennis I like your way of saying it... That's exactly what I've done with xtalk in TAOO, XOS, ObjX, the Referencer stacks,... all these years! As Richard said, Object based... Do i need polymorphism? Nope, i can handle it myself much better! Do i need inheritance? I can force it anytime, anyway i want. Do I need object structures? I got cards with the most complex and visual structures you could ever ask for from a textual IDE! If you really want to dwelve into OOPs, there's a huge field of CS advanced books on the matter from language design to process architecture to compiler stuff, etc... I tried it all and none, really, none was the bible except maybe all in part. You name the language, i checked it out. Even scriptX. Great stuff, but can it be faster for development? In the real world, you have to process objects for clients. FileMaker is the best for most business purposes - all in one. The hell, the finder/Explorer + any text editor will do too! It's a matter of seeing the objects... Filemaker will make the sums and reports while in the hell you do it yourself! Realistically, RunRev, can do it without any intervention in the best cases. Filemaker will cough, cough... OK, Applescripts can help. But it's not a totally Filemaker only thing then... Single points of failures are to be minimized! And RunRev can do it all... But does it scale up? Not unless you have a real strategy or optimum fixed object structure/code... That's always true and that's when objects are less important... If speed or graphics were not a problem sometimes, RunRev could do it all actually... But thanks to externals that's quickly bridged between any low-end or new-to-come APIs of the OS, anything is possible! And Chipp is one the best examples here I might add. Was it done it OPP? Does it matter? In the end, it's it does it business on it's objects the right way. Can I access it's objects? Can I modify them? :) Objects... 90% thinking, 10% scripting - that's how I see it! Remember that 90% thinking = 1/1000 the 10% scripting in time! So now im coming to the conclusion of the TAOO environment and got a really really sweet set of tools. The OOP in it is like you said: a question of wording... After you get the hang of the wording (nothing hard!), and your libraries work with it, you'll see that things start to work by themselves! Usually with just a one-liner ;) So if you are interested in an object called TAOO with a frame- work of objects in objects without any need of fancy object.obj notation... Let me know, i got it down to a science/slang now ;) We all know there's always a trade off ;) No joke. What can it do for you? Choose a [meaninful] verb... It will find the object and function for it. It's programming language/ide/file format independent too and anything you add to it becomes part of the whole! So you see, after 15 years (or more) it's been gathering quite a lot of skills... And any GUI is possible in terms of objects... More importantly, and in relation to a picture is worth a 1000 words, visual objects in TAOO have a wording to them that makes them aware (Jean-Claude Van Dam style ;)... That's the key to making the system work not just as a oop-library but also as a live visual oop environment. So the Visual Object language is another place where I've put in a lot of evolution - which someone mistook for bug-fixing. I did and got a lots more in return than expected and each version is less bugs all across the TAOO script-nation! The language works with the controls via all types of front/back or stackinuse scripts depending on the object layers. Now running on both Rev and MC too including all N2O tools ;) The event Hierarchy is managed both locally and globally. The hierarchical layers are like objects in objects. Or templates in objects, and vice versa. There's no limits that I know of others than IDE over-loading. It works for my new GM (called GIM - Graphical Interface Manager). There's always an easier solution when it comes down to that like object-layer masters (frontscript or backscript), managers(backscript or stackinuse), agents (palette or stackinuse), etc For example, take a TAOO object contact which is just a group with a bunch fields as Contact databases contain. It could be data from a file, db, sql, or in cards, it doesn't matter. This Contact object, can be copy-pasted into any other stack's object background and add contact features to the said application! That's the relativism and relationalism of objects in the Art of Objects - there isn't any - it's all there is! I've released a part of it in a secret place of MonsieurX Those interested... You know what to do. And it's proudly made in RunRev! ;) Cheers Xavier -- http://MonsieurX.com/TAOO
Database Query Builder, commit changes
Hello, all I need to make some simple changes to a Valentina DB, the Query builder is a great tool and I have everything set to open the tables and edit the fields. The problem comes when I am saving the changes back. If I use the auto edit feature of the Query Builder I get no erros but the changed data is not committed, on refresh the original field contents show. I tried a button with revCommitDatabase currentDB and I get cant find handler error. I am sure there is something simple I am missing, thanks all Michael Parent Read Naturally 1-800-788-4085 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
answer dialogs clicking through
I'm having a problem with a list field with autohilite getting click-selected BEHIND a standard answer dialog. It seems to be happening within the auto-select mechanism and I haven't found the message that is sent. Anyone else seen this - and is there a way to fix this outside of making my own dialog? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stacks getting 'disconnected'
In the process of trying to make an answer dialog (plan b), I ran across another problem. When opening a new window/sub-stack, does this automatically 'stop using' other stacks? When I closed this new sub-stack, somehow the connection to a library was stopped. Do I have to always define the 'default stack' every time?? thanks sqb ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stacks getting 'disconnected'
Hi Stephen, Plan c is always an option in RunRev. But first check if you didn't forget to pass an event... Stackinuse is in use by the stack that calls it normally Then they are part of the event hierarchy in that order of calling. if stack a uses stack b's script stack c (not a substack of stack a) cannot see stack b's scripts. That's the theory. Front or Backscript are sometimes necessary. They are always present in the event queueu (front/before or back/after) you stack's events. Beware of frontscripts though... cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Barncard Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 20:23 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Stacks getting 'disconnected' In the process of trying to make an answer dialog (plan b), I ran across another problem. When opening a new window/sub-stack, does this automatically 'stop using' other stacks? When I closed this new sub-stack, somehow the connection to a library was stopped. Do I have to always define the 'default stack' every time?? thanks sqb ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database Query Builder, commit changes
--- Michael Parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all I need to make some simple changes to a Valentina DB, the Query builder is a great tool and I have everything set to open the tables and edit the fields. The problem comes when I am saving the changes back. If I use the auto edit feature of the Query Builder I get no erros but the changed data is not committed, on refresh the original field contents show. I tried a button with revCommitDatabase currentDB and I get cant find handler error. I am sure there is something simple I am missing, thanks all Michael Parent Hi Michael, Have you ticked the 'Cache record set' checkbox ? If you didn't, you may have refresh problems. When you explicitly refresh the query, do the changes show up or not ? Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Database Query Builder, commit changes
Hello Jan, I did not check 'cache record set as I will be opening many different Db files. When I do a change and either click refresh query from Query Builder or through a Button set to the auto refresh action from Query Builder the original Data is displayed on screen. Michael Parent Read Naturally 1-800-788-4085 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Schenkel Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:45 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Database Query Builder, commit changes --- Michael Parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all I need to make some simple changes to a Valentina DB, the Query builder is a great tool and I have everything set to open the tables and edit the fields. The problem comes when I am saving the changes back. If I use the auto edit feature of the Query Builder I get no erros but the changed data is not committed, on refresh the original field contents show. I tried a button with revCommitDatabase currentDB and I get cant find handler error. I am sure there is something simple I am missing, thanks all Michael Parent Hi Michael, Have you ticked the 'Cache record set' checkbox ? If you didn't, you may have refresh problems. When you explicitly refresh the query, do the changes show up or not ? Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Database Query Builder, commit changes
--- michael parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jan, I did not check 'cache record set as I will be opening many different Db files. When I do a change and either click refresh query from Query Builder or through a Button set to the auto refresh action from Query Builder the original Data is displayed on screen. Michael Parent Hi Michael, In that case it's not writing the data back to the database. Hmm, if you have selected the correct primary key, it ought to work. If not, you may have to check with Rev support to see what is causing you problem. Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
On 5/2/05 12:38 PM, Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Would this help? http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_proc003 Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stacks getting 'disconnected'
On 5/2/05 1:22 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the process of trying to make an answer dialog (plan b), I ran across another problem. When opening a new window/sub-stack, does this automatically 'stop using' other stacks? When I closed this new sub-stack, somehow the connection to a library was stopped. Do I have to always define the 'default stack' every time?? Steve, check your closestack and openStack handlers in your main stack... these can be triggered by substacks that open/close if the substack itself doesn't have its own openstack/closestack handlers. And if you're intention is to stop using other stacks when the mainstack closes, closing a substack might accidentally trigger this effect. If this is the problem, several methods exist to solve the problem: 1) Put your openstack/closestack/etc. messages in the first card of the main stack, not the mainstack itself. This will trigger properly when the mainstack closes, but is not in the message hierarchy when substacks close. 2) Put explicit openstack/closestack/etc. handlers in your substacks, even if they are stubs (i.e. on openstack/end openstack). 3) Leave the handlers in the mainstack's stack script, but use this if: on message if the owner of the target is me then -- do your mainstack-specific stuff here else pass message end if end message If this is *not* the problem, you can ignore everything I just told you. ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
Pierre, If you just want to launch an ordinary MacOSX Rev standalone on startup, you can put it in: /System/Library/StartupItems/ You could also put an AppleScript in here to perform all sorts of actions. Along with Ken's tip, you could hide the GUI and make it a background process- although sometimes it is actually nice to have an admin interface visible. HTH, - Brian Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Change of date for ChatRev
Dear Revolutionaries Instead of Friday the 6th May, the ChatRev with Kevin Miller and Ro Nagey will be on Saturday. The time will remain at 17.00 GMT. I also made some minor adjustments on the client, it should now be possible to join without hassle after registering. To join just paste the next line into your message box, and hit enter: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; You need to click register and enter at least a nickname and a password. After that hit connect, and you should join the chat. If you already have registered, use your old nick/password to enter the chat. Best wishes Bjoernke von Gierke -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.cjb.net Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
Thanks Ken and Brian for the help :-) Unfortunaly, this don't feet the need to be able to start the process in root protected mode with access to a socket port 1024. In more detailled words, is it a way to start a rev application from the Darwin shell console even if none of Cocoa nor XWindows are launched (darwin single user console mode start up) ? Best, Pierre Le 2 mai 05, à 23:13, Brian Yennie a écrit : Pierre, If you just want to launch an ordinary MacOSX Rev standalone on startup, you can put it in: /System/Library/StartupItems/ You could also put an AppleScript in here to perform all sorts of actions. Along with Ken's tip, you could hide the GUI and make it a background process- although sometimes it is actually nice to have an admin interface visible. HTH, - Brian Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Theoretically, you could use the rc scripts in the /etc directory to start your app; however, there is an issue with this, where upgrades to the OS can and sometimes do replace these files without asking for permission. These files are the 'normal' way to do it with most *NIX platforms, but Apple warns you *not* to use them for OS X. The correct way to do this with Mac OS X is to place things in /Library/StartupItems. For more details on how to write StartupItems, see this page: http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/10/21/startup.html StartupItems are launched after the GUI is started, but before the login window appears (or the user is logged in automatically, if the machine is insecurely configured to not display a login window). They are indeed run as root, and are not supposed to be graphical in nature (they should be faceless background processes -- what UNIX calls daemons and Windows calls services... On May 2, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Thanks Ken and Brian for the help :-) Unfortunaly, this don't feet the need to be able to start the process in root protected mode with access to a socket port 1024. In more detailled words, is it a way to start a rev application from the Darwin shell console even if none of Cocoa nor XWindows are launched (darwin single user console mode start up) ? Best, Pierre Le 2 mai 05, à 23:13, Brian Yennie a écrit : Pierre, If you just want to launch an ordinary MacOSX Rev standalone on startup, you can put it in: /System/Library/StartupItems/ You could also put an AppleScript in here to perform all sorts of actions. Along with Ken's tip, you could hide the GUI and make it a background process- although sometimes it is actually nice to have an admin interface visible. HTH, - Brian Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdrY27aqtWrR9cZoRAstTAJ9ZsR5IPKBbYzKlNmQVr2/tVnjeswCdG5FZ mxEo9LoBtuDXzm8uDNrXYeM= =RArI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Speakers, Schedule Posted for RevCon West
OK, all you cautious types who've been hanging onto your money, waiting to see who we were going to have speaking in Monterey at RevCon West... Ante up! Chipp and I just finalized the schedule of speakers and topics and posted it at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest/Schedule.htm So pop over there and check out the great conference program! I guarantee the only thing you'll find to complain about is that there's too many time slots where you want to be in both sessions. Once you're convinced that you just can't afford to miss this conference, hop over to the Register NOW! link and sign up. We're going to have by far the biggest gathering of Rev developers ever assembled in one place. And what a beautiful place it is, too! ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
Hi Frank, Le 3 mai 05, à 01:22, Frank D. Engel, Jr. a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Theoretically, you could use the rc scripts in the /etc directory to start your app; however, there is an issue with this, where upgrades to the OS can and sometimes do replace these files without asking for permission. Yeah ! And it's why we have time to time to reinstall or tune some .conf files (Apache, Postgres,..). These files are the 'normal' way to do it with most *NIX platforms, but Apple warns you *not* to use them for OS X. The correct way to do this with Mac OS X is to place things in /Library/StartupItems. For more details on how to write StartupItems, see this page: http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/10/21/startup.html Thanks. Will try those ways. No knowed issues with Rev 2.5.1 it self, in about this kind of configs ? StartupItems are launched after the GUI is started, but before the login window appears (or the user is logged in automatically, if the machine is insecurely configured to not display a login window). They are indeed run as root, and are not supposed to be graphical in nature (they should be faceless background processes -- what UNIX calls daemons and Windows calls services... Thanks again, Best Regards, Pierre On May 2, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Thanks Ken and Brian for the help :-) Unfortunaly, this don't feet the need to be able to start the process in root protected mode with access to a socket port 1024. In more detailled words, is it a way to start a rev application from the Darwin shell console even if none of Cocoa nor XWindows are launched (darwin single user console mode start up) ? Best, Pierre Le 2 mai 05, à 23:13, Brian Yennie a écrit : Pierre, If you just want to launch an ordinary MacOSX Rev standalone on startup, you can put it in: /System/Library/StartupItems/ You could also put an AppleScript in here to perform all sorts of actions. Along with Ken's tip, you could hide the GUI and make it a background process- although sometimes it is actually nice to have an admin interface visible. HTH, - Brian Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdrY27aqtWrR9cZoRAstTAJ9ZsR5IPKBbYzKlNmQVr2/tVnjeswCdG5FZ mxEo9LoBtuDXzm8uDNrXYeM= =RArI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
Hi, Keep in mind that with Tiger (10.4), Apple is providing a new method to start daemons, and other background services -launchd. It is part of the both the client and server. I would imagine that if you were deploying your app on 10.3 or lower you could package it up just like you do for linux. But 10.4 on up it looks like launchd is the way to go. From Apple's website: launchd provides faster startup through a unified framework for starting, stopping and managing daemons, and incorporates inetd, init, mach_init, System Starter and related services. Administrators have a single mechanism for auditing, configuring and setting resources limits on services. Regards, Todd On May 2, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Hello to All, I use Rev as a deamon server (alike Apache, PostgreSQL and so on - not just as a CGI engine) under the linux platform in starting stack's instances in the Init System V way. I would be interested to know if anyone can say if it is possible to get the same result under the Mac OS X platform and if yes, how to set up Rev to be able to start it as a deamon application (witch engine and librairies, how to build the start-up adequate component) ? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Todd Higgins ASG Systems Engineer MICRO Technology Groupe, Inc voice: 215-788-6811 fax: 215-788-1766 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.mtgroupe.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To Rev or not to Rev
On May 2, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Setting those aside, Rev lacks several characteristics most people consider inherent to OO. That doesn't make it bad or good, necessarily. When this thread started, my reaction was because of these missing characteristics, I would have said that Rev is not OO except in a way that doesn't reflect the general benefits of OOP. But the more I think about it, with the benefit of the comments here, I've come to the conclusion that while it is missing some OO characteristics, it also possesses some very significant features that are missing from languages that are considered (at least by some) to be more traditionally OO. Specifically, the more I use Objective C with its dynamic messaging, which is very similar in many ways to Rev's messaging, the more I realize C++'s lacks in this regard. For another example, one cannot write handlers except in the context of an object: an instance of a button, a group, a card, a stack, or whatever; it simply doesn't permit non-OO programming. Having said all that, it really doesn't matter and as you say, none of this is, in itself, good or bad. Rev (and it's related environments such as HC, SC, etc.) can't even be analyzed using traditional computer science analysis. It's just different which is what makes it so damn great! Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to start Rev by shell or startup item in the background under Mac OS X
Pierre, If you just need access to port 1024, I believe it's possible to make root the owner of the application and have access from a GUI app... but I doubt the app will run without Cocoa. I don't think anything other than the Darwin/CGI engine will run on MacOSX if you cannot have Cocoa or XWindows. A while back I talked to Tuviah about a custom Darwin engine with database external embedded and a fork() command for this specific task but I ended up going a different route. I'd say your best (and only other option on MacOS) is to use the Darwin engine. Note that this is not just for CGIs - it can open regular stacks under XWindows. Maybe you could have some sort of XWindows stub libraries installed, or set the DISPLAY to something null. If you could suppress XWindows, it would probably work. - Brian Unfortunaly, this don't feet the need to be able to start the process in root protected mode with access to a socket port 1024. In more detailled words, is it a way to start a rev application from the Darwin shell console even if none of Cocoa nor XWindows are launched (darwin single user console mode start up) ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Rev XML libs and XSLT files...
On May 2, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: I'm wondering where you would need this, since most browsers to the job already as a matter of course... Sivakatirswami One reason to do it within your application is data security : if you display the XML in a browser, and refer to an XSL, you can hide certain data -- but if the user picks 'View the source' in his browser menus, he can see the entire XML file. Another reason to include XSL support is that it allows for context-management server applications: the programmer just delivers the XML, and the CGI-script (or Rev-built web-server) applies an XSL transformation to deliver for GPRS, WAP, PDA,... Yes it's more work for your server or your application if it's done beforehand, but it has its advantages. Jan Schenkel. Sivakatirswami, I am looking into this because by pre-processing the XML/XSLT files, we can trust that even people using odd platfoms (symbian based smartphones, ZetaOS, etc...) will be able to see the HTML files. Also because I am thinking of ditching my own template engine in RevHTTPd in favor of XML/XSLT, thats why wanted to know if I could force the transformation on the Rev side. if the Rev Team could expose the XSLT functions, then I'd be good to go, if it can't well, I can always create shell scripts and hook them with shell(). Cheers andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Applescript
Hey, I'm trying to get Rev to do an Applescript that will talk to either Mail or Entourage (Mac) to auto-generate an email, attach several pdf files and then send the email (with no interaction on my part). The email will always go the the same recipient, but the content will change, so I need to be able to generate that on the fly. Thanks for any help. Marty Knapp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Prevent someone from dragging a toplevel window, or...
On 1 May 2005, at 5:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote: (a) Prevent someone from dragging a window that is a toplevel window (without a snapback solution of resetting the window after the drag is complete); or How about settings it's decorations to empty so there is no draggable title bar? You could fake the close, max min buttons if needed. Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving data in a stack STANDALONE
As a complete beginner with Revolution Ive found it very hard to get a grip on this. Its a big stumbling block for those used to Hypercard, where the IDE was taken for granted, and the concept of a standalone was unfamiliar. But the ability to deliver standalones cross-platform is a major attraction of Revolution so its disappointing that such a key feature as how to save user changes to a stack is hard to grasp. I can understand that a standalone is an application, and as such shouldnt modify itself i.e. the user cant save any changes within the application If you check the box in the Stacks section of Standalone settings that says Move substacks into individual stackfiles then you will be able to save all but the mainStack. This is why people often make the mainStack a splash screen that does nothing except open one of the save-able sub stacks. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Prefs and Settings - best practices
Mikey, I like to store them in the user prefs area (different folder for each OS) as XML files. They're easy to parse, and easy to write to and allow for future updatability. And, because stacks are difficult to create (on the fly) from a server, I generally only use them if I have to store some sort of binary data (logo) with pref files. If you're interested in cross-platform compatiblity, it's best to stay out of the registry, unless you have to be there (file associations). best, Chipp Mikey wrote: So is there a consensus on best-practices to handle settings for Rev apps? Substack? File? Registry? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Prefs and Settings - best practices
Chipp Walters wrote: And, because stacks are difficult to create (on the fly) from a server, I generally only use them if I have to store some sort of binary data (logo) with pref files. What sorts of issues have you found? This seems to work well on my BSD server: #!mc on startup -- make the stack: create stack tt -- set some props to verify it's working: set the destroyStack of stack tt to true set the uTT of stack tt to the long seconds -- put it away: set the filename of stack tt to data/test.mc save stack tt close stack tt -- send something back to the browser: put test-- the long seconds into tData put Content-Type: text/html crlf \ Content-Length: length(tData) crlf crlf put tData end startup -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
registry saving.
Dear Rev Programers, I know that the Mac don't have a registry like windows, but is there way to save program information in a place on the Mac where only the program has access to it and not prying eyes? Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Prefs and Settings - best practices
Hi Richard, For various reasons, we choose not to use MC on the server. The big one being it's unusual high use of resources per connection. Though Pierre has a nice workaround for it using Perl (or is it PHP?), we pretty much standarize on either MySQL or MS SQLserver. I ran into this problem with Item Wizard launch/config files in our Hemingway Content Management System. Originally I had authored them as small read-only stacks, but then found I couldn't create them dynamically from the server w/out installing the MC engine, which we didn't want to do. I ended up re-authoring them in XML. So, now, I think carefully about whether or not the file can be created in XML, and if so, I tend to use it instead of stacks. BTW, I think I remember Geoff Canyon ahwile ago created a STACK-XML-STACK utility. Pretty cool, but I couldn't figure out what I'd do with it, now I know! best, Chipp Richard Gaskin wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: And, because stacks are difficult to create (on the fly) from a server, I generally only use them if I have to store some sort of binary data (logo) with pref files. What sorts of issues have you found? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Podcasting
Hi, Has anyone tried writing tools in Rev to support Podcasting? I'm interested in using Rev to automate many of the production related tasks in Podcasting and even automating uploads. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: registry saving.
Paul Salyers wrote: I know that the Mac don't have a registry like windows, but is there way to save program information in a place on the Mac where only the program has access to it and not prying eyes? Some might recommend using invisible files, but for myself I find it disturbing when I discover hidden files apps have written to my drive, and none of mine do that sort of thing. And remember that with the Windows Registry things are also wide open -- just do Run-regedit and the world is yours. Maybe better would be to hide data in custom props in a stack file that's also used as a critical part of the program. That way, unlike a standard Prefs file, if it's deleted the app won't run. In order to have permissions to save the stack file you'll want to use the Preferences or Application Support folders. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Rev XML libs and XSLT files...
Hi Andre, I looked into using XSLT a couple of years ago to do XML - XHTML transformations for Hemingway, and found the whole thing alarmingly slow, not to mention extremeley difficult to program and debug. Much faster to do it in PHP or ASP or even [probably] Transcript. Perhaps things have changed. -Chipp Andre Garzia wrote: I am looking into this because by pre-processing the XML/XSLT files, we can trust that even people using odd platfoms (symbian based smartphones, ZetaOS, etc...) will be able to see the HTML files. Also because I am thinking of ditching my own template engine in RevHTTPd in favor of XML/XSLT, thats why wanted to know if I could force the transformation on the Rev side. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Podcasting
Jesse, Check out the 'record sound' command in the documentation. Also, you may want to check out Trevor's Quicktime externals at: http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/ as they may be of help in recording audio, too. -Chipp Jesse Sng wrote: Hi, Has anyone tried writing tools in Rev to support Podcasting? I'm interested in using Rev to automate many of the production related tasks in Podcasting and even automating uploads. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: registry saving.
At 12:11 AM 5/3/2005, you wrote: Paul Salyers wrote: I know that the Mac don't have a registry like windows, but is there way to save program information in a place on the Mac where only the program has access to it and not prying eyes? Some might recommend using invisible files, but for myself I find it disturbing when I discover hidden files apps have written to my drive, and none of mine do that sort of thing. And remember that with the Windows Registry things are also wide open -- just do Run-regedit and the world is yours. Maybe better would be to hide data in custom props in a stack file that's also used as a critical part of the program. That way, unlike a standard Prefs file, if it's deleted the app won't run. In order to have permissions to save the stack file you'll want to use the Preferences or Application Support folders. Can custom props keep things like registry keys for all the programs to use. One key opens all the programs. Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Rev XML libs and XSLT files...
--- Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andre, I looked into using XSLT a couple of years ago to do XML - XHTML transformations for Hemingway, and found the whole thing alarmingly slow, not to mention extremeley difficult to program and debug. Much faster to do it in PHP or ASP or even [probably] Transcript. Perhaps things have changed. -Chipp Ah, but then you have to manually craft a script for each XML transformation -- and XSLT is generic and can be done by someone who knows hardly anything about programming. We use it at work to dynamically create custom user interfaces for an in-house web server that is built in Progress -- my colleagues know hardly anything about XSL, but they know enough XML to produce valid XML data from the database queries. Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revSmartSave problems
Hi. I am returning to develop in Revolution after some time away. I am using Rev. 2.5.1 (laterst version). I cannot figure out how to implement the revSmartSave stack. If I choose it from the Development:Plugins Menu, the stack is frozen and won't let me select a time interval. Neither can I close the stack. I have to use Cntrol/Alt/Delet to close RunRev in order to start again. I have looked through the documentation and the list archives with no success. Some people appear to be able to use this plugin although they appear to be on Macs. I am on Windows XP on a fast machine with plenty of ram and hard disk space. All help is very much appreciated! Mark MacKenzie Past Ink Publishing ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: registry saving.
Paul Salyers wrote: Can custom props keep things like registry keys for all the programs to use. One key opens all the programs. If the programs were developed with Rev, yes. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Prevent someone from dragging a toplevel window, or...
On 5/2/05 10:12 PM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 May 2005, at 5:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote: (a) Prevent someone from dragging a window that is a toplevel window (without a snapback solution of resetting the window after the drag is complete); or How about settings it's decorations to empty so there is no draggable title bar? You could fake the close, max min buttons if needed. Thanks Sarah, but unfortunately I don't have control of the topstack... I've decided to settle for 'snapback'; it's a little odd, but acceptable. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
