Re: matchChunk to find fontNames
Hi Claudi, I would not use matchText but would go straight on with 2 repeat loops to parse the html text: one with the fontNames: if tFont is in tText... Another one with tag styles: if i is in tText... Less, less elegant :-( but should do the job :-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 23 juin 05 à 00:29, Claudi Cornaz a écrit : I am trying to implement a text menu and need to find all the fontNames and text attributes in the selectedChunk first to update my menu and afterwards to handle the choice. As long as all the text has all the same attributes (bold / italic etc) it's no problem but I need also to find all the attributes when it's mixed. I have been trying to get the instances of font face= xxx - xxx [Size=yy] [color=#ZZ] to extract all the parts like, the fontname, the size and the color if applicable with matchChunk. I start to understand regex a little bit, but I still did not got it to work just right. Here is what I got sofar to get the whole font face tag: matchChunk(tText, (font face=\[A-z\- ]+\), tStart, tEnd) Some fontNames have spaces or - in theire name but if I add them to the regex like in the above example the end goes on to far like: Stone Sans OS ITC TT-Bold color=#FFzeker/font . . . . . . etc I tried to change the regex part with a $ at the end so it should stop at the char. matchChunk(tText, (font face=\[A-z\- ]+\$), tStart, tEnd) Well, no dice, now it finds nothing no more so obviously I am doing something wrong. How should this be done? Sugestions for a better way to find all the style runs are of course very welcome as well, since I just thought of this way to do it, in fact after quite some thought this came as best solution to my mind, but wether this is the best way to do it, well probably not. Anyway much thanks in advance and all help appreciated So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The sheet effect
Le 22 juin 05, à 23:37, Éric Miclo a écrit : Hello, So I'll post it. Concerning the drawer window it's a little bit more stange: First create a stack and let's call it Main and a substack called Sub. If you set a button's script to: on mouseUp drawer stack Sub end mouseUp when clicked nothing happens. If you set another button's script to: on mouseUp show stack Sub end mouseUp it appears as a drawer with the drawer effect. If you click on the first button the drawer is closed with the drawer effect and reopens but just popping without the drawer effect. I'll submit both of them. Thank you. Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space
on 22/6/05 8:42 pm, Ken Ray wrote : Were you thinking of some formal [ANN]? I have no problem doing that; just wanted to know what you were thinking... ** Why not? It sounds like a potentially big issue that every scripter needs to know about, so [ANN] is appropriate. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: compileIt for revolution?
whatever happened to the old metacard externals example (in the examples in the MCTools menu.)? It had lots of stuff - no explanations but it demoed a lot of good stuff... cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Tweedly Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 03:23 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution? Richard Gaskin wrote: Derek Bump wrote: If one who knows C and could figure out some sort of Transcript wrapper, then it would be possible. There are many freeware and public domain compilers out there, but finding one that successfully compiles DLLs for Revolution is seemingly difficult. I've been trying for a few months now, but with my limited knowledge of C I end up running into errors. I am working on this project, but the *confusing* Externals SDK doesn't help. What aspects have you found confusing? This is only a start - Doesn't say which compilers should work (tells me some that won't - but doesn't say which ones will - and in particular, doesn't say which free ones will :-) (It kind of implies that many of them will, maybe even most of them - but a short list of a few that are expected to work would eliminate that as a possible explanation for troubles run into) - Includes a number of examples which are fragments of C code, without any comments describing the interface being provided, and without showing the corresponding Transcript - Include samples like XSetArray which is a function using the built-in SetArray - but its parameters are never explained, and still something of a mystery. - It doesn't include a tiny, simple example; I'd like to see a very simple example - e.g. return the string hello program - in a separate directory. Not doing OS specific GetComputerName, not calling QT, not just a very, very simple example. With a correspondingly simple Rev stack, and step-by-step instructions (not as detailed as I sent to this list, but some kind of here's the first thing to do instructions). - it intermingles things which are (apart from exceptional cases) fixed with things which are your own, without distinguishing clearly - e.g. There are two header files you'll need to #include, XCmdGlue.h and external.h. ... But there is no external.h file included in the distribution - it means the header file for your code, which will be anything but external.h In fact, the distribution includes article.c and article.h - what should happen is that article.c should #include the article.h - but it doesn't, it #includes external.h - which is non-existent, so you're guaranteed a compile failure at step 1. Not likely to inspire confidence. - it uses examples where the C functions are named with leading underscores - when prepended underscores was described above as (one of ) the reason(s) why the Borland compiler won't work - it includes extra functions that aren't referenced or used (as far as I can tell). e.g. XGetVar and XGetArray are in convolve_and_life.c - but I can't find anywhere they're used. I wonder if a Rev tool set up for writing C, generating the make file, and running GCC would address a lot of this with very little effort -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Dan- Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 8:38:36 PM, you wrote: DS I have a hard time seeing where you and I disagree here. I think DS we're saying the same thing differently. Ah... that may be. But I'm pushing *for* a generic external interface, and you're arguing against it. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Principles for User-Interface Design
Marielle Lange wrote: Let's not start some arguing. Simple question: how many of you swear at your computer. What platform are you using? If you happen to use different platforms, how often do you swear when using each one of them Right, few things are more boring than platform wars. I can honestly say that I swear at all my computers regularly, every day (24/7/365 - I take a day off in leap years) I swear at them for different reasons, but I detest them all equally. Once upon a time I had one computer and we had a mutually-supportive love affair and we were faithful to one another. But we grew old. Now I have a computer for every day of the week and they are all cheating on me behind my back. They are always dialling some server I know nothing about (and talking dirty I suspect). Sometimes they won't let me in without a password, and other times they just won't communicate with me in any way at all. Computers are from Venus, Men are from the funny-farm. Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: matchChunk to find fontNames
Hi Claudi, You are on the right track... but you need to tune your regular expressions a bit. Problem 1: $ means end of the line (not end of the chunk) Problem 2: \ works with perl and unixy languages. I found it not to work with revolution. I usually use font face= quote . Possibly \ is ok in the most recent versions. Info: sometimes, it's a better strategy to list the characters that you don't want rather than the characters that may occur. For this use [^], where ^ means none of the single character that follows. font face=\([^\]+)\ (replace each _\_ with _ quote _ if this doesn't work) Some fontNames have spaces or - in theire name but if I add them to the regex like in the above example the end goes on to far like: Stone Sans OS ITC TT-Bold color=#FFzeker/font . . . . . . etc I tried to change the regex part with a $ at the end so it should stop at the char. matchChunk(tText, (font face=\[A-z\- ]+\$), tStart, tEnd) Well, no dice, now it finds nothing no more so obviously I am doing something wrong. How should this be done? Sugestions for a better way to find all the style runs are of course very welcome as well, since I just thought of this way to do it, in fact after quite some thought this came as best solution to my mind, but wether this is the best way to do it, well probably not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
My dictionary of 61,000 words comes in at 592 K--similar to yours in size. The problem is that it includes a lot of words I've never heard of. For example the dictionary begins with the following: aardvark, aardwolf, aba, abaca, abacist, aback, abacus, abaft, abalone, abamp, abampere, abandon, abandoned, abase, abash, abate, abatement, abatis, abattoir, abaxial, abb, abba, abbacy, abbatial Well, FRELI won't help you there. It's got those too. Too bad we can't write a regex that means take out everything obscure. In the lexicall website, some databases have information about frequency and you have the possibility to enter a range of values of your choosing... you can select words to have a minimum frequency (trick these unusual words have a frequency of -1 or 0; if you take all words with a frequency under 10 you are pretty safe). If you use the url below, you will directly get to see the list of words which have a frequency of 10 or more. http://lexicall.org/repository/results.php?mtd_file=data%2F2_words%2Fenglish%2Fdb_mrc.mtdflds%5B1%5D=WORDminvals%5B5%5D=10submit=Submit Make you enter it as a continuous line in your browser, the 500 words limit has been removed and will remain so for a week, so you will see the full list on your screen. Be patient - 10262 words. In the query above, the 10 corresponds to the minimum frequency value. You can try with higher and lower values and see when you get the list that best suits your needs. Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
OTH, allowing ``a=4'' as a shorthand for ``put 4 into a'' harms nobody, and meets with the expediency criterion; just don't require it. Hi John, I do often write myVar = x. But I like the fact that there is a different logic for properties and variables. set the width to 100 put 100 into myVar You would loose this with the x = 4 syntax. Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
Hi Marielle, I am curious... So I had a look ;-) In fact, if you strip repeated words in your list, it is 5065 words long. Le 23 juin 05 à 12:08, Marielle Lange a écrit : If you use the url below, you will directly get to see the list of words which have a frequency of 10 or more. http://lexicall.org/repository/results.php?mtd_file=data%2F2_words% 2Fenglish%2Fdb_mrc.mtdflds%5B1%5D=WORDminvals%5B5% 5D=10submit=Submit Make you enter it as a continuous line in your browser, the 500 words limit has been removed and will remain so for a week, so you will see the full list on your screen. Be patient - 10262 words. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Resources to learn C programming (was: compileIt for revolution?)
on Wed, 22 Jun 2005 Richard Gaskin wrote: With only 27 keywords in the language, the learning requirement for implementing those sorts of algorithms in C is arguably much lower, and there are infinitely more resources available to get one started with C than with CompileItSpeak. For example, i've read this book written by Mike Westerfield, for ORCA C in Apple II and i like his writing style... :-D Learn to program in C http://www.byteworks.org/resume/samples/ltp.pdf But i've been not able to run his examples in any gnu compiler for windows. :-(( al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Principles for User-Interface Design
On 23 Jun 2005, at 09:43, Martin Baxter wrote: Marielle Lange wrote: Let's not start some arguing. Simple question: how many of you swear at your computer. What platform are you using? If you happen to use different platforms, how often do you swear when using each one of them Right, few things are more boring than platform wars. I can honestly say that I swear at all my computers regularly, every day (24/7/365 - I take a day off in leap years) I swear at them for different reasons, but I detest them all equally. Once upon a time I had one computer and we had a mutually- supportive love affair and we were faithful to one another. But we grew old. Now I have a computer for every day of the week and they are all cheating on me behind my back. They are always dialling some server I know nothing about (and talking dirty I suspect). Sometimes they won't let me in without a password, and other times they just won't communicate with me in any way at all. Computers are from Venus, Men are from the funny-farm. I see you lead an interesting life, Martin. :) I also dislike all my computers, but it's nothing compared to my feelings for printers. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation)
John, Of course you realize that if the = assignment operator was allowed in Transcript put would all but disappear from scripts. Who wants to type putinto vs =. Put would go the way of button vs btn. I find myself reversing my opinion on this one. = would make a nice shorthand notation. I was just concerned that the syntax would be ambiguous to people or compiler. If not, then why not have more compact scripts that are just as readable --just fix all the stupid little bugs before spending more than a day on this. Dennis On Jun 22, 2005, at 11:47 PM, John Vokey wrote: It is fascinating to note that in R (GNU's S) the operator evolved from ``-'' to ``='' despite the ambiguity of the latter (R has both assignment operators (- and -), but still simple ``='' won out. Why? Well, as with the letter ``e'' in English, nobody wants to type 2 characters for the most common operation of assignment; make the rarer cases clumsy, not the most common; hence ``=='' for ``is equal to (logical)''. I (tried to, anyway) taught Pascal for years; the two most common complaints were, in order, the assignment operator (i.e., ``:= is just stupid''), and ``that stupid semi-colon''. Often pristine syntax has to take a back-seat to expedience. OTH, allowing ``a=4'' as a shorthand for ``put 4 into a'' harms nobody, and meets with the expediency criterion; just don't require it. Similarly, no Basic compiler or interpreter ever had any problem discriminating logical statements from assignments, nor did programmers; it was a false purity that Pascal was promoting. Indeed, we exploited it: a=b*(c=2)+d*(c2), which to any Basic programmer (except those in which false meant -1, but simple accommodations in code fixed that), transparently means: a is assigned the value of b given c has the value of 2, otherwise, a is assigned the value of d. On 22-Jun-05, at 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep On Jun 22, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Jon wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: (I always found the whole ==, +=, :=, == syntax mess pretty ugly. I love the elegance of put 32 into x.) Elegance, verbosity. Poe-tay-toe, poe-tah-toe... - JRV -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:41:08 -0500 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed On 6/22/05 8:39 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: My dictionary of 61,000 words comes in at 592 K--similar to yours in size. The problem is that it includes a lot of words I've never heard of. For example the dictionary begins with the following: aardvark, aardwolf, aba, abaca, abacist, aback, abacus, abaft, abalone, abamp, abampere, abandon, abandoned, abase, abash, abate, abatement, abatis, abattoir, abaxial, abb, abba, abbacy, abbatial Well, FRELI won't help you there. It's got those too. Too bad we can't write a regex that means take out everything obscure. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com -- Jacque, What an enterprising person (not me) would do is take the text of several books and create a fequency-of-occurence list using Scott's algorithm, and then delete all words in the dictionary which don't have the necessary frequency. By encorporating you compression suggestion, the decoder stack dropped from 800K to 200K. RR is blazingly fast at decompression. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:53:01 -0700 From: Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 21, Issue 133 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim- Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 5:57:53 PM, you wrote: JH It should be red because it is still a coded letter like all the rest JH of the coded letters in red. Interesting. Mine start out blue. Then when I try out a letter the corresponding letters all turn black. Double-clicking on it restores the encrypted letter, but then I have some letters in blue (the ones I haven't tried yet)and some in red (those that I've rejected). -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, Now I understand you. I suspect I used a message box routine to initially set the color of the encoded field to red. Funny that didn't stick to the download. You might try setting them to red initially and see if it behaves as expected. I may repost the stack. There is also a problem if one drops a character onto a space by accident. And the size of the decoder substack can be cut by 75% using the compression suggestion of Jacque's. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resources to learn C programming
Alejandro Tejada wrote: For example, i've read this book written by Mike Westerfield, for ORCA C in Apple II and i like his writing style... :-D Learn to program in C http://www.byteworks.org/resume/samples/ltp.pdf But i've been not able to run his examples in any gnu compiler for windows. :-(( Haven't seen that one. But in general my favourite writer's style is that of Donald Alcock, in his Illustrating ... series. I had the good fortune to work for him (as a summer job while at university - I learnt more in that 2 months than in most of the rest of the 4 years :-) That was when he was a civil engineer more than he was an author - but even then his writing style was unique and just plain fun. Writing in the first person, informal style for a reference manual for a stress analysis package was something of a breakthrough. And his insistence that hand-lettered text (almost calligraphy) was easier to read than printed text, and made the info easier to understand, was not something I was likely to learn in a university CS course. So I would definitely recommend Illustrating C. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 22/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Dan, et al, programming language that is everything to everyone is nothing to anyone. Not if it does the job. (You'd really like to switch between different programming environments to create bits and pieces of an application?) Isn't C a programming language that is everything to everyone? Is there something one cannot program in C alone? Why would any Transcript scriptor want to write externals in C or Pascal if she could use Transcript syntax instead? I think I've mentioned this before: Dan, I believe you, like moi, have suggested to C programmers new to Transcript that they will find Transcript's verbose syntax to be greatly more productive in terms of lines of code needed to accomplish a given task. So why would you want to use a different, less productive programming language to write externals? Would you feel the same if you had to write externals in Assembler or machine code? Rob Cozens Wisdom entereth not into a malicious mind, and science without conscience is but the ruin of the soul. -- François Rabelais (c. 1494-1553) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Richard, et al: So instead CompileIt! had its own unique syntax and hundreds of symbols one could use to implement things that were algorithmically very much like one would do in Pascal or C. Of course this required a whole other level of knowledge, and for those symbols related to the Mac Toolbox it also required the dozen-volume set of Inside Mac books, and/or the more efficient Think Library (which came with Think C) Are you talking about the same CompileIt! (Rev 2.6.1) I used for years? There was very little difference between HyperTalk and CompileIt! syntax, except for things HyperTalk didn't support: variable typing, record structures, system call glue. My experience is that it is easily an order of magnitude more efficient to write externals in CompileIt! than C or Pascal--and I have professional experience programming in both other languages. If you are programming Mac Toolbox calls, you _will_ have to consult Inside Macintosh regardless of of the language you use. But one doesn't have to consult a dozen volumes unless one is implementing _all_ Toolbox calls. If I want to tap into Mac Program-to-Program Communications, for example, I need one volume: Interprocess Communication. Finally, CompileIt! does not have hundreds of symbols to complete its function...it includes hundreds of symbols that are _already_ defined in Inside Macintosh. If you're programming in another language, you will have to define the same symbols in an include file. I'm really sorry your experience with CompileIt! was such that you didn't get it. Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy Every so often something strange happens on a stretch of Gulf coast shoreline. Fish, crabs, and shrimp all but throw themselves into the arms, baskets, and hand nets of people wading in the beach surf... In a few hours a single person can collect a hundred pounds of shrimp... Gulf folks call it a ''jubilee.'' The reality, at least for the sea's creatures, is less jubilant. They aren't presenting themselves as gifts to man but trying desperately to escape suffocation. -- Ocean's End ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for Revolution?
Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed, hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got rid of begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose. ROTFL/ OMG that's funny. Don't forget scoping, and the overarching paradigm of cards, backgrounds, stacks scripts, properties, and messages and an inheritence path, and the vocabulary, and the fact that nobody could describe what it was, and the fact that it was originally intended to be interpreted not compiled, and therefore DO, and oh hell. You weren't serious so I don't have to add anything here. I mean - really - I was pretty sure xTalk was inspired by COBOL's verbose syntax and...and...choking on my beverage/ . Now that I look at it, I'm having a hard time telling the difference between BASIC and LISP and APL. ROTFL/ Dude, you slay me. Ok, now in case you were serious (and if you were I'm sorry for laughing and making fun of your post) xTalk is now a legacy language type with expectations and conventions and philosophy. I'm reasonably sure that := doesn't fit that philosophy, nor does a=b. If you want compact, you need to go somewhere else. xTalk is intentionally verbose. Philosophically, I like it that way. It means that it is much easier for me to read someone else's code, especially since most of you can't write an intelligent comment in your code to save your lives. I'm going to stop reading this thread now before I REALLY get flamed. -- http://taoofrunrev.blogspot.com http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revCopyFile under Tiger
Thanks all. I probably will end up using the put method, as I intend to compress the files anyway. I was just curious about revCopyFile, and whether or not there was some way to suppress that audio. Sounds like there isn't, at least not right now. There must be some way of doing it, though, since you can disable those sounds as Devin explained (which I found right after I posted my initial message). Anyway, not a big deal, just kind of annoying if you have to copy several files right in a row. Thanks again, Chris On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: When using revCopyFile under 10.4.1, I'm getting the annoying sound that plays whenever you move/copy a file or folder to another location in the Finder. In my opinion, revCopyFile should not play that sound, but I'm sure it does just cause it uses system services to do the copy. Anyone found a way to make that sound not play? Preferably without having to disable something in the OS. What I'm doing is making a little backup utility, and copying files like that with that sound playing possibly hundreds of times is going to be *really* annoying, to say the least. AFAIK, revCopyFile uses AppleScript which calls the Finder, thereby producing the Finder noises. Copying using put URL ... into URL ... as Jacque suggested would get rid of this noise but might cause permissions problems. A further untested suggestion would be to use the shell command, which I think is cp: get shell(cp sourceFile destinationFile) This MIGHT copy OS X bundles and I think it will preserve any permissions. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally The Fluency Company http://www.readnaturally.com -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:08:45 +0100 From: Marielle Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 My dictionary of 61,000 words comes in at 592 K--similar to yours in size. The problem is that it includes a lot of words I've never heard of. For example the dictionary begins with the following: aardvark, aardwolf, aba, abaca, abacist, aback, abacus, abaft, abalone, abamp, abampere, abandon, abandoned, abase, abash, abate, abatement, abatis, abattoir, abaxial, abb, abba, abbacy, abbatial Well, FRELI won't help you there. It's got those too. Too bad we can't write a regex that means take out everything obscure. In the lexicall website, some databases have information about frequency and you have the possibility to enter a range of values of your choosing... you can select words to have a minimum frequency (trick these unusual words have a frequency of -1 or 0; if you take all words with a frequency under 10 you are pretty safe). If you use the url below, you will directly get to see the list of words which have a frequency of 10 or more. http://lexicall.org/repository/results.php?mtd_file=data%2F2_words%2Fenglish%2Fdb_mrc.mtdflds%5B1%5D=WORDminvals%5B5%5D=10submit=Submit Make you enter it as a continuous line in your browser, the 500 words limit has been removed and will remain so for a week, so you will see the full list on your screen. Be patient - 10262 words. In the query above, the 10 corresponds to the minimum frequency value. You can try with higher and lower values and see when you get the list that best suits your needs. Marielle Marielle, This looks interesting. I tried your link, but my computer choked. I run on a 56K modem. With the little bit I did get, there were a lot of duplicates. (This would be easy to filter out though.) Is there some place that I can download the file without having to display it in the browser? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Printing Scripts PAINFUL
OK, ladies, I'm trying to print a script. However, on my printer the text winds up big (like 14 pt. plus), and it overruns the left margin, making the script unreadable. Suggestions? -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Can't see movies on rev site
I am trying to look at the tutorial movies on the runrev site. I am using Tiger on OS X, and Quicktime Pro 7.0.1. I have downloaded and istalled the Ensharpen codec, but I hear only sound. There is no picture. I have tried looking through Revolution Online, but same problem. Any ideas? -- Kaveh Bazargan http://www.river-valley.com/ http://www.holographer.org/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can't see movies on rev site
Hi Kaveh, Did you restart? Don't know but can help :-) Le 23 juin 05 à 17:01, Kaveh Bazargan a écrit : I am trying to look at the tutorial movies on the runrev site. I am using Tiger on OS X, and Quicktime Pro 7.0.1. I have downloaded and istalled the Ensharpen codec, but I hear only sound. There is no picture. I have tried looking through Revolution Online, but same problem. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: compileIt for revolution?
Guess I'll add my two cents. I'm a newbie to Rev (Revolution) but worked over 25 years in Rev (Revelation), another similar, high-typed, extensible, flexible, run as you program, script language. It's an implementation of Pick on the PC. I was considered an expert. I also owned a company and employed programmers. I too, have heard these discussions hundreds of times, over the years. Speed of execution rarely relates to code, or the language, or whether it's compiled, or in pcode or whatever. It always has to do with data, whether the data is in arrays, or a database, or whatever object. Any language can add 2 to 2 instantly, regardless of the syntax. You don't get speed by changing languages, or writing lengthy workarounds, or complaining about your tools. You get speed by designing, in advance, the layout of your data. This requires straight thinking. 1. Know what you are setting out to accomplish before you type one character of code (what are your client's (your) goals?). 2. Layout and optimize the data you are going to access BEFORE writing any code. How are you indexing the data? Is it real indexing or organization? 3. Now write your code. If you find yourself writing spaghetti code, STOP, go back to step 1. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:12 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution? This whole discussion has been revealing and intriguing to me. My favorite programming language is Smalltalk. But before it was possible to create UIs for Smalltalk without writing code, I found it cumbersome. When a product called WindowBuilder came along, I felt like we'd achieved the ultimate development environment. In many ways, I still think that. Smalltalk had other problems, unfortunately, that made it great to code in, difficult to impossible to deploy. Then my second favorite language was Python. The GUI-building tools for Python are pathetic to non-existent. But the language is powerful and elegant and extends naturally. If the PythonCard project I was engaged in before I discovered Revolution had been on a fast track or complete, odds are I'd have never used Rev. Now I favor Transcript and RunRev. Building UIs is all but painless and 95% of what I want or need to do in creating apps is simple inside the elegance of Transcript. But Transcript isn't object- oriented. Two aphorisms came to mind as I read this entire thread again today. One is, No good programmer uses only one tool for everything. The other is, It's a poor workman who blames his tools. ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Scripts PAINFUL
M, Have you selected: View Wrap long script lines ? ...and under preferences you can choose font and size for scripts. It may be set to default- which may be causing the printing prob. S OK, ladies, I'm trying to print a script. However, on my printer the text winds up big (like 14 pt. plus), and it overruns the left margin, making the script unreadable. Suggestions? -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- -- Steve Bonham Director, Faculty Technology Development Laboratory Center for Excellence in Teaching - Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460-8143 -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Scripts PAINFUL
On 6/23/05 9:41 AM, Mikey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, ladies, I'm trying to print a script. However, on my printer the text winds up big (like 14 pt. plus), and it overruns the left margin, making the script unreadable. Suggestions? Copy and paste it into a text editor and print from there, or use Alex Rice's MLXEditor which lets you use most text editors *as* your script editor. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: License key not saved between launches
Thank you to everyone who replied. Turns out I had evaluation versions of the license keys. Once they were replaced with commercial keys, the info is now saved across launches. Steve On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Steve Wright Jr. wrote: I'm installing Revolution and Revolution Dreamcard 2.6 under Mac OS X 10.4. At each launch, I'm prompted to enter my license key information. It is never saved. I've verified with support folks that the privileges are set properly on all the files and the directory containing them. The license.rev file is not locked. This happens on a freshly-installed system, with a new copy of the disk image from the Revolution web site, the Revolution directory copied directly from the disk image into the Applications directory at the root of the drive. Has anyone else run into this issue, and if so, how did you resolve it? Thanks, Steve ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Choosing printer from within a script
Is this possible in Windows? What I want to do is create a custom printer dialog. For the most part, that should not be too difficult. However, choosing which printer you want to print on is both important, and something for which I do not see an obvious technique. There does not appear to be any function like: Put the printers into field myField Or Set the printer to myPrinterName I would use the system printer dialog, except that it causes problems when trying to print multiple collated copies (windows 2000) - it only prints one copy. This means, if you want to print multiple copies, you have to print them unCollated, then collate them yourself after printing - very annoying. Are there shell commands that either return a list of available printers, and that allow you to pick your printer? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
I am curious... So I had a look ;-) In fact, if you strip repeated words in your list, it is 5065 words long. It wouldn't be a big deal to write a revolution script to delete any repeated line, would it? Je parie que c'est ce que tu as fait [I bet it is what you have done]. All that lexicall.org website is work in progress (not progressing very much anymore). It was done on my hobby time, over a few week-ends... I produced a pilot good enough to interest funders and to justify a publication... but there is still ample room for improvement. The project I *really* want to realize is to give easy access from a web-aware standalone (rev, of course), so to be able to provide better functionalities (file opening, file saving, preferences saving, saving of a log which keep a trace of any query that you have run, etc.). So much could be done with revolution!!! If they were ready to pay me a salary over a year (for this project and similar ones) and give me some extra money to pay some of the members of this list for consultancy, they would get the productivity of at least 50% of researchers and teachers increased by at least 5%. *Sigh*. Guess what, that's exactly what I am currently trying to convince various decision bodies of. This bring me to... how much does consultancy cost, approximately, for a month worth of work (responses can be private, of course). Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can't see movies on rev site
At 17:04 +0200 23/6/05, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Kaveh, Did you restart? Don't know but can help :-) I did now, and it works. dohh! Thanks Eric. -- Kaveh Bazargan http://www.river-valley.com/ http://www.holographer.org/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Marielle Lange wrote: OTH, allowing ``a=4'' as a shorthand for ``put 4 into a'' harms nobody, and meets with the expediency criterion; just don't require it. Hi John, I do often write myVar = x. But I like the fact that there is a different logic for properties and variables. set the width to 100 put 100 into myVar You would loose this with the x = 4 syntax. Since it would be optional as it is in other xTalks, nothing would be lost. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for Revolution?
Mikey wrote: Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed, hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got rid of begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose. ROTFL/ OMG that's funny. FWIW, I've read that description almost verbatim from the man who created HyperTalk. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Hello Richard, Since it would be optional as it is in other xTalks, nothing would be lost. Except the spirit :-) Grasp all, lose all... Le 23 juin 05 à 18:53, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Marielle Lange wrote: OTH, allowing ``a=4'' as a shorthand for ``put 4 into a'' harms nobody, and meets with the expediency criterion; just don't require it. Hi John, I do often write myVar = x. But I like the fact that there is a different logic for properties and variables. set the width to 100 put 100 into myVar You would loose this with the x = 4 syntax. Since it would be optional as it is in other xTalks, nothing would be lost. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Here is an answer that everyone might like: The get x construct is already a syntactic equivalent of it= x (left assignment). That could be expanded to the general form it gets x. Now we have a general xTalk flavored version using the new gets keyword. From there just substitute any shortcut for gets like gts or =. There you have it. Elegance, consistency, and brevity! Dennis On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Marielle Lange wrote: OTH, allowing ``a=4'' as a shorthand for ``put 4 into a'' harms nobody, and meets with the expediency criterion; just don't require it. Hi John, I do often write myVar = x. But I like the fact that there is a different logic for properties and variables. set the width to 100 put 100 into myVar You would loose this with the x = 4 syntax. Since it would be optional as it is in other xTalks, nothing would be lost. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
On Jun 23, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: The get x construct is already a syntactic equivalent of it= x (left assignment). That could be expanded to the general form it gets x. Now we have a general xTalk flavored version using the new gets keyword. From there just substitute any shortcut for gets like gts or =. There you have it. Elegance, consistency, and brevity! There is nothing elegant about = for assignment. IMHO, := is much superior and is less offensive. In mathematics = is a relation or sometimes a function or sometimes used in where or let syntax (named value scoping). Commands in xTalk follow the English implied-you imperatives. The deviation from that to a descriptive of the dataflow does not fit. I come from a functional programming background, but I accept the imperative style. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
On Jun 23, 2005, at 4:13 AM, Marielle Lange wrote: But I like the fact that there is a different logic for properties and variables. set the width to 100 put 100 into myVar I'm curious as to why you like the different syntaxes? I sometimes accidently try to use 'put' when I need 'set'. The 'the' word can differentiate, so 'set' is redundant. Redundancy can be good; it catches errors. However, in this case the word 'set' and the word 'the' are next to each other. We might consider making 'the' optional, but it is needed in expressions containing properties. Perhaps there is a model or view that I'm missing that 'set' and 'put into' differentiate. Perhaps one advantage of 'set' over 'put' is that it emphasizes that chunks are not allowed. I don't know why they would not be if we have a simple as if model of what happens. I would not mind if 'put' be allowed for properties and even chunks were allowed. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
What an enterprising person (not me) would do is take the text of several books and create a fequency-of-occurence list using Scott's algorithm, and then delete all words in the dictionary which don't have the necessary frequency. Jim, Excellent suggestion. In fact, it is exactly what the guys from the MRC database have done, back in 1981. This work has been repeated by different teams more than 20 times ;-). The best resource in this area being Celex (English, Dutch, German) -- web interface at: http://www.mpi.nl/world/celex/, but more complex to use than the trick I gave you. Okay, I don't use my academic signature on this list. Okay, I avoid to play it; sometimes I even play it dumb. Seriously, you have one of the world experts in lexical databases on this list. Don't be an entreprising person... ask. I have 2GB of lexical databases and more than 200 scripts to extract all informations you can think of from these lexical databases on my computer. This is my job. If you don't seem to need more than a not too long list of words, I provide no more than that. If you need a solution to any other problem, I either aleady have it or know where you can find what you need. If you want to write an application for kids and limit the words you use to ones that are understood by kids of a given age, I can provide this (this is called Age of Acquisition). If you want to only select easy or difficult to imagine words, to design a pictionary-like game (with some items being easy or difficult to draw), I can provide this (this is called imageability or meaningfullness). If you need words that are part of a same semantic category (for instance clothing items), I can provide this (check out wordnet http://wordnet.princeton.edu/). If you need a list of homophones, homographs, synonyms, etc. I have that on my computer. If you want to write a rhyming book or an application to help kids learn reading (phonics method), I can provide you with the full lists of words which have a specific letter-sound relationship in them: http://www.psy.unsw.edu.au/Users/mlange/GPC/GPC_EN/GPC.html (click on one line on the left, you will have all the words that contain that grapheme-phoneme relationship in them -- a grapheme is a unit of spelling that matches a unit of sound, like ai in pain) It's just that I am an academic. My job security and promotion prospects depend on the papers I publish. I am not supposed to spend any of my time sharing these resources or even knowledge about these resources more largely :-/. I mean, I am encouraged by existing european funding etc., but good researchers know they need to avoid to spend time doing something that doesn't lead to a publication in a well-ranked journal. So, for about 4 years now, I have had about a meter high pile with a printout of page 1 of any website that contains information about words. Because I am an academic, this remains in my office. Yes, I find it stupid too. I find that even more stupid when I get to read papers published by colleagues who would have done research of better quality if they had known about some of these resources. Worse, as a brilliant academic I am just about to submit a big, thick paper which demonstrates that in my field, we have been for the last 20 years providing solutions sometimes simple, sometimes elaborate to a wrongly specified problem (in short, we have been studying one-syllable words only; models efficient at reading one-syllable words are not at two syllable words -- it's more complex than speech synthesis, this is about integrating findings from patients with brain damage, accounting for various word properties like meaning, explaining the learning of reading, explaining second language acquisition, etc., etc.). In short, a better analysis is needed but this would require skills and tools that only about 10-20% of my colleagues have. Just a year of funding and what could be done!!! Ok, I say goodbye to a promising career. That's fine by me. I do more for the advancement of my field and possibly of science than I would ever be able to do on the brilliant academic career path. Nothing in the world is as soft and yielding as water, Yet nothing can better overcome the hard and strong, For they can neither control nor do away with it. The soft overcomes the hard, The yielding overcomes the strong; Every person knows this, But no one can practice it. Who attends to the people would control the land and grain; Who attends to the state would control the whole world; Truth is easily hidden by rhetoric. (From the Tao Te Ching) --- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguistics, Lecturer in Psychology and Informatics University of Edinburgh, UK Homepage: http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/mlange/ Lexicall project: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education project:
Re: TIP: isImagLoaded function
On 6/22/05 1:50 AM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Here's a couple new TAOO XOSMediaLib functions im sure many are going to enjoy! However I know this one feature is much needed so i can release it outside the TAOO framework. here's the little add-on-script i made to see if an image existed or was loaded and by what stack. To use it, just script get imageNameexists(987654) get imageidexists(987654) -- it will return which stack or false. The problem is that this doesn't handle images anywhere other than the current card of a stack, and they have to be raw images sitting on the card (i.e. not in substacks or groups, etc.). So you should expand your code Xavier to support *any* images in a stack, otherwise the purpose of the code (to find if there is an image loaded of a particular ID) is defeated. You have a good framework to get this working - you just need to expand on it. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resources to learn C programming
Alex, On 23.06.2005, at 15:35, Alex Tweedly wrote: Haven't seen that one. But in general my favourite writer's style is that of Donald Alcock, in his Illustrating ... series. I had the good fortune to work for him (as a summer job while at university - I learnt more in that 2 months than in most of the rest of the 4 years :-) That was when he was a civil engineer more than he was an author - but even then his writing style was unique and just plain fun. Writing in the first person, informal style for a reference manual for a stress analysis package was something of a breakthrough. And his insistence that hand-lettered text (almost calligraphy) was easier to read than printed text, and made the info easier to understand, was not something I was likely to learn in a university CS course. So I would definitely recommend Illustrating C. Thanks for that tip, Alex! Simply great!! (that´s really brainfriendly learning) I had a lok at this book at Amazon. I understoond in a few minutes, why you have learned more from this guy in 2 month, than from others in years... Thanks again! regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
Jim, A suggestion: In your application, put the crypted version in uppercase and the uncrypted version in lower case. Studies shows that it is easier to recognize words when they are in the usual (lowercase) format. (Besner, D., Davelaar, E., Alcott, D., Parry, P. (1984). Wholistic reading of alphabetic print: Evidence from the FDM and the FBI. In L. Henderson (Ed.), Orthographies and reading: Perspectives from cognitive psychology, neuropsychology, and linguistics (pp. 121-135). London: Erlbaum.) Also, I couldn't figure out how to take a letter out. I dropped and dragged and dropped a B, randomly, but I was unable to move it around, afterwards, or put it back in the set of unused letters (didn't try long, though). Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: TIP: isImagLoaded function
Ken, Wrong, it, scans all the stacks (listed in the windows variable)... Of course i have a bit more advanced version coming which will scan known and substacks and etc... ;) cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 20:01 To: Use Revolution List Subject: Re: TIP: isImagLoaded function On 6/22/05 1:50 AM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Here's a couple new TAOO XOSMediaLib functions im sure many are going to enjoy! However I know this one feature is much needed so i can release it outside the TAOO framework. here's the little add-on-script i made to see if an image existed or was loaded and by what stack. To use it, just script get imageNameexists(987654) get imageidexists(987654) -- it will return which stack or false. The problem is that this doesn't handle images anywhere other than the current card of a stack, and they have to be raw images sitting on the card (i.e. not in substacks or groups, etc.). So you should expand your code Xavier to support *any* images in a stack, otherwise the purpose of the code (to find if there is an image loaded of a particular ID) is defeated. You have a good framework to get this working - you just need to expand on it. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Eric Chatonet wrote: Hello Richard, Since it would be optional as it is in other xTalks, nothing would be lost. Except the spirit :-) Grasp all, lose all... With the current flexibility of xTalk, we can choose to write: put 1 + tMyVar into tMyVar ..or we can write: add 1 to tMyVar Does it necessarily diminish the language to have these options? I save my religion for Sundays -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Choosing printer from within a script
On 6/23/05 11:13 AM, Lynch, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there shell commands that either return a list of available printers, and that allow you to pick your printer? You can use VBScript for this, and run VBScript from Rev. Here's a page where they talk about getting the list of printers (EnumPrinterConnections): http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/Logon/logon_enumprinterconnections.htm To call VBS from Rev, you basically create a file with the extension .vbs (through put url(file:) or open file/write file/close file) and then execute it, and then delete it (so it doesn't lie around). Here's what I use: function doVBS pVBScript,pDirectConsole if pDirectConsole = then put C:\vbs_temp.vbs into tVBSPath put pVBScript into url (file: tVBSPath) set the hideConsoleWindows to true get shell(cscript.exe //nologo tVBSPath) else set the hideConsoleWindows to true get shell(cscript.exe pVBScript) end if put it into tResult if there is a file tVBSPath then send delete file quote tVBSPath quote to me in 1 second end if if tResult then return tResult end doVBS HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: compileIt for Revolution?
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:15:28 -0400 From: Mikey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: compileIt for Revolution? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed, hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got rid of begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose. ROTFL/ OMG that's funny. Don't forget scoping, and the overarching paradigm of cards, backgrounds, stacks scripts, properties, and messages and an inheritence path, and the vocabulary, and the fact that nobody could describe what it was, and the fact that it was originally intended to be interpreted not compiled, and therefore DO, and oh hell. You weren't serious so I don't have to add anything here. I mean - really - I was pretty sure xTalk was inspired by COBOL's verbose syntax and...and...choking on my beverage/ . Now that I look at it, I'm having a hard time telling the difference between BASIC and LISP and APL. ROTFL/ Dude, you slay me. Ok, now in case you were serious (and if you were I'm sorry for laughing and making fun of your post) xTalk is now a legacy language type with expectations and conventions and philosophy. I'm reasonably sure that := doesn't fit that philosophy, nor does a=b. If you want compact, you need to go somewhere else. xTalk is intentionally verbose. Philosophically, I like it that way. It means that it is much easier for me to read someone else's code, especially since most of you can't write an intelligent comment in your code to save your lives. I'm going to stop reading this thread now before I REALLY get flamed. Well, yes, that might be a good idea actually. Intelligent debates are generally dispassionate and reasonable since intelligent people are after the truth as opposed to stroking their ego. You might have heard of the maxim Fortiter in re , suaviter in modo. If not, look it up. In any event: think about it. Substantively, I stand by my story: xTalk is a scripting language which is clearly derived from Pascal. Don't take my word for it though; get a copy of think pascal (it's free) and look at its debugger and hypercards, its script formatter and hypercards. Or, just read wikipedia. HyperTalk scripts are fairly similar to written English, and use a logic structure similar to the Pascal programming language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTalk HyperTalk is the scripting language of HyperCard and its clones. It is similar in syntax to Pascal, and includes enough object-like data structures and programming aids to make it a quite useful development environment (Allen 103). http://www.iath.virginia.edu/elab/hfl0133.html There's even an entire article on macTech Comparing HyperTalk to Pascal which says, Both Pascal and HyperTalk provide powerful if-then-else control structures with very similar syntax. The specification and calling of user defined functions in Pascal and HyperTalk is almost identical. http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.04/04.09/HyperTalk,Pascal/ Based on the comparisons presented above between Pascal and HyperTalk, it should be clear that HyperTalk is indeed a powerful language with many similarities to Pascal. I could keep looking, but I think I've made my point. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
CompileIt! lovers and haters... YESTERDAY I would have to agree with Rob, here. I used CompileIt! to the point where I made a small C app that RAN externals only and I would get CompileIt! to compile into that app (called HyperApp). I then wrote a front end (in CompileIt!) to write and manage my code in. I've moved a great deal of my code management features from it into Constellation (www.daniels-mara.com/products). The CompileIt! Xternal performance (if there weren't too many text call backs) was breath-taking. Tom Pittman created a great tool there. The early versions were slow to compile and frustrating, but the the last versions were killer and had a very good debugger. Tom Pittman DID write CompileIt! in 68000 assembler using HyperTalk to do that! He was a purist indeed. I learned a tremendous amount about everyday coding using pointers, handles, bitwise math and bunches of goodies--all in my fav lingua, HyperTalk. As a tool, today it would be tremendously helpful. TODAY Doing CompileIt! today would be challenging in a multiplatform environs, because one of the great parts of CompileIt was its toolbox access. HOWEVER, HyperCard had its own toolbox, too. PERHAPS Rev has such a thing that we could call from externals and shield us from the individual API's for the varous platform. These HyperCard callbacks were binary callbacks with data-typed params, so they were every bit as fast as C or a OS toolbox call. WIth Revolution binary callbacks from XCMDs the task of creating a compiler and debugger might be a bit more manageable and certainly would be a fun project. TOMORROW Enough history and what-if's! BOTTOM LINE: I'm interested. My company (Daniels Mara, creators of Constellation) would be interested in discussing a commercial venture. Not sure I'm all that interested in an open-source, design-by-committee free-for-all, I'd, of course, prefer a real project with direction and technical/financial purpose. There are several large hurdles in the process. Let's keep this discussion going. Best, Jerry On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Richard, et al: So instead CompileIt! had its own unique syntax and hundreds of symbols one could use to implement things that were algorithmically very much like one would do in Pascal or C. Of course this required a whole other level of knowledge, and for those symbols related to the Mac Toolbox it also required the dozen-volume set of Inside Mac books, and/or the more efficient Think Library (which came with Think C) Are you talking about the same CompileIt! (Rev 2.6.1) I used for years? There was very little difference between HyperTalk and CompileIt! syntax, except for things HyperTalk didn't support: variable typing, record structures, system call glue. My experience is that it is easily an order of magnitude more efficient to write externals in CompileIt! than C or Pascal--and I have professional experience programming in both other languages. If you are programming Mac Toolbox calls, you _will_ have to consult Inside Macintosh regardless of of the language you use. But one doesn't have to consult a dozen volumes unless one is implementing _all_ Toolbox calls. If I want to tap into Mac Program-to-Program Communications, for example, I need one volume: Interprocess Communication. Finally, CompileIt! does not have hundreds of symbols to complete its function...it includes hundreds of symbols that are _already_ defined in Inside Macintosh. If you're programming in another language, you will have to define the same symbols in an include file. I'm really sorry your experience with CompileIt! was such that you didn't get it. Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy Every so often something strange happens on a stretch of Gulf coast shoreline. Fish, crabs, and shrimp all but throw themselves into the arms, baskets, and hand nets of people wading in the beach surf... In a few hours a single person can collect a hundred pounds of shrimp... Gulf folks call it a ''jubilee.'' The reality, at least for the sea's creatures, is less jubilant. They aren't presenting themselves as gifts to man but trying desperately to escape suffocation. -- Ocean's End ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Choosing printer from within a script
Thanks Ken! What versions of windows allow you to use Vbscript in this way? I see many uses for such a thing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:19 PM To: Use Revolution List Subject: Re: Choosing printer from within a script On 6/23/05 11:13 AM, Lynch, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there shell commands that either return a list of available printers, and that allow you to pick your printer? You can use VBScript for this, and run VBScript from Rev. Here's a page where they talk about getting the list of printers (EnumPrinterConnections): http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/Logon/logon_enumprinterconnections. htm To call VBS from Rev, you basically create a file with the extension .vbs (through put url(file:) or open file/write file/close file) and then execute it, and then delete it (so it doesn't lie around). Here's what I use: function doVBS pVBScript,pDirectConsole if pDirectConsole = then put C:\vbs_temp.vbs into tVBSPath put pVBScript into url (file: tVBSPath) set the hideConsoleWindows to true get shell(cscript.exe //nologo tVBSPath) else set the hideConsoleWindows to true get shell(cscript.exe pVBScript) end if put it into tResult if there is a file tVBSPath then send delete file quote tVBSPath quote to me in 1 second end if if tResult then return tResult end doVBS HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: TIP: isImagLoaded function
On 6/23/05 1:13 PM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Wrong, it, scans all the stacks (listed in the windows variable)... You misunderstood me, Xavier. I didn't say that it only scanned one stack. I said that it wasn't comprehensive enough to be useful. When you ask for: put the number of images in stack stackName You don't get all the images on all cards of the stack - only the current card (whatever is the one you'd see when the stack opens), and it doesn't go into groups, etc. You can see this by making a simple stack, import one image onto card 1, then two on card 2, then navigate back to card 1 and ask for the number of images -- you get '1'... so that means there are two images on card 2 that don't get included in your global, and so the purpose of the function is meaningless. Of course i have a bit more advanced version coming which will scan known and substacks and etc... ;) As long as the etc makes it comprehensive, that's great - otherwise it is of little use, IMHO, because it promises something it can't deliver. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac vs PC .csv files
Thanks, I think I got the idea now. I am sure I can generate the right format .csv for PCs now. Dennis On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:30 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Put the delimiter you want after each line instead of RETURN, then SAVE AS BINARY... otherwise rev will save as text, using the standard for your platform. Thanks, Ken, Eric, and Jon, I was looking to create them in Rev. Importing and exporting them from another program (Excel) is what I am doing now. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: TIP: isImagLoaded function
OOPS! I assumed images were stack-global! Slap me again! I'll fix it later ;) cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 20:25 To: Use Revolution List Subject: Re: TIP: isImagLoaded function On 6/23/05 1:13 PM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Wrong, it, scans all the stacks (listed in the windows variable)... You misunderstood me, Xavier. I didn't say that it only scanned one stack. I said that it wasn't comprehensive enough to be useful. When you ask for: put the number of images in stack stackName You don't get all the images on all cards of the stack - only the current card (whatever is the one you'd see when the stack opens), and it doesn't go into groups, etc. You can see this by making a simple stack, import one image onto card 1, then two on card 2, then navigate back to card 1 and ask for the number of images -- you get '1'... so that means there are two images on card 2 that don't get included in your global, and so the purpose of the function is meaningless. Of course i have a bit more advanced version coming which will scan known and substacks and etc... ;) As long as the etc makes it comprehensive, that's great - otherwise it is of little use, IMHO, because it promises something it can't deliver. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Images in Customproperties
This is interesting... I'm curious where multiple instances of a single image object are needed, what would be the advantages of storing images in customproperties, vs using Rev's option (admittedly a unicornian one, but it works really well.) to set the icon of a button to the id of an image. I use this a lot, where the image library is simply imported into a substack that the user never seesand whenever we want to show it, we simply us a button Sivakatirswami On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:04 PM, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Glen, Scott, This is more at what I was getting at. I made a simple error in thinking that the image tower when stored as a custom property also had its custom properties stored...NOT. Thanks for the enlightenment. Any thoughts on my other question...if I stored an image from my hard drive set the Antennas[Site] of image map to URL binfile:radio.png How can I place this image from my custom property at a later time onto a card? simply put it into any image :-) ... ##create img my img on cd y, if necessary put the Antennas[Site] of image map of cd x into img my img of cd y ... Done :-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Can someone quickly confirm this ( bugzilled already) ... a bit of a serious problem for me at the moment: a) get an .mp3 file... any will do. Make sure the number of chars in the file name (inclusive of extension) is 33 e.g. someFoo.mp3 b) set some player test to this file and confirm it plays as expected on a start player test c) now go to the finder (OSX, Tiger) and change the file name to somefoo0123435678901234567890123456789.mp3 d) now go back, set the player object to this same file which now has a file name with 33 chars... e) start player test here, the player object is now simply dead go back... truncate the file name to 33 chars... try again... now it works.. Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: Can someone quickly confirm this ( bugzilled already) ... a bit of a serious problem for me at the moment: a) get an .mp3 file... any will do. Make sure the number of chars in the file name (inclusive of extension) is 33 e.g. someFoo.mp3 b) set some player test to this file and confirm it plays as expected on a start player test c) now go to the finder (OSX, Tiger) and change the file name to somefoo0123435678901234567890123456789.mp3 d) now go back, set the player object to this same file which now has a file name with 33 chars... e) start player test here, the player object is now simply dead go back... truncate the file name to 33 chars... try again... now it works.. Confirmed, as of November last year. Also, try adding special characters to the file name, such as - or (. These broke playback for me at the time. I would set this at Blocker status because it prevents playback of otherwise playable media. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
I am also noticing, on Mac, at least, the refusal to load images that are reference by long name. For example, a file named Critical Thinking Instructions.png will not load, but a file named Critical Thinking Instr.png will. I haven't played around with enough to see if it is the file name or the whole path. Has anyone else seen this? At 02:08 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: Can someone quickly confirm this ( bugzilled already) ... a bit of a serious problem for me at the moment: a) get an .mp3 file... any will do. Make sure the number of chars in the file name (inclusive of extension) is 33 e.g. someFoo.mp3 b) set some player test to this file and confirm it plays as expected on a start player test c) now go to the finder (OSX, Tiger) and change the file name to somefoo0123435678901234567890123456789.mp3 d) now go back, set the player object to this same file which now has a file name with 33 chars... e) start player test here, the player object is now simply dead go back... truncate the file name to 33 chars... try again... now it works.. Confirmed, as of November last year. Also, try adding special characters to the file name, such as - or (. These broke playback for me at the time. I would set this at Blocker status because it prevents playback of otherwise playable media. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Hi Richard, Don't think it's a problem of religion :-) Or you want to maintain an every day language or you want to allow specialists languages come in. As for me I don't mind : I use both. But I think that all guys who invented Xtalks principles would not agree. In fact, if some distorsions could win over the purists of minimalist programming, I should not be worried ;-) But I am a writer too: So I love words... and hate when they are replaced with simple maths operations. Some civilization question ? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 23 juin 05 à 20:17, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Eric Chatonet wrote: Hello Richard, Since it would be optional as it is in other xTalks, nothing would be lost. Except the spirit :-) Grasp all, lose all... With the current flexibility of xTalk, we can choose to write: put 1 + tMyVar into tMyVar ..or we can write: add 1 to tMyVar Does it necessarily diminish the language to have these options? I save my religion for Sundays So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Hello Peter, Assuming Mac OS... Critical Thinking Instructions.png is 34 chars (you have to count the extension) Critical Thinking Instr.png is 27 chars. The limit is 31 :-) Le 23 juin 05 à 21:14, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : I am also noticing, on Mac, at least, the refusal to load images that are reference by long name. For example, a file named Critical Thinking Instructions.png will not load, but a file named Critical Thinking Instr.png will. I haven't played around with enough to see if it is the file name or the whole path. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Hi all, Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: Can someone quickly confirm this ( bugzilled already) ... a bit of a serious problem for me at the moment: a) get an .mp3 file... any will do. Make sure the number of chars in the file name (inclusive of extension) is 33 ... somefoo0123435678901234567890123456789.mp3 ... here, the player object is now simply dead go back... truncate the file name to 33 chars... try again... now it works.. Confirmed, as of November last year. Also, try adding special characters to the file name, such as - or (. These broke playback for me at the time. like german umlauts and french accents... I would set this at Blocker status because it prevents playback of otherwise playable media. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com this is bug nr. 396 as of 2003-08-20 and it is still marked as NEW!? C'mon RunRev! http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=396 Mark, i am sure you read this, this is not acceptable and a real blocker especially in non english speaking countries like germany with its lots of umlauts etc... PLEASE resolve this one as soon as possible, PLEASE!!! Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Is there a technical reason for Revolution having a 31 char limit in Mac OS X? Obviously the OS and filesystem support longer file names (256 chars) and there must be other Carbon application that support long filenames. Todd On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hello Peter, Assuming Mac OS... Critical Thinking Instructions.png is 34 chars (you have to count the extension) Critical Thinking Instr.png is 27 chars. The limit is 31 :-) Le 23 juin 05 à 21:14, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : I am also noticing, on Mac, at least, the refusal to load images that are reference by long name. For example, a file named Critical Thinking Instructions.png will not load, but a file named Critical Thinking Instr.png will. I haven't played around with enough to see if it is the file name or the whole path. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for Revolution?
Eric- Thursday, June 23, 2005, 11:20:16 AM, you wrote: EE There's even an entire article on macTech Comparing HyperTalk to Pascal which EE says, EE Both Pascal and HyperTalk provide powerful if-then-else control structures EE with very similar syntax. EE The specification and calling of user defined functions in Pascal and EE HyperTalk is almost identical. EE http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.04/04.09/HyperTalk,Pascal/ EE Based on the comparisons presented above between Pascal and HyperTalk, it EE should be clear that HyperTalk is indeed a powerful language with many EE similarities to Pascal. EE I could keep looking, but I think I've made my point. Er... hardly. Conditionals are what makes something a programming language. This is what separates, for example, basic from html. Simply saying that a language has an if-then-else contstruct doesn't make it Pascal. Also, at the time the MacTech article was written Pascal was *the* way to program the Macintosh. Those of us programming in Lightspeed C had to shoehorn our routines in to match the Pascal routines in the toolbox. The articles of that vintage were aimed at the all right... you know how to program the Mac in Pascal, here's where HyperTalk differs from it and how it's similar audience, so the comparisons are de rigeur. *Especially* since the article is titled Comparing HyperTalk to Pascal. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Dar- Thursday, June 23, 2005, 10:40:06 AM, you wrote: DS Commands in xTalk follow the English implied-you imperatives. The DS deviation from that to a descriptive of the dataflow does not fit. I DS come from a functional programming background, but I accept the DS imperative style. Exactly. The verbose xtalk form makes the assignment unambiguous, where C, for example, had to resort to the confusing == operator in order to disambiguate things. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Todd Higgins wrote: Is there a technical reason for Revolution having a 31 char limit in Mac OS X? Obviously the OS and filesystem support longer file names (256 chars) and there must be other Carbon application that support long filenames. Revolution is most likely still using the FSSpec file structure with QuickTime. QuickTime 6 introduced new movie storage functions that support all of the fancy long names but the Rev code needs to be updated to determine if QT 6 is installed and then use the appropriate functions. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Dar, I am not arguing for =, I am arguing for gets and some shortcut that suits, if any. Gets is a cousin of get command that is already a left assignment operator. It does not introduce a new concept to the syntax, but just makes the get construct more general. I actually find it a bit awkward when I have used the get x construct, then decide later to use another variable instead of it. The editing is a lot more than just changing variable names. I have even taken to put x into it on occasion, just so I can more easily change my mind later. I would be happy to be able to change get x to myVariable gets x. Dennis On Jun 23, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: The get x construct is already a syntactic equivalent of it= x (left assignment). That could be expanded to the general form it gets x. Now we have a general xTalk flavored version using the new gets keyword. From there just substitute any shortcut for gets like gts or =. There you have it. Elegance, consistency, and brevity! There is nothing elegant about = for assignment. IMHO, := is much superior and is less offensive. In mathematics = is a relation or sometimes a function or sometimes used in where or let syntax (named value scoping). Commands in xTalk follow the English implied-you imperatives. The deviation from that to a descriptive of the dataflow does not fit. I come from a functional programming background, but I accept the imperative style. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Hi Trevor, On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Todd Higgins wrote: Is there a technical reason for Revolution having a 31 char limit in Mac OS X? Obviously the OS and filesystem support longer file names (256 chars) and there must be other Carbon application that support long filenames. Revolution is most likely still using the FSSpec file structure with QuickTime. Exactly! http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=396 That's exactly what Tuviah mentioned here: --- Additional Comment #1 From Tuviah Snyder 2003-08-22 21:23 --- right this is because we using fsspecs..we plan to look into fixing the 32 char filepath limitation (either use unix paths or fsrefs) in the next release. QuickTime 6 introduced new movie storage functions that support all of the fancy long names but the Rev code needs to be updated to determine if QT 6 is installed and then use the appropriate functions. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
I guess they decided not to fix it in the next release? At 03:26 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Hi Trevor, On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Todd Higgins wrote: Is there a technical reason for Revolution having a 31 char limit in Mac OS X? Obviously the OS and filesystem support longer file names (256 chars) and there must be other Carbon application that support long filenames. Revolution is most likely still using the FSSpec file structure with QuickTime. Exactly! http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=396 That's exactly what Tuviah mentioned here: --- Additional Comment #1 From Tuviah Snyder 2003-08-22 21:23 --- right this is because we using fsspecs..we plan to look into fixing the 32 char filepath limitation (either use unix paths or fsrefs) in the next release. QuickTime 6 introduced new movie storage functions that support all of the fancy long names but the Rev code needs to be updated to determine if QT 6 is installed and then use the appropriate functions. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revSetStackProfile in model stack
It appears the a call in the openStack of a stack that is opened via the modal command has no effect. I changed the command from mode StackName to go to StackName And it works. I haven't tried to play around with it. Has anyone else seen this? Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
So, we are stuck... mmm. I guess i'll have to implement a work around to preserve the long file names in some custom prop, field or global, truncate the file name on disk... reset the player to the truncated file name... all on the fly, when the transcriber finishes work, restore the file to it's original name.. export the matching .xml file (of the transcript and metadata from the discourse) with the long name... all doable, wish me luck! but, ideally this gets fixed on tonite's build and the next patch release that is issued every 72 hours on a cron... Sivakatirswami On Jun 23, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote: I guess they decided not to fix it in the next release? At 03:26 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Hi Trevor, On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Todd Higgins wrote: Is there a technical reason for Revolution having a 31 char limit in Mac OS X? Obviously the OS and filesystem support longer file names (256 chars) and there must be other Carbon application that support long filenames. Revolution is most likely still using the FSSpec file structure with QuickTime. Exactly! http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=396 That's exactly what Tuviah mentioned here: --- Additional Comment #1 From Tuviah Snyder 2003-08-22 21:23 --- right this is because we using fsspecs..we plan to look into fixing the 32 char filepath limitation (either use unix paths or fsrefs) in the next release. QuickTime 6 introduced new movie storage functions that support all of the fancy long names but the Rev code needs to be updated to determine if QT 6 is installed and then use the appropriate functions. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
On Jun 23, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: I would set this at Blocker status because it prevents playback of otherwise playable media. I don't agree with that. First of all, somebody will have a workaround command (3 minutes; 17 lines) shortly after I mail this. Second, blocker means it blocks development testing. The developer can temporarily shorten the names and continue development and testing until a workaround or fix is available. Or did I miss something? Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: So, we are stuck... mmm. I guess i'll have to implement a work around to preserve the long file names in some custom prop, field or global, truncate the file name on disk... reset the player to the truncated file name... all on the fly, when the transcriber finishes work, restore the file to it's original name.. export the matching .xml file (of the transcript and metadata from the discourse) with the long name... all doable, wish me luck! Truncating and then restoring the file name might leave the name shortened on a crash or other abnormal exit, unless you do something special. Perhaps you can use a custom prop on the player and use that in all cases. The setProp handler can then check for name size and do whatever is needed. That might be creating an alias, copying the file, or (as you mentioned) shortening the name. It can also do whatever is needed to clean up after the old name. Quitting need do something simple, such as setting the custom property to empty. (I have no idea whether an alias will really work for a player.) Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Dennis- Thursday, June 23, 2005, 12:57:04 PM, you wrote: DB easily change my mind later. I would be happy to be able to change DB get x to myVariable gets x. That's not the same syntax at all. The analogy for myVariable gets x is put x into myVariable while get x comes out as put x into it -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Convert a standalone stand to a substack
I have a standalone stack (actually the preferences stack from Revolution Online) which I want to make into a substack of another main stack. How can I do that? -- Kaveh Bazargan http://www.river-valley.com/ http://www.holographer.org/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revSetStackProfile in model stack
Hi Peter, May be modal stack stackName could work too ;-) Le 23 juin 05 à 23:00, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : It appears the a call in the openStack of a stack that is opened via the modal command has no effect. I changed the command from mode StackName to go to StackName Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Convert a standalone stand to a substack
Hi Kaveh, 1. Clone the stack you want to make a substack to keep the original unchanged (by typing in the message box: clone stack stackName) 2. Open the property palette for the cloned stack and set it as a substack of the stack you wish in the popup menu (this main stack has to be open) 3. Change the name of the new substack (copy of stack stackName) to what you wish. The job is done ;-) Le 23 juin 05 à 23:44, Kaveh Bazargan a écrit : I have a standalone stack (actually the preferences stack from Revolution Online) which I want to make into a substack of another main stack. How can I do that? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revSetStackProfile in model stack
I meant modal stack StackName The point is: on openStack revSetStackProfile MyProfile end openStack does not work if the stack is opened via modal stack StackName but does work if it is opened via go to stack StackName An ask confirms that revSetStackProfile is being called in both cases. It just doesn't seem to have an effect when using modal stack StackName I haven't created a simpler stack to test this out yet. I was just wondering if anyone has seen this and if there is something I'm missing. At 04:47 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Hi Peter, May be modal stack stackName could work too ;-) Le 23 juin 05 à 23:00, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : It appears the a call in the openStack of a stack that is opened via the modal command has no effect. I changed the command from mode StackName to go to StackName Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revSetStackProfile in model stack
Hi Peter, Sorry for my joke ;-) Never seen this. I worked with profiles for multilingual projects but I think it's not an acomplished feature in Revolution... You are right : the best way is always to make a new test stack to isolate the problem. Let us know... Le 23 juin 05 à 23:58, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : I meant modal stack StackName The point is: on openStack revSetStackProfile MyProfile end openStack does not work if the stack is opened via modal stack StackName but does work if it is opened via go to stack StackName An ask confirms that revSetStackProfile is being called in both cases. It just doesn't seem to have an effect when using modal stack StackName I haven't created a simpler stack to test this out yet. I was just wondering if anyone has seen this and if there is something I'm missing. At 04:47 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Hi Peter, May be modal stack stackName could work too ;-) Le 23 juin 05 à 23:00, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : It appears the a call in the openStack of a stack that is opened via the modal command has no effect. I changed the command from mode StackName to go to StackName Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stack size
Hi all, I'm wondering why when I put a few commands in a preOpenSTack and among the commands is a size stack (height and width) if it is not the last command it doesn't work? And to put it into a openStack its very unprofessional. Lets not discuss the fact that stack sizes do not save . Hershel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
Hi. I've been listening to this discussion and find it intriguing. I personally have nothing against := and = for variable assignment and have used them when using a tool that requires them. I also can quickly adapt to the == concept for comparisons and =+ for incrementing (Though that one still hurts my brain a little). So... while the discussions about operators has been interesting, it is not something that stirred any passion Until the gets discussion that is and then I realized that I do care My problem with the concept of gets is that I can't see how it fits within the conceptual framework of xTalk where we (the coders) are telling an object (a button, a field, etc.) what to do when a certain message is received (on blah). The put and get constructs fall neatly into that vision as does (not surprisingly) most/all other elements (send, do,etc.). In a polite form of the verbose, we are saying Please, Button, when you receive a 'mouseUp' message do this and this and this also. Often, we will throw in a customHandler xxx which the object figures is a message if we don't tell it otherwise and so we don't have to say Send xxx to the target all the time. In contrast what is going on with the gets construct? Here some renegade variable is off filling itself with data and the button can only assume that it is being done... a weird sort of coding delegation which makes sense in a some environments but not xTalk. It is more like Please, Button, when you receive a 'mouseUp' message do this and this and Ooops.. this isn't meant for you so don't pay any attention (Variable... go stuff yourself with something).. and now where were we.. Oh yes.. and this and this...and I hope the variable did its thing because I know you didn't do it Button but I hope the data is there cuz now I need you to do this and this and this also. I mean Where's the message?. I don't mean to be totally facetious but the concept of message path and message passing within the confines of a relatively limited set of near physical objects is in what I view as the core concept of xTalk. The affectation discussion is really about alternatives for those who have learned to program in non-message based environments. (Or so my thoughts at this instant indicate). and this extends to those thinking :=, etc. would be a good addition to Transcript. In contrast I think adding the put x into y construct would help a lot of other code (C, VB, ++) be more readable Getting back to gets... is it really that much harder to type put (the x of y) into z versus z gets the x of y. okay.. back into my hole... Jim James H. MacConnell Consensus Technology, LLC 2200 N. 77th St. seattle, WA 98103-4928 www.consensustech.com Tel: 206.524.8555 Fax: 206.524.3034 On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: I would be happy to be able to change get x to myVariable gets x. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev 2.5 as CGI
Hello All, When I purchased Runtime Revolution last month one of the things that interested me was the capability to quote the web site Let Transcript run facelessly on your server as a script language. I would like to experiment with this concept under OS X. I'm running Tiger if that has any impact. Any and all help/guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Gary Thompson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.5 as CGI
Hi Gary, Welcome to Revolution! A good place I've found to start learning about RevCGI is at Jacque Landman Gay's site, http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/ She has links to other resources along the same vein as well. Good luck! Cheers, Kat http://rugusa.linguistix.net Gary Thompson wrote: Hello All, When I purchased Runtime Revolution last month one of the things that interested me was the capability to quote the web site Let Transcript run facelessly on your server as a script language. I would like to experiment with this concept under OS X. I'm running Tiger if that has any impact. Any and all help/guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Gary Thompson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack size
Hershel, Is this behavior in a stack that had cards before you added menus? Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack size
On 6/23/05 6:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hershel, Is this behavior in a stack that had cards before you added menus? I don't remember seeing any difference. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: matchChunk to find fontNames
Thanks Björnke, Eric and Marielle, You all helped me. In the mean time I got the matchChunkpart also worked out, and am putting it all together now. I will try to make a complete textMenu example, with all the features you ever wanted, plus a few more I hope (well, we will see about that one) Regex can be really fun and it's not quite that difficult after all and tremendously usefull. It took me a while but I learned quite a lot, and all though I don't know every thing I am certainly not afraid of regex anymore. I am putting the last bits and pieces together and smooth the whole thing a bit. It's still quite experimental at the moment, but as soon as it's descent I will post it In the mean time all the best. Claudi On Thursday, June 23, 2005, at 02:18 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: On Jun 23 2005, at 00:29, Claudi Cornaz wrote: Hi all, I am trying to implement a text menu and need to find all the fontNames and text attributes in the selectedChunk first to update my menu and afterwards to handle the choice. As long as all the text has all the same attributes (bold / italic etc) it's no problem but I need also to find all the attributes when it's mixed. I have been trying to get the instances of font face= xxx - xxx [Size=yy] [color=#ZZ] to extract all the parts like, the fontname, the size and the color if applicable with matchChunk. you could get the foregroundColor (or more aptly named the textColor) of the char. The textStyle property reports the current styles delimited by comma, if you query only one style at once. The textSize again returns mixed for a whole selection, but you can get it char per char, and it will give you exact data that way. so for example: --preparation put empty into theColor put empty into theSize put empty into theStyle put word two of the selectedchunk into theStart put word four of the selectedchunk into theEnd put word -1 of the selectedchunk into theField --getting the actual data from the chars repeat with x = theStart to theEnd put (the effective textColor of char x of field theField) comma after theColor put (the effective textSize of char x of field theField) comma after theSize put (the effective textStyle of char x of field theField) comma after theStyle end repeat --now we can do whatever we want with the assembled list --for example to know what the dominant textSize is: put empty into theSizes --adding them up by using an array repeat for each item theItem in theSize add 1 to theSizes[theItem] end repeat --finall cleanup of the data we got combine theSizes using return and comma sort theSizes numeric by item 2 of each put theSizes --and finally you got your most used size! put line -1 of theSizes hope it does what you want? Björnke who wrote this mail Wouter and Mark who gave some vital hints (arrays, counting, sorting) -- http://contest.wecode.org Now running: the first ChatRev coding contest! sponsors: Altuit Andre Garzia Fourth World Karl Becker Runtime Revolution TidBITS in cooperation with eHUG ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
On Jun 23, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote: In contrast I think adding the put x into y construct would help a lot of other code (C, VB, ++) be more readable I was thinking of an arrow pointing into the open top of a shoe box labeled with the variable name on the side. BTW, I like your comments, Jim. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Scripts PAINFUL
Also vote to fix this bug! Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Recently, Dar Scott wrote: I would set this at Blocker status because it prevents playback of otherwise playable media. I don't agree with that. First of all, somebody will have a workaround command (3 minutes; 17 lines) shortly after I mail this. Second, blocker means it blocks development testing. The developer can temporarily shorten the names and continue development and testing until a workaround or fix is available. Or did I miss something? Perhaps. I can see two ways of looking at this: managing your own media and managing users' media. Changing filenames of your own media may be acceptable but changing filenames of a users media is a really bad idea. If you change a filename and for whatever reason you are unable to restore to the original name, I can imagine the user being extremely upset. If you want to deliver a media player now, the only way around this is to have your app duplicate the user's media somewhere on their drive, rename it, and then make sure to delete the duplicate when you're done. For a few files, one by one, this might be OK, but I question whether this is a valid workaround for potentially dozens of multi-megabyte files. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Jerry, Assuming there is sufficient interest what is the first step, and what would THAT cost? I'm thinking that the initial ScriptCompiler (or some better name) would just turn Transcript into machine code. This would be of interest to me (hopefully others) who want to put guarded code in places other than the standalone (for example a proprietary calculation in an order processing stack - where all the other code is accessible). The next step might be array processing or tool box calls or These could be built later and sold separately; for example ScriptCompiler I, ScriptCompiler II, etc. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Latest version of Revolution ?
Mark - Done... Bob- ~~ Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 12:14:12 PM, you wrote: RJE Yes, I know about the Check for Updates but I was hoping somebody from RJE Rev would pick up on my (maybe too) subtle hint at putting the bloody RJE revision number on at least the ftp site files AND the About box. In RJE Richard's words, just another coding convention, at least in my world if RJE not Dar's ;-) RJE I had a feeling that we could easily overwhelm Kevin Co. with requests, RJE but I also felt that a lot of folks did not know about the bug fix version. Do bugzilla this if you haven't already. I know Kevin and Mark are winging their way back to Scotland now and are planning on getting the updater updated to the latest version, but your excellent suggestion about making the revision number obvious in many places should get into the bug database where it can at least get voted on. Personally I'd like to see it in the About box, the Help menu, and the web site. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ -- Robert J. Earp - Ashford Training Technologies* *18059 21A Avenue, South Surrey, British Columbia, Canada. V3S 9V7 T:(1)604 541 1662 Cel:(1)604 612 6688 F:(1)604 541 1686 ~~~ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 22/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revSetStackProfile in model stack
I just did a simple test. A stack with 2 buttons, one opens a substack via modal stack and the other via go to stack. It doesn't work with modal. I'll put it in bugzilla. At 05:07 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry for my joke ;-) Never seen this. I worked with profiles for multilingual projects but I think it's not an acomplished feature in Revolution... You are right : the best way is always to make a new test stack to isolate the problem. Let us know... Le 23 juin 05 à 23:58, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : I meant modal stack StackName The point is: on openStack revSetStackProfile MyProfile end openStack does not work if the stack is opened via modal stack StackName but does work if it is opened via go to stack StackName An ask confirms that revSetStackProfile is being called in both cases. It just doesn't seem to have an effect when using modal stack StackName I haven't created a simpler stack to test this out yet. I was just wondering if anyone has seen this and if there is something I'm missing. At 04:47 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Hi Peter, May be modal stack stackName could work too ;-) Le 23 juin 05 à 23:00, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : It appears the a call in the openStack of a stack that is opened via the modal command has no effect. I changed the command from mode StackName to go to StackName Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object--OTHER
I noticed that when I ran shell scripts to convert WAVE files to MP3, if the file name was long it wouldn't work. If I set the default folder to the location of the files, that seemed to help. I haven't experienced this bug on Windows--but maybe I had already dealt with it on my Mac? Can't remember. tom ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
On Jun 23, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Changing filenames of your own media may be acceptable but changing filenames of a users media is a really bad idea. If you change a filename and for whatever reason you are unable to restore to the original name, I can imagine the user being extremely upset. You are right. And at the time of my comment, I hadn't thought too much into what a workaround would be like. Even so, I think this loss of functionality qualifies as (at most) Major, in that it is a major loss of function. I understand Blocker to mean I can't develop. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Maybe that's what I ended up doing but it was accidental! Maybe I fell asleep at some point. My argument is NOT against the ability to build externals to do whatever one wishes to do, including platform-specific things if you want to make your life more complicated and miserable or if you only have to deliver a product to users of a single platform. My argument is against Rev modifying the engine/tool to accommodate platform- specific features in a way that causes the code of those of us who don't want to use such features to break when it runs on other platforms or to jump through a bunch of conditional hoops all the time to get code to run on other platforms to accommodate single- platform features. On Jun 22, 2005, at 11:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Ah... that may be. But I'm pushing *for* a generic external interface, and you're arguing against it. ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
If you can write externals in Transcript syntax and NOT over-extend the language to accommodate this demand, I don't have an issue. But that is not generally the case. When people talk about writing externals they generally (in my experience at least) mean they want to make the tool do something its built-in language does not inherently know how to do. There is in that desire a strong implication of adding features to the language that I believe will ultimately corrupt it to the point of not being accessible to mere mortals. It's what I call the Javazation of Transcript. If you have a need for something in a program that Transcript simply can't do and if the right way to solve that problem is with an external, then it seems to me you should be willing to move outside the boundaries of the language to do that thing, whatever it is. (These multi-dimensional array manipulations, e.g., can apparently not be done satisfactorily in Transcript.) I'm *always* going to come down on the side of keeping the language as simple as possible. In my opinion, it is already too burdened with baggage that is of use to a tiny fraction of its users in order to accommodate a few people with specific programming needs. As it becomes more complex -- even if those complexities are posited as optional alternatives -- it becomes more and more impenetrable to those who do not have a computer science background or formal computer training. Those folks already have enough languages to pick from. I strongly desire for this one to escape the clutches of the Programming Priesthood. On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Why would any Transcript scriptor want to write externals in C or Pascal if she could use Transcript syntax instead? ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Latest version of Revolution ?
I tried it with 10.4.1 in both the same volume and a different volume.
Hypercard turns on and everything but Reports 9 to 5 is completely broke.
I can't run
Tiger because it destroyed Hypercard.
It didn't for me! I am still using HyperCard with Tiger. I heard that 9
to 5 Reports no longer works but I don;t have that to test. HyperCard
itself still works fine.
Tiger introduced a filepath problem that apparently affects some Classic
apps, including HC. HC's global filepaths break and you can only edit
some scripts (like the Home stack's) remotely.
Upgrading to 10.4.1 apparently fixes it, or alternately you can run HC
from a volume that isn't the startup volume and that works too.
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Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Recently, Dar Scott wrote: Changing filenames of your own media may be acceptable but changing filenames of a users media is a really bad idea. If you change a filename and for whatever reason you are unable to restore to the original name, I can imagine the user being extremely upset. You are right. And at the time of my comment, I hadn't thought too much into what a workaround would be like. Even so, I think this loss of functionality qualifies as (at most) Major, in that it is a major loss of function. I understand Blocker to mean I can't develop. How is this different from I can't deliver? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation
okay.. back into my hole... Yes, Please stay there. I personally have nothing against := and = for variable assignment and have used them My problem with the concept of gets is that I can't see how it fits within the conceptual framework of xTalk var := x var == x var = x --this is a bit tougher var isAssignedToTheValueOf x var gets x are all the same thing! You say one is a good construct and another is an inconsistent construct! That makes your argument inconsistent. You just don't get it ;-) I can't say I can get it into your head, though I can put it into your head. Perhaps Jim gets it now. Ok, this has just turned the corner to religion and I'm outa here... Dennis On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote: Hi. I've been listening to this discussion and find it intriguing. I personally have nothing against := and = for variable assignment and have used them when using a tool that requires them. I also can quickly adapt to the == concept for comparisons and = + for incrementing (Though that one still hurts my brain a little). So... while the discussions about operators has been interesting, it is not something that stirred any passion Until the gets discussion that is and then I realized that I do care My problem with the concept of gets is that I can't see how it fits within the conceptual framework of xTalk where we (the coders) are telling an object (a button, a field, etc.) what to do when a certain message is received (on blah). The put and get constructs fall neatly into that vision as does (not surprisingly) most/all other elements (send, do,etc.). In a polite form of the verbose, we are saying Please, Button, when you receive a 'mouseUp' message do this and this and this also. Often, we will throw in a customHandler xxx which the object figures is a message if we don't tell it otherwise and so we don't have to say Send xxx to the target all the time. In contrast what is going on with the gets construct? Here some renegade variable is off filling itself with data and the button can only assume that it is being done... a weird sort of coding delegation which makes sense in a some environments but not xTalk. It is more like Please, Button, when you receive a 'mouseUp' message do this and this and Ooops.. this isn't meant for you so don't pay any attention (Variable... go stuff yourself with something).. and now where were we.. Oh yes.. and this and this...and I hope the variable did its thing because I know you didn't do it Button but I hope the data is there cuz now I need you to do this and this and this also. I mean Where's the message?. I don't mean to be totally facetious but the concept of message path and message passing within the confines of a relatively limited set of near physical objects is in what I view as the core concept of xTalk. The affectation discussion is really about alternatives for those who have learned to program in non-message based environments. (Or so my thoughts at this instant indicate). and this extends to those thinking :=, etc. would be a good addition to Transcript. In contrast I think adding the put x into y construct would help a lot of other code (C, VB, + +) be more readable Getting back to gets... is it really that much harder to type put (the x of y) into z versus z gets the x of y. okay.. back into my hole... Jim James H. MacConnell Consensus Technology, LLC 2200 N. 77th St. seattle, WA 98103-4928 www.consensustech.com Tel: 206.524.8555 Fax: 206.524.3034 On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: I would be happy to be able to change get x to myVariable gets x. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 21, Issue 136
Hi everyone, here are some still images from the RevConWest trip. http://www.troutfoot.com/rev/index.html Feel free to make copies, share, etc. Sandy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Choosing printer from within a script
On 6/23/05 1:23 PM, Lynch, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ken! What versions of windows allow you to use Vbscript in this way? I see many uses for such a thing. All of 'em... (actually I think you need to have at least Internet Explorer 4.x or later in Windows 95). However different versions of the OS will support different sets of functionality depending on what you're asking for. Keep in mind that certain VBS actions may trigger anti-virus detectors (generally anything that manipulates files like the FileSystem object). But if you're just getting info, you should be safe. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 21, Issue 136
In a message dated 6/23/05 6:24:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.troutfoot.com/rev/index.html Wow, great pictures. Now I know I really was there - was beginning to think it was all a dream. And your slide show - frosting on the cake! Thank you very much. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Dan, Rev is chock full of stuff that I will never use. Perhaps half or more of the commands are irrelevant to my needs. However, I see on this list folks that love those irrelevant things in their applications. You have your ideas about the kind of applications you want to use Rev for. Do you consider everyone else's applications to be irrelevant that do not fit into your concept of what Rev should be used for --dooming them to use tools too arcane to ever accomplish their tasks in a reasonable lifetime? You are not the only one who is too old to spend the rest of his life programming in C ;-) I choose Rev as my language of choice, because I could see accomplishing my ambitious goals in what is left of my expected lifetime. I do not write professionally to sell products to others. I write to solve problems that I want to solve for myself and my friends. I am a renaissance man with many interests and skills. Therefore, my problems are varied and the solutions must be timely for me to have time enjoy them all. Array improvements are a subject near to my heart. Arrays could have been implemented in a way that would make them one or two orders of magnitude faster for the types of applications that need speed. Or, they could have been implemented in a way that would make them more general for other applications. Or, they could do both. In Rev today we sort of have a half attempt at both. You don't have to butcher a language to make it satisfy a large number of needs. A lot of the proposed Butchery that you see on these threads are just a symptom of the needs. The solutions should not to be left unexplored just because the ones with needs are not language architects and make unpalatable suggestions. Rather it should be seen as a call and challenge to the language architects to put their heads together and propose solutions for the needs. Many times the needs can be met by a greater understanding of the more obscure capabilities already in the language. This list is wonderful for getting this kind of help. Many of these obscure capabilities are in fact extensions to the language to provide a low level engine primitive to get around speed issues with doing things in the straight forward algorithmic way. Building special purpose operators to speed up specific applications is how the problems are ultimately solved for everyone. I am all for this, even if I don't need those things for my stuff, because someone else will use those things to make something wonderful that I or others will appreciate and use. I just want the stuff to be useful for at least 5-10% of the folks, and that a good effort is made to make it consistent for the language. I should point out that I agree with 90% of what you say. I just see that you have formed some opinions from you long experience, just as I have from mine. I was involved in the personal computer industry since the first (8008) microprocessor was created. No two persons experience is the same, and therein is the beauty. As a former boss of mine use to say, If you agree with me all the time, one of us is not needed! I too am somewhat disturbed at many commands in the language that seem to specific to a platform or even a database. It is tough to draw the line between the Language and just a package of handlers for your scripting convenience. However, I think a line should be drawn. Core language definitions should be well thought out and not changed. Convenience handlers should be understood as such, bountiful, and improvements permitted. I'm getting too old for these soap boxes --the altitude is getting to me ;-) Dennis On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: I'm *always* going to come down on the side of keeping the language as simple as possible. In my opinion, it is already too burdened with baggage that is of use to a tiny fraction of its users in order to accommodate a few people with specific programming needs. As it becomes more complex -- even if those complexities are posited as optional alternatives -- it becomes more and more impenetrable to those who do not have a computer science background or formal computer training. Those folks already have enough languages to pick from. I strongly desire for this one to escape the clutches of the Programming Priesthood. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Dan, That's what I got from the first post, exactly. I tend to agree with your statement and your logic is sound. (not that you need me to say so) I just wanted to agree to this and don't want to see Rev changed in another direction. Thanks Tom On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:20 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: My argument is NOT against the ability to build externals to do whatever one wishes to do, including platform-specific things if you want to make your life more complicated and miserable or if you only have to deliver a product to users of a single platform. My argument is against Rev modifying the engine/tool to accommodate platform-specific features in a way that causes the code of those of us who don't want to use such features to break when it runs on other platforms or to jump through a bunch of conditional hoops all the time to get code to run on other platforms to accommodate single-platform features. Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 412-831-3094 220 Drake Road Bethel Park, PA 15102 *)) = Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - a Cigar in one hand - a large steak in the other - your body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 21, Issue 136
Very nice slide show with music Sandy, Thank you very much. I just wish I knew which people are which. Also your photography of the surrounding area is very good. Thanks TOm On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:01 PM, SB wrote: Hi everyone, here are some still images from the RevConWest trip. http://www.troutfoot.com/rev/index.html Feel free to make copies, share, etc. Sandy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
