Re: Revolution running on Ubuntu?

2005-08-23 Thread Rishi Viner
Hi Peter, 
I use Rev under Fedora and SuSE linux. Don't expect everything to run 
'perfectly', but it will run very well. One 'gotcha' if you are running under 
KDE: make sure you close klipper (clipboard tool) as it will interfere with 
your cut/copy/paste ability in the script editor. There is a bug filed about 
this problem, but you just have to work around it for now. Hope this helps. 
Cheers,

Rishi Viner.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:51 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Had anyone sucess running Revolution under Ubuntu Linux or
 Debian?
 Best Regards
 Peter

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RE: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane
 Any opinions about the pros and cons of AISIP vs. ASP?

I was Vice President and also a member of the BOD at
the ASP as well as being a member for many years.  The
ASP is good - but I find the politics annoying and found
myself unsubscribing from the newsgroups to avoid that
and the squabbling.  The ASP is a non-profit.  I disliked
the committee to form a committee approach and let my 
membership expire this year.

AISIP is privately owned so there are no politics, any
squabbles (and I can't remember one since inception of
the org') are dealt with immediately by Sue Pinchotta
(the owner operator).  Sue's a great lady and very
fair.  Both the ASP and AISIP have several newsgroups.
I find the signal to noise ratio in AISIP to be of
a higher quality.  Both the ASP and AISIP offer member
discounts on software, books etc.  But best of all
everybody is friendly and willing to help in AISIP,
where as the ASP can be a bit of an in club.  I
was in the in club and felt badly for those who
were not. 

Both org's offer value in different ways.  But I prefer
AISIP.

Scott


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Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Gaskin

Scott Kane wrote:

Actually - there's an internet trade association you
might be interested in.  I was one of the first members.
It's the Association of Independent Software Industry Professionals.
or AISIP for short.

It's a modest fee (under US$25 a year if I remember right) and features
several *private* newsgroups where things like marketing, technical
details and industry news.  URL is:  http://www.aisip.com
While shareware members exist it is not aimed at shareware marketers,
but at anybody distributing software online or offering services
and resources to software developers.  Fantastic atmosphere and
very mature content (it's post moderated to make sure things stay
nice and pleasant).  There are more threads than I can count and
it's more active than the public groups on Usenet.  N.B.  I'm
just a happy subscriber - I make no money or gain any kudos from
recommending it.

If you look at the members page it reads like the who's who of
the online software distribution industry.
http://www.aisip.com/aisip-members.php


Any opinions about the pros and cons of AISIP vs. ASP?

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[ANN] XML Library 1.1.7 Available

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Ray
This is a quick announcement to let those who have used the STS XML Library
that there's a minor update that takes care of a couple of regex bugs that
will enable it to work properly in Rev 2.6.

You can download your copy of 1.1.7 at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/metacard/xmllib.htm

Thos of you who purchased the Standard version, you should be receiving
upgrades in your email (let me know if you don't get it).

Thanks,

Ken Ray
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Getting All the non grouped controls in a card

2005-08-23 Thread David Burgun

Hi All,

How can I get all the controls of a Card that are not in a Group?

repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack 
StackPath/StackName.rev


seems to return all controls whether they are in a Group or not.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave
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Re: Getting All the non grouped controls in a card

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Dave,

repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack  
StackPath/StackName.rev
  if word 1 of the owner of control myIndex of card 1 of stack  
StackPath/StackName.rev = group then
put the long ID of control myIndex of card 1 of stack StackPath/ 
StackName.rev  cr after tGroupedControlsList

  end if
end repeat

Take care of carriage returns ;-)
Hope this helps.

Le 23 août 05 à 15:16, David Burgun a écrit :


Hi All,

How can I get all the controls of a Card that are not in a Group?

repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack  
StackPath/StackName.rev


seems to return all controls whether they are in a Group or not.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave



Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

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Re[2]: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread rrevolution
Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:25:16 PM (GMT +02:00)

Hi Scott and to all ppl here,

Armadillo sux. Even the application was fully
cracked.
Also, there are some protectors/packers that
offers more protection that Armadillo does.
No offence, this is my ideea.

Can I have an trial application packed with
Armadillo from you ? And you agree to make reverse
engineering on it?

mail it to me to : bestcd at softhome.net

Thanks.

regards,
Adrian C.
__
Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 4:44:57 AM
Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

 I don't suspect this kind of thing would be hard to roll your own.  
 The hard part is coming up with an unlock code/mechanism 
 that can't  
 be trivially cracked.

 On Windows I use Armadillo -
 http://www.siliconrealms.com

 I've never been cracked.  It blocks Soft Ice and similar
 debuggers and even if they unwrap the protective shield
 around the app' I use nanomites (a feature of Armadillo)
 to obfuscate critical parts of the code.  Not only are
 these impossible to decipher Armadillo places over 2,500
 fake entry points into the app' making cracking a nightmare.
 Crackers web pages I've visited to see how Armadillo stacked
 up advise wanna-be pirates to choose a program that is not
 protect by Armadillo instead.  I haven't tried it with Rev
 and it is *only* a Windows 32 and 64 bit tool.  It also
 shrinks the final executable.

 A traditional way of protecting an app' is leaving critical code
 blocks out of the trial version.  There is less chance of
 a hacker getting the missing code blocks and making their
 own that there is for them enabling something that is disabled
 for the demo.  For example - being able to add new records
 to a database by providing only the code for editing and
 not inserting.

 Scott Kane
 Moderator: comp.software.shareware.*


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Repost: Simple question: html link in browser opening a Rev Stack?

2005-08-23 Thread david bovill

Sorry to post again any ideas?


Begin forwarded message:


From: david bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 August 2005 15:20:48 GMT+02:00
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Simple question: html link in browser opening a Rev Stack?
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Been a while since I've done this - can someone help?

From memory there are 1 or 2 things that must be set up for this to  
work properly:


  1. Mime types set up on local machine so that the browser  
recognises stack as something to be opened by Rev
  2. Possibly mime types set on http server - is this only for  
saving file type during download?


From memory I remember a stack that automatically set the default  
browser to do this? Does this stack still exist? What are the cross- 
platform / cross browser issues here - mainly interested in OSX and  
Linux for next week.

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Sending mail via libSMTP on cgi

2005-08-23 Thread Thomas McCarthy

There is egg on my cgi face.
1. form mail is only used for recieving submissions--not for sending out emails 
to various address. 

2. I tried plan B (use rev) I uploaded Andre's Raw SMTP stack (after adapting 
it for testing) Failed. Then I remembered my host won't allow sockets to be 
opened.

3. Plan C: Ask the RevList.

I've already given up on the idea of running a rev chat program from my host 
server (socket problem, again). I may have to give up this idea as well.

tom


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Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread Andre Garzia


On Aug 23, 2005, at 2:11 AM, Scott Kane wrote:


Just waiting for Andre to finish it and release it.



Seeing that Kagi is Mac Mecca (g) I'd be very pleased
to hear when it is finished!  :-)

Scott



The module is almost done. I am testing it on Tiger.

cheers
andre





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Access DB RunRev

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Salyers

Is it possible to extract records from Access db using Rev.?



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RE: Re[2]: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane

 Armadillo sux. Even the application was fully
 cracked.
 Also, there are some protectors/packers that
 offers more protection that Armadillo does.
 No offence, this is my ideea.

Nothing is ever un-crackable.  Armadillo comes
pretty close.  ASProtect is cracked in minutes.
I did it myself (I also own ASProtect).  I've
not managed to crack Arm.  Especially with the
nanomites - and I know where they are!
 
 Can I have an trial application packed with
 Armadillo from you ? And you agree to make reverse
 engineering on it?

As long as you do it privately and only notify/show
me then yes.  Try http://www.proherp.com

Download the software Free Herp.  It's freeware,
but it has certain restrictions and they are protected
by Arm.

You can contact me direct using [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Scott


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RE: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane
 The module is almost done. I am testing it on Tiger.

Thanks Andre!  Looking forward to it.  :-)

Scott


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RE: Access DB RunRev

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane
 Is it possible to extract records from Access db using Rev.?

Isn't Rev ODBC compatible?  If so then yes - providing
you have the ODBC driver (installed with Access or auto
installed in Windows XP).

Scott


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The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

2005-08-23 Thread Andre Garzia


On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:39 AM, Scott Kane wrote:


The module is almost done. I am testing it on Tiger.



Thanks Andre!  Looking forward to it.  :-)

Scott



Scott,

The Revolution KRM (Kagi Registration Module) is a Revolution Stack  
that plays the role of middle man talking to secure Kagi Server and  
your app. It is very easy to use and very secure. Nothing is ever  
stored on customprops or stuff like that. The connection is secure  
and kagi protocol is very wise about errors.


The module is more than 80% done (as I showed on RevConWest) the only  
things missing are:


* I am stress testing error functions.
* I fiddling with unicode values to see if the library can handle it  
well.


Of course there are armadillo, eSellerate and even PayPal IPN  
solution. You can use any of those solutions to collect money and  
some to work out the registrarion of your app and stuff like that but  
Rev KRM is the only cross platform solution... it's built in Rev for  
Rev...


cheers
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Basic Object Address Question

2005-08-23 Thread David Burgun

Hi,


I am a bit confused, should the following code work?

put the long name of card 1 into myCardName
put the name of control 1 of card myCardName into myControlName

I get an error when I try to do this and changed the code to:

put the name of control 1 of card myCard of stack myStack into my ControlName

Which is ok, but what I really want to be able to do is this:

put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName -- String of 
something like group x of group y of group z of card c of stack s

put the name of group myGroupName into myGroupName.


Any Ideas?

Thanks a lot
Dave

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Re: Basic Object Address Question

2005-08-23 Thread Andre Garzia


Dave,

it's just a mistake, see that when you put the long name of a control  
into a var, that variable also contains the type of control, it's a  
complete reference. for example, on a newly created stack, the long  
name of card 1 returns:


card id 1002 of stack Untitled 1

So if you put the long name of a control into a variable, when you're  
using it, you don't need the control kind, so your example should be:


put the long name of card 1 into myCardName
put the name of control 1 of myCardName 


See?

Cheers
andre


On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:00 PM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,


I am a bit confused, should the following code work?

put the long name of card 1 into myCardName
put the name of control 1 of card myCardName into myControlName

I get an error when I try to do this and changed the code to:

put the name of control 1 of card myCard of stack myStack into my  
ControlName


Which is ok, but what I really want to be able to do is this:

put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName -- String of  
something like group x of group y of group z of card c of stack s

put the name of group myGroupName into myGroupName.


Any Ideas?

Thanks a lot
Dave

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Re: Basic Object Address Question

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Dave,

Try:

put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName
-- myGroupName is now a variable that includes all information about  
the control
-- so you do not need to write: put the name of group myGroupName,  
but only:

put the short name of myGroupName

Le 23 août 05 à 17:00, David Burgun a écrit :


Hi,


I am a bit confused, should the following code work?

put the long name of card 1 into myCardName
put the name of control 1 of card myCardName into myControlName

I get an error when I try to do this and changed the code to:

put the name of control 1 of card myCard of stack myStack into my  
ControlName


Which is ok, but what I really want to be able to do is this:

put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName -- String of  
something like group x of group y of group z of card c of stack s

put the name of group myGroupName into myGroupName.


Any Ideas?

Thanks a lot
Dave



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For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane
Hi Andre,

 The Revolution KRM (Kagi Registration Module) is a Revolution Stack  
 that plays the role of middle man talking to secure Kagi Server and  
 your app. It is very easy to use and very secure. Nothing is ever  
 stored on customprops or stuff like that. The connection is secure  
 and kagi protocol is very wise about errors.
 
 The module is more than 80% done (as I showed on RevConWest) 
 the only  
 things missing are:
 
 * I am stress testing error functions.
 * I fiddling with unicode values to see if the library can handle it  
 well.
 
 Of course there are armadillo, eSellerate and even PayPal IPN  
 solution. You can use any of those solutions to collect money and  
 some to work out the registrarion of your app and stuff like 
 that but  
 Rev KRM is the only cross platform solution... it's built in Rev for  
 Rev...

Sounds perfect.  Just what the doctor ordered!  :-)

Scott


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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane

 My concern about Kagi -- and I've been a member for a long 
 time -- is  
 that their rates are quite high when compared, e.g., to PayPal.

I'm with Regsoft right now and have been for some years.
But DigitalRiver have been making some noises that RegSoft
is a ageing platform, which does not sound good.
 
 I'm using PayPal and a PayPal support service called SoftSeller to  
 handle the soft-goods fulfillment. They charge 25 cents per download  
 regardless of how many files are in the download.

I'm not rapt with PayPals rule changing.  But they are cheap.
 
 But none of this addresses the original concern of having partial  
 software services available pending an unlock code. I think that  
 requires individual scripting in the stack and some sort of  
 registration process that doesn't actually deliver a product but  
 rather a code that the user can use to unlock the software for full  
 access. (Of course, there's no reason that you couldn't deliver a  
 full version of the software as the second step, overwriting the  
 original, crippled version, in which case something like  
 softseller.com could work nicely.)

This is an issue that is discussed over and over on various 
newsgroups.  In some ways I think it depends on the product,
the type of customer and the size of the app.  A 20 meg
app isn't an attractive option for re-download.  But a
developer tool is.  Of course - I don't write 20 meg app's.  g

Scott


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Re: Sending mail via libSMTP on cgi

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/23/05 9:25 AM, Thomas McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is egg on my cgi face.
 1. form mail is only used for recieving submissions--not for sending out
 emails to various address.
 
 2. I tried plan B (use rev) I uploaded Andre's Raw SMTP stack (after adapting
 it for testing) Failed. Then I remembered my host won't allow sockets to be
 opened.
 
 3. Plan C: Ask the RevList.
 
 I've already given up on the idea of running a rev chat program from my host
 server (socket problem, again). I may have to give up this idea as well.

Is your host server running Linux? If so, there should be a 'sendmail'
program either in the 'bin' or 'usr/bin' folders that you can use a Rev CGI
with. Here's an example of a CGI I use (based on Richard Gaskin's standard
CGI lib) that sends bug report emails to me from RevZilla (see the mailMe
handler for the good stuff). Obviously it can be adapted for general use.
(Watch for line wraps!)

---
#!mc

local sInArray, sCommand, sKeys, sOutData

--| RevZilla Bug Reporting CGI
--| Version: 1.1
--|
--|
--| Used for forwarding bug reports submitted on RevZilla

on startup
  StartCGI
  --
  put Summary:   sInArray[summary]  cr  cr  Description:  
sInArray[desc]  cr  cr  From:   sInArray[email] into tMessage
  mailMe tMessage
  put ok into sOutData
  --
  EndCGI
end startup


on mailMe pMessage
  put /usr/sbin/sendmail -t into mprocess
  put Bug report dated:   (the short date)  cr  --  cr  cr
 urldecode(pMessage) into pMessage
  
  open process mprocess for write
  
  write From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  cr to process mprocess
  write To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  cr to process mprocess
  write Subject:  RevZilla Bug Report  cr  cr to process mprocess
  write pMessage  cr to process mprocess
  
  close process mprocess
  wait until the openprocesses is empty
end mailMe

--==--
-- 4w std cgi lib
--

on StartCGI
  put GetPostDataArray() into sInArray
  put the keys of sInArray into sKeys
  put sInArray[cmd] into sCommand
end StartCGI

on EndCGI
  SendDataBackToClient sOutData
end EndCGI


function GetPostData
  global gTestlocal, gCgiIn
  if gTestlocal is true then
return gCgiIn
  else
if $REQUEST_METHOD is POST then
  put $CONTENT_LENGTH into tLen
  repeat
read from stdin until empty
put it after tInput
if tLen = length(tInput) then
  exit repeat
end if
  end repeat
  return tInput
else
  put Error calling CGI:  Data must be sent as POST.
end if
  end if
end GetPostData


function GetPostDataArray
  put GetPostData() into tData
  split tData by  and =
  return tData
end GetPostDataArray


on SendDataBackToClient
  global gTestlocal, gCgiOut
  if gTestlocal is true then
put sOutData into gCgiOut
  else
put Content-Type: text/html  crlf \
Content-Length: length(sOutData)  crlf  crlf
put sOutData
  end if
end SendDataBackToClient

Enjoy!



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Re: Getting All the non grouped controls in a card

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/23/05 8:21 AM, Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi Dave,
 
 repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack
 StackPath/StackName.rev
if word 1 of the owner of control myIndex of card 1 of stack
 StackPath/StackName.rev = group then
  put the long ID of control myIndex of card 1 of stack StackPath/
 StackName.rev  cr after tGroupedControlsList
end if
 end repeat

Actually, Eric, he was asking for those controls *not* in a group, but your
code works with one minor adjustment (and a name change):

repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack
StackPath/StackName.rev
   if word 1 of the owner of control myIndex of card 1 of stack
StackPath/StackName.rev  group then
 put the long ID of control myIndex of card 1 of stack StackPath/
StackName.rev  cr after tUnGroupedControlsList
   end if
end repeat

:-)

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Re: Getting All the non grouped controls in a card

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Ken and Dave,

I just come back from holydays :-)
Absent-mindedness...
Bad English...
My apologies to Dave!
My thanks to Ken ;-)

Le 23 août 05 à 17:58, Ken Ray a écrit :

On 8/23/05 8:21 AM, Eric Chatonet  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:



Hi Dave,

repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack
StackPath/StackName.rev
   if word 1 of the owner of control myIndex of card 1 of stack
StackPath/StackName.rev = group then
 put the long ID of control myIndex of card 1 of stack  
StackPath/

StackName.rev  cr after tGroupedControlsList
   end if
end repeat



Actually, Eric, he was asking for those controls *not* in a group,  
but your

code works with one minor adjustment (and a name change):

repeat with myIndex = 1 to number of controls in card 1 of stack
StackPath/StackName.rev
   if word 1 of the owner of control myIndex of card 1 of stack
StackPath/StackName.rev  group then
 put the long ID of control myIndex of card 1 of stack StackPath/
StackName.rev  cr after tUnGroupedControlsList
   end if
end repeat

:-)

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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

2005-08-23 Thread MisterX
Scott, 

This all depends on the application and its popularity... 

i dont care to download 20MBs updates or 300 demos if they are good
or critically needed or if they give me a 10% boost...

i also got unlimided downloads and adsl going so...
downloads dont have a price... they just compete for
diskspace...

Elasticity of demand economix... 

cheers
Xav
 
 This is an issue that is discussed over and over on various 
 newsgroups.  In some ways I think it depends on the product, 
 the type of customer and the size of the app.  A 20 meg app 
 isn't an attractive option for re-download.  But a developer 
 tool is.  Of course - I don't write 20 meg app's.  g
 
 Scott
 
 
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Re: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

2005-08-23 Thread Dan Shafer
My concern about Kagi -- and I've been a member for a long time -- is  
that their rates are quite high when compared, e.g., to PayPal.


I'm using PayPal and a PayPal support service called SoftSeller to  
handle the soft-goods fulfillment. They charge 25 cents per download  
regardless of how many files are in the download.


But none of this addresses the original concern of having partial  
software services available pending an unlock code. I think that  
requires individual scripting in the stack and some sort of  
registration process that doesn't actually deliver a product but  
rather a code that the user can use to unlock the software for full  
access. (Of course, there's no reason that you couldn't deliver a  
full version of the software as the second step, overwriting the  
original, crippled version, in which case something like  
softseller.com could work nicely.)





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RE: Basic Object Address Question - and wrapper answers sauce a la TAOO

2005-08-23 Thread MisterX
 On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet
 Dave,
 
 Try:
 
 put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName
 -- myGroupName is now a variable that includes all information about  
 the control
 -- so you do not need to write: put the name of group myGroupName,  
 but only:
 put the short name of myGroupName

Eric,

This is my favorite way to talk to objects...

  put the long name of control x into thisobject

you can do everything safely now to your thisobject...

  set the rect of this object to arect

except assuming thisobject is a field

  delete line 2 of thisobject

or worse

  put empty into thisfield

you are then working on the variable, emptying it's valuable content...
so this requires the clever dynamic script trick i love so much:

  do put empty into  thisfield

[see the do command in the revdocs ;)]

Test it a bit... to avoid lengthy checking of what went wrong
try first to 
  get command string -- eg get the time
  do it

If you breakpoint after the get, you can easily see the command that is
going to be fed to the compiler... eh, sorry, interpreter... Dynamic scripts
are slower - but not that slow...

- wrappers a la Taoo - delicious with a great IDE like Rev...

This lends itself to wrappers anytime! How to build your own libraries? ...

do something to this library context object...
so in brief, we modularize and normalize (reduce) handlers to their minimum
such that they are strictly verbobject params. Here for a field class
library we have a great example... verbfield with some exceptions that
require dynamic scripting.

And it's the way TAOO or many other libraries work too - using both the
basic long name reference and the dynamic execution. I know some expensive
tools that dont do this and they suffer badly from it! Remember the key is
to use the long name. It avoids all confusions.

on ClearFields objs
  repeat for each line thisobj in objs
   if exists(thisobj)
   then do put empty into  thisobj
  end repeat
end ClearFields

For more examples, try my geometry manager GIM.rev on MonsieurX.com (easy to
'find').

Since the long name contains the full path to any control, you can't miss
working on the right field or tripping on a changed-name field!!!

Remember also that the long ID of a control is less likely to change within
a stack than a long name. That's assuming you dont replicate this one to
other stacks where names dont change but IDs do! - IDs have their short
comings too...

And so with that concludes this little trick of TAOO wrapping and Xtalk
object addressing in the single, plural form ;)

More about this very soon (ed.)

cheerios
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/taoo


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Eric Chatonet
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 17:09
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: Basic Object Address Question
 
 Dave,
 
 Try:
 
 put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName
 -- myGroupName is now a variable that includes all information about  
 the control
 -- so you do not need to write: put the name of group myGroupName,  
 but only:
 put the short name of myGroupName
 
 Le 23 août 05 à 17:00, David Burgun a écrit :
 
  Hi,
 
 
  I am a bit confused, should the following code work?
 
  put the long name of card 1 into myCardName
  put the name of control 1 of card myCardName into myControlName
 
  I get an error when I try to do this and changed the code to:
 
  put the name of control 1 of card myCard of stack myStack into my  
  ControlName
 
  Which is ok, but what I really want to be able to do is this:
 
  put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName -- String of  
  something like group x of group y of group z of card c of stack s
  put the name of group myGroupName into myGroupName.
 
 
  Any Ideas?
 
  Thanks a lot
  Dave
 
 
 Best Regards from Paris,
 
 Eric Chatonet.
 
 So Smart Software
 
 For institutions, companies and associations
 Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
 Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
 
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RE: Access DB RunRev

2005-08-23 Thread MisterX
via vbs is probably your best bet...

or the quick and dirty export tables to text files... 

xml may be the best way to keep your records and sub table's contents
together... 

or

you can use Chipp's AltSQLite plugin to go directly to offline sql...

hope that guides you...

cheers
Xavier 

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 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 16:34
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Access DB  RunRev
 
 Is it possible to extract records from Access db using Rev.?
 
 
 
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RE: Getting All the non grouped controls in a card

2005-08-23 Thread MisterX

 
 Actually, Eric, he was asking for those controls *not* in a 
 group, but your code works with one minor adjustment (and a 
 name change):

Ken is right...

but in the basic object address form it's much easier to read...

put the long name of cd 1 of stack StackPath/StackName.rev into thiscd
put the number of controls in thiscd into controlcount

repeat with x = 1 to controlcount
  get the long name of the owner of control x of thiscd
  if it is not thiscd then
put it  cr after controllist
-- or 
put it into cdcontrols[x]
  end if
end repeat

and there more variations im sure ;)

just replace the long id|name for the id|name match ;)

Oh yes, all these types of things are already in GIM 
since 2 months - available for the curious...

cheers
Xavier

http://monsieurx.com/taoo - 90% of your scripting is done...
isn't it time you started getting the application put together faster?


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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane
 This all depends on the application and its popularity... 

To some extent.  You and I have ADSL - but a huge proportion
of the world are still relying on good old dial up and will
be for some years to come.
 
 i dont care to download 20MBs updates or 300 demos if they 
 are good or critically needed or if they give me a 10% boost...

Nor do I.  But I have customers who *do*.

 i also got unlimided downloads and adsl going so...
 downloads dont have a price... they just compete for diskspace...

You filling your HD's like I am huh?  Hardest thing in my life is
sorting out the stuff I don't need.  g  I have a 32 gig drive 
just for backups of tools I use sometimes.

 Elasticity of demand economix... 

True.  But we still can't lose sight of the fact that the
majority of the world isn't in our position.  ADSL in
Australia is *still* relatively expensive and most plans
have a maximum number of megs (or gigs) you can pull down
a month.  I'm on an 8 gig plan.  Some people have plans
as low as 500 meg a month.  It's getting cheaper - but
slowly and our major Telco has a monopoly on the exchanges.

Scott


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RE: Access DB RunRev

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Kane
 you can use Chipp's AltSQLite plugin to go directly to offline sql...

I just started using AltSQLite today and I am blown away with
how easy it is to use!  It's a dream come true for me.

Scott


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Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread subzero569
I have a simple answer dialog displayed to a user.

example: answer information Today is
Tuesday.crhttp://www.somesite.com; with ok titled information

How can I turn the URL above into a hyperlink to launch the users
browser?  I am only concerned with Windows solution.

I have searched the archives and can't seem to find the right answer. 
I tried goRevURL but didn't get it to work.

TIA,

Josh
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Re: Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread Dan Shafer
I could be wrong (often am) but I think you'll have to use a regular  
substack to do this and not an answer dialog. As far as I can tell,  
an answer dialog responds only to clicks on buttons, not to any mouse  
actions in the text.


You *could* of course program a button click to take the user to the  
site with revGoURL but since you have no control over the appearance  
of the buttons or of the labels of the buttons in an answer dialog,  
I'm not sure that accomplishes what you want.


The good news is that doing this in a substack is easy and, in some  
ways, preferable to using the built-in ask/answer dialogs anyway.



On Aug 23, 2005, at 9:53 AM, subzero569 wrote:


I have a simple answer dialog displayed to a user.

example: answer information Today is
Tuesday.crhttp://www.somesite.com; with ok titled information

How can I turn the URL above into a hyperlink to launch the users
browser?  I am only concerned with Windows solution.

I have searched the archives and can't seem to find the right answer.
I tried goRevURL but didn't get it to work.

TIA,

Josh
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Yard by yard, life is very hard.
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Re: Basic Object Address Question

2005-08-23 Thread David Burgun

Great! Thanks a lot!!!

Dave




,

Try:

put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName
-- myGroupName is now a variable that includes all information about
the control
-- so you do not need to write: put the name of group myGroupName, but only:
put the short name of myGroupName

Le 23 août 05 à 17:00, David Burgun a écrit :


Hi,


I am a bit confused, should the following code work?

put the long name of card 1 into myCardName
put the name of control 1 of card myCardName into myControlName

I get an error when I try to do this and changed the code to:

put the name of control 1 of card myCard of stack myStack into my ControlName

Which is ok, but what I really want to be able to do is this:

put long name of group myGroup into myGroupName -- String of
something like group x of group y of group z of card c of stack s
put the name of group myGroupName into myGroupName.


Any Ideas?

Thanks a lot
Dave



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Re: Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread Stephen Barncard
what about htmltext? Thanks to Eric's htmltext builder in his 
tutorials, I created the following script:


put pfont face=  quote  Charcoal  quote   size=  quote 
 36  quote  DUDE/font/p  quote   crquote  
pfont face=  quote  Charcoal  quote  YOU LEFT THE WATER 
RUNNING/font/p  quote   crquote  pfont 
face=  quote  Charcoal  quote  
ahttp://barncard.com/a/font/p into tPrompt


answer error tPrompt with Cancel or OK titled Test as sheet

This puts up a neat dialog with a clickable link - but according to 
the message watcher no messages are sent when clicked - even though 
the link does hilite.
Guess it has to be built. But it would be neat to send a message from 
the htmltext. The limitation is the dialog mode itself by definition.


sqb



Dan said:
I could be wrong (often am) but I think you'll have to use a regular 
substack to do this and not an answer dialog. As far as I can tell, 
an answer dialog responds only to clicks on buttons, not to any 
mouse actions in the text.


You *could* of course program a button click to take the user to the 
site with revGoURL but since you have no control over the appearance 
of the buttons or of the labels of the buttons in an answer dialog, 
I'm not sure that accomplishes what you want.


The good news is that doing this in a substack is easy and, in some 
ways, preferable to using the built-in ask/answer dialogs anyway.



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test

2005-08-23 Thread Chris Sheffield

Test.  My messages are bouncing. :-)

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Re: Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread Chris Sheffield


On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

This puts up a neat dialog with a clickable link - but according to  
the message watcher no messages are sent when clicked - even though  
the link does hilite.
Guess it has to be built. But it would be neat to send a message  
from the htmltext. The limitation is the dialog mode itself by  
definition.



Stephen,

Not quite true.  Well, maybe the message watcher doesn't see it, but  
it does work if you put a linkClicked handler in the same script  
where you call the answer dialog.  I've got a program that uses this  
method and it works perfectly.  The linkClicked handler then calls  
revGoURL like normal.


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Problem with Scrolling List Field

2005-08-23 Thread David Burgun

Hi All,

I have a Field that is setup as a scrolling list. I can add to the 
list no problem. However I want to be able to let the user select a 
single item in the list and then press a delete button to delete it.


This is the code I have, on the Field:

on mouseUp
local myClickLine

put the clickLike into myClickLine
if myClickLine is not empty then
  select myClickLine
else
  select empty
end if
end mouseUp


Then on the delete button:

on mouseUp
local mySelectedLine

put the selectedLine into mySelectedLine
if mySelectedLine is not empty then
   put theSelectedLine --Dump to message box
   delete theSelectedLine
   select empty
else
  beep
end if
end mouseUp


But when I run this, the first time I selected a line it *sometimes* 
works but then it doesn't work from then on, e.g. it doesn't delete 
the line, but the message box contains line and field number as 
expected. If I manually type delete line 1 of field 1 in the 
message box, the line gets deleted as expected.


What am I doing wrong???

Thanks a lot
Dave
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Re: Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/23/05 2:08 PM, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
 
 This puts up a neat dialog with a clickable link - but according to
 the message watcher no messages are sent when clicked - even though
 the link does hilite.
 Guess it has to be built. But it would be neat to send a message
 from the htmltext. The limitation is the dialog mode itself by
 definition.
 
 
 Stephen,
 
 Not quite true.  Well, maybe the message watcher doesn't see it, but
 it does work if you put a linkClicked handler in the same script
 where you call the answer dialog.  I've got a program that uses this
 method and it works perfectly.  The linkClicked handler then calls
 revGoURL like normal.

Can you clarify this a bit more, Chris? I tried this in a button:

on mouseUp
  answer pThis is aa link/a/p
end mouseUp

on linkClicked pLink
  put pLink
end linkClicked

and it didn't work... I clicked the link, but the answer dialog remained up
and nothing showed up in the message box.

Any hints?

:-)

Ken Ray
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Re: Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Chris,

Could you explain how do you get this result?
A priori, if you use the standard dialog, the linkClicked message  
will be sent to the answer dialog stack (card 1) and never to the  
calling stack.
May be this works in a standalone if the standard dialog has become a  
substack and if your call is located in the script of your main  
stack (I did not verify).
I asked Runrev a long time ago to handle links in answer dialogs (at  
least revGoUrl the effective text and revMail the effective  
address) but I was not heard...


Le 23 août 05 à 21:08, Chris Sheffield a écrit :



On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:


This puts up a neat dialog with a clickable link - but according  
to the message watcher no messages are sent when clicked - even  
though the link does hilite.
Guess it has to be built. But it would be neat to send a message  
from the htmltext. The limitation is the dialog mode itself by  
definition.





Stephen,

Not quite true.  Well, maybe the message watcher doesn't see it,  
but it does work if you put a linkClicked handler in the same  
script where you call the answer dialog.  I've got a program that  
uses this method and it works perfectly.  The linkClicked handler  
then calls revGoURL like normal.



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Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Problem with Scrolling List Field

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/23/05 2:15 PM, David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But when I run this, the first time I selected a line it *sometimes*
 works but then it doesn't work from then on, e.g. it doesn't delete
 the line, but the message box contains line and field number as
 expected. If I manually type delete line 1 of field 1 in the
 message box, the line gets deleted as expected.
 
 What am I doing wrong???

Well, you could try:

  do delete  the selectedLine

The possibility might be one of focus - if the button has its traversalOn
property set to true, turn it off - it may be grabbing the focus from the
field.

That's my 2 cents,

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Re: Creating a answer hyperlink

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Le 23 août 05 à 21:29, Eric Chatonet a écrit :

I asked Runrev a long time ago to handle links in answer dialogs  
(at least revGoUrl the effective text and revMail the effective  
address) but I was not heard...


And I add: it would be easy.
If I have a couple of minutes, I shall write a patch tomorrow...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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OT: Computer Science in today's market

2005-08-23 Thread Jim Hurley
Thought some  of you might be interested in this article from the NYT 
on Computer Science as a major in today's world of technology and the 
problems with off-shoring of programming jobs.


TECHNOLOGY   | August 23, 2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/technology/23geeks.html?ex=1125460800en=6b61cc74c14ba4afei=5070emc=eta1ATechie, 
Absolutely, and More

By STEVE LOHR
For computer science students, expanding expertise beyond programming 
is crucial to future job security as technology jobs move to India 
and China.


Jim
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[ANN] Answer Dialog Links Patch

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Well,

I had a couple of minutes :-)
So I wrote a little patch for the built-in Rev Answer Dialog allowing  
to display prompts providing functional links:
Please, note that the patched Answer dialog will only recognize the  
following link types:

A website address: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
A mailTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Just paste in the message box:
go url http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/ 
AnswerDialogLinksPatch.rev


Or go to Rev Online (user: So Smart Software - stack Answer Dialog  
Links Patch)


And enjoy!

PS. If you desire to learn how to built answer dialogs in html  
providing styled prompts with links and other features, just download  
Tutorials Picker from the So Smart Software website or Rev Online.  
This plugin lets you access to many tutorials, one of which, called  
Managing Answer Dialogs, provides an automated html prompt builder  
to get you started.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Re: OT: Computer Science in today's market

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Gaskin

Jim Hurley wrote:
Thought some  of you might be interested in this article from the NYT on 
Computer Science as a major in today's world of technology and the 
problems with off-shoring of programming jobs.


TECHNOLOGY   | August 23, 2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/technology/23geeks.html?ex=1125460800en=6b61cc74c14ba4afei=5070emc=eta1ATechie, 
Absolutely, and More

By STEVE LOHR
For computer science students, expanding expertise beyond programming is 
crucial to future job security as technology jobs move to India and China.


A reassuring read.

Makes me glad I never jumped on the bandwagon with commodity languages 
like Java and VB.  Anything that can be commoditized will be sent 
overseas today, and done by robots tommorrow.


I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I spend more time doing 
requirements analysis and design than coding.  Those jobs can be 
outsourced only at the publisher's peril: design work requires an 
intimate understanding of not just the regional culture of the target 
audience, but also the organizational culture.  You have to directly 
observe users in action, interview people at all levels of the 
organization your software will support, and learn when to listen to 
what they tell you and when to read between the lines to hear not what 
they're able to articulate but what they really mean.


Software design is more about workflow than algorithms, more about 
people than machines.


A tool like Rev is already doing most of the work that other companies 
outsource: the bit-counting tedium of lower-level languages.


Us Rev devs ge get to focus on the people side of the business, which 
for me is more enjoyable (when I was working in C I kept asking, Why am 
I typing this -- can't the machine do this for me?), and not likely to 
move offshore anytime soon (except perhaps with short-sighted companies 
who prefer to jeopardize their viability by blurring the distinctions 
between short-term savings and long-term ROI, and I try to avoid working 
with companies that aren't ROI-driven anyway).


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 __
 Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
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colors in scrolling text field

2005-08-23 Thread Jon
I am creating a scrolling log of program activities, and want to color 
code the output so that normal events are black or green, but problems 
are shown in red.  I played with setting colors in a regular field, and 
the colors seem to stick to the field positions, rather than moving with 
the characters.  Am I correct about this?


I tried setting the foregroundcolor in a text chunk that was stored in a 
local variable, but that failed.  The idea was to set the colors up in 
the string before it went out to the scrolling field, in the hopes that 
the colors would magically be set in the string and follow the 
characters out to the scrolling field.  This does not seem to work either.


Am I trying to do something that is not possible in Rev, or am I just 
not clear on how to accomplish this?  I know that HTML support is 
somehow built into parts of Rev: would using font color=green work?  I 
tried it, and it did not work trivially.


:)

Jon
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Re: [OT]: Computer Science in today's market

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Richard and all,

Le 23 août 05 à 22:43, Richard Gaskin a écrit :

Software design is more about workflow than algorithms, more about  
people than machines.


I do agree a thousand times.
More, I think that a good idea, right ergonomics and design are 80%  
of any software value.
The rest (coding) has to be clean and well thought (architecture is  
important) but it's backup only.

Men, I'm not a programmer, I'm an obstetrician ;-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Bloodshed

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Wieder
All-

I spent some time yesterday downloading and experimenting with the
Bloodshed Dev C++ compiler to create Windows external libraries and
came up with this:

Yes, it can be done. There are a couple of undocumented options you
need to set in order to do this. The Bloodshed help file seems fairly
useless (where have I heard this before?) but perusing the online gcc
documentation with Google gave better, if painstaking, results for the
command-line options. There may be #pragmas for some of these things
but I haven't found them.

Include your source file and XCmdGlue.c.
Under Project | Project Options select the Parameters tab.
Then in the Linker window you will want to have just these two
options:

-fno-leading-underscore
-def myDLL.def or whatever the name of your def file is

The contents of myDLL.def should be:

LIBRARY external

EXPORTS
getXtable

Hope this helps someone.

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Password generator

2005-08-23 Thread Wally Rodriguez
Does anyone here know where I can find an .htaccess-compatible  
password generator?


I am setting up a website generator program that will require this  
functionality, but the only thing I can find is php-based systems.


Thanks in advance
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Re: OT: Computer Science in today's market

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Talluto


On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

Thought some  of you might be interested in this article from the  
NYT on Computer Science as a major in today's world of technology  
and the problems with off-shoring of programming jobs.


TECHNOLOGY   | August 23, 2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/technology/23geeks.html? 
ex=1125460800en=6b61cc74c14ba4afei=5070emc=eta1ATechie,  
Absolutely, and More

By STEVE LOHR
For computer science students, expanding expertise beyond  
programming is crucial to future job security as technology jobs  
move to India and China.




Jim,

Great article to bring to everyone's attention.  I completely believe  
that to be a successful developer, one must have a well rounded  
background in areas outside of programming.  The ability to generate  
and analyze data about competitors, customers, and market conditions  
creates long term viability.  I have passed this link on to others in  
the field.



Mark Talluto
--
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com

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Re: Password generator

2005-08-23 Thread Gordon Tillman

Hi Wally,

On Aug 23, 2005, at 16:25, Wally Rodriguez wrote:

Does anyone here know where I can find an .htaccess-compatible  
password generator?


I am setting up a website generator program that will require this  
functionality, but the only thing I can find is php-based systems.


Do you have access to the htpasswd command on your system?  That is  
what I use to generate passwords manually and I'll bet that you can  
call it from RR if you need to.


-gordon
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Re: colors in scrolling text field

2005-08-23 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Jon,

Le 23 août 05 à 23:18, Jon a écrit :

I am creating a scrolling log of program activities, and want to  
color code the output so that normal events are black or green, but  
problems are shown in red.  I played with setting colors in a  
regular field, and the colors seem to stick to the field positions,  
rather than moving with the characters.  Am I correct about this?


I tried setting the foregroundcolor in a text chunk that was stored  
in a local variable, but that failed.  The idea was to set the  
colors up in the string before it went out to the scrolling field,  
in the hopes that the colors would magically be set in the string  
and follow the characters out to the scrolling field.  This does  
not seem to work either.


Am I trying to do something that is not possible in Rev, or am I  
just not clear on how to accomplish this?  I know that HTML support  
is somehow built into parts of Rev: would using font color=green  
work?  I tried it, and it did not work trivially.


Using HTML is the right way to display coloured text and more  
generally styled text:
(here a tab delimited list where each line has a different colour and  
the first one is in bolded style)


pfont color=#006400b1/14/05#9;4:06:38 PM#9;Start/b/ 
font/p
pfont color=#8040001/14/05#9;5:56:47 PM#9;Auto  
backup#9;Done#9;Mailing base_3/font/p
pfont color=#6464641/14/05#9;6:26:51 PM#9;Auto  
backup#9;Undone#9;Unchanged file size/font/p


You might be interested in the Encoded Text Picker plugin which  
translates both to and from HTML and/or URLEncode, letting you to set  
styles, colors, etc. and watch the resulting html code and the How  
to Create and Manage HTML lists tutorial.

Both are available from my website.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Re: NECC roundup (was ATTN: Marty Billingsley)

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Perry
Marty,

I live near San Diego...  Perhaps we can collaborate?

Judy

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Marty Billingsley wrote:

 Using RR as a multimedia tool isn't the focus of what I teach students.
 Maybe for NECC 2006 I can put together a session on using RR to teach
 programming, but don't know if the logistics of a San Diego trip is
 feasible. :-)

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Re: Password generator

2005-08-23 Thread Wally Rodriguez

I'll look into that as I'm new to this side of the equation.

Thanks for your reply!


On Aug 23, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Gordon Tillman wrote:


Hi Wally,

On Aug 23, 2005, at 16:25, Wally Rodriguez wrote:


Does anyone here know where I can find an .htaccess-compatible  
password generator?


I am setting up a website generator program that will require this  
functionality, but the only thing I can find is php-based systems.




Do you have access to the htpasswd command on your system?  That is  
what I use to generate passwords manually and I'll bet that you can  
call it from RR if you need to.


-gordon


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Re: colors in scrolling text field

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Jon-

Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 2:18:38 PM, you wrote:

 Am I trying to do something that is not possible in Rev, or am I just
 not clear on how to accomplish this?  I know that HTML support is 
 somehow built into parts of Rev: would using font color=green work?  I
 tried it, and it did not work trivially.

Set the color *after* you put the text in the field. I do this for log
output in the same manner as you're attempting and it works well for
me in scrolling fields.

put normal text  cr after field xyz
put problem text  cr after field xyz
set the foreColor of line -1 of field xyz to red

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Re: colors in scrolling text field

2005-08-23 Thread Jon

Eric:

Your response is, as usual, excellent.  Except that, as I said, I did 
try putting HTML into a scrolling field, and all I got was the typical 
HTML garbage on the screen; the HTML commands were not interpreted 
correctly.  Do I have to put the HTML someplace special, or enable it 
somehow?


Thanks!

:)

Jon


Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Jon,

Le 23 août 05 à 23:18, Jon a écrit :

I am creating a scrolling log of program activities, and want to  
color code the output so that normal events are black or green, but  
problems are shown in red.  I played with setting colors in a  
regular field, and the colors seem to stick to the field positions,  
rather than moving with the characters.  Am I correct about this?


I tried setting the foregroundcolor in a text chunk that was stored  
in a local variable, but that failed.  The idea was to set the  
colors up in the string before it went out to the scrolling field,  
in the hopes that the colors would magically be set in the string  
and follow the characters out to the scrolling field.  This does  not 
seem to work either.


Am I trying to do something that is not possible in Rev, or am I  
just not clear on how to accomplish this?  I know that HTML support  
is somehow built into parts of Rev: would using font color=green  
work?  I tried it, and it did not work trivially.



Using HTML is the right way to display coloured text and more  
generally styled text:
(here a tab delimited list where each line has a different colour and  
the first one is in bolded style)


pfont color=#006400b1/14/05#9;4:06:38 PM#9;Start/b/ 
font/p
pfont color=#8040001/14/05#9;5:56:47 PM#9;Auto  
backup#9;Done#9;Mailing base_3/font/p
pfont color=#6464641/14/05#9;6:26:51 PM#9;Auto  
backup#9;Undone#9;Unchanged file size/font/p


You might be interested in the Encoded Text Picker plugin which  
translates both to and from HTML and/or URLEncode, letting you to set  
styles, colors, etc. and watch the resulting html code and the How  
to Create and Manage HTML lists tutorial.

Both are available from my website.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Re: colors in scrolling text field

2005-08-23 Thread Jon

Mark:

Silly me: I did not think of line -1.  Still learning...

Thanks!

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:


Jon-

Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 2:18:38 PM, you wrote:

 


Am I trying to do something that is not possible in Rev, or am I just
not clear on how to accomplish this?  I know that HTML support is 
somehow built into parts of Rev: would using font color=green work?  I

tried it, and it did not work trivially.
   



Set the color *after* you put the text in the field. I do this for log
output in the same manner as you're attempting and it works well for
me in scrolling fields.

put normal text  cr after field xyz
put problem text  cr after field xyz
set the foreColor of line -1 of field xyz to red

 


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Re: OT: Computer Science in today's market

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Perry
You do?

You're kidding, right?

;-)

At least, that _would be_ the response if made by any  of my CS major
students :(

Judy

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I spend more time doing
 requirements analysis and design than coding.  Those jobs can be
 outsourced only at the publisher's peril: design work requires an
 intimate understanding of not just the regional culture of the target
 audience, but also the organizational culture.  You have to directly
 observe users in action, interview people at all levels of the
 organization your software will support, and learn when to listen to
 what they tell you and when to read between the lines to hear not what
 they're able to articulate but what they really mean.

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Anyone know how to use the XMLRPC library?

2005-08-23 Thread david bovill
I am trying to update my blogger client using the Rev XMLRPC library.  
Can't figure out how to use it...


This is for the movable type API...


on mouseUp
  -- put puck.at.subik.com into someHost
  -- put wordpress/xmlrpc.php into somePath

   put test.com/wordpress/ into someHost
   put xmlrpc.php into somePath

  -- put xmlrpc.php?metaWeblog.getPost into somePath

  put 80 into somePort
  put revXMLRPC_CreateRequest(someHost, somePort, somePath, http)  
into theRequest


  put test into userName
  put test into pissWord

  put 8 into postId

  revXMLRPC_AddParam theRequest, string, metaWeblog.getPost
  revXMLRPC_AddParam theRequest, string, postId
  revXMLRPC_AddParam theRequest, string, userName
  revXMLRPC_AddParam theRequest, string, pissWord

  put revXMLRPC_Execute(theRequest) into theResponse
  put theResponse

  if revXMLRPC_Documents() is not empty then  
revXMLRPC_DeleteAllDocuments

end mouseUp


Returns: error 400 Bad Request

Most else returns: 404 Not Found


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Re: colors in scrolling text field

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/23/05 4:58 PM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your response is, as usual, excellent.  Except that, as I said, I did
 try putting HTML into a scrolling field, and all I got was the typical
 HTML garbage on the screen; the HTML commands were not interpreted
 correctly.  Do I have to put the HTML someplace special, or enable it
 somehow?

Jon, you don't put the HTML in the field, you set the htmlText of the
field to the HTML, as in:

  put This is bbold/b into tHTML
  set the htmlText of fld 1 to tHTML

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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XMLRPC - can I go to sleep happy?

2005-08-23 Thread david bovill

Help?

Nothing on the net. Just not clear what is the host, the path and  
what params to add

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message watcher

2005-08-23 Thread Jon
I read about the Message watcher in the documentation.  What are the 
numbers in parentheses that follow the times?


Jon

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amateur question

2005-08-23 Thread Timothy Miller

Hi gang,

I forget. What property do I turn on or off to avoid the pale gray 
shadow that appears over much or all of of the card when I Print 
Card... ?


If I print with a script it seems like  it goes away if I set the 
printcolors to false. But how bout when I'm just manually printing 
one card from the File menu? The the shadow doesn't seem to show on 
the screen, so I'm a bit perplexed.


Thanks in advance,


Tim

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Re: message watcher

2005-08-23 Thread Alex Tweedly

Jon wrote:

I read about the Message watcher in the documentation.  What are the 
numbers in parentheses that follow the times?


Jon


It's the number of milliseconds since the last message was recorded.

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Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Gaskin

Levi Kendall wrote:

  I was just wondering what everyone out there was using for releasing
commercial demo applications with Revolution.  What I'm thinking in
terms of here is having a limited demo version that will show the user
*some* of the functionality but which is crippled in some areas. 
The user will be able to access some kind of registration feature

(this is what I'm looking for) that would then unlock the product.  At
this point I'm looking for any system to do this, perhaps it could be
web integrated or be able to unlock with a serial code while offline,
anything of the sort.

  Has anyone found a ready-made system to distribute like this with
Revolution?  And perhaps one that can be used on the same
cross-platform support which Revolution itself offers.  Any ideas?


If you're willing to spend a little time on it, it's not hard to do 
what's needed, which is to provide security only sufficient to dissuade 
casual pirates.


Serious pirates can [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything, and are not likely to ever be paying 
customers anyway, so you'll definitely find that beyond a certain level 
of effort there's a case of diminishing returns with software security.


This page is a very helpful resource:
http://www.inner-smile.com/nocrack.phtml

Not everything he writes there will be applicable to Rev, and some of it 
goes farther than I care to, but some of the things listed there are 
indeed very useful.


There are other resources too -- worth spending some time with Google to 
do a little reading before deciding on a scheme that's good for you.



Things I've learned from online [EMAIL PROTECTED] resources:

- All software can be [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Most commercial products have been [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Those that haven't are usually just unpopular.

- The average time between release of a program and release
  of its [EMAIL PROTECTED] is under ten days.

- Game companies spend millions hiring the best minds in the
  business merely to try to extend the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to 180 days.

- The biggest material loss from [EMAIL PROTECTED] for many small shops
  is not lost sales (since very few who use stolen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  would ever pay anyway) but bandwidth:  in the days following
  the post of a [EMAIL PROTECTED] your server will get several thousand
  downloads from China, Russia, and Korea.

- About every two years the Ministry of Culture in China makes
  a broad proclamation about how internationally embarassing
  it is to be the #1 nation for piracy, and will start cracking
  down on that immediately.  Every year they manage to shut
  down the exchange of porn and copies of Thomas Paine's
  Common Sense but have never accomplished a thing with
  regard to piracy.

- A growing number of developers protect themselves by banning
  whole ranges of IPs assigned to those countries (it would be
  ideal if these nations would merely enforce international law,
  but in the meantime developers do what the can to contain costs).

- In stark contrast to the effectiveness of the motion picture
  industry, the software industry is almost entirely inneffectual
  at protecting their businesses, apparently unable to negotiate
  the same sort of international law enforcement arrangements
  Hollywood does all the time.

- Games aside, most of those who download a stolen product will
  never actually use it (there's a weird hoarding thing that
  goes on where simply having it taking up space on their hard
  drive somehow feeds something in their lives).

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Re: [Bulk] Problem with Scrolling List Field

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Lewis
David,

Note typo ClickLiKe in third line of script.

Try:

put word 2 of the ClickLine into tLineClicked
put word 4 of the ClickLine into tFldClicked


Then

delete line tLineClicked of fld tFldClicked

Regards,

Bruce


At 8:15 PM +0100 8/23/05, David Burgun wrote:
Hi All,

I have a Field that is setup as a scrolling list. I can add to the
list no problem. However I want to be able to let the user select a
single item in the list and then press a delete button to delete it.

This is the code I have, on the Field:

on mouseUp
local myClickLine

put the clickLike into myClickLine
if myClickLine is not empty then
   select myClickLine
else
   select empty
end if
end mouseUp


Then on the delete button:

on mouseUp
local mySelectedLine

put the selectedLine into mySelectedLine
if mySelectedLine is not empty then
put theSelectedLine --Dump to message box
delete theSelectedLine
select empty
else
   beep
end if
end mouseUp


But when I run this, the first time I selected a line it *sometimes*
works but then it doesn't work from then on, e.g. it doesn't delete
the line, but the message box contains line and field number as
expected. If I manually type delete line 1 of field 1 in the
message box, the line gets deleted as expected.

What am I doing wrong???

Thanks a lot
Dave
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Re: amateur question

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Smith
You simply need to set the background color to whatever you want - in 
this case white, I'd imagine. The grey background happens on printing 
when no background color is set.


Mark


On 24 Aug 2005, at 00:36, Timothy Miller wrote:


Hi gang,

I forget. What property do I turn on or off to avoid the pale gray 
shadow that appears over much or all of of the card when I Print 
Card... ?


If I print with a script it seems like  it goes away if I set the 
printcolors to false. But how bout when I'm just manually printing one 
card from the File menu? The the shadow doesn't seem to show on the 
screen, so I'm a bit perplexed.


Thanks in advance,


Tim

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Re: test

2005-08-23 Thread Todd Higgins
Well, I can give you some of my as I have been getting doubles  
messages for the past 2 days.


On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:


Test.  My messages are bouncing. :-)

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Re: difficulties with StandAlone

2005-08-23 Thread Howard Bornstein
On 8/22/05, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Every time I try to create a StandAlone (SA), I have to select a
 directory into which the SA will be created, starting at My Computer.  I
 don't mind selecting the directory the first time I do this for an
 application, but is it necessary that I do this every time?  And if I
 have to do it every time, could it start from the most recently selected
 location, rather than from My Computer?  Drilling down into the
 directory structure over and over again seems needlessly tedious to me.
 
 Am I missing something here?  Does it work this way for everyone?
 
 :)
 
 Jon


On the Mac (OSX) it remembers where I saved my last standalone and
opens that directory again. Not sure why this doesn't work the same
way on Windows.
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Re: amateur question

2005-08-23 Thread Bill
I bugzilla-ed this and the answer was that even though the grey background
is only visible when printing and decidedly not WYSIWYG it is still a
feature. I never understood why this invisible grey background could be a
feature.


On 8/23/05 7:58 PM, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You simply need to set the background color to whatever you want - in
 this case white, I'd imagine. The grey background happens on printing
 when no background color is set.
 
 Mark
 
 
 On 24 Aug 2005, at 00:36, Timothy Miller wrote:
 
 Hi gang,
 
 I forget. What property do I turn on or off to avoid the pale gray
 shadow that appears over much or all of of the card when I Print
 Card... ?
 
 If I print with a script it seems like  it goes away if I set the
 printcolors to false. But how bout when I'm just manually printing one
 card from the File menu? The the shadow doesn't seem to show on the
 screen, so I'm a bit perplexed.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 
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I need help!!!

2005-08-23 Thread Josue Giron
first of all Im new to html but I like learning it.I
sometimes stay on my website looking for ways to
improve it.but i don't make the things that are in my
site.I want to make the template,the
pictures,everything so I can truly say that I did my
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Re: difficulties with StandAlone

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Howard-

BZ #3080 has now been filed against this. This has annoyed me for a
while, but since I don't build standalones that often it's just been a
minor annoyance. Now it's finally reached a stage where it's getting
to me.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 5:58:03 PM, you wrote:

 On 8/22/05, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Every time I try to create a StandAlone (SA), I have to select a
 directory into which the SA will be created, starting at My Computer.  I
 don't mind selecting the directory the first time I do this for an
 application, but is it necessary that I do this every time?  And if I
 have to do it every time, could it start from the most recently selected
 location, rather than from My Computer?  Drilling down into the
 directory structure over and over again seems needlessly tedious to me.
 
 Am I missing something here?  Does it work this way for everyone?
 
 :)
 
 Jon


 On the Mac (OSX) it remembers where I saved my last standalone and
 opens that directory again. Not sure why this doesn't work the same
 way on Windows.

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Re: amateur question

2005-08-23 Thread Chipp Walters



Bill wrote:

I bugzilla-ed this and the answer was that even though the grey background
is only visible when printing and decidedly not WYSIWYG it is still a
feature. I never understood why this invisible grey background could be a
feature.


It's because you can use it to your advantage. Say you want to print 
text on a yellow backgroung. Then just set the backColor of the card you 
want to print to yellow, and then you're printing on a yellow 
background. If you want your background white, then set the backColor to 
white.


-Chipp
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MIDI externals

2005-08-23 Thread Ken Norris

Howdy,

Is there an external for Windows (I think they're called DLL's?) that 
will select instruments and play MIDI notes instantly? Not necessarily 
a song sequence, but a note or chord.


It's for an onscreen keyboard, i.e., must play the note instantaneously 
on mouseDown. Actually, I'm looking for it to play like a piano, when 
the user drags over the 'keys', but that's more a scripting issue. I 
have one working in SuperCard on the Mac, using QuickNotes. I wouldn't 
mind building a cross-platfrom version, but it has to perform as I 
indicated.


TIA,
Ken N.

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Re: amateur question

2005-08-23 Thread J. Landman Gay

Chipp Walters wrote:



Bill wrote:

I bugzilla-ed this and the answer was that even though the grey 
background

is only visible when printing and decidedly not WYSIWYG it is still a
feature. I never understood why this invisible grey background could be a
feature.



It's because you can use it to your advantage. Say you want to print 
text on a yellow backgroung. Then just set the backColor of the card you 
want to print to yellow, and then you're printing on a yellow 
background. If you want your background white, then set the backColor to 
white.


Right, but one would think that the default printing backcolor would be 
the same as the one you see on screen. Seems kind of odd that it isn't.


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Custom Answer File Dialog?

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Rossi
Has anyone assembled a custom answer file dialog that they would be willing
to share?  I have to manage some non-standard file navigation and it would
be helpful to be able to skip reinventing the wheel if possible.

Thanks  Regards,

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Re: MIDI externals

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Ken,

Shakobox for Windows won't work for you?

(Sorry... that's all I can think of).

Judy

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Ken Norris wrote:

 Howdy,

 Is there an external for Windows (I think they're called DLL's?) that
 will select instruments and play MIDI notes instantly? Not necessarily
 a song sequence, but a note or chord.

 It's for an onscreen keyboard, i.e., must play the note instantaneously
 on mouseDown. Actually, I'm looking for it to play like a piano, when
 the user drags over the 'keys', but that's more a scripting issue. I
 have one working in SuperCard on the Mac, using QuickNotes. I wouldn't
 mind building a cross-platfrom version, but it has to perform as I
 indicated.

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Cell phones

2005-08-23 Thread Thomas McCarthy

1: I imagine most students check their email via cell phones. Don't laugh, but 
I don't have one (and yes, I'm in Japan--even my toilet has one). Can cell 
phones accept / respond to html mail? (my doubt-meter is in the red zone)

2: What are the basic pixel dimentions of a cell display? Should I concern 
myself?

3: What kind of media can the newer phones handle. I've heard mpeg4.

many thanks
tom

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Re: MIDI externals

2005-08-23 Thread Erik Hansen


--- Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Howdy,
 
 Is there an external for Windows (I think
 they're called DLL's?) that
 will select instruments and play MIDI notes
 instantly? Not necessarily
 a song sequence, but a note or chord.

i am working on something similar and could
not get Shakobox for Windows to works as
it does with Mac. am currently expanding
from 1 channel to 16 with some extra factors
and so have not tried this yet. send in time,
here we come.

here are Jacquie  Jon:

 Jacquie:
 I had some problems with that myself 
 when I was testing the Windows
 version. I couldn't make it work 
 until I used the technique where I
 wrote a temporary text file to disk.

I think this is the way you should do it. After
you launch
PlayCommandAgent.exe with shell(), write your
command out to a file
called c:\windows\playcmd.evt . Once you close
the file it should 
pick up the command. To do 16 channels,
open/write/close the file 16 times.

Shakobox author
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