Re: bugs
On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Here is an example of something slightly larger than a single line (and actually useful) that I think is bug-free: on stableSetSize pID,W,H -- sets the width and height of pID -- while keeping the topleft the same try put the rect of pID into tRect catch tSomeError exit stableSetSize end try if W is a number then put item 1 of tRect + W into item 3 of tRect if H is a number then put item 2 of tRect + H into item 4 of tRect set the rect of pID to tRect end stableSetSize Assuming correct input it seems to be bug free. However.. on mouseUp put button 1 into PID put 500.2 into W -- ! put 50.3 into H stableSetSize pID,W,H end mouseUp Throws execution error here rectangle does not have 4 points :) In discussion with a non-Rev-using friend earlier today (what, you don't spend your spare time discussing esoteric issues with your friends?) the idea of overflow was pointed out to me. Note in my defense that the code is proof against non-integers, non- numbers, and negative numbers. So the only thing that should break it is too-large numbers. That said, I noticed in the docs that if the lockLoc of an object is true, it resizes from the topleft. I thought this would be a good thing, but it means that I have to lock the screen in order to not show first the width changing, then the height. It also doesn't handle cds or groups, etc. So I stuck with the rectangle routine, but with more data checks: on stableSetSize pID,W,H -- sets the width of and height of pID -- while keeping the topleft the same try put the rect of pID into tRect catch tSomeErr exit stableSetSize end try if W is a number then if word 1 of pID is among the items of image,img and \ the platform is MacOS then put min(4096,W) into W -- this is a temp end if put min(32767,W + item 1 of tRect) into item 3 of tRect end if if H is a number then put min(32767,H + item 2 of tRect) into item 4 of tRect set the rect of pID to tRect end stableSetSize Maybe that will hold up a bit longer. regards, gc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27
No, the subject line isn't there because I hit 'reply' without thinking (although we've all done that): it's there because although I've received Digests 26, 28 and 29 of the Use-List, somehow 27 has failed to turn up - I've no idea why, but anyway would some kind Digest reader take a second to send me a copy? Without it I'm missing bits of threads that I'm following. TIA Graham BTW, Digest 24 turned up a few hours after 25 was delivered, but this latest one appears to be permanently lost. --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27
Graham Samuel wrote: No, the subject line isn't there because I hit 'reply' without thinking (although we've all done that): it's there because although I've received Digests 26, 28 and 29 of the Use-List, somehow 27 has failed to turn up - I've no idea why, but anyway would some kind Digest reader take a second to send me a copy? Without it I'm missing bits of threads that I'm following. Confirmed here too. Got all others but not that one. Looks like you'll need to visit the archives for those: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Bob Warren out of the office
My apologies to the good folks who have questions and answers in relation to the last e-mail I sent. I have some urgent neglected business to take care of today, and I don't have the time or emotional energy to participate. I'll be back when I get my act back together again. Best regards to all, Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27
Just to say that Wouter [EMAIL PROTECTED] forwarded me a copy, for which thanks. Graham I had written: No, the subject line isn't there because I hit 'reply' without thinking (although we've all done that): it's there because although I've received Digests 26, 28 and 29 of the Use-List, somehow 27 has failed to turn up - I've no idea why, but anyway would some kind Digest reader take a second to send me a copy? Without it I'm missing bits of threads that I'm following. --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Valentina 2.3 for Revolution Released - More Breakthrough Speed on Joins, New SQL Commands
Valentina 2.3 for Revolution Released BREAKTHROUGH SPEED ON JOINS; NEW SQL COMMANDS Leading multi-platform database vendor Paradigma Software, Inc, makers of the ultra-fast Valentina 2 Office Server, announce the shipping of Valentina 2.3. Valentina 2's next generation, object-relational database model builds on the traditional relational database model much like C++ builds on top of the C language. All that you know from working with traditional database systems from IBM, Oracle and Microsoft also apply to Valentina-based development. This robust technology excels at ultra fast management of millions of records. Valentina is not another in-memory database but a true disk based DBMS. Valentina 2.3 includes a dramatic leap forward in speed for database JOINS (including data from two or more database tables) with a new breakthrough algorithm. In a comparative analysis in base configurations between Valentina and MS SQL Server 2000 on Windows, on joins of 5,000,000 and 20,000,000 record test databases, Valentina was between 2-6 times faster than MS SQL Server. Based on file structural differences of even larger databases, Valentina 2.3 can be 50-100 times faster or more (MS Server, mySQL, PostGre, SQLite and Oracle have the same file based limitations), depending on the record size of a table. Valentina 2.3 also includes the following new features and improvements: * Improved speed and performance in Add Record commands. * New SHOW commands: SHOW TABLES, SHOW COLUMNS, and SHOW DATABASE. These return the database structure as a cursor. * SQL: SELECT ... ORDER BY ... [NULLS FIRST | LAST] * SQL: CREATE TABLE ... IF EXISTS Valentina 2.3 improvements are available in all versions of Valentina Office Server and ADKs for COM (VB 6, Delphi), .net (VB 2005), Macromedia Director, Runtime Revolution and REALbasic, as well as Embedded Server (a part of Valentina Developer Network). Valentina 2.3 for Revolution is available through Runtime Revolution's RevSelect program. Valentina Studio, the browser, query, and administration tool was updated to version 2.3fc16, including support for the new Valentina 2.3 file format. The Mac OS X version is a Universal Binary application. ADK Standard Edition ADKs start at $199; VDN pricing begins at $499. Owners of the 2.x versions of the products receive a free upgrade to 2.3. For more information, visit the Paradigma Software website at http://www.paradigmasoft.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: just in case
Michael- Monday, April 10, 2006, 5:39:49 PM, you wrote: Excessive use can lead to addiction and it almost always causes severe constipation. ...now *there's* a combination I don't want to run into... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: answer the result
Dave- Monday, April 10, 2006, 1:50:28 PM, you wrote: The other Mark W had already filed a bug report for this (3494), and ...my evil twin seems to be fixing things faster than I can break them these days... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Preferred RunRev method to close a stack with Esc
Hi all, Two questions in one request... I'm developing on WinXP and would like to know what is the preferred RunRev way to apply a close to a sub-stack when the end user presses the Esc key? Scenario: The application is database oriented, with the user double-clicking on a table row to open a stack that displays all the fields, and data related to that selected row. The user is now on the sub-stack. If the user doesn't change anything, and presses Esc, the sub-stack should close with no warnings. If the user has changed data, and then presses Esc, I'd want to pop up an alert to the affect that they need to save or cancel changes. How is this done in RunRev? TIA, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Hi Dave, what's the bug? The fact that it loops endlessly or the fact that the COA was non existent? Well my buddy Bernie would say the bug is a user error for installing the A/R module before installing G/L and setting up the COA. Actually it appears in the setup screen for any module that includes default G/L accounts: If the G/L interface is checked, A/R account fields become required fields, and as the field closes the system verifies the contents in the COA. Not finding the account, Flexware takes the user back to the field. The only way to escape the loop without killing the computer or Flexware A/R is to go to another workstation and set up a COA. Flexware modules were bundled individually, with a separate manual CD for each. I don't recall there being anything in the documentation advising sys admins to install G/L first if it was among the modules purchased. And if there was, it didn't stop many users from having their first experience with Flexware--before it was even set up to do useful work--include finding a way out of an endless loop. So Bernie could truthfully claim (on this point) Flexware is bug-free if people use it correctly. But in the real world, a significant number of users fell victim to this and similar user errors. I believe the developer's job goes beyond delivering an application that works for her. One has the obligation to provide the user a graceful escape mechanism when the user does something he wasn't supposed to do. In this case, every Flexware setup screen that included default G/L accounts should, at the very least, disable the G/L Installed check box if the COA is not present. Ideally, it would also display a dialog box explaining the box was disabled because the COA was not set up. Such a simple modification would have left first-time users with a much better feeling about Flexware then they got when told That's your fault for not installing G/L first. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Preferred RunRev method to close a stack with Esc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Two questions in one request... I'm developing on WinXP and would like to know what is the preferred RunRev way to apply a close to a sub-stack when the end user presses the Esc key? Scenario: The application is database oriented, with the user double-clicking on a table row to open a stack that displays all the fields, and data related to that selected row. The user is now on the sub-stack. If the user doesn't change anything, and presses Esc, the sub-stack should close with no warnings. If the user has changed data, and then presses Esc, I'd want to pop up an alert to the affect that they need to save or cancel changes. How is this done in RunRev? TIA, Mark Stuart Hi Mark, have you tried trapping the escapeKey message? as in: on escapeKey ... Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Preferred RunRev method to close a stack with Esc
On 11 Apr 2006, at 17:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scenario: The application is database oriented, with the user double-clicking on a table row to open a stack that displays all the fields, and data related to that selected row. The user is now on the sub-stack. If the user doesn't change anything, and presses Esc, the sub-stack should close with no warnings. If the user has changed data, and then presses Esc, I'd want to pop up an alert to the affect that they need to save or cancel changes. How is this done in RunRev? This just one way. First, you need a way to know if the user has changed data. The details of this will depend on your stack, but let's say you maintain a custom property that tracks whether changes have been made. So you might have a preOpenStack handler in the stack script to initially set the custom property to its clean state. Something like: on preOpenStack set the cDirtyState of this stack to false end preOpenStack Then in the places you determine that a change has been made, you would set the custom property to true. For example, this might be in an exitField handler in a text field. on exitField set the cDirtyState of this stack to true end exitField (But probably something more elaborate is needed, depending on your stack.) Then in the stack script, you could have the following handler to catch the Escape Key. on escapeKey if the cDirtyState of this stack then put Do you want to save your changes? into tString answer tString with Save or Don't Save if it is Save then ## do whatever you need to save the data here else close this stack end if else close this stack end if end escapeKey Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Preferred RunRev method to close a stack with Esc - reply
Thanx Dave Martin... RunRev Transcript is sure easy to read - when you know how it works - well??? I'm getting there, but a long way to go :-) This forum helps immensely. Maybe I can contribute back one day. Cheers, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: answer the result
Hi Dave, I was reviewing some old scripts, which basically look like this: on mouseUp get url http://www.lacscentre.co.uk/nofile.txt; if the result is not empty then answer the result else put it into field 1 end if end mouseUp I'm surprised to find this ever worked. I invariably have problems if I try to reference the result anytime except immediately following the statement whose result I'm checking. It's awkward, but I find myself coding: get the result if it is not empty then beep answer it else in order to both evaluate it and reference its contents. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Multicard Stack, Standalone Speed, and screenNoPixmaps property
Hi All, I have a somewhat complicated speed issue I've been trying to resolve in a standalone application (this problem is not observed in IDE / stack mode). I have a multi-card stack which begins with what could be considered a launch window that gives the user the option to go to various other parts of the application. When the user clicks on the desired icon, the stack goes to a different card depending on what they clicked. Now my issue is the FIRST time the user ever goes to another card, there is a significant delay (up to 7+ seconds on slower P3 machines). Also the memory useage goes from about 11MB to 22MB the first time another section in the app is accessed. Now here is the odd part, after the user has gone to another card, everything runs blazingly fast after that, even if they return to the launch window and load another different section of the application. It's only the first time a card switch occurs that this significant slowdown can be observed. With some poking around I've determined the source of the slowdown, which seems to be the screenNoPixmaps property. What I assume is going on here is the first time another card is accessed, the application creates a new buffer for the card and writes all the graphics to that before displaying. This agrees with the memory use getting a significant boost as well. After the buffer has been created everything runs at full speed. So apparently *creating* the buffer is where the performance hit is. Turning off screenNoPixmaps is also undesireable because this will cause refresh flicker occassionaly while using the application, rather than always having nice smooth transitions there will be some scanlines visible during some refreshes. It does however run at full speed all the time, even when the first section is accessed. The memory useage also stays at something around 11MB, which further proves my theory on this. What I would like to do (if at all possible) is force the secondary buffer to be created immediately upon program launch, ideally during the splash screen phase before the user can see any actual parts of the GUI. Is there any way to force the creation of this buffer ahead of time? And if not is there any way to maintain a constant speed without having the drawback of scanlines? -Levi Kendall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recent posts
Francis, et al: Draw a diagonal line across the top of your card deck with a biro, drop the deck on the floor, and then put the deck back into 100% sequence with NO hassle ! Did it often ! The closest I came to punched cards -- until chaff became part of the American political vocabulary -- was when I would visit the City of Oakland's D.P. Dept. I always thought the reason BASIC ( COBOL?) program code had line numbers was one could just run the deck through the sorter if it fell on the floor. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Screen refresh problems in OS X
Unfortunately the planned fix for the refresh problem in OS X will have to await a later update. The fix had repercussion elsewhere in 2.7.1 (fields particularly) and so we will have to await 2.7.2. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: reporting fatal error bugs
Dave Beck wrote: Thanks Jacqueline, But the question remains which log is helpful to post and where to find it. There is no easy way to extract the log from the Microsoft Dr. Watson dialog that I am aware of. In a previous post somebody suggested that the log of interest was located at: C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Microsoft/Dr Watson/user.dmb However, that to me appears to be gibberish binary data. There is another file in that folder on my machine called dtwtsn32.log. Is that the one? I had to check on this. They'd like you to send both the binary and the log file. Sometimes either or both are useable. So, go for it, they want to see what Dr. Watson produces. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multicard Stack, Standalone Speed, and screenNoPixmaps property
Recently, Levi Kendall wrote: I have a somewhat complicated speed issue I've been trying to resolve in a standalone application (this problem is not observed in IDE / stack mode). I have a multi-card stack which begins with what could be considered a launch window that gives the user the option to go to various other parts of the application. When the user clicks on the desired icon, the stack goes to a different card depending on what they clicked. Now my issue is the FIRST time the user ever goes to another card, there is a significant delay (up to 7+ seconds on slower P3 machines). Also the memory useage goes from about 11MB to 22MB the first time another section in the app is accessed. 7 seconds is a pretty long time just to access a card. Are you using any transitions (visual effects) by chance? What is present on the secondary cards -- it sounds like maybe some large images. Is this the case? Also, what about initialization scripts: do you have any going on in any of your secondary cards? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Deselecting a line
This seems a very simple question, but I haven't found the answer, either by experiment or from the RR documentation. I can easily highlight a line in a field by a script like select line mySpecialLine of field myField and of course my user can do it with a click on a line in the field; and I guess I could script a click myself; but what I want to do at the moment is the reverse, i.e. deselect a line which my user has selected without removing focus from the field and without selecting another line. The obvious answer would seem to be select empty but it doesn't work for me, and anything involving 'the selection' actually alters the content of the field AFAICS Dumb I know... but could someone help me? TIA Graham --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2 basic Q's about management scripts in standalone
I have about 10 stacks that need to be presented in an alternating order. I have settled on 5 orders. So I will build a standalone with a splash screen, that will select the correct order of administration. 1) I don't know how to make the selections work in a standalone. All it needs to do is cycle through the 5 orders, so that the first person will get order 1, the next person will get order 2, etc, so that it is administered 1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5... I suppose I could use a .txt file to store the last order administered, so that when the splash is opened for the next person, the splash would retrieve the last value, add 1 to it (or something) move to the next order, and overwrite the value to the txt file. There must be a more elegant way. 2) For running the orders, I was thinking of using a global gOrder1, gOrder2... that is issued from the splash screen, and using scripts in the substacks: if gOrder1 then open stack A else end if I might need to figure out switch statements though. I don't understand them yet. I will eagerly accept any advice or guidance on this. Thank you, Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: List Moderation, recent threads and New Forum
Thanks Jacque. First off, I should tell you that Heather didn't want to answer my post on-list, so she did it off-list. She also told me she didn't want to perpetuate this thread. I also replied off-list, because I was not satisfied. I have so far received no answer to mine, and in actual fact I don't imagine I will get one. Are you speaking to me on behalf of Runtime Revolution? If so, please tell me what am I supposed to do now that you have perpetuated the thread and given me information which needs a reply on-list, since not everything you say in your post is true, and I should be given the opportunity to correct it. Thinking better, forget it. I'm not going to play this game any more. It has two sets of rules. By the way, if Runtime Revolution would like to publish my off-list communication mentioned above, I would have absolutely no objection. Regards, Bob Warren (client) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay (HyperActive Software) wrote: Bob Warren wrote: The first part of my question concerns the use of Buzilla. I refuse to use it in its present form essentially because of the voting system. I think you have misunderstood the voting system. RR uses that to get a sense of how many users are affected by a particular problem, but it in no way determines which bugs get fixed first. The determination is made based on a number of different factors, of which user votes is only one consideration. I have a bug in Linux, which at the moment is nothing but an emerging OS, not of immediate interest to the vast majority of people on this list (my potential voters). How am I supposed to draw attention to a serious bug in Rev Linux and get something done about it in a timely fashion? The best way is to enter it into Bugzilla via the channels set up for that. The engineers do not read this list looking for bug reports. If you do not report it, they won't know about it. It is that simple. You can also submit it to the support queue, as I mentioned in another post, and we will move it to Bugzilla for you. It is faster though if you simply enter it into Bugzilla yourself, using either the web interface or Revzilla. Frantically, I wrote an e-mail directly to the Chief Technical Officer (Mark Waddingham), which was met by stony silence rather than some kind of reply Which was entirely appropriate. He is far too busy to respond to individual customers, it isn't part of his job, there are other avenues for these reports, and you tried to bypass them. If you had submitted the problem via the channels that have been created for that purpose, you would have received an immediate response. There are several people whose job is to do that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deselecting a line
Hi Graham, This seems a very simple question, but I haven't found the answer, either by experiment or from the RR documentation. I can easily highlight a line in a field by a script like select line mySpecialLine of field myField and of course my user can do it with a click on a line in the field; and I guess I could script a click myself; but what I want to do at the moment is the reverse, i.e. deselect a line which my user has selected without removing focus from the field and without selecting another line. The obvious answer would seem to be select empty but it doesn't work for me, and anything involving 'the selection' actually alters the content of the field AFAICS Dumb I know... but could someone help me? maybe this does help (in case it is a listfield)? ... set the hilitedlines of fld myField to 0 # zero ... TIA Graham -- - Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: List Moderation, recent threads and New Forum
Bob Warren wrote: Are you speaking to me on behalf of Runtime Revolution? No. I don't participate here that way, and that's why my posts carry my own sig rather than a Runtime sig. I was only repeating something that has been posted here before about how bugs are prioritized. Thinking better, forget it. I'm not going to play this game any more. It has two sets of rules. Whatever Heather has written to you is correct. You can respond to me offlist if you like, as you're right we should stop this thread. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
User List or Revolution Forum
To whom it may concern, With the introduction of the Forum, and still the existnece and use of the User List, which one are we supposed to use? Is the User List to be turned off soon and all submissions to be posted on the Forum? I haven't read anything to the contrary, a little unclear. What's up? Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: STOP THE PRESSES!
On 4/9/06 7:14 AM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, Well, we have ship Valentina 2.3 release, so I was able check our docs on this issue. I have found that our docs contains clear instructions on page 7 of V4REV_Reference_2_en.pdf -- Registration of V4REV external in a new stack When you create a new stack where you want to use external Valentina for Revolution, you need first of all to specify for stack where external is located. You can do this in 2 ways: 1) Open a Stack Inspector. Switch to External References. Here add V4REV_Macho and/or V4REV_win.dll externals. 2) using the window Messages you can type: set the externals of this stack to V4REV_2\V4REV_win.dll cr V4REV_2/V4REV_Macho -- So you probably simply overlooked this text. To simplify life of future new user of V4REV, we have add also special page in WIKI related to this issue. Even with picture :-) http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documen tation:v4rev:howto:external_reference And provide links to it from a) V4REV Manual b) V4REV HOW TO c) V4REV FAQs In any case it is good that you have point where people can have problems. This help us improve docs OKAY I JUST GOT IT! I didn't read far enough into the journal to see that Ruslan has answered my question. I need to add the V4REV_Macho in the External References of the stack! GOTCHA! Sorry for all the posts. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Judy. I had to laugh out loud reading your post. Not because the issue is funny, but I had a picture in my head of you yanking out hair by the fistfuls! I agree with your basic point. It seems clear to me that RR has a branding issue. I think they think they have solved it now. But there's a lot of consternation about changing the name of the language to be the same as the product and I keep waffling on that one. IT will be nice when we can go two full years without a product name change for sure! On 4/9/06, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Dan (et al.), I suppose that I personally don't give a flying flaming figurative fig's whatever body-part who calls what what, but... It really would be nice if RunRev could pick a few names and STICK WITH THEM!!! -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Custom Properties
Cutom Properties were one of the primary features of Rev that attracted me back into the xTalk fold. They are immensely powerful. Even my eBook (thanks for the plug, Scott!) only scratches the surface. Every time I find a new use for one of these puppies I get more astonished. Example: You can put a complete binary file into a custom prop and ship it as a single unit. That's how I embed the PDFs in my SmartEBooks. So convenient. SO fast. On 4/10/06, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, First off - Dan isn't paying me to write nice things about his books g I just bought another one of Dan's books - this one is about Custom Properties. Now - I knew CP's were pretty cool but I didn't realize just how damn sexy they are! My head is spinning with the prospects this reference has introduced to me. If, like myself, you are a newbie to Rev (I've only been coding in Rev since last July) then I'd recommend adding this book to your collection. For five USD it's a bargain. When I've digested everything in this one I'm going to get his book on CGI's! :-) Scott Kane -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 6/04/2006 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User List or Revolution Forum
mfstuart wrote: With the introduction of the Forum, and still the existnece and use of the User List, which one are we supposed to use? Like any new venue, the forum is off to a slow start so you're likely to find more timely answers here. But if the traffic is an issue or you just prefer the forum format, I see no reason you couldn't post there. Is the User List to be turned off soon and all submissions to be posted on the Forum? I doubt this list will be going away. The archives contain far to many tasty knowledge nuggets to ever consider discarding it, and there are so many mirrors that if there was ever such a misplaced desire it would prove impossible. Archives aside, if this list ever does stop accepting new posts I have no doubt a new Rev list would be formed by this community outside of the auspices of RunRev. Given that we all seem to like having Heather as list mom, I hope that never happens. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deselecting a line
On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: This seems a very simple question, but I haven't found the answer, either by experiment or from the RR documentation. I can easily highlight a line in a field by a script like select line mySpecialLine of field myField and of course my user can do it with a click on a line in the field; and I guess I could script a click myself; but what I want to do at the moment is the reverse, i.e. deselect a line which my user has selected without removing focus from the field and without selecting another line. The obvious answer would seem to be select empty but it doesn't work for me, and anything involving 'the selection' actually alters the content of the field AFAICS Dumb I know... but could someone help me? Graham, Does select after line mySpecialLine of fld Myfield do what you want? We might need more details about what you're trying to do to help you out. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multicard Stack, Standalone Speed, and screenNoPixmaps property
On 4/11/06, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7 seconds is a pretty long time just to access a card. Are you using any transitions (visual effects) by chance? What is present on the secondary cards -- it sounds like maybe some large images. Is this the case? Also, what about initialization scripts: do you have any going on in any of your secondary cards? Regards, Scott Rossi The cards are 800x600, with a full size backdrop image and a few other images on top of that for the GUI (perhaps as many as 15 in some cases). This could also include text field(s) for certain cards. There is initialization scripts for when the card opens, but from my first message it's clearly not the cause of the performance hit. With screenNoPixmaps set to true (disable buffering) the delay is completely trivialized and not even worth timing. This is with all the initialization scripts still running of course. This leads me to believe the graphic buffer creation is causing the slowdown. On the second visit to any other card in the stack is nearly instant, including a different card than the first category that was opened. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: Mark Talluto_ 144 || Marielle, Wow! I did not realize I even posted this many messages. While this is a low number, I thought I was more quite than that. How did you derive this information? Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multicard Stack, Standalone Speed, and screenNoPixmaps property
Scott, I forgot to mention that there is no special effects of any kind on switching cards. I'm simply issuing a go to card instruction and it just flips to it without any flashyness. -Levi Kendall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User List or Revolution Forum
On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom it may concern, With the introduction of the Forum, and still the existnece and use of the User List, which one are we supposed to use? Is the User List to be turned off soon and all submissions to be posted on the Forum? I haven't read anything to the contrary, a little unclear. What's up? Mark Stuart Mark, My understanding is that both will continue in parallel. I prefer the mail list format, as do many others who have expressed an opinion here. For me forums are like having to travel to a bunch of different specialty stores and shopping for things I might be interested in. A mail list is like, well, having the postman bring me flyers from all the stores--I glance over them and only read the ones I'm interested in. My $.02/tuppence/€.02, etc. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Dan wrote: I agree with your basic point. It seems clear to me that RR has a branding issue. I think they think they have solved it now. But there's a lot of consternation about changing the name of the language to be the same as the product and I keep waffling on that one. IT will be nice when we can go two full years without a product name change for sure! Judy's point is important, as concerns about RunRev not having a plan and sticking with it seem far more pervasive and serious than the small perceived benefit of attempting to get some micro-branding value from an unnecessary change. Consider this: the only real risk with branding is the case in which Transcript is being discussed in a context in which Revolution is never mentioned. Anyone ever actually see that? Rather than jump on the gotta-be-like-RealBASIC bandwagon, I'd sooner hitch my horse to the many more, larger, and more successful companies whose market research evidently found no value to such a move (Lingo, ActionScript, HyperTalk, AppleScript, OpenScript, etc. etc.). For every language named for its IDE there are at least four that aren't. Given the nature of the question, it isn't possible to have truly firm data one way or another (that sort of qualitative research is more an art than a science, prone to researcher subjectivity and with a singularity like a product it's not possible to have experimental controls). So at best it's a guess, and one which merely covers for the narrow possibility of a scenario in which Transcript would be discussed without mentioning Revolution. But what is known is the cost to the company and third parties to update all references to Transcript, the risk to the Open Directory and Wikipedia entries (both have Transcript listings and both have policies against entries for proprietary products), and the continued confusion to the market since so many references exist in so many venues that it won't be possible to update them all. Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts for a scenario that never happened? It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple, Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research departments are not entirely wrong on this. I hope RunRev will reconsider in light of more important priorities before committing to this recommendation from a contractor. A reputation for being flighty seems a far more serious branding issue than merely following an established trend among many major successful companies. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Custom Properties
On Apr 11, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Cutom Properties were one of the primary features of Rev that attracted me back into the xTalk fold. They are immensely powerful. Even my eBook (thanks for the plug, Scott!) only scratches the surface. Every time I find a new use for one of these puppies I get more astonished. Example: You can put a complete binary file into a custom prop and ship it as a single unit. That's how I embed the PDFs in my SmartEBooks. So convenient. SO fast. I had the same reaction when I finally got custom properties. My favorite recent discovery is the setProp structure. Any time some obscure handler in my project changes a property's value all I have to do is include a setProp structure to tell my stack what's supposed to happen. So often we HyperCard refugees have long-ingrained habits for working around issues, and all of a sudden we discover extremely powerful elements of Transcript--oops, I mean Revolution, I mean the scripting language formerly known as Transcript-- that transform our scripting lives. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Custom Properties
Devin Asay wrote: I had the same reaction when I finally got custom properties. My favorite recent discovery is the setProp structure. Any time some obscure handler in my project changes a property's value all I have to do is include a setProp structure to tell my stack what's supposed to happen. So often we HyperCard refugees have long-ingrained habits for working around issues, and all of a sudden we discover extremely powerful elements of Transcript... that transform our scripting lives. Many years ago I had a client who'd seen the HyperCard Instance Variables stack made by an Apple employee, and hired me to make him a toolkit for maintaining those sorts of pseudo-properties, along with pseudo-groups, and other Rev-like things. I tried to tell him I could save him a lot of money if he'd just fire me and buy a copy of Rev. He insisted, we did what we did, and while it worked I always felt odd about working so hard to craft workarounds for stuff that was already available more efficiently and more cost-effectively. My favorite thing about custom props is that they let me use stack files for general data storage -- I can have multi-part data, even hierarchically-ordered data, and it all flies so darned efficiently: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-July/006149.html -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deselecting a line
On 4/11/06 12:35 PM, Graham Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and of course my user can do it with a click on a line in the field; and I guess I could script a click myself; but what I want to do at the moment is the reverse, i.e. deselect a line which my user has selected without removing focus from the field and without selecting another line. I'm assuming you're talking about a list field, so you would do this: set the hilitedLines of field fieldName to 0 or set the hilitedLines of field fieldName to empty or set the hilitedLines of field fieldName to Any of those should do it... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
WAS Re: List Moderation, recent threads and New Forum, NOW specialFolderPath in Ubuntu Linux
Richard Gaskin wrote: Just to clarify, does specialFolderPath return the proper value under Ubuntu? Which constants work with it? The docs don't mention Linux at all, while they do list the constants available for Classic, OS X, and Windows. So from the docs it's not clear whether specialFolderPath is expected to work at all right now under Linux. If it works in one flavor of Linux but not others, while momentarily annoying it bodes well for the future, as it implies the effort was made for it to work on Linux but it simply has some bugs in the current release. This is especially interesting to me, as I'm planning on my first Linux release later this year. I'll be watching Linux-related threads closely - Hi Richard, The function specialFolderPath has apparently not been implemented in Linux, and the little OS icon at the top of the Help page describing it is dimmed out to show that it is not available. With regard to the parameters it can take (e.g. System, Desktop), which are different and more/less numerous according to the OS, Linux does not appear as a heading on the Help page, and therefore no parameters are listed. (Sorry, you said that above, didn't you?) In practice, typing this function in the message box with any viable parameter gives an empty result. Of course, I am only able to test it in Ubuntu Linux and not any other kind of Linux at the moment, but I imagine that the practical experiment would give the same results. This is especially interesting to everybody, since certain fundamental things become difficult if not impossible without this function. MY first Linux program was severely limited because of difficlty in obtaining fundamental system info of this sort. Whether or not it will be implemented in 2.7 Regards, Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
For the 2 cents it's worth: I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not to mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in place. Most good marketing folks will tell you it takes a lot of very strong arguments to consider changing a brand. And changing a brand is an expensive propositon (Now they'll have to replace Transcript with Revolution in each and every document, help file, book, website, etc..). Not to mention the amount of resources it will take to make that change in each customer and potential customer's mind. In my humble opinion, I would've thought RunRev has bigger and more important ways to use their resources. A small company like RR has just so many resources and I would certainly want them focussed on NOT creating more work for the company (as well for supporters like Dan who have to go back and change every book), but rather on ESTABLISHING better market awareness for the existing brands. All that said, there are certainly extenuating circumstances which would warrant the changes-- trademark and copyright violations among them. Not being privy to the conversations, I wouldn't know what the compelling arguments FOR the multiple brand changes are. Though, I suppose there might be some mention of them on the list or website. All that said, looking back, I've found these type of decisions were made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help of trusted advisors. At Human Code we had a board of directors, which met each quarter and frequently offered different and valuable advice utilizing other's experiences and perspectives, which helped me as CEO, make good decisions. It's unfortunate RunRev doesn't work with a board of advisors, as I'm sure a few past misteps in the past could've been averted. This opinion is offered in the spirit of helpfullness, not to be derogatory towards RR and their executive management. Frankly, there's a lot going on that's really great there. And, if one takes the time to read Kevin's posts, you will find him to be always polite and appreciative of his customers, without ever resorting to threats or any type of argumentive behavior. I suppose we all could use a dose of his polite manners on this list. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts for a scenario that never happened? It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple, Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research departments are not entirely wrong on this. If you'd like to send me the case studies used internally at these companies to support your argument, it would go a long way in convincing one way or the other. I hope RunRev will reconsider in light of more important priorities before committing to this recommendation from a contractor. Does this mean being a contractor invalidates any experience in business - are contractors only good for executing mechanical tasks? A reputation for being flighty seems a far more serious branding issue than merely following an established trend among many major successful companies. Id be happy to set up a marketing forum to discuss pro's and con's of marketing techniques. Paradigma already has one on Digital Pilon but it might be helpful and interesting to have on specifically on Revolution Forums. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
All that said, looking back, I've found these type of decisions were made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help of trusted advisors. At Human Code we had a board of directors, which met each quarter and frequently offered different and valuable advice utilizing other's experiences and perspectives, which helped me as CEO, make good decisions. It's unfortunate RunRev doesn't work with a board of advisors, as I'm sure a few past misteps in the past could've been averted. I agree with your point here, Chipp. Its better to have the collective scar tissue of more experienced people around to avoid having to acquire the same scars they did. There is also a dynamic in acquiring such a board of directors or advisors which also presents additional challenges - picking a board based on where you want to go as a company. Last year I attended an EDGE forum called Deadly Sins that Can Kill Your Software Company that covered the top seven deadly ones of CEOs - it had a broad range of experience on the board, including the founder of Extensis and a VC from Olympic Ventures. Im almost finished with writing them all up. Ill post a link on the forums when all finished. This opinion is offered in the spirit of helpfullness, not to be derogatory towards RR and their executive management. Frankly, there's a lot going on that's really great there. Its hard to find fault with your opinion here :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts for a scenario that never happened? It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple, Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research departments are not entirely wrong on this. If you'd like to send me the case studies used internally at these companies to support your argument, it would go a long way in convincing one way or the other. As I said earlier, I don't see the change so significant really in either direction. I presume this was discussed heavily and the decision was not made lightly, although there are pros and cons for either. The only thing that makes me somewhat uncomfortable, on the second thought, is calling a programming language revolution. Kinda odd, considering that it is a common word. May be a compromise could be to retain the name but don't call it be name in the marketing materials, simply referring to the scripting language OF Revolution. I find this more clear than English-like Revolution is the easiest scripting language available. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
For the 2 cents it's worth: I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not to mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in place. Yes, indeed, to add 2 more cents. The name was and is really great. Unfortunately, as the product it suffered from not clear enough separation from the Revolution line IMHO, so I am no so surprised it going away. I mean that having a different name for a de facto lowest member of the family was somewhat confusing. It possibly could fare better if it was a totally separate product. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Sounds like a good idea! Judy On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote: A reputation for being flighty seems a far more serious branding issue than merely following an established trend among many major successful companies. Id be happy to set up a marketing forum to discuss pro's and con's of marketing techniques. Paradigma already has one on Digital Pilon but it might be helpful and interesting to have on specifically on Revolution Forums. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Marketing Your Products Forum (was RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media)
Sounds like a good idea! Hi Judy, its ready to go! :-) Empty now but ready to be filled. Just register and log in. A Marketing Your Products forum - Share your experiences and ideas on how to market your Revolution made products. http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=31 Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Some stats from Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 395,000,000 for revolution The first relevant link was the runrev homepage (14th) The most prominent links (and text ads) had to do with heartworm medicine for you pets. Also note that the next generation Nintendo game station is also called Revolution. Once that ships I think runrev is going to be lucky if they are on the 14th page of results with this keyword. Results 1 - 10 of about 157,000,000 for Transcript No relevant links in the first 10 pages. Very common word, text ads referred to college transcripts Results 1 - 10 of about 4,850,000 for revolution transcript. The 7 of the first 10 sites were for relevant websites. There were no text ads displayed. (Perhaps that is a marketing opportunity for someone?) For someone that wants to find out information about Results 1 - 10 of about 22,100,000 for revolution programming Similar results 7 of the first 10 sites are relevant, but the 5th site was about Nintendo's game station... Again no text ads. Results 1 - 10 of about 66,800,000 for revolution language 2 out of the first 10 are relevant. Results 1 - 10 of about 30,000,000 for transcript language. The first 4 links are relevant (for a total of 5 of the first 10) I am not Search Engine Optimizer or anything like that, but it looks to me as the inclusion of the word 'transcript' really narrows the search results and produces more relevant links than just 'revolution' Now I am sure runrev will do their best to update all of their references, but the do not have any control over third party links, plus once Nintendo's Revolution ships I expect runrev to be buried under all of the gaming website links. Todd On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts for a scenario that never happened? It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple, Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research departments are not entirely wrong on this. If you'd like to send me the case studies used internally at these companies to support your argument, it would go a long way in convincing one way or the other. As I said earlier, I don't see the change so significant really in either direction. I presume this was discussed heavily and the decision was not made lightly, although there are pros and cons for either. The only thing that makes me somewhat uncomfortable, on the second thought, is calling a programming language revolution. Kinda odd, considering that it is a common word. May be a compromise could be to retain the name but don't call it be name in the marketing materials, simply referring to the scripting language OF Revolution. I find this more clear than English-like Revolution is the easiest scripting language available. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
On Apr 11, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: Mark Talluto_ 144 || Marielle, Wow! I did not realize I even posted this many messages. While this is a low number, I thought I was more quite than that. How did you derive this information? I hit the list too, and I haven't even been using Rev for most of a year. I must have been very talkative last year... I know I was even more so before that. I haven't graced this list too much as of late. ;-) -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media
Good detective work there Todd. And to tell the truth, I think the same way. Turns out the term 'revScript' has only about 50 hits...h. -Chipp Todd Higgins wrote: Some stats from Google: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stats from Google
I do some SEO and for those of you with web sites, one of the best things you can do to help Revolution rate well with Google is to use *descriptive* text links from your web site to the RunRev web site. The big question is what do people enter into a Google search when they're looking for this type of product. It may not be Revolution at all. Once you know what people actually type, using those keywords in the anchor text of your link will be the most beneficial. The best case scenario is when a topically-related web site (in this case, software development) places a one-way, keyword-rich text link to another site (runrev.com). When all three match, you've done your best. Graphic links are not of much value from an SEO perspective. Perhaps if someone from Runtime could let us know which keywords it's wanting to be ranked well for, those of us with web sites can use those keywords in our links to them. The home page of their web site does not appear to have a keyword meta tag (?) I'll poke around a bit in Wordtracker (a keyword research service) and see what I can find as well. Marty Knapp (my bad if this is of topic . . .) Todd Higgins wrote: Some stats from Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 395,000,000 for revolution snip I am not Search Engine Optimizer or anything like that, but it looks to me as the inclusion of the word 'transcript' really narrows the search results and produces more relevant links than just 'revolution' Now I am sure runrev will do their best to update all of their references, but the do not have any control over third party links, plus once Nintendo's Revolution ships I expect runrev to be buried under all of the gaming website links. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation on Linux
On 4/6/06, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seamus, Not on Linux yet. We are working on a major upgrade to the product line and Linux support and compatibility is one of our goals. Jerry, Just so you know, you'll have another customer here, once you get the Linux version sorted. Cheers, -- Rishi Viner -- PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Loading image data from DB
At 10:47 AM -0600 4/7/2006, Devin Asay wrote: Which is essentially what I ended up doing, and it worked. Is it correct to assume that 'the text' is binary data expressed as ASCII text and data like 'the imageData' is lower-level code that can't be expressed visually in a meaningful way? Forgive my naive non-techie questions. Not exactly - any binary data can be expressed in terms of ASCII (or extended ASCII) characters. Looking at an example: A typical byte's worth of binary data (8 bits): 01101101 That same binary number, expressed in decimal (ordinary base-10 numbers): 64 + 32 + 8 + 4 + 1, or 109 ASCII 109 is the character m, so we could write that byte's worth of binary data as m. Any 8-bit segment of binary data can be expressed as a single ASCII character, in the same fashion, so we can always represent binary data as characters. The main fly in the ointment is that some of those characters are control characters, or characters that don't have a glyph to represent them, and some of those will cause real trouble if you try to e.g. display them in a field. (For example, the binary sequence is perfectly valid and may show up in the binary data of any picture, but the character it's equivalent to is the null character, ASCII 0 - which can't be displayed on screen.) This is the basic difference between binary data and text data - you can represent either one of them as either strings of ones and zeroes, or as sequences of ASCII characters, but text is guaranteed to contain only characters in the subset that can be represented in a text file, whereas in binary data, anything goes, and a sequence of 8 bits might translate into any character. Am I correct in my understanding that these two statements are functionally identical: put myData into image myImage set the text of image myImage to myData ? In other words, 'put' is simply shorthand for 'set the text of object'? Yes. The text property of a container object (an image, button, or field) is the same as a reference to that object. It works for images just like for fields. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Window staggering
This should be really easy and I don't want to rediscover gravity so I'll ask first: does anyone here have a simple algorithm for staggering new windows in a multiwindow app? I've gotten spoiled by Cocoa, etc. which takes care of this for me but cloning a template window in Rev does not. Obviously, I could just move my new window a bit but I'm not sure how far and in any case, if the number of windows is large enough, we need to restart at the top. I figure someone has written this already?? Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Window staggering
My first thought is to set a start location (10,10) and an ending topLeft (100,100) and 2 increments (eg. 30,50), then use a loop for the number of windows to find the topLeft, (then set the rightBottom according to the screenrect available, if desired). Of course, step 1 would be determining the window order (alphabetical, current stacking order, etc) on test put 30 into xIncrm put 40 into yIncrm put 10 into xStart put 10 into yStart put 120 into xMax put 160 into widthh put 90 into heightt put xStart into currX put yStart into currY repeat with s = 1 to the number of stacks set the left of stack s to currX set the top of stack s to currY --set the width and height if needed add xIncrm ot currX add yIncrm ot currY if currX xMax then put xStart into currX put yStart into currY end if end repeat end test ---not tested, just typed off the top of my head Jim Ault Las Vegas On 4/11/06 8:12 PM, James Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be really easy and I don't want to rediscover gravity so I'll ask first: does anyone here have a simple algorithm for staggering new windows in a multiwindow app? I've gotten spoiled by Cocoa, etc. which takes care of this for me but cloning a template window in Rev does not. Obviously, I could just move my new window a bit but I'm not sure how far and in any case, if the number of windows is large enough, we need to restart at the top. I figure someone has written this already?? Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
