Re: Error uploading file in Windows: this looks like a bug, please confirm...
Thanks for the quick response, but to bad... There are no spaces in the username or password and I have full access to the server. Using put (ftp://;) user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/wwwroot/ Schedule.html into url vURL now creates an empty file in the correct location, but no data is in it. Also creating the file locally and then uploading it to the ftp server doesn't work, creating the file in the root directory of the FTP server and then moving it to the correct location creates an empty file as well... Can anyone reproduce this on Windows? On the Mac it works fine... Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Well, I got the application to compile successfully. I don't know which of two problems was getting in the way but I'm going to do more testing. I renamed the stack with a .rev extension and I opened the stack in 2.7.2, saved it in legacy format and then opened it and compiled it in 2.6.1 That did the trick. Thanks to everyone who offered ideas. I'm going to augment that section of my forthcoming eBook with these ideas! On 7/20/06, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, no password protected stacks. I'm going to go through the suggestions one by one and eliminate them until I get this sucker wrestled to the ground. The project's three days late even though I finished it on time. Very, very frustrating. On 7/20/06, Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dan, do you have any password-protected stacks in the mix? I have a nagging feeling about it, but haven't tested it recently. Phil Davis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language
Dear Richard Gaskin: Last Time I Asked I asked about IDEs however This Time my question was really related to the status of the programming language as such: Consider: Somewhere along the line, RR acquired the rights to MC, and, have subsequently added more terms (and capabilities) to xTalk / MetaTalk / Transcript / Revolution. So: Is the variant of xTalk that is the programming language used with Runtime Revolution Open Source, and, if not, what, exactly is its status? The Krugley people (even if nobody else) obviously think this sort of thing is important. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Philosophical problems are confusions arising owing to the fluidity of meanings users attach to words and phrases. Mathewson, 2006 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A CGI which use socket / datagrams?
I`ve been having some problems with tests using Rev based CGI's and the openSockets commands... use-case = CGI sends an IM to a Rev client somewhere on the internet. I set up a test with a simple socket listner on a local machine and used localhost or the ip address for the listner and sender - got this working with datagrams and normal sockets - however with the script called by the Apache Web server (on OSX) I get no response and nothing after the call get executed? Any ideas? Don't think this is a version issue as I'm usin the latest Darwin engine... and sockets have been around a while - seems to me that the calls to the socket are being prevented by Apache? Any ideas? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
xTalk Legal Status (was: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language)
Honest question: Can anyone say what the legal status of our favorite language is? HyperTalk was released by Apple, then there were a bunch of clones -- are the keywords, structures, syntax, etc., protected by patent and/or copyright? Does Revolution pay a royalty to Apple? Can anyone make a compiler/interpreter that speaks HyperTalk and/or TranScript and/or Revolution? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Pattern utility
Jacque others, I wrote a utility stack to use to break apart a multi-pattern image into individual images. It also has limited ability to reverse the operation. It also can add a white transparent alpha mask to the created images. I wrote it for my personal use, so there is not a lot of help in it, but you can look at the scripts to see what is going on. I uploaded it to Rev online (share this stack under the file menu) to the Utility catagory under my ID gefisher. Have fun with images, Glenn -- Glenn E. Fisher University of Houston - Retired 22402 Diane Dr. Spring, Tx 77373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uh.edu/~fisher http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/ http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A CGI which use socket / datagrams?
What do you mean, called by the apache server? Are you simply using the address http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi or are you running the script in another way? How are you trying to detect the response, using a Rev script or a php script? Do you have any scripts you can post? I had no problems at all opening sockets from a rev cgi engine and am even sending e-mails from it. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 14:17 heeft David Bovill het volgende geschreven: I`ve been having some problems with tests using Rev based CGI's and the openSockets commands... use-case = CGI sends an IM to a Rev client somewhere on the internet. I set up a test with a simple socket listner on a local machine and used localhost or the ip address for the listner and sender - got this working with datagrams and normal sockets - however with the script called by the Apache Web server (on OSX) I get no response and nothing after the call get executed? Any ideas? Don't think this is a version issue as I'm usin the latest Darwin engine... and sockets have been around a while - seems to me that the calls to the socket are being prevented by Apache? Any ideas? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Hi Bill, SuperCard, Revolution, HyperTalk and a few other lesser known xTalk environments are all copyright protected. There are a few languages in the works, some of which already died, which are open-source. AFAIK Revolution nor SuperCard pays a royalty to Apple, there is no need for that. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if someone appears to have paid for the right to use part of the HyperCard source code. Just speculation. Anyone can make a compiler/interpreter that speaks an xTalk variant, as long as you don't reverse engineer. A legal approach would be to make an xTalk environment first and then make it compatible with existing xTalk platforms, but maybe you don't even need to consider what's legal, as long as you're not reverse engineering or copying. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 14:33 heeft Bill Marriott het volgende geschreven: Honest question: Can anyone say what the legal status of our favorite language is? HyperTalk was released by Apple, then there were a bunch of clones -- are the keywords, structures, syntax, etc., protected by patent and/or copyright? Does Revolution pay a royalty to Apple? Can anyone make a compiler/interpreter that speaks HyperTalk and/or TranScript and/or Revolution? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Imagedata row order
Jacqui, et al: I am trying to figure out how to set an image's imageData to a repeating pattern. I have a pattern that is 8 x 8 pixels. I want to repeat this pattern 16 times in order to fill a 32-pixel square image. If I repeat the pattern 4 times, I get a nice column of four repeating patterns going down the left edge of the image. If I repeat it 16 times I get junk. In what order are the pixels laid down, and what determines where and when they wrap? Set the text of the image to your 32-pixel square. The imageData, height, and width will be reset based on the new content. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [BUG] MacOS X 10.4.7 Rev 2.7.3 Intel Mac standalones look like classic.
Andre, I've posted this some days ago. --- Tired of manually copying the Plugins folder each time I test my app building a new standalone, I've made a little script to automate this task. Put it in a button handler, if you want. on mouseUp -- put below your actual Revolution application path put /Applications/Revolution Studio/2.7.0-gm-1/Revolution.app into revPath answer file Choose your app to add plugins: with /Applications/Revolution Studio/ put it into filePath set cursor to watch put /Contents/PlugIns/ after filePath put /Contents/PlugIns/ after revPath revCopyFolder revPathcoreimage_support.bundle,filePath revCopyFolder revPathjaguar_theme_support.bundle,filePath revCopyFolder revPathpanther_theme_support.bundle,filePath revCopyFolder revPathtiger_theme_support.bundle,filePath get the result if it empty then answer it -- some error? end mouseUp Regards, Paul Claude ZiggySoft Software http://www.ziggy-soft.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- on 17-07-2006 3:35, Andre Garzia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, please take a look at the following shots: http://andregarzia.com/snap1.png http://andregarzia.com/snap2.png http://andregarzia.com/snap3.png -- this is the 'good' one As you can see the border looks like acqua but the inner controls look like classic. There's something wrong with the appearance manager? Why it is looking like classic? This happens only in standalones, inside the IDE everything looks acqua, this standalones are universal binaries. Did anyone experienced this kind of trouble? I sent this standalons to Sivakatirswami so that he could run on a PPC g4 machine and they look wrong just like here. My standalones are with the wrong look and feel! I never fiddled with the templates or the appearance manager. Check the third shot and you'll see that all controls are being rendered as classic controls weird, very weird!!! Please help, I can't ship apps that look like classic even if they behave like 2006 apps... Both rev 2.7.3 and 2.7.2 are building these strange standalones here... I am on an intel macbook with mac os x 10.4.7 and rev 2.7.3 (and 2.7.2) HELP! Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [BUG] MacOS X 10.4.7 Rev 2.7.3 Intel Mac standalones look like classic.
Paul, thats some nice code!!! You know that the IDE sends a standaloneSaved message when it builds a standalone, this appears to be the perfect place to put this code. :-) Cheers andre On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Paul Claude wrote: Andre, I've posted this some days ago. --- Tired of manually copying the Plugins folder each time I test my app building a new standalone, I've made a little script to automate this task. Put it in a button handler, if you want. on mouseUp -- put below your actual Revolution application path put /Applications/Revolution Studio/2.7.0-gm-1/Revolution.app into revPath answer file Choose your app to add plugins: with /Applications/Revolution Studio/ put it into filePath set cursor to watch put /Contents/PlugIns/ after filePath put /Contents/PlugIns/ after revPath revCopyFolder revPathcoreimage_support.bundle,filePath revCopyFolder revPathjaguar_theme_support.bundle,filePath revCopyFolder revPathpanther_theme_support.bundle,filePath revCopyFolder revPathtiger_theme_support.bundle,filePath get the result if it empty then answer it -- some error? end mouseUp Regards, Paul Claude ZiggySoft⢠Software http://www.ziggy-soft.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- on 17-07-2006 3:35, Andre Garzia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, please take a look at the following shots: http://andregarzia.com/snap1.png http://andregarzia.com/snap2.png http://andregarzia.com/snap3.png -- this is the 'good' one As you can see the border looks like acqua but the inner controls look like classic. There's something wrong with the appearance manager? Why it is looking like classic? This happens only in standalones, inside the IDE everything looks acqua, this standalones are universal binaries. Did anyone experienced this kind of trouble? I sent this standalons to Sivakatirswami so that he could run on a PPC g4 machine and they look wrong just like here. My standalones are with the wrong look and feel! I never fiddled with the templates or the appearance manager. Check the third shot and you'll see that all controls are being rendered as classic controls weird, very weird!!! Please help, I can't ship apps that look like classic even if they behave like 2006 apps... Both rev 2.7.3 and 2.7.2 are building these strange standalones here... I am on an intel macbook with mac os x 10.4.7 and rev 2.7.3 (and 2.7.2) HELP! Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DreamHost In-Depth (was Re: Dreamhost?)
So I'm going to stop recommending anyone, as it's clear that every user has different experiences at different times with their pet provider, complicated by internet weather.. sqb I've been using JaguarPC for some years, I've upgraded to a full VPS solution during RevConWest and I am really happy with them. I can run Rev CGIs and their support always answered me in couple hours, sometimes even minutes and I do use support tickets a lot, they even installed apache modules for me without charging... I know people here have mixed experiences with them but anyway, it works for me. Cheers andre -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combo boxes in background groups
Consider making your own custom control by grouping components and artwork, and making your own custom properties for it - also using setprop and getprop. Then you can make it do whatever you want. Maybe there's no easy way to do this but it surprised me a bit: I would like to have a combobox in a background group with what would be its sharedText property set to false, assuming it had a sharedText property. Being a button, it of course does not so I hoped its sharedHilite property would have the same effect but unfortunately no; changing the text in the field portion of button, whether by typing in the box or by selecting a menu choice, changes every card with that background on it. Does anyone know of an easy way to include a combo box in a background but permitting each card to have a different value. I can simulate it a couple different ways, e.g. storing a custom property with the card on closing and reset it on opening but it seems it should be as easy as it is for regular input text fields. Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reorder Front Scripts?
On 7/21/06 11:44 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to change the order of front scripts without removing/reinserting scripts? Not as far as I know, Scott. It seems that Rev's inspector palette reinserts itself into the front every time it is opened from the main menu and, because it apparently doesn't pass all object manipulation messages, blocks front scripts I have that are used for control layout. It should be a good citizen and pass them... perhaps the next rev of Rev would do that? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
On Jul 22, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: [snip] Anyone can make a compiler/interpreter that speaks an xTalk variant, as long as you don't reverse engineer. A legal approach would be to make an xTalk environment first and then make it compatible with existing xTalk platforms, but maybe you don't even need to consider what's legal, as long as you're not reverse engineering or copying. So the compiler and ide are copyrighted, but the xTalk language itself is not copyrighted? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reorder Front Scripts?
Scott, You could open the inspector palette stack and add the pass msg to the handlers you need to work, then you would not have blocking. Of course, save and compress the original in case you need to revert to it. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 7/22/06 10:21 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/06 11:44 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to change the order of front scripts without removing/reinserting scripts? Not as far as I know, Scott. It seems that Rev's inspector palette reinserts itself into the front every time it is opened from the main menu and, because it apparently doesn't pass all object manipulation messages, blocks front scripts I have that are used for control layout. It should be a good citizen and pass them... perhaps the next rev of Rev would do that? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
AFAIK Revolution nor SuperCard pays a royalty to Apple, there is no need for that. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if someone appears to have paid for the right to use part of the HyperCard source code. Just speculation. There is no HyperCard source code in Revolution. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. :-) On 7/22/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's known files w/out .rev extensions won't compile. FYI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Microphone
Hey, I am in desperate need for some way to record sound, besides the record command. The record command takes half a second to start and end, and it saves the data to a file. This is just not what I am looking for. If there is any way to directly read from the microphone port (on a mac and pc) I desperately need to know how. Thanks for your help. Thank You, Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: xTalk Legal Status (was: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language)
IIRC, HyperTalk syntax was not copyrighted. I have a vague recollection of asking Bill A that question at one point and I think that was his answer. There are no copyright notices anywhere that pertain to xTalk syntax that I've been able to find. I know the guys at Spinnaker (and their successor, Format Software GmbH) did not pay Apple or anyone else royalties for use of the language syntax. Doesn't mean Apple couldn't have asked or required it, though. On 7/22/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honest question: Can anyone say what the legal status of our favorite language is? HyperTalk was released by Apple, then there were a bunch of clones -- are the keywords, structures, syntax, etc., protected by patent and/or copyright? Does Revolution pay a royalty to Apple? Can anyone make a compiler/interpreter that speaks HyperTalk and/or TranScript and/or Revolution? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] xTalk Legal Status
Mark Schonewille wrote: No, the concept or idea of an xTalk language is not proprietary. The Transcript, Metatalk, Supertalk, HyperTalk and other languages are definitely copyrighted. This is very odd indeed: presumably 'PUT', 'SET', 'AND' and so on are uncopyrightable as they are parts of English (which is Open Source in every sense!). Now from what Mark wrote it looks rather like the idea that ENGLISH is free and Open Source, but dialects of it, such as American English, English English, Scots English (which, bye-the-bye is spoken in Edinburgh and outwith the town), Zimbabwean English are copyrighted. (I apologise if your favourite English dialect is not included in the list above) This needs a much more detailed explanation as what is and what is not free/copyright/otherwise. Lynne's note about source code is good to know but not relevant to the language question: my sons and Lynne are not closely related (as far as I know) and we could say that their source code is reasonably different, but they both speak dialects of English. By the way: I should like to copyright my own, persoanl, pompous style! :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. Philosophical problems are confusions arising owing to the fluidity of meanings users attach to words and phrases. Mathewson, 2006 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. On 7/22/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the concept or idea of an xTalk language is not proprietary. The Transcript, Metatalk, Supertalk, HyperTalk and other languages are definitely copyrighted. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 19:43 heeft Garrett Hylltun het volgende geschreven: On Jul 22, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: So the compiler and ide are copyrighted, but the xTalk language itself is not copyrighted? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
I didn't mean to suggest that, Lynn. Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 19:57 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven: There is no HyperCard source code in Revolution. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: xTalk Legal Status (was: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language)
Taking Dan's reply into consideration, maybe I should rephrase my earlier reply. I meant to say that the engines, compilers and interpreters are copyrighted, not the languages themselves. Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 20:11 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: IIRC, HyperTalk syntax was not copyrighted. I have a vague recollection of asking Bill A that question at one point and I think that was his answer. There are no copyright notices anywhere that pertain to xTalk syntax that I've been able to find. I know the guys at Spinnaker (and their successor, Format Software GmbH) did not pay Apple or anyone else royalties for use of the language syntax. Doesn't mean Apple couldn't have asked or required it, though. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Hi Dan, If you interprete me saying that the languages themselves are copyrighted, then I am probably wrong, but you really can't reverse engineer Apple's HyperTalk engine or SuperCard's compiler, not to mention Revolution's. If you want to be really sure, though, read the licenses and take copyright laws into account. Best, Mark P.S. This is my last post regarding this subject, as I feel this is off-topic and I am not an expert in copyright issues. -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 20:13 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Mark... I think your summary is correct. Dan On 7/22/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, If you interprete me saying that the languages themselves are copyrighted, then I am probably wrong, but you really can't reverse engineer Apple's HyperTalk engine or SuperCard's compiler, not to mention Revolution's. If you want to be really sure, though, read the licenses and take copyright laws into account. Best, Mark P.S. This is my last post regarding this subject, as I feel this is off-topic and I am not an expert in copyright issues. -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 22-jul-2006, om 20:13 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reorder Front Scripts?
Recently, Jim Ault wrote: You could open the inspector palette stack and add the pass msg to the handlers you need to work, then you would not have blocking. Of course, save and compress the original in case you need to revert to it. Thanks, but unfortunately I need this for the layout tools we provide. I would rather not write any scripts that mess with users' IDEs, so I'll probably have to build some goofy workaround that checks the order of the front scripts until the Rev guys can be convinced to pass messages. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combo boxes in background groups
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Does anyone know of an easy way to include a combo box in a background but permitting each card to have a different value. I can simulate it a couple different ways, e.g. storing a custom property with the card on closing and reset it on opening but it seems it should be as easy as it is for regular input text fields. Unfortunately, that's the way you have to do it. I usually use a custom property as you describe, and set up the combo box in a preOpenCard handler. In this case, the preOpenBackground might apply depending on whether backgroundBehavior is actually true. I have used a virtual property in a control for the value. The setProp sets everything as needed. (I can't use the name 'text' for the virtual property and it can't behave like the 'text' property, sigh.) The virtual property can be for the background, the combo box or for a group wrapper of the combo box. An alternative storage location is a hidden field in a wrapper group (or the background) that is not shared. This is better for using multiple copies of a custom control. An alternative is to use property sets or computed names to prevent clashes. Missing in Rev is some sort of preOpenControl. Making one for one's controls is an investment of time and might not be worth it. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Richmond Mathewson wrote: This needs a much more detailed explanation as what is and what is not free/copyright/otherwise. It isn't that hard to understand. You can copyright your implementation of something but you can't copyright an idea. The idea of an xtalk language is not copyrightable. Apple's implementation of it in HyperTalk is. Runtime's implementation of in Transcript is. Scott Raney did not consult Apple when building MetaTalk; he wrote all the code from scratch using the ideas that Apple formulated in HyperCard. That is perfectly legal, and now Scott's implementation is copyrighted (and currently owned by Runtime.) If you write a story, the story is copyrighted. The idea the story tells is not. I can write the same story in my own words, and my copy is copyrighted too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combo boxes in background groups
On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Consider making your own custom control by grouping components and artwork, and making your own custom properties for it - also using setprop and getprop. Then you can make it do whatever you want. Right. The problem is making a property that is not shared. Here the setProp and getProp must either impose on the card (maybe leaving junk around as controls are moved from card to card) or use a hidden field. That still leaves the problem of setting the correct value when the card is opened. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Dan Shafer wrote: Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be .rev -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
Jacque Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like a pretty kludgy design to me but I can live with it as long as I know it's there. Of course file extensions aren't required or customary on OS X. That's why I said the idea was so last-century! :-) On 7/22/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be .rev -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
I said: To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be .rev -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. On second thought -- the standalone gets built into a different folder so it can't be a Finder thing. I remember reading about the reason here, and that it had something to do with naming conflicts, but I guess the rest went fuzzy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combo boxes in background groups
On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:37 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: James Spencer wrote: Does anyone know of an easy way to include a combo box in a background but permitting each card to have a different value. I can simulate it a couple different ways, e.g. storing a custom property with the card on closing and reset it on opening but it seems it should be as easy as it is for regular input text fields. Unfortunately, that's the way you have to do it. I usually use a custom property as you describe, and set up the combo box in a preOpenCard handler. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thank you Jacque (and Stephen and Dar) for confirming I wasn't missing something and for some ideas for how to work around the problem. Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
This is so off-topic I'm loath to respond but given that I have formal training in intellectual property law, I can't resist. Sorry. Feel free to ignore me. While you are basically right, Jacque, the issue isn't as easy as it seems. In part, that's because you're mixing patent and copyright language. Copyright always only applies to a specific work. That work is not strictly speaking an implementation of an idea. That is an accurate description of one factor involved in determining patentability. But the real problem is that it is difficult to address the question of the definition of implementation. Does the implementation of the clearly unprotectible idea of an xTalk language consist of the *vocabulary* (i.e., syntax) or the underlying code that makes that syntax behave in a specific way? This issue has rattled around the IP world for a couple of decades at least. Back in the 1970's when I was in the Marketing Communications department at Intel, the company tried to copyright the instruction set for the 8080 microprocessor specifically to prevent AMD from creating an instruction-set compatible chip. It was unable to do so. So I draw the (tentative) conclusion (with no research into recent case law and a big caveat that I'm not a practicing attorney, just a law-trained layman) that the xTalk *language* would not be subject to copyright but the underlying programming code that makes that instrction set work would be. Thus I can write an xTalk that is command-for-command identical with Transcript as long as I use different code, algorithms, language, etc., underneath it all. That, at least, is how I see it. And we've probably now narrowed the number of people who actually give a shit to about 2. On 7/22/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: This needs a much more detailed explanation as what is and what is not free/copyright/otherwise. It isn't that hard to understand. You can copyright your implementation of something but you can't copyright an idea. The idea of an xtalk language is not copyrightable. Apple's implementation of it in HyperTalk is. Runtime's implementation of in Transcript is. Scott Raney did not consult Apple when building MetaTalk; he wrote all the code from scratch using the ideas that Apple formulated in HyperCard. That is perfectly legal, and now Scott's implementation is copyrighted (and currently owned by Runtime.) If you write a story, the story is copyrighted. The idea the story tells is not. I can write the same story in my own words, and my copy is copyrighted too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. Tricky yes, but not impossible of course. The language syntax to Visual DialogScript is copyrighted. But it's a language that is definitely unique enough to be able to get away with being copyrighted. I'm not sure xTalk and variants can say the same. And of course, how could anyone get a copyright on this if there are prior works that they are based on? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
So the answer to the original question is No, xTalk can't be considered an open source language syntax. Someone would have to come up with a separate xTalk like syntax and release that as open source. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error uploading file in Windows: this looks like a bug, please confirm...
Ton- Friday, July 21, 2006, 11:45:18 PM, you wrote: Thanks for the quick response, but to bad... There are no spaces in the username or password and I have full access to the server. Using put (ftp://;) user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/wwwroot/ Schedule.html into url vURL now creates an empty file in the correct location, but no data is in it. Also creating the file locally and then uploading it to the ftp server doesn't work, creating the file in the root directory of the FTP server and then moving it to the correct location creates an empty file as well... Can anyone reproduce this on Windows? On the Mac it works fine... I just tried it again to make sure, and it does indeed work fine for me on win2k. What are you using for an ftp server? You mention that you have full access to the server, but are the ftp user permissions set that way as well? What is the ftp user's home directory set to? Are you sure there's actual data in variable vHTML? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
Dan Shafer wrote: So I draw the (tentative) conclusion (with no research into recent case law and a big caveat that I'm not a practicing attorney, just a law-trained layman) that the xTalk *language* would not be subject to copyright but the underlying programming code that makes that instrction set work would be. Thus I can write an xTalk that is command-for-command identical with Transcript as long as I use different code, algorithms, language, etc., underneath it all. Thanks for the clarification, Dan. That's sort of what I was trying to say, but you said it better. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
need help with accept connections from terminal.
Hi Folks, anyone here have a clue why a stack is able to accept connections when run from the IDE but it simply will not when run from a transcript shell command. When run from terminal, netstat reports that it is indeed opening the socket and listening but connection never happens. This is revolution 2.6.2 Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: need help with accept connections from terminal.
On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: anyone here have a clue why a stack is able to accept connections when run from the IDE but it simply will not when run from a transcript shell command. When run from terminal, netstat reports that it is indeed opening the socket and listening but connection never happens. This is revolution 2.6.2 OS? You mentioned terminal. On OS X, you will be limited to an earlier version for the command- line Rev you run from shell? So, you execute shell() running the old command-line rev, the IDE hangs waiting for something, you go to Terminal and do a netstat and see the listener? Are you sure it is command-line version that is listening? There is a bug (828) that allows multiple accepts to be open to the same port or host name. You might have some left over from debugging in the IDE. If you close one, you don't know which one you are closing. Try ResetAll. If I didn't get what your are doing, I'll try to pay better attention. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Microphone
In the past, I've relied on the mciSendString command for recording. Perhaps that might be of help to you? There's a demo stack at Rev Online: Category: General Title: Demo: MCISendString -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Microphone
You want to write to a ram buffer, right? You'll probably have to write an xcmd or have one written. Realtime audio programming is a special skill set you bring in big guns for. The good news is that at least on a Mac, you could applescript control a good, already existing audio app. My favorite is SoundStudio 3, and every function in the app is applescriptable -- I just checked. I'm sure it could work in the background, too, with as many windows open and sounds playing at once as you want. I don't know if there would be easy equivalents in Windoze. VBasic audio? sqb Hey, I am in desperate need for some way to record sound, besides the record command. The record command takes half a second to start and end, and it saves the data to a file. This is just not what I am looking for. If there is any way to directly read from the microphone port (on a mac and pc) I desperately need to know how. Thanks for your help. Thank You, Bridger -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Microphone
And it is Windoze-only. sqb In the past, I've relied on the mciSendString command for recording. Perhaps that might be of help to you? There's a demo stack at Rev Online: Category: General Title: Demo: MCISendString -- Nicolas Cueto -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
On 7/22/06, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course file extensions aren't required or customary on OS X. That's why I said the idea was so last-century! Personally, I find extensions more than helpful for me, and I turn them on the first thing when I setup either a PC or a Mac. I want to see them as they tell me information about a file without having to dig in a resource editor for it. Plus, as a programmer, they make life very easy. Just for the record, a 1 button mouse (which is the only way Mac laptops come configured) is so VERY last century. Especially when the operating system support the concept of right-click for properties, and scroll wheels. (and don't tell me you can use 2-button mice..i know that, it's just that right now, my PC laptop is...surpriseon my lap, and there's no desire for me to have to find a place for a mouse). -c ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
On Jul 22, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Just for the record, a 1 button mouse (which is the only way Mac laptops come configured) is so VERY last century. Especially when the operating system support the concept of right-click for properties, and scroll wheels. (and don't tell me you can use 2-button mice..i know that, it's just that right now, my PC laptop is...surpriseon my lap, and there's no desire for me to have to find a place for a mouse). Just for the record, there is no need to use a 2 button mouse when you can simulate multiple buttons, scroll wheels, and left and right clicks all with a trackpad and one mouse button. (and the appropriate piece of shareware) Having to have all of that hardcoded into a laptop is SO last century. ;-) http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/index.html -- Todd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application
That's a nifty piece of software. Do you use it? I'm wondering how exactly one simulates a right-click? I wouldn't think taping on the track pad would work all that well. In fact, I've turned off 'tapping' on all my track pads for that reason. But, using the track pad as a scroller is a good idea and I use it all the time on my laptop (software came with the laptop). I also found another neat hack which can help create the right-click, and it says it works on Macs (but I haven't tried it); http://www.hands-free.co.uk/resources/products/picture/75/Smartcat.jpg Supposedly, there's a foot controlled version of this too. ;-) best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
