RE: RichText Implementation
Hi again I received a private mail from a user of this list who told me that someone at RevCon said that revolution 2.8 will offer individual paragraph formatting. Anyone heard anything about this? If it takes too long time I have decided to do it the hard way. The best solution I can think of is using tabs in replacement for margins. I cannot wait another year Jan Jan wrote: Ive come to the point where I need to implement the Scriptwriter into my application. Ive build all the functionality around this function and delayed the scriptwriter until a proper richtext field was implemented into revolution. It doesnt seem that revolution will add this feature to revolution in the nearest future. So my question is: Does anyone know of anyone that have hardcoded this function into revolution? Or is my only option to hardcode this myself? Im really in need of individual paragraphs. The scriptwriter needs to know if the user is editing dialogue, a character name, an action etc. the format of a script looks something like this: --- TRUMP You didn't call, Eliza. You know you won't get anything if you... He goes to the desk and snatches the... --- This format needs three different margins. One for the character name, one for the dialogue and one for the action part. One approach I'm thinking of is to use tabstops and have a rawkeyup handler in the field that checks what type of element the writer is editing and puts the cursor at the right tab if the writer e.g. pushes the downkey. The challenge with this method is that I have to store every element in the script in a custom property of the field with the number of tabs for each element. Maybe with a reference to the linenumber. e.g. The line1 of fld Script. Am I on the right track? Hope this is understandable. Any ideas are appreciated. In the long run it could be handy to make a library of functions that other revolution users could use. use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SuperCard Project to Rev
Thanks Mark, I've decided to work thru a simple project, rather than try to convert all my SuperCard code . This way I can take it slow and learn as I go, and then go back and make the changes to my SuoerCard stack. I have created a mainstack with one field and an Open Palette button. I have created a substack with three buttons. My goal is to have each button insert a different font into the same field. So far I can do the following: 1) Create a palette from the Open Palette button 2) Insert a character into the maincard field from the palette buttons. Here's the code: on mouseUp set the textfont of field TabField of stack TabCard to GuitarTab set the textsize of field TabField of stack TabCard to 48 set the textfheight of field TabField of stack TabCard to 48 put R into field TabField of stack TabCard end mouseUp What I can't do is insert a string of characters. Button 1 inserts a character, but Button 2 replaced that character, rather than adding it after the first character. I haven't tested for multiple fonts, since I can only insert one character at a time. It's a start, but I need help getting to my goal of inserting a string of characters by multiple clicks on the buttons, and multiple fonts. I won't be mixing fonts on the same line. John ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SuperCard Project to Rev
Hi John, Thanks Mark, I've decided to work thru a simple project, rather than try to convert all my SuperCard code . This way I can take it slow and learn as I go, and then go back and make the changes to my SuoerCard stack. I have created a mainstack with one field and an Open Palette button. I have created a substack with three buttons. My goal is to have each button insert a different font into the same field. So far I can do the following: 1) Create a palette from the Open Palette button 2) Insert a character into the maincard field from the palette buttons. Here's the code: on mouseUp set the textfont of field TabField of stack TabCard to GuitarTab set the textsize of field TabField of stack TabCard to 48 set the textfheight of field TabField of stack TabCard to 48 put R into field TabField of stack TabCard end mouseUp What I can't do is insert a string of characters. Button 1 inserts a character, but Button 2 replaced that character, rather than adding it after the first character. put xyz into fld zwe will replace the actual content, right. You can of course put something AFTER the field, so the content is not overwritten! ... put S AFTER field TabField of stack TabCard ... And of course BEFORE. See these terms in the docs... I haven't tested for multiple fonts, since I can only insert one character at a time. It's a start, but I need help getting to my goal of inserting a string of characters by multiple clicks on the buttons, and multiple fonts. I won't be mixing fonts on the same line. John Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
Dear list folk, I am delighted to announce that Revolution for U3 is now available and to give you good folks advance notice about a special offer. 2.7.3 now has support for building applications on and for U3, the future looking system for running seamlessly from a flash drive, download it here: http://downloads.runrev.com As a special offer, we have a very limited supply of the RevCon West U3 flash drives in beautiful translucent purple for the first 36 purchasers of any Revolution CD plus any type of license! Yes, that includes updates, new purchases and even Media licenses. The U3 platform powers U3 smart drives that let consumers carry and launch not only files but software programs, personal preferences and computer settings - and the means for managing it all - wherever they go. Consumers simply plug the U3 smart drive into the USB port of any PC and securely access their files and software programs via the user- friendly U3 Launchpad. When the U3 smart drive is removed, the U3 Launchpad disappears from the computer and no personal information or software is left behind. Revolution 2.7.3 lets developers select a “U3 compatible” option when they begin creating a new software program. The new software they create will automatically conform to the U3 platform and will pass U3’s compatibility testing. Because the Revolution 2.7.3 development environment itself is U3 compatible, developers can carry Revolution on a U3 smart drive and securely access their work on any PC. As well as U3 support, 2.7.3 brings you - Zip file management allows file compression, listing archive contents and adding or extracting files in archives. - Application instancing lets developers control whether multiple or single instances of Revolution-based applications can run on Windows. - Improved Revolution Player-based distribution adds support for very long file names. Several additional fixes were made to players. - The Revolution integrated development environment has been upgraded with fixes for interrupting applications during the debugging process and with minor adjustments to make it easier to modify. This is a feature release, which means if you have a valid update pack you can download and install this for free, if you don't have an update pack you are going to need to get one in order to access this release. http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_update http://www.runrev.com/buy/enterprise_update I hope you enjoy this latest improvement to Revolution! Warm regards Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Export PNG weirdness
Hello everyone. Can anybody help with this ... I am exporting PNGs from fields, using this syntax: export snapshot from field fname to file imgPath as PNG This works just fine on about 30 or so fields, but when I come to one particular field it fails with error message: export: can't write to file, mask file, or container All the fields are opaque. If I switch this field to non-opaque... it works fine... or if I export as JPEG it works fine! The only difference (that I can see) between this field and others is that it is larger than the others. Has anyone come across this problem before? Could there be some other property that I have overlooked that is causing the problem? I am pulling my hair out at this one (and at my age I don't have too much to lose) Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On the site there are two release to download, wich one actual users do have to download ? (the one with U3 written or the other ?) Thank's Dominique On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:58:00 +0200, Heather Nagey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list folk, I am delighted to announce that Revolution for U3 is now available and to give you good folks advance notice about a special offer. 2.7.3 now has support for building applications on and for U3, the future looking system for running seamlessly from a flash drive, download it here: http://downloads.runrev.com As a special offer, we have a very limited supply of the RevCon West U3 flash drives in beautiful translucent purple for the first 36 purchasers of any Revolution CD plus any type of license! Yes, that includes updates, new purchases and even Media licenses. The U3 platform powers U3 smart drives that let consumers carry and launch not only files but software programs, personal preferences and computer settings - and the means for managing it all - wherever they go. Consumers simply plug the U3 smart drive into the USB port of any PC and securely access their files and software programs via the user- friendly U3 Launchpad. When the U3 smart drive is removed, the U3 Launchpad disappears from the computer and no personal information or software is left behind. Revolution 2.7.3 lets developers select a “U3 compatible” option when they begin creating a new software program. The new software they create will automatically conform to the U3 platform and will pass U3’s compatibility testing. Because the Revolution 2.7.3 development environment itself is U3 compatible, developers can carry Revolution on a U3 smart drive and securely access their work on any PC. As well as U3 support, 2.7.3 brings you - Zip file management allows file compression, listing archive contents and adding or extracting files in archives. - Application instancing lets developers control whether multiple or single instances of Revolution-based applications can run on Windows. - Improved Revolution Player-based distribution adds support for very long file names. Several additional fixes were made to players. - The Revolution integrated development environment has been upgraded with fixes for interrupting applications during the debugging process and with minor adjustments to make it easier to modify. This is a feature release, which means if you have a valid update pack you can download and install this for free, if you don't have an update pack you are going to need to get one in order to access this release. http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_update http://www.runrev.com/buy/enterprise_update I hope you enjoy this latest improvement to Revolution! Warm regards Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution __ Information NOD32 1.1701 (20060810) __ Ce message a ete verifie par NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Hi all, By accident I just discovered that group ID's change when you clone a stack. This can be very annoying when you work with tmplt stacks which you clone to use as, lets say a document or a viewer. I just did some testing, but button id's don't seem to change. Neither the id's of fields. But sure enough group id's do change, altough always in the same way. They start with the highest group id in the stack you clone incremented by one and so further up. Why? Why only groups. (well to be honest I didn't try with all controls, so there might be other controls who's id will also get changed when cloning a stack. This is a real nuissance for me since I rely heavilly on group id's in the stuff I am making now, which will get used as a tmplt stack and thus gets cloned for actual use. Lots of nested grps and I designed it around the id's, because that's safer there might be duplicate names. But it seems now I can't use the id's because they pull the rug underneath my feet when cloning the stack for use. This is in rev 2.7.2 (OsX) Am I missing something. Is it supposed to behave like that, is this a bug? I have no idea except that this is gonna cost me quite some work and planning of a new strategie to get this working as it should. Damn (lots of rewrites in several library's) Well you do learn each day, but it is tough going like this. If somebody can shed some light on this dark matter, at least it is for me, please do. Best wishes Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export PNG weirdness
On Aug 9, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote: All the fields are opaque. If I switch this field to non-opaque... it works fine... or if I export as JPEG it works fine! Can you export to a field as JPEG and then export the field as PNG? Maybe therein lies a workaround. So your current thinking is that it is not fonts? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Is there a more English-like Programming language thanTranscript?
I wouldn't mind so much if they wanted to call it RevTalk or something else. But making the scripting language name identical to the whole product is not something I can say is prudent, just out of sake of clarity/precision. Dan Shafer wrote And, to answer your opening question, Runtime Revolution is trying hard to get us to call the language Revolution. I'm resisting and I suspect lots of other folks are as well. I consider that a silly and ill-advised terminology change. But in their official literature, it's now Revolution which you program in...er...Revolution. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RichText Implementation
Jan... The only official word on future release features at RevCon came from CEO Kevin Miller under non-disclosure. Obviously, we're not at liberty to discuss any of that information here. I can say that there was a lot of scuttlebutt at the show about this very topic and that I will be quite surprised not to see it in some future release. Whether that will come within a year, I can't say and I'm not sure anyone, including Kevin, could say with certainty. But I feel your pain. Lack of rich text formatting has forced me onto another dev platform for one big project and is threatening to do so for another. On 8/11/06, Jan Sælid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again I received a private mail from a user of this list who told me that someone at RevCon said that revolution 2.8 will offer individual paragraph formatting. Anyone heard anything about this? If it takes too long time I have decided to do it the hard way. The best solution I can think of is using tabs in replacement for margins. I cannot wait another year Jan ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
Heather, Kevin, the entire Rev Team, Congratulations and thank you for your hard work in publishing this new release. Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: RichText Implementation
Dan- I'm really sorry to let this out. I didn't know that is was under non-disclosure. Well, actually, if I had used my mind, buy I guess the news made me no think and only hope for a solution. At least I know I'm not the only one with this problem. That always help a little. I have wished for this feature since 2003, even started a campaign to make people vote for it on bugzilla. But I decided to start building my project anyway, and it's a very big project. I just got an answer from revolution that I should not wait for this feature but do what I need to do... The only rad platform that have this feature is realbasic. But I've tried it several times, and I really don't like it. I grown into rev. I guess I have to take a leap of faith. Because I've done so much work already. Thanks for the answer. Dan wrote: But I feel your pain. Lack of rich text formatting has forced me onto another dev platform for one big project and is threatening to do so for another. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference objects was sketchy at best. As a matter of good programming practice, you should keep track of all your variables and object names so there is no inadvertent duplication to bite you in the butt later. If nothing else, use variable and object names that specifically describe the actual object. That was, as we learned at Revconwest 2006, The code practically comments itself. Naming objects are definitely the way to go. (IMHO) Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By accident I just discovered that group ID's change when you clone a stack. This can be very annoying when you work with tmplt stacks which you clone to use as, lets say a document or a viewer. snip Best wishes Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
But then you get into issues where buttons have graphics referenced by IDs. The only way around this is to reassign the icon IDs at some point. At 01:19 PM 8/11/2006, you wrote: Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference objects was sketchy at best. As a matter of good programming practice, you should keep track of all your variables and object names so there is no inadvertent duplication to bite you in the butt later. If nothing else, use variable and object names that specifically describe the actual object. That was, as we learned at Revconwest 2006, The code practically comments itself. Naming objects are definitely the way to go. (IMHO) Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By accident I just discovered that group ID's change when you clone a stack. This can be very annoying when you work with tmplt stacks which you clone to use as, lets say a document or a viewer. snip Best wishes Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strange artifacts everywhere in MacOSX
I'm not blaming Rev, or Galaxy or anything yet, however after updating everything -- Rev 2.7.3, Galaxy Studio, I started getting strange window and selection artifacts in every application on the Mac... This is a systemwide problem. Note the strange black outlines of different shapes around the windows - these goes away when the window isn't selected. On more complex windows, a box forms around a control, perhaps the first numbered item or something. I've re-installed Tiger (while keeping settings) and it didn't fix it. I've disabled Default Folder and Aliasmenu -- the only finder-altering extensions I'm aware of... no change. Anyone else see this? examples at http://barncard.com/gallery2/v/REV/20060809/ -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Robert Sneidar wrote: Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference objects was sketchy at best. As a matter of good programming practice, you should keep track of all your variables and object names so there is no inadvertent duplication to bite you in the butt later. If nothing else, use variable and object names that specifically describe the actual object. That was, as we learned at Revconwest 2006, The code practically comments itself. Naming objects are definitely the way to go. (IMHO) One of the many great things in Rev that HyperCard never dreamed of was having a separation of an object's name from its displayed label. This has totally changed my style of programming, allowing me to use names as mnemonic IDs while still have the label property for display to the user. And anytime I need to change the displayed label it never changes the object's name, so my scripts never need to be revised even with clients who change button labels a lot. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Do those graphics ID's change with a clone or do they remain the same? If they remain the same then for the sake of this discussion the point is moot. The original discussion was about how group ID's change, but other object ID's do not. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then you get into issues where buttons have graphics referenced by IDs. The only way around this is to reassign the icon IDs at some point. At 01:19 PM 8/11/2006, you wrote: Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference objects was sketchy at best. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange artifacts everywhere in MacOSX
Hi Stephen, I don't think it has anything to do with Rev. You have VoiceOver enabled on your computer: System Preferences - Universal Access - Voiceover Off (or hit Apple +F5) I you listen carefully, your computer is talking to you. Regards, Todd On Aug 11, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: I'm not blaming Rev, or Galaxy or anything yet, however after updating everything -- Rev 2.7.3, Galaxy Studio, I started getting strange window and selection artifacts in every application on the Mac... This is a systemwide problem. Note the strange black outlines of different shapes around the windows - these goes away when the window isn't selected. On more complex windows, a box forms around a control, perhaps the first numbered item or something. I've re-installed Tiger (while keeping settings) and it didn't fix it. I've disabled Default Folder and Aliasmenu -- the only finder- altering extensions I'm aware of... no change. Anyone else see this? examples at http://barncard.com/gallery2/v/REV/20060809/ -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
I did some further testing and it turns out like this: All objects (at least the ones I tested and I did most) don't change id when the stack is cloned. That is all controls that are not part of a grp! The id of all outermost grps don't change but the id's of ALL controls in a grp will change, including the id's of nested grp's. So each and every control in a grp get's it's id changed when the stack is cloned, except the id's of the outermost grp's. What would be the reason behind this? Why doesn't the id of the outermost grp's change but each and every control in each grp get's a new ID. What will happen when I clone a stack with hundred of grp's. How much time wil this take if each control in all these grp's need to be reIDed. I can live with the fact, well I will have to, there obviously is no choice, but I sure like to know! Best wishes, Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Ooops. I didn't read thoroughly. If the other object IDs don't change, it is moot. It is odd that the only the group ID's would change. At 01:47 PM 8/11/2006, you wrote: Do those graphics ID's change with a clone or do they remain the same? If they remain the same then for the sake of this discussion the point is moot. The original discussion was about how group ID's change, but other object ID's do not. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then you get into issues where buttons have graphics referenced by IDs. The only way around this is to reassign the icon IDs at some point. At 01:19 PM 8/11/2006, you wrote: Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference objects was sketchy at best. Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Naming objects are definitely the way to go. (IMHO) It is odd that the only the group ID's would change. Take a look whether the layers of your groups or their objects had changed! I ran into that sort of difficulty a couple of years ago and found it very annoying to have to reestablish references to objects based on IDs, however - at that time, I did not test now - the IDs were changed when a stack was cloned in case the *layers* of the objects had changed. Attributing of new IDs will also happen when a card is copied within the same stack or to another stack (because IDs are unique in a stack), but the order of the IDs will remain the same - unless you have changed the layers of the card objects. Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Is there a more English-like Programming language thanTranscript?
Yes - I prefer Transcript as a term. I am surprised there is not more on this issue - it seems dead on the internet. Plain english programming. I find it one of the main reasons I still use Rev - and since the great work Jerry has done with Constellation - now Galaxy - well it really hits you in the face. Programming in Rev is like reading Hypertext - read the code - click on terms or functions you don't understand - get explanations - hit tab to auto-fill in the rest of the code and search for terms that sound like the first few characters you type - jump around the code hierarchy as you click from one programming term to another - it really is like reading and writing on the web - just faster and better. It should be more like this - there has not been a technical reason why this is not done for ages now? The integration should be stronger. The hypertext like links should extend to fetch code and explanations from the web. The documentation should be like Wikipedia - collaborativley expanded - so should the code base - and all within the Script Editor. Reading and writing code then really becomes like reading and writing text on the web. NB - whats the latest on the Rev Wiki discussion - I know there is a forum - but I see little advantage in that from my point of view - Marielle whats the latest on your project? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows standalone application to foreground upon un-minimizing?
Hello, When I minimize a standalone application for Win32 made with Rev, then click its button in the task bar at the bottom of the screen, my application's window is drawn behind other apps that are currently open. I've never observed this behavior before with mainstream Windows apps as the intent of un-minimizing is obviously to bring the app to the foreground, on top of the others. Does anyone know how to combat this? Thanks, Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows standalone application to foreground upon un-minimizing?
Hi Jon, If you search the archives, you will find a visual basic script that does what you need. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 11-aug-2006, om 22:49 heeft Jon Seymour het volgende geschreven: Hello, When I minimize a standalone application for Win32 made with Rev, then click its button in the task bar at the bottom of the screen, my application's window is drawn behind other apps that are currently open. I've never observed this behavior before with mainstream Windows apps as the intent of un-minimizing is obviously to bring the app to the foreground, on top of the others. Does anyone know how to combat this? Thanks, Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RichText Implementation
No apologies needed, Jan. No harm done. I had not for a long while been able to understand -- though I admit to not having spent a huge amount of time investigating either -- why RR or someone doesn't incorporate an external that would give us a fully formattable text object. There are a lot of such engines lying around. I can edit rich text in an HTML page, for Heaven's sake! Why can't I get that in a full-blown standalone app development tool? Turns out, as far as I can understand it, that the text engine in RunRev is so deeply interconnected at a fundamental level that any attempt to replace it or modify it is a HUGE undertaking. So I concluded that if rich text formatting of content is important to an app I'm being asked to create, I have two alternatives: (1)use RunRev but do the text formatting using HTML and output the reports/results in HTML for viewing in a browser (including, of course, altBrowser which can be embedded fairly neatly into the app directly); or (2) pick a different tool that has the built-in text editing incorporated. Python, which is my other favorite language, has numerous libraries in support of formatted, rich and other text options, e.g. Another reason why having only one tool in your toolbox isn't a great idea for a serious developer. Python lacks chunking but Transcript lacks rich text control. On 8/11/06, Jan Sælid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan- I'm really sorry to let this out. I didn't know that is was under non-disclosure. Well, actually, if I had used my mind, buy I guess the news made me no think and only hope for a solution. At least I know I'm not the only one with this problem. That always help a little. I have wished for this feature since 2003, even started a campaign to make people vote for it on bugzilla. But I decided to start building my project anyway, and it's a very big project. I just got an answer from revolution that I should not wait for this feature but do what I need to do... The only rad platform that have this feature is realbasic. But I've tried it several times, and I really don't like it. I grown into rev. I guess I have to take a leap of faith. Because I've done so much work already. Thanks for the answer. Dan wrote: But I feel your pain. Lack of rich text formatting has forced me onto another dev platform for one big project and is threatening to do so for another. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to save as a 'Legacy Revolution Stack'
How can I force to save as a 'Legacy Revolution Stack' with the save command, i.e. without passing by the save dialog? And how to know if the saved format is 'Legacy Revolution Stack' or 'Revolution Stack'? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Simple De-Zipper Stack
Hello everybody I made a test stack with the new zip capabilities, and i found out several things: -It doesn't handle folders by itself, so you have to create folder hierarchies instead of just decompressing them. -It does mangle permissions, namely the execute bit of an executable within a .app bundle (of course .exe files are unaffected). You can find a workaround for that in my stack. -if you create a zip and have folders in it, you need to recursive walk them, or disallow folders altogether (what i did, of course then it wouldn't work with any bundles anymore). -It seems very robust otherwise What my Stack is: -It decompresses folders, and .app bundles without hitch. -If however the decompressed filenames already exist at the position of your .zip file THEY WILL BE REPLACED WITHOUT WARNING! So it's best to move the .zip to decompress into it's own folder. -It does make new zip files out of files. What my Stack is not: -Finished -Able to create zips with folder in them. All in all this new rev zip library is again way too complex, and like the xml library, will probably never be used by myself again. And finally a link to the stack: http://www.bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php or, for the impatient: http://www.bjoernke.com/stacks/de-zipper.rev -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Character length limit in fields - Part Duex!
Rev 2.6.1 / Mac OS X Greetings, Recently I asked about the text width limit in characters of a field. It seems that 65,536 characters is the limit, but there are definitely some issues with stuffing that much on one line of a field. I am using Lucida Grande Typewriter as the font at size 12 * Field set to no wrap, disabled and focusing not allowed; the characters do not show up if you toss in over 32,000 characters. If I keep at 32,000 characters, they are visible in the field. * Field set to no wrap and has scroll bars; Single line has only 28,750 characters, characters are showing, but scrolling stops at about 665 characters. But if break the line at 665, then the scrolling is allowed to go to about 995, break that second line down with a return and the scrolling is allowed to go even further. I'm trying to make a simple text editor that uses monospaced only fonts, with a character grid/guide so I know at what character position I am at when typing text. Screenshot of the scroll and length issue here: http://www.paraboliclogic.com/fieldproblem.jpg Does anyone have any insight into this issue? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Character length limit in fields - Part Duex!
On Aug 11, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: I am using Lucida Grande Typewriter as the font at size 12 I'm trying to make a simple text editor that uses monospaced only fonts, with a character grid/guide so I know at what character position I am at when typing text. I suspect that the pixel width limit is much less than it was or I misunderstood what the pixel limit was. And/or there may be a separate limit on the scroll. I suspect there are arithmetic errors from overflows. I tried 12 point courier. That is 7 points wide so I thought I should be able to put 4570 characters on the line (assuming 32000 pixel limit). Boy did that go goofy. The line was cut off and the scroll went way beyond the end of the line. I was only able to put in about 3700 characters in the first line and scroll right. The formatted width was messed up, so you might want to go to much less. Gotta go. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Err... Revolution 2.7.3 on mac intel crashing with HTTPS?!
Folks, can anyone confirm that Rev 2.7.3 is crashing on intel in every attempt to retrieve a secure URL such as https://www.blogger.com/atom a simple: put url https://www.blogger.com/atom; in the message box, crashes everything... :-( Sad Cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Err... Revolution 2.7.3 on mac intel crashing with HTTPS?!
On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: put url https://www.blogger.com/atom; in the message box, crashes everything... Ah, yes, the atom bomb. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Err... Revolution 2.7.3 on mac intel crashing with HTTPS?!
eheheh I was going to ship a software today, now, I am not... On Aug 11, 2006, at 11:45 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: put url https://www.blogger.com/atom; in the message box, crashes everything... Ah, yes, the atom bomb. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Character length limit in fields - Part Duex!
On Aug 11, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 11, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: I am using Lucida Grande Typewriter as the font at size 12 I'm trying to make a simple text editor that uses monospaced only fonts, with a character grid/guide so I know at what character position I am at when typing text. I suspect that the pixel width limit is much less than it was or I misunderstood what the pixel limit was. And/or there may be a separate limit on the scroll. I suspect there are arithmetic errors from overflows. I tried 12 point courier. That is 7 points wide so I thought I should be able to put 4570 characters on the line (assuming 32000 pixel limit). Boy did that go goofy. The line was cut off and the scroll went way beyond the end of the line. I was only able to put in about 3700 characters in the first line and scroll right. The formatted width was messed up, so you might want to go to much less. Gotta go. Dar Scott LOL.. Yeah, plays a bit of a game on it doesn't it. Thanks Dar for at least trying to figure that one out. I have never had the need for a line of text that's 32,000 or 65,000 or whatever, so maybe setting up my own code to limit lines to say 1024 or 2048 should be fine for me. Thanks again, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to save as a 'Legacy Revolution Stack'
On 8/12/06, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I force to save as a 'Legacy Revolution Stack' with the save command, i.e. without passing by the save dialog? Set the stackFileVersion. It is 2.7 for modern stacks and 2.4 for legacy stacks. And how to know if the saved format is 'Legacy Revolution Stack' or 'Revolution Stack'? Open the stack in a Text editor, or load it into a Rev field as text i.e. using file: not binfile: Legacy stacks start with: #!/bin/sh # MetaCard 2.4 stack # The following is not ASCII text, # so now would be a good time to q out of more and modern stacks start with: REVO2700 where characters 5 to 8 may vary with differetn versions of Rev. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Character length limit in fields - Part Duex!
On Aug 11, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: Thanks Dar for at least trying to figure that one out. I have never had the need for a line of text that's 32,000 or 65,000 or whatever, so maybe setting up my own code to limit lines to say 1024 or 2048 should be fine for me. I'm seeing something fishy with the hscroll so that it doesn't scroll enough to the right regardless of the line length. It doesn't depend on the char size, so it is something other than the pixel limit. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT: Is there a more English-like Programming language than Transcript?
Wasn't it OpenScript?? My memory may be bad... Judy On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote: After Director's Lingo, Flash's ActionScript, ToolBook's OpenTalk, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
Is this a programmer-thing? I ask because I have a devil of a time convincing my students to *name* their objects. They end up having problems and it's VERY frustrating... Judy On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Robert Sneidar wrote: Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference objects was sketchy at best. As a matter of good programming practice, you should keep track of all your variables and object names so there is no inadvertent duplication to bite you in the butt later. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
On 8/12/06, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a programmer-thing? I ask because I have a devil of a time convincing my students to *name* their objects. They end up having problems and it's VERY frustrating... Judy, apart from the ID problem, it's a matter of practicality. If your students come back to a line of script in 6 months time and it says: set the label of btn ID 8765 to Whatever they are not going to have a clue what is going on. However if it says: set the label of btn PrintSelectedText to Whatever they are going to be able to see immediately what it is. Like Richard, I really like the way Rev allows you to have separate names labels, so that labels can be changed to suit customer preferences, languages or what ever you like, while keeping the name the same so all your scripts still work. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack
On Aug 11, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Like Richard, I really like the way Rev allows you to have separate names labels, so that labels can be changed to suit customer preferences, languages or what ever you like, while keeping the name the same so all your scripts still work. I have the memory of a goldfish. By time I get the edit window open, I forgot the names of the controls. So, I like this idea a lot, but for initial development and experimenting, I usually have the name of the control on the card somehow. When I'm typing in the script, I can look over and see the name. Now if I could drag a control onto a script and have the editor insert a reference to that control, then I can have it all. Or maybe have the names float over controls while I'm editing, so I can glance over and see them. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
