Re: [OT] 37signals book on web app development.

2007-01-16 Thread jbv


Joe  Andre,

I understand your point, although I wonder how many of these MBAs
will ever read that kind of book, and how many of them will follow
any of the advices it contains, because they're completely brain-locked...

Hence the double meaning of my question : do we really need that kind
of advice ?
1- because we, as programmers and/or ppl working in small structures
know those advices and follow them for years
2- because bean counters will never take the time and energy to have
a look at it...

JB

 JB, I have to agree with Andre. We have so many MBAs and bean
 counters controlling what is being done at the highest levels, mostly
 with very little in the world practical knowledge/experience that
 they need to be shown/told how to get out of the book learning and
 into the Real world. What else can you expect with a real idiot
 running the U.S.A. at the VERY highest level. I thought most of the
 advice was well conceived; although I already practice it myself - in
 my real world.

 Joe Wilkins

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tempName()

2007-01-16 Thread sims

According to the doc's I can:
Use the tempName function to find an appropriate place to put a temporary file.


Would the fact that the machine a Rev application is installed on is 
on a network make any difference?


IOW - will the tempName function provide me with a reliable path for placing
a temporary file if the application is installed on a machine on a network?


sims
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Re: tempName()

2007-01-16 Thread David Bovill

It will return a string for a unique - that is new filename in the temporary
folder of the machine that Rev is running on - regardless of what sort of
network the machine that is running Rev is on.
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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread David Bovill

Sorry to hear the news Andre - Ill keep my fingers crossed that you get most
of the data back.

If you want some online disk space when you get things sorted Id be more
than happy to give you some subversion space. Again best of luck with
getting your data back - I got good results one from using a bootable linux
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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Phil Jimmieson

Hi Andre,
have you tried removing the drive from your MacBook (easy to do with 
the new laptops) and seeing if the machine will boot from CD/DVD 
without it? If not then the machine is dead, and your disk may be 
recoverable. For that you'd need someone with an equivalent MacBook 
that you could put your messed-up (not dead we hope) drive into. You 
could firewire mount that onto yet another Mac system and copy your 
home filestore onto that, or back it up onto DVD-R. I've done 
variations on this in the past to recover dead systems.


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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Viktoras Didziulis
Andre, 
 
Lets hope it is not hard drive, but motherboard of your laptop, in this case
strange sounds may also come out from hard drive devices... There are
external cases for hard drives to be connected through USB. They come in
different sizes for laptop and desktop hard drives and prices vary (~30-70
Eur per device). Once my PC (well, not Mac, but there should be similar
things in Mac world too) crashed like yours, so I took the drive out,
connected to the external case and made backup of all the remaining contents
using another computer with USB connection. Although that drive had lots of
bad sectors too and PC did not boot from it or any other device, but, lucky
I was, it worked this way... Just an idea to try... 
 
Viktoras 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Andre Garzia 
Date: 1/16/2007 6:34:01 AM 
To: Improvements to Revolution 
Subject: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken. 
 
Friends, 
 
I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my 
macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... 
when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never 
booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am 
assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and 
everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't 
make it boot even from CDs... 
 
I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was 
doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now 
bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them 
all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous 
question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... 
never chimes. 
 
sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set 
everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but 
they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I 
was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now 
it appears, I'll need a new machine. 
 
My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy 
the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the 
macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code 
which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. 
 
andre 
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Error in textFont reporting?

2007-01-16 Thread Bob Warren
Sorry if this question has been asked before (I suspect it might have 
been), but a quick answer from somebody could be quicker than searching.


I have a single word (e.g. robert) in a field test.
The whole word is in the Courier font, but the middle 2 letters are of a 
size different to the others.


I am doing something like this in the field's coding:

on mouseMove
 if the selectedText is not empty then
   put the textFont of the selectedText into field result
 end if
end mouseMove

OR

on mouseMove 
 if the selectedChunk is not empty then

   put the textFont of the selectedChunk into field result
 end if
end mouseMove

If I select the whole word in field test, instead of courier in the 
field result I get mixed. But it is the SIZE that is mixed, NOT the 
font name!


I am using Rev 2.6.1.
Am I doing something silly, or is this a known error?
If it is a known error, is there a workaround?
Has it been fixed in Rev 2.7?

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Bob


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Re: Error in textFont reporting?

2007-01-16 Thread Mark Smith
A workaround (assuming that the textfont is never actually going to  
be mixed) might be to get the textFont of char 1 of the selectedText.


Best,

Mark

On 16 Jan 2007, at 14:34, Bob Warren wrote:


on mouseMove
 if the selectedText is not empty then
   put the textFont of the selectedText into field result
 end if
end mouseMove

OR

on mouseMove  if the selectedChunk is not empty then
   put the textFont of the selectedChunk into field result
 end if
end mouseMove

If I select the whole word in field test, instead of courier in  
the field result I get mixed. But it is the SIZE that is mixed,  
NOT the font name!


I am using Rev 2.6.1.
Am I doing something silly, or is this a known error?
If it is a known error, is there a workaround?
Has it been fixed in Rev 2.7?


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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread James Richards

Andre

This worked for my iBook too and is a cheap and easy diy solution if 
the actual drive and mechanism is OK.  If there is a problem with the 
drive itself, and *no other means of recovery is open to you* then you 
may have nothing to lose by disassembling (or getting someone else to 
disassemble) the HD itself and transferring its platters to another 
mechanism. This is a high risk last resort strategy for the point at 
which you are already regarding the data as lost. Google under 
'disassemble hard drive'.


Best of luck

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On 16 Jan, 2007, at 13:20, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:


Andre,

Lets hope it is not hard drive, but motherboard of your laptop, in 
this case

strange sounds may also come out from hard drive devices... There are
external cases for hard drives to be connected through USB. They come 
in
different sizes for laptop and desktop hard drives and prices vary 
(~30-70

Eur per device). Once my PC (well, not Mac, but there should be similar
things in Mac world too) crashed like yours, so I took the drive out,
connected to the external case and made backup of all the remaining 
contents
using another computer with USB connection. Although that drive had 
lots of
bad sectors too and PC did not boot from it or any other device, but, 
lucky

I was, it worked this way... Just an idea to try...

Viktoras

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Re: OT: lost everything, MacBook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Jim Carwardine
Andre... It does sound like a head crash, which would have destroyed a chunk
of your disk which you have to recover through heroic effort.  If the noise
was caused by something else, as it happened to me some time ago, I took the
hard drive out of my cooked computer, put into a USB external housing,
connected it to another computer and got my data back... Jim


on 1/16/07 2:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

 Andre,
 
 Very, very sorry to hear about your dire circumstances.  There are a few
 times when having to reprogram an app or two can be a good thing, but not
 the whole working environment.
 
 If you get back up and running, let me know.  It is so easy for me to set up
 an area on my web host for file storage for you (login and pswd protected).
 There would be no cost and 5 or 6 g would be just fine.
 
 You should have said something to someone in the group, since many of us
 have drive space available on the net somewhere.
 
 I don't know anything about drive recovery, but perhaps someone out here
 does.  Sometimes a college or university will have someone who can work
 magic, especially with all the computer labs in the world these days.  Even
 better, they might try to do it for very low cost.
 
 Good luck and let me know.
 
 Jim Ault
 Las Vegas
 
 
 On 1/15/07 8:33 PM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Friends,
 
 I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my
 macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead...
 when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never
 booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am
 assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and
 everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't
 make it boot even from CDs...
 
 I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was
 doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now
 bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them
 all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous
 question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM...
 never chimes.
 
 sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set
 everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but
 they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I
 was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now
 it appears, I'll need a new machine.
 
 My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy
 the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the
 macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code
 which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code.
 
 andre
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help with revZip

2007-01-16 Thread Chris Sheffield
I'm having a problem all of a sudden. I'm running Rev 2.7.4 on OS X  
10.4.8 and trying use the revZip functions/commands. Whenever I try  
to use the revZipOpenArchive command to open a zip file to work with,  
I'm getting a can't find handler message. I know this has worked in  
the past because I've used it. I can't figure out what's going on.  
It's like the revZip external is not loading. I'm just doing this in  
the IDE, so it should be available. Anyone have any ideas? I don't  
have to specifically set the externals to the revzip bundle do I? Not  
for working in the IDE?


Thanks,
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Re: help with revZip

2007-01-16 Thread Jim Ault
On 1/16/07 9:14 AM, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm having a problem all of a sudden. I'm running Rev 2.7.4 on OS X
 10.4.8 and trying use the revZip functions/commands. Whenever I try
 to use the revZipOpenArchive command to open a zip file to work with,
 I'm getting a can't find handler message. I know this has worked in
 the past because I've used it. I can't figure out what's going on.
 It's like the revZip external is not loading. I'm just doing this in
 the IDE, so it should be available. Anyone have any ideas? I don't
 have to specifically set the externals to the revzip bundle do I? Not
 for working in the IDE?

Usually this means that there is one or more lines in your handler that
don't make sense at run time (like 'emtpy'  instead of 'empty')  Try the
good old commenting-out if's and repeat's to see what works.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread SimPLsol
Andre,
The fact that the computer will not boot from other drives is a good thing. 
It indicates that the problem is probably on the board not the HD.
I trust you've tried removing the HD from the problem computer to see if it 
works in another.
If it IS the HD, then the less tinkering the better. One of my customers had 
massive problems with one of his HDs (he reformatted it!) and a company called 
Drive Savers managed to save almost everything on it.
On OLD drives the freezer trick sometimes works. You wrap up the drive so 
there is no moisture. Put it in the freezer. When chilled, you bring it out and 
hit it on the side with a rubber hammer. This solves a stiction problem 
where the drives are overparked or stuck to the disk - as I said, usually a 
problem with older drives. Obviously a last resort, all else failed, drive is 
considered lost anyway, situation.
For future reference:
Your data is too valuable to trust to a single computer. I've found 
SuperDuper (free trial) and an inexpensive Firewire HD to be priceless. You 
probably 
have more data than I do so it may take longer but, in my case, I can 
completely 
backup about 30 Gig in 50 minutes with a 2 1/2 Firewire 400 drive - other 
drives might be twice as fast.
Anyway, I'm sorry to hear of you misfortune and wish you the best. Please 
keep all of us informed. We are rooting for you!
Paul Looney
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Re: help with revZip

2007-01-16 Thread Chris Sheffield

Thanks for responding Jim, but all I'm doing is running

answer file select
revZipOpenArchive it

from the message box. Although I have also tried it from a button  
script as well. Neither works.


I am currently reinstalling Rev 2.7.4. I'm wondering if something go  
hosed there.


On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Jim Ault wrote:


On 1/16/07 9:14 AM, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm having a problem all of a sudden. I'm running Rev 2.7.4 on OS X
10.4.8 and trying use the revZip functions/commands. Whenever I try
to use the revZipOpenArchive command to open a zip file to work with,
I'm getting a can't find handler message. I know this has worked in
the past because I've used it. I can't figure out what's going on.
It's like the revZip external is not loading. I'm just doing this in
the IDE, so it should be available. Anyone have any ideas? I don't
have to specifically set the externals to the revzip bundle do I? Not
for working in the IDE?


Usually this means that there is one or more lines in your handler  
that
don't make sense at run time (like 'emtpy'  instead of 'empty')   
Try the

good old commenting-out if's and repeat's to see what works.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Error in textFont reporting?

2007-01-16 Thread Bob Warren

Mark Smith wrote:

A workaround (assuming that the textfont is never actually going to  

be mixed) might be to get the textFont of char 1 of the selectedText.

-
Thanks Mark.
But that's the problem. The selected text may or may not have mixed textFonts.

Regards,
Bob

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StackRunner and MySQL

2007-01-16 Thread Sieg Lindstrom
Thanks, Ken.

Your suggestion would certainly explain why the database calls sent by this
stack don't work on computers where Revolution is not installed, but my
computer includes the dbmysql.bundle file in the Database Drivers
folder, and the problem still occurs. Just to make sure I have files in the
right places, I have StackRunner in the folder that contains the 2.7.4
installation. The Database Drivers is nested in that same folder, and the
stack I'm trying to run is nested in a folder that's also in the main 2.7.4
installation folder. Should that work?

Many thanks for your help.

Sieg Lindstrom


Ken Ray wrote:

 Well, StackRunner 1.5 was built using the 2.7.2 engine (see the
 bottom of the page at http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/
 downloads/StackRunner.htm), so it's possible that the mySQL commands
 were changed between 2.7.2 and 2.7.4.
 
 However it's more likely that you don't have the mysQL database
 drivers in the right place... StackRunner has the revdb external in
 it so you can make database calls, but it is not bundled with all the
 database drivers. These drivers should be in the Database Drivers
 folder of your 2.7.4 installation and include something called
 dbmysql.bundle which you'll need to connect to in order to use
 mysQL from StackRunner.


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Re: help with revZip

2007-01-16 Thread Jim Ault
Sorry, cannot test, since I am only using 2.7.2 for the next several months

Jim


On 1/16/07 9:34 AM, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for responding Jim, but all I'm doing is running
 
 answer file select
 revZipOpenArchive it
 
 from the message box. Although I have also tried it from a button
 script as well. Neither works.
 
 I am currently reinstalling Rev 2.7.4. I'm wondering if something go
 hosed there.
 


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Re: help with revZip

2007-01-16 Thread Chris Sheffield

Jim,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I feel really stupid to even  
admit this, but it turns out I was failing to provide the second  
parameter to the command, which is the mode the file should be opened  
in: read, write, or update. I'm having a brain dead day. What can I  
say? Although it would be nice if the execution error messages were a  
little more specific in this case.


Thanks again,
Chris


On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

Sorry, cannot test, since I am only using 2.7.2 for the next  
several months


Jim


On 1/16/07 9:34 AM, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for responding Jim, but all I'm doing is running

answer file select
revZipOpenArchive it

from the message box. Although I have also tried it from a button
script as well. Neither works.

I am currently reinstalling Rev 2.7.4. I'm wondering if something go
hosed there.




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'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Phil Davis
I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external digital audio 
files during a single usage session. Currently the app uses 'start player' 
method of playing them. Sometimes the app will freeze up, and I think it's 
related to audio processing.


I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play [filepath]' 
form to be more stable or less stable than 'start player'?


Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to audio playing that 
shed light on differences between the two? Are they doing the exact same thing 
under the hood?


Many thanks -
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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Todd Higgins

Andre,

Do not have you macbook shipped out to Apple for repair before you  
recover your data.  Apple will typically reformat (or even replace) a  
hard drive even when it is in for unrelated repairs.


 It is possible that the hard drive has failed and is keeping the  
system from booting from the other drives.  As others have suggested,  
disconnect the drive from the machine and try to boot from another  
device. But before you do that, have you tried Firewire target disk  
mode? (Try to start the machine with the T key held down)?


What was your backup machine and what's broken?  I might have the  
spare part you need.


Good Luck,

Todd


On Jan 15, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Friends,

I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my  
macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was  
dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and  
it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive.  
I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last  
year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken...  
but I can't make it boot even from CDs...


I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I  
was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now  
bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried  
them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous  
question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM...  
never chimes.


sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set  
everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but  
they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I  
was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now  
it appears, I'll need a new machine.


My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy  
the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the  
macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code  
which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code.


andre
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Re: OT: SSH on OS X

2007-01-16 Thread Josh Mellicker
FWIW, I consider this very on topic since, if a Rev coder could  
enable VNC screen sharing/control with a client or other coder on the  
team, this could make certain remote workflows flow much more smoothly!


Has anyone VNCed between two remote firewalled locations using port  
forwarding or hamachi?




On Jan 15, 2007, at 5:58 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:


Hello,

Before finishing this thread, it is important to note that this  
technique applies to any service that you are trying to serve to  
the internet (www, ftp, ssh, my-favorite-internet-game) etc.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Josh Mellicker
I was having some trouble with start player that went away when I  
changed to set the rate of player 1 to 1


I think the trouble was that it wasn't starting however :-)



On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external  
digital audio files during a single usage session. Currently the  
app uses 'start player' method of playing them. Sometimes the app  
will freeze up, and I think it's related to audio processing.


I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play  
[filepath]' form to be more stable or less stable than 'start player'?


Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to audio  
playing that shed light on differences between the two? Are they  
doing the exact same thing under the hood?


Many thanks -
Phil Davis
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Re: StackRunner and MySQL

2007-01-16 Thread Ken Ray


On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Sieg Lindstrom wrote:


Thanks, Ken.

Your suggestion would certainly explain why the database calls sent  
by this
stack don't work on computers where Revolution is not installed,  
but my

computer includes the dbmysql.bundle file in the Database Drivers
folder, and the problem still occurs. Just to make sure I have  
files in the

right places, I have StackRunner in the folder that contains the 2.7.4
installation. The Database Drivers is nested in that same folder,  
and the
stack I'm trying to run is nested in a folder that's also in the  
main 2.7.4

installation folder. Should that work?


Have you executed revSetDatabaseDriverPath in your stack that opens  
before it starts making calls to the database? I believe this is done  
automatically by Rev when you launch it, but StackRunner doesn't do  
this, so your stack will need to do it before you start calling on  
the database...



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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Stephen Barncard

Andre, here's another tip I ran across:

The Unix program dd is a disk copying util that you can use at the 
command line in order to make a disk image. It makes a bit-by-bit 
copy of the drive it's copying, caring nothing about filesystem type, 
files, or anything else. It's a great way to workaround the need for 
Norton Ghost.



http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050302225659382


also when you get the drive hooked up to another machine use Data 
Rescue II FIRST to gather as much stuff from your drive as possible, 
even with a crashed TOC


http://www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue.php

this does the magic that Norton used to do years ago. It worked for me.
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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Well, got my car back a little earlier than expected. The neoprene  
samples have not arrived yet, so I called. We can pick them up on our  
way to LB. It won't be much out of the way. RubberCal's  
(RubberCal.com) facility is located at 2920 Kilson Drive, Santa Ana,  
CA; phone number: 800-370-9152


Are we still planning to see the structural engineer tomorrow?

On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external  
digital audio files during a single usage session. Currently the  
app uses 'start player' method of playing them. Sometimes the app  
will freeze up, and I think it's related to audio processing.


I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play  
[filepath]' form to be more stable or less stable than 'start player'?


Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to audio  
playing that shed light on differences between the two? Are they  
doing the exact same thing under the hood?


Many thanks -
Phil Davis
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Re: OT: lost everything, MacBook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Jim Carwardine
I also looked up and got Superduper
http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html as
suggested in this thread, I forget who.  It looks good - very simple - and
the purchased version is only $29.


on 1/16/07 4:48 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

 Andre, here's another tip I ran across:
 
 The Unix program dd is a disk copying util that you can use at the
 command line in order to make a disk image. It makes a bit-by-bit
 copy of the drive it's copying, caring nothing about filesystem type,
 files, or anything else. It's a great way to workaround the need for
 Norton Ghost.
 
 
 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050302225659382
 
 
 also when you get the drive hooked up to another machine use Data
 Rescue II FIRST to gather as much stuff from your drive as possible,
 even with a crashed TOC
 
 http://www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue.php
 
 this does the magic that Norton used to do years ago. It worked for me.

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Re: OT: SSH on OS X

2007-01-16 Thread Brent Anderson

Hello,

Using either Hamachi or a VPN should be all you need to connect any  
group of computers across the internet for any service, including VNC.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
CMSEC
On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

FWIW, I consider this very on topic since, if a Rev coder could  
enable VNC screen sharing/control with a client or other coder on  
the team, this could make certain remote workflows flow much more  
smoothly!


Has anyone VNCed between two remote firewalled locations using port  
forwarding or hamachi?




On Jan 15, 2007, at 5:58 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:


Hello,

Before finishing this thread, it is important to note that this  
technique applies to any service that you are trying to serve to  
the internet (www, ftp, ssh, my-favorite-internet-game) etc.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
CMSEC
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Re: OT: SSH on OS X

2007-01-16 Thread J. Landman Gay

Brent Anderson wrote:

Hello,

Using either Hamachi or a VPN should be all you need to connect any 
group of computers across the internet for any service, including VNC.


I was just looking at Hamachi but it is pretty much Windows-only. They 
say you can compile it for Linux and OS X but that's beyond me.


Meanwhile, I am finding that I can ssh over the local network only to 
one machine. Attempts to connect to any other local machine are denied 
(they all have port 22 open on their firewalls.) I thought that if I was 
using local IPs (for example, ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]) that the router 
would allow traffic to pass anywhere inside the LAN. But it isn't 
working that way. I can ssh only to the computer that is receiving the 
port forward from the router. Is that correct behavior? Is it supposed 
to forward all traffic on port 22 from both the LAN and the WAN?


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Re: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread Bill Marriott
Andre,

People have given some excellent advice here. I just want to underscore some 
of the items and give you a couple additional ones:

1) The weird noise may not be a physical failure of the hard disk. A bad 
controller or motherboard can instruct the hard disk to do unnatural things. 
You also mentioned something about the motherboard being replaced. The very 
cheapest thing to do is to yank that hard drive out of the Mac and put it 
into a USB/Firewire housing. They cost as low as $14 mail order and no more 
than $45 for the top-of-the-line models. There are two advantages to getting 
a housing:

- You can try to boot from the drive using a borrowed Mac.
- You can attach it to a working Mac (or even PC) to have someone try to get 
the data off it.

I wouldn't let that MacBook talk to that hard disk anymore. Yank the HD out 
(well, carefully) and try getting it to mount on a known-good computer.

2) As someone mentioned before, don't let Apple get their hands on the 
drive. Like all manufacturers, they are a component-swap shop, not a hard 
drive recovery service. Sending it to Apple is one way to make sure you data 
goes bye-bye.

3) I'm sure just about anyone here would be willing to help you try to get 
your data back; let me add my name to the list.

4) I'm not sure how big your disk is, but an 80GB 3.5-in drive is about $45 
and the external USB/Firewire housing for them is about another $20. (Check 
newegg.com out.) For $65 you get a pretty amazing external backup solution. 
Usually plenty of space for your data (you don't need to back up system 
software and applications that come on CD). You don't need one of those 
fancy pre-built external things; it's super easy to build your own.

5) Dreamhost may not be the ideal ISP but the reason I kept them is they 
give me 400GB of storage and 4TB of transfer, which increases weekly by 
2GB/32GB, for $20/month (or much less if you prepay). They don't mind if you 
back up your drive to their servers, in fact they have a knowledgebase 
article on how to do it. What a huge peace of mind to have your files on a 
server that is offsite, redundant drives, air conditioned, UPS backed up, 
accessible from anywhere in the world, etc. (And they have improved their 
throughput and reliability a LOT since the summer.)


Good luck!



Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Friends,

 I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my  macbook 
 just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead...  when tried 
 to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never  booted again. The 
 noises are comming from the hard drive. I am  assuming I lost everything. 
 all my source code for the last year and  everything I was working. I 
 don't know what is broken... but I can't  make it boot even from CDs...

 I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was 
 doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now  bricked. 
 Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them  all. The 
 screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous  question mark of 
 no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM...  never chimes.

 sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set  everything 
 up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but  they are making a 
 fool of me for more than three months already. I  was waiting for a 
 replacement main board for this same machine. Now  it appears, I'll need a 
 new machine.

 My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy  the 
 parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the  macbooks 
 backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code  which was maybe 
 5 or 6 gb worth of code.

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Re: Dr. Strangelove (or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and LoveXML)

2007-01-16 Thread Bill Marriott
The problem with XML is that people can do any old thing they want with it. 
While the RULES are ridiculously strict, the implementations can drive you 
nuts. For example, look at the cookies.plist file on a Mac. It has a really 
wacky setup that I think makes it all but impossible to parse with the 
RevXML library without walking through it. Its something like:

person
  attributes
fieldName/field
valueBill/value
fieldEyeColor/field
valueBlue/value
  /attributes
/person

Whereas the Rev library seems to make it easier to do something like:

person name=Bill eyecolor=blue /

To be honest, I usually poke around in Sarah's stack and then figure out 
which function(s) I need through trial and error. It's just harder for me to 
visualize what I want to accomplish with XML.

I can say that once you figure out what two or three commands you need to 
use to parse an XML file, it's way faster than using chunk expressions or 
some other method.

- Bill


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I reckon people get put off by the long revXML function names and all
 the parameters. But if you are fortunate enough to have Galaxy, it
 makes things easier - you type the first few characters then use the
 autocomplete function!
 Before long you will find loops such as the following to be second nature:

 put revXMLrootnode(tID) into tnode
 put revXMLfirstchild(tID,tnode) into paramNode
 repeat
get revXMLAttribute(tID,paramNode,name)
if not (it contains xmlerr) then
   put it into tname
   put tname  comma after tparamlist
end if
 put revXMLNextSibling(tID,paramNode) into paramNode
 if paramNode is empty then exit repeat
 end repeat
 delete char -1 of tparamlist

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Re: OT: SSH on OS X

2007-01-16 Thread Brent Anderson

Hello.

I'd assume that it would only port forward on incoming WAN traffic  
since the router is performing network address translation. The  
forwarding lets the router know where incoming traffic should go  
since you could have hundreds of computers behind the same router.  
What kind of denial messages are you getting, as that could hint at  
what is causing the problem.


Also, Hamachi's GUI is Windows only IF you go through just Hamachi.  
There is a graphical client called HamachiX (http://hamachix.com)  
that does lack some of the functionality of the Windows version since  
it is not officially supported by the Hamachi team (Chatting, pings  
from in application, premium accounts, magic ports) but does just  
as well and even lets you set up quick-connect options for FTP, AFP,  
SFTP, and other services. HamachiX is nice if you want the GUI, but  
the command line version (Which, I believe, is installed by HamachiX)  
is very functional and is sometimes preferable to the GUI if you're  
trying to troubleshoot your Hamachi connection. Type hamachi -h  
from the command line for usage information once it's installed on  
your system. If you're just looking for the command line, the source  
compilation instructions are rather lightweight and can be found in  
the included README file. It doesn't tell you that to do something as  
root you prepend the command with the command sudo  and enter your  
administrator password.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
CMSEC


On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Brent Anderson wrote:

Hello,
Using either Hamachi or a VPN should be all you need to connect  
any group of computers across the internet for any service,  
including VNC.


I was just looking at Hamachi but it is pretty much Windows-only.  
They say you can compile it for Linux and OS X but that's beyond me.


Meanwhile, I am finding that I can ssh over the local network only  
to one machine. Attempts to connect to any other local machine are  
denied (they all have port 22 open on their firewalls.) I thought  
that if I was using local IPs (for example, ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED])  
that the router would allow traffic to pass anywhere inside the  
LAN. But it isn't working that way. I can ssh only to the computer  
that is receiving the port forward from the router. Is that correct  
behavior? Is it supposed to forward all traffic on port 22 from  
both the LAN and the WAN?


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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Phil Davis
U... thanks Joe!  But I was really hoping I wouldn't need neoprene OR a 
structural engineer to improve audio processing in my app.  :o)  But I must 
confess, I never really thought about it that way.


LOL,
Phil

Let it never be said that you don't get real inside info on this list!


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
Well, got my car back a little earlier than expected. The neoprene 
samples have not arrived yet, so I called. We can pick them up on our 
way to LB. It won't be much out of the way. RubberCal's (RubberCal.com) 
facility is located at 2920 Kilson Drive, Santa Ana, CA; phone number: 
800-370-9152


Are we still planning to see the structural engineer tomorrow?

On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external 
digital audio files during a single usage session. Currently the app 
uses 'start player' method of playing them. Sometimes the app will 
freeze up, and I think it's related to audio processing.


I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play 
[filepath]' form to be more stable or less stable than 'start player'?


Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to audio 
playing that shed light on differences between the two? Are they doing 
the exact same thing under the hood?


Many thanks -
Phil Davis

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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Phil and all the list,

My face is S red! Obviously, my email was intended for someone  
else - not this list. I was kind of hoping everyone would just ignore  
it, but no such luck. Thanks for treating me kindly. I'll try to do  
better in the future.


Joe Wilkins

On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

U... thanks Joe!  But I was really hoping I wouldn't need  
neoprene OR a structural engineer to improve audio processing in my  
app.  :o)  But I must confess, I never really thought about it that  
way.


LOL,
Phil

Let it never be said that you don't get real inside info on this list!


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
Well, got my car back a little earlier than expected. The neoprene  
samples have not arrived yet, so I called. We can pick them up on  
our way to LB. It won't be much out of the way. RubberCal's  
(RubberCal.com) facility is located at 2920 Kilson Drive, Santa  
Ana, CA; phone number: 800-370-9152

Are we still planning to see the structural engineer tomorrow?
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external  
digital audio files during a single usage session. Currently the  
app uses 'start player' method of playing them. Sometimes the app  
will freeze up, and I think it's related to audio processing.


I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play  
[filepath]' form to be more stable or less stable than 'start  
player'?


Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to  
audio playing that shed light on differences between the two? Are  
they doing the exact same thing under the hood?


Many thanks -
Phil Davis

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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Jim Ault
Yep, this is another example of incomplete documentation in Rev... I
immediately searched for   'neoprene'   'structural engineer'  and found
nothing, zip, nada.  Hard to imagine that the Rev team did not anticipate
such topics on the user list :-)

Maybe in the next release?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
... obviously avoiding work that needs to be done :-)

On 1/16/07 3:07 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Phil and all the list,
 
 My face is S red! Obviously, my email was intended for someone
 else - not this list. I was kind of hoping everyone would just ignore
 it, but no such luck. Thanks for treating me kindly. I'll try to do
 better in the future.
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
 
 U... thanks Joe!  But I was really hoping I wouldn't need
 neoprene OR a structural engineer to improve audio processing in my
 app.  :o)  But I must confess, I never really thought about it that
 way.
 
 LOL,
 Phil
 Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
 Well, got my car back a little earlier than expected. The neoprene
 samples have not arrived yet, so I called. We can pick them up on
 our way to LB. It won't be much out of the way. RubberCal's
 (RubberCal.com) facility is located at 2920 Kilson Drive, Santa
 Ana, CA; phone number: 800-370-9152
 Are we still planning to see the structural engineer tomorrow?
 On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
 I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external
 digital audio files during a single usage session. Currently the
 app uses 'start player' method of playing them. Sometimes the app
 will freeze up, and I think it's related to audio processing.
 
 I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play
 [filepath]' form to be more stable or less stable than 'start
 player'?
 
 Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to
 audio playing that shed light on differences between the two? Are
 they doing the exact same thing under the hood?


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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Mark Smith
I believe these are currently in beta. 'Neoprene' is a property that  
can be set in particularly loud stacks, and will help to insulate  
adjacent stacks from interference.


'Structural Engineer' is a smart scripting agent (think Microsoft  
Bob) that will help us to avoid programming errors such as infinite  
loops, and will suggest useful re-factorings etc.


The future's bright!

:)
Mark
On 17 Jan 2007, at 00:49, Jim Ault wrote:


Yep, this is another example of incomplete documentation in Rev... I
immediately searched for   'neoprene'   'structural engineer'  and  
found
nothing, zip, nada.  Hard to imagine that the Rev team did not  
anticipate

such topics on the user list :-)

Maybe in the next release?


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Re: OT: SSH on OS X

2007-01-16 Thread J. Landman Gay

Brent Anderson wrote:

Hello.

I'd assume that it would only port forward on incoming WAN traffic since 
the router is performing network address translation. The forwarding 
lets the router know where incoming traffic should go since you could 
have hundreds of computers behind the same router. What kind of denial 
messages are you getting, as that could hint at what is causing the 
problem.


It said:
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.6 port 22: Connection refused

Not much to go on. But then I tried it about an hour later and it 
worked. So I must have changed something, but I'm not sure what. It does 
help to know that internal IP addresses aren't affected by the router 
settings, so I could ignore that piece.


Also, Hamachi's GUI is Windows only IF you go through just Hamachi. 
There is a graphical client called HamachiX (http://hamachix.com) that 
does lack some of the functionality of the Windows version since it is 
not officially supported by the Hamachi team (Chatting, pings from in 
application, premium accounts, magic ports) but does just as well and 
even lets you set up quick-connect options for FTP, AFP, SFTP, and other 
services. HamachiX is nice if you want the GUI, but the command line 
version (Which, I believe, is installed by HamachiX) is very functional 
and is sometimes preferable to the GUI if you're trying to troubleshoot 
your Hamachi connection. Type hamachi -h from the command line for 
usage information once it's installed on your system. If you're just 
looking for the command line, the source compilation instructions are 
rather lightweight and can be found in the included README file. It 
doesn't tell you that to do something as root you prepend the command 
with the command sudo  and enter your administrator password.


I'll bookmark this. They say that it doesn't work yet with Intel Macs, 
which is what I'd want to use, but they are working on it. I can put it 
on my Powerbook though. As for compiling -- lightweight or no -- you 
have to remember you are talking to a command line idiot here. (But I do 
know about five words in Unix now. ;))


My eventual goal is to get VNC working via ssh, so I can help my mother 
with her computer. For anyone who is following my stumbling around, I'm 
trying to implement this trick:


http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050429153115383

I need to use reverse port mapping because my mom is behind a firewall 
that neither of us can control. I think I'm about 2/3 of the way there 
now. I made the self-running Terminal file and it seems to work (except 
for the warning I get once in a while that checking getaddrinfo failed 
and that I am a possible breakin attempt.)


Thanks for being willing to help while I muddle through this.

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Re: OT: SSH on OS X

2007-01-16 Thread Brent Anderson

Hello.

They say that it doesn't work yet with Intel Macs, which is what  
I'd want to use, but they are working on it.


Taken from the ReadMe for HamachiX

Intel macs are not working very well to date since not all of the  
underlying components are in universal binary format already.


This is interesting, as Hamachi is marked as Universal on Hamachi.cc  
and I haven't had any troubles with it (Apart from dealing with  
getting my firewall configured appropriately). I'm going to test out  
Hamachi under parallels and see if it really is zero-configuration or  
if it does need a few firewall tweaks.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
CMSEC
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Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.

2007-01-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andre,

Ouch!!!

As a Macintosh Repair guy, what you're telling me isn't sounding good.
Don't mess with your drive anymore as you could cause yet even more
damage to the platters.

You really don't want to be messing with drive platters yourself.
Send it into a professional with a Clean Room like
Drive Saver's.  They also have very professional disk tools etc.

http://www.drivesavers.com/

It can be pricey, but then so is all of that time that you have
invested in all of the software that you have developed.
Which is irreplaceable. 

If you send your unit into Apple, Inc. they probably will not
try at all to recover your data, but you will get a replacement
MacBook since it is probably still under warranty.

Good Luck!

Rick Harrison




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http://mail2web.com/ .


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Re: Dr. Strangelove (or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love XML)

2007-01-16 Thread Derek Bump

Bill Marriott wrote:
I can say that once you figure out what two or three commands you need to 
use to parse an XML file, it's way faster than using chunk expressions or 
some other method.


This is really what I ended up doing.  I created my own ripText 
function which pulls the data I need, via offsets, provided it follows 
the XML format's rules.  If it doesn't, I throw an error.  And since 
it's standardized (it's the OpenSearch format), any errors generated are 
the result of the XML author and not my program.


I tried Sarah's stack and was amazed as to how nicely it parses the XML, 
but I found that incorporating all of the RevXML commands into what 
should be a simple function was all too complicated (not Sarah's stack, 
but RevXML itself).


There's a learning curve, and you're right, XML can get quite 
complicated depending on who's writing it.  I mean look at RSS... 
depending on the version: you could be there for hours. ;)


Thanks to everyone that helped me out.  I really appreciate it!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
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Re: 'play' vs. 'start' ?

2007-01-16 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hey Jim,

Since you're in Las Vegas, if you have the opportunity to stop by  
booth #N-3176 at the World of Concrete Conference all next week, I'll  
be there and be happy to meet you, or any of the other listers who  
are around. Won't be much about Rev (yet), but I am writing an  
application in Rev that will do our shop drawings - only just begun  
as the song goes!


BTW, the Prelude to my Rev column on Macinstruct.com will be up on  
this Wednesday, or so I've been told.


Thanks for the good humored taunting,

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 16, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Jim Ault wrote:


Yep, this is another example of incomplete documentation in Rev... I
immediately searched for   'neoprene'   'structural engineer'  and  
found
nothing, zip, nada.  Hard to imagine that the Rev team did not  
anticipate

such topics on the user list :-)

Maybe in the next release?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
... obviously avoiding work that needs to be done :-)

On 1/16/07 3:07 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Phil and all the list,

My face is S red! Obviously, my email was intended for someone
else - not this list. I was kind of hoping everyone would just ignore
it, but no such luck. Thanks for treating me kindly. I'll try to do
better in the future.

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Phil Davis wrote:


U... thanks Joe!  But I was really hoping I wouldn't need
neoprene OR a structural engineer to improve audio processing in my
app.  :o)  But I must confess, I never really thought about it that
way.

LOL,
Phil
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Well, got my car back a little earlier than expected. The neoprene
samples have not arrived yet, so I called. We can pick them up on
our way to LB. It won't be much out of the way. RubberCal's
(RubberCal.com) facility is located at 2920 Kilson Drive, Santa
Ana, CA; phone number: 800-370-9152
Are we still planning to see the structural engineer tomorrow?
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

I maintain an application that sometimes plays 100's of external
digital audio files during a single usage session. Currently the
app uses 'start player' method of playing them. Sometimes the app
will freeze up, and I think it's related to audio processing.

I want to improve the app's stability. Has anyone found the 'play
[filepath]' form to be more stable or less stable than 'start
player'?

Also, does anyone have extra info about the two approaches to
audio playing that shed light on differences between the two? Are
they doing the exact same thing under the hood?



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Re: Ed-Media/AACE CFP

2007-01-16 Thread Judy Perry
Okay.

I guess I'll throw something together and send it up the proverbial
flagpole to see who, if anyone, salutes.

I'll let you know...

Judy

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, David Bovill wrote:

 Possibly Judy - we are looking to do some presentations with Internet 2, Re
 software and some EU and US universities... so keep us in touch?
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Re: Error in textFont reporting?

2007-01-16 Thread Bob Warren

Mark (Smith):

You didn't solve my problem, but you gave me the inspiration to solve it!
Roughly, what I did was to copy the selected (rich) text to a new temp 
field using HTMLtext, and then I examined temp char by char to see 
what the textFont was. If each char reported the same font name, then 
the whole selection was declared to be of the same font name (in spite 
of differing sizes).


Thanks again!

By the way, does anyone know whether this has been fixed in Rev 2.7?
Or is it supposedly a feature and not a bug?
A reminder of the original problem is below.

Regards,
Bob

-

I have a single word (e.g. robert) in a field test.
The whole word is in the Courier font, but the middle 2 letters are of a 
size different to the others.


I am doing something like this in the field's coding:

on mouseMove
if the selectedText is not empty then
  put the textFont of the selectedText into field result
end if
end mouseMove


If I select the whole word in field test, instead of courier in the 
field result I get mixed. But it is the SIZE that is mixed, NOT the 
font name!


I am using Rev 2.6.1.
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Common writable folders

2007-01-16 Thread Richard Gaskin
I have an app which will be for Mac and Win, and maybe Linux down the 
road, in which I need to store some data in a folder which needs to be 
writable by all users.


Both Mac and Win provide common folders for reading data:

  Mac  /HD/System Folder/Application Support
  Win  C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data

...but in my testing here only users with admin privileges can write to 
those folders. :(


What is the OS-recommended place to store common data which can be 
written by any user?


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