Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Hi Chipp, Chipp Walters-2 wrote: I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with your brain. Have you not bothered listening to anything that has been said here or on the web? [snip] Actually, the jokes on me. You are clearly a troll. Not interested in any sort of logical discourse, only in stirring the pot. [snip] After reading Randall answers, i have concluded that many of you have been talking to one of his artificial inteligence experiments. Maybe an email bot that he programmed. There are certain patterns in his answers that result familiar. Where i have seen these kind of answers??? Then i remember, Chat bots developers use similar language patterns to program their answers. I saw these patterns, time ago, while porting a HyperCard stack to this platform: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/spectresmart.zip Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2165001.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Deflection of discussion. What scares runrev people about exporting platform independent source code? I certainly hit a nerve. -Original Message- From: Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:37 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone Hi Chipp, Chipp Walters-2 wrote: I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with your brain. Have you not bothered listening to anything that has been said here or on the web? [snip] Actually, the jokes on me. You are clearly a troll. Not interested in any sort of logical discourse, only in stirring the pot. [snip] After reading Randall answers, i have concluded that many of you have been talking to one of his artificial inteligence experiments. Maybe an email bot that he programmed. There are certain patterns in his answers that result familiar. Where i have seen these kind of answers??? Then i remember, Chat bots developers use similar language patterns to program their answers. I saw these patterns, time ago, while porting a HyperCard stack to this platform: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/spectresmart.zip Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2165001.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: single bit contact closure input [macintosh]
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: yes, very nice stuff. A Revolution External is mentioned. A little late to the thread but I think this might be a cheaper option - 8/8/8: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0 Someones written an AppleScript OSAX to go with it, which might suit your needs, if you were the one that wrote the original AS: http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=1t=2536 A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to the M key on an old keyboard. Still, as you say, a lot of extra there for just a single bit. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code the off button. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Three Years of Rev (was RE: Check out Jerry's new videos)
Well said, Chipp :-) TRUE AT 1000%. NEEDED TO GO HEAD IN THE BEST CROSS-PLATFORM B2B NEW PRACTICES WE CAN HANDLE AS INDEPENDANTS TO SMALL TOP COMPETITIVE CORP. Best, Pierre Le 9 mai 2010 à 06:03, Chipp Walters a écrit : I'd try and shore up the Apache Module, and sell it for a decent fee-- especially if there's a work flow aspect to it with good documentation. That is where one could raise some money quickly-- IMO. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
On 05/10/2010 at 04:31 AM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote: On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code the off button. The entity will hopefully move on to another area of the internet if we all ignore it. Only speak of it rather than to it (drives these things crazy). This whole AI spin reminds me of the very old movie Demon Seed. Let's hope it doesn't go that far. ;-) ~Roger Eller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
On May 10, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Deflection of discussion. That's a relative of straw man attack, isn't it? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
True. Even if I programmed everything in Xcode, exactly as Apple wanted, but reused my own C libraries I created in Xcode, they could ban my apps due to the repeated code (fingerprint). They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. Cheers, Josh On May 9, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Brian Yennie bri...@qldlearning.com wrote: Josh, Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? Strange choice as for me. Main engine should go to C, Some parts of REV project also to C And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple- specified tools. Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work?
But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and because of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs or allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser. Bob On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote: On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows media. quicktime is small potatoes. Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is then shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
YES ! That is that we call in French un procès d'intention !! Le 10 mai 2010 à 17:52, Josh Mellicker a écrit : True. Even if I programmed everything in Xcode, exactly as Apple wanted, but reused my own C libraries I created in Xcode, they could ban my apps due to the repeated code (fingerprint). They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. Cheers, Josh On May 9, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Brian Yennie bri...@qldlearning.com wrote: Josh, Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? Strange choice as for me. Main engine should go to C, Some parts of REV project also to C And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work?
if it is a youtube video, then it plays fine... On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and because of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs or allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser. Bob On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote: On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows media. quicktime is small potatoes. Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is then shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
As Jerry's points out and acts : life is more about doing and seeing rather than trying to predict the future, ins't it? So.. Yes indeed... They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. The question is : will they do it? Why? and.. to what extend??? -- clearly they launched a war with Flash.. until when? until flash cures the mutlitasking issue? -- they might let Infinity around... -- and maybe others? (still hope for something like Runrev.. ) -- what interest would they have in spotting that you rueused 3 times the same librairie in your apps??? So.. in front of a terrorizing dragon-steve with his apple sword, i would advocate the trial error and adaptation process... dragons are sometimes nicer than they look first hand! So far nobody knows.. let's assume that! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2170796.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Resources for Data Base Design
Seems like you need a column for each of your subsets, series, book, sections, chapters. Then index on all 5 columns, or have all 5 values concatenated into a single column and index on that. Not sure what kind of index you could use for the text though. I've always wondered about that. How do you index on a column that can contain many words, like a hypertext index? I don't know enough about SQL to say if you can aggregate all the results, say all the verses in a chapter using purely SQL queries. Obviously you could with an executable like Runrev or OnRev. Perhaps I don't understand the problem you are describing though. Bob On May 8, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Any ideas of where to go looking for mangos? Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Object is not an image when Crop command
Hi List, I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. tObject is a graphic selected by the user. img picture is a image loaded by the user from disk The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I get Error: object is not an image?? The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle or a box.. The code: put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject crop img picture to rect tObject Any idea? :) Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2171784.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Connect the dots...
These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could never have hoped for prior to the iPhone. What Nintendo should do is make scaled down versions of some of it's older more popular games for the iPhone as a teaser to get people interested in the real things. If Nintendo really does see Apple as The Enemy, then they are fools. Anyone who happens to produce a competitive product is then an enemy and I don't think that is a good way to think in the corporate world. Bob On May 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi all, Please, read this recent news: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/07/apple-is-now-nintendos-biggest-problem/ Now, refresh your memory with Sony's president presentation in MacWorld 2005: http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=47id=1380pg=2 http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/11/live-from-macworld-2005-steve-jobs-keynote/ Back then, Steve Jobs said: you know we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras and these new camcorders, which is really great. And who knows someday computers and music too. After reading these new and old articles, i have a question: How many months will pass before Sony or Nintendo publish many of their games for iPhone, iPad or Android? ;-) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Connect-the-dots-tp2164815p2164815.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Resources for Data Base Design
As far as grainy text is concerned, I mean text made of text and so on... we're back to hierarchical databases, the modern version being XML databases. The big advantage is that you can design a very simple dbase in term of schema. Then you can pour into it complicated structures (sgml, XML..) that you can retreive in whole or partially at will. It does require more processing power of course, but we have it now! You can find some source in editorial databases as this kind of things were really digged at the birth of sgml 20 years ago. It can be very simple. I've got a model working fine as the database of highly structured books in an editorial process application, that deals with extracting any part of a book and outputing in different formats. Feel free to drop an email. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Resources-for-Data-Base-Design-tp2144237p2171813.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos
that suxs i just wrote an all lower case no punctuation app for the iphonelll bob On May 8, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: On May 8, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: BYTE CODE IS SLOW IN COMPARISON. INTERPRETED EVEN MORE SO. (SORRY ABOUT THE UPPERCASE... MY PHONE IS STUCK). CUPERTINO, CA. Today, Apple Inc announced that it will no longer accept input of lowercase letters on its mobile devices. CEO Steve Jobs has written a public statement (all caps) stating the reasoning behind Apple's recent character removal was to lessen energy demands Apple's iPhone OS. Developers are furious and fear that punctuation may be targeted next. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
On May 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, JosepM wrote: Hi List, I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. tObject is a graphic selected by the user. img picture is a image loaded by the user from disk The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I get Error: object is not an image?? The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle or a box.. The code: put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject crop img picture to rect tObject Any idea? :) Josep, Are your images referenced to outside image data? The Rev Dictionary says this: The crop command cannot be used on a referenced image. Doing so will cause an execution error. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port
David Bovill wrote: On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code the off button. Did you really, or was this an amusing comeback only? I would love to see a Rev port of ALICE. Did anyone actually do that? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. The point is why try and go around this process by creating a Rev to C tool, when it's likely they can identify the resulting binaries? It's still against their terms. I would think it unwise for RR to invest significantly more development dollars to try and skirt around the rules. Obviously Adobe felt the same way. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Josh Mellicker j...@dvcreators.net wrote: True. Even if I programmed everything in Xcode, exactly as Apple wanted, but reused my own C libraries I created in Xcode, they could ban my apps due to the repeated code (fingerprint). They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. Cheers, Josh On May 9, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Brian Yennie bri...@qldlearning.com wrote: Josh, Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? Strange choice as for me. Main engine should go to C, Some parts of REV project also to C And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
Hi Devin, Yes, I read the dictionary, but the image is loaded from disk not referenced. What is a image not referenced? Salut, Josep M El 10/05/2010, a las 18:51, Devin Asay [via Runtime Revolution] ml-node+2172400-329687279-23...@n4.nabble.com escribió: On May 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, JosepM wrote: Hi List, I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. tObject is a graphic selected by the user. img picture is a image loaded by the user from disk The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I get Error: object is not an image?? The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle or a box.. The code: put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject crop img picture to rect tObject Any idea? :) Josep, Are your images referenced to outside image data? The Rev Dictionary says this: The crop command cannot be used on a referenced image. Doing so will cause an execution error. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172400.html To unsubscribe from Object is not an image when Crop command, click here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172408.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Really?? That is what Apple wants? Honestly people. You don't have to sell products in France. But if you do, you will have to abide by their rules. It's no good arguing that France is the only place your widgets sell, or that creating a market in Germany is too hard. Rulz is rulz. If you don't like it, don't develop for the iPhone/iPad. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
!!?? Le 10 mai 2010 à 18:59, Bob Sneidar a écrit : Really?? That is what Apple wants? Honestly people. You don't have to sell products in France. But if you do, you will have to abide by their rules. It's no good arguing that France is the only place your widgets sell, or that creating a market in Germany is too hard. Rulz is rulz. If you don't like it, don't develop for the iPhone/iPad. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Really?? That is what Apple wants? On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Connect the dots...
On 10 May 2010 17:25, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could never have hoped for prior to the iPhone. Have to disagree there Bob: 1. Games are the number one surprise hit on the iPhone 2. The third most significant addition in iOS4 is the Game Centrehttp://developer.apple.com/technologies/iphone/whats-new.html#gamecenter- http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-apple-announces-game-center-a-social-gaming-netw/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
All the arguments in the article are that I regret about the weakness of RunRev to treat the Macintosh interface. For me it's a very big handicap. I never understood the principle of cross-platform (except of course for some developers to amortize their work). But, and I've said here, is a race to the bottom ... Sorry for Windows (or Linux) afficionados... René Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:14, Chipp Walters a écrit : Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port
Yes I did - but this was a very very long time ago - back when i was using MetaCard (some time last century - so I can't vouch for the code quality). I was interested at the time in using it for customer service and game applications... and in the end I figured it was better to simply run an Alice server and call it as a web service than have to maintain an extra code base. On 10 May 2010 17:51, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: David Bovill wrote: On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code the off button. Did you really, or was this an amusing comeback only? I would love to see a Rev port of ALICE. Did anyone actually do that? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Chipp Walters wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar bobs at twft.com wrote: Really?? That is what Apple wants? Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 And from Mr. Jobs himself; the public spanking he gave Adobe linked to from the front page of apple.com applies to all cross-platform developers: We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers. This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor’s platforms. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ To the degree that those arguments apply at all to iPhone OS, they could also apply to OS X as well. But fortunately they don't hold much water under closer examination, as has been pointed out across the blogosphere and as many of us know from personal experience: 1. Without such cross-platform tools a minority OS might never have any apps at all across entire categories that are useful to its customers. 2. When an app that was written in Objective-C breaks, the motivation to address it promptly is only as strong as the sole developer's personal interest in it, but when a cross-platform tool has a bug there are thousands of developers demanding an immediate fix from the vendor of the tool they made it with. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
On May 10, 2010, at 10:57 AM, JosepM wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, I read the dictionary, but the image is loaded from disk not referenced. What is a image not referenced? The image would have to be imported, I believe, to be able to use the crop command with it. Devin El 10/05/2010, a las 18:51, Devin Asay [via Runtime Revolution] ml-node+2172400-329687279-23...@n4.nabble.com escribió: On May 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, JosepM wrote: Hi List, I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. tObject is a graphic selected by the user. img picture is a image loaded by the user from disk The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I get Error: object is not an image?? The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle or a box.. The code: put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject crop img picture to rect tObject Any idea? :) Josep, Are your images referenced to outside image data? The Rev Dictionary says this: The crop command cannot be used on a referenced image. Doing so will cause an execution error. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172400.html To unsubscribe from Object is not an image when Crop command, click here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172408.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( buf... It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape? Maybe I trying something not posible... Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172668.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
News on revMobile
Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Not true at all... Apple just needs access to source to insure safety and control over revenue schemes. If adobe would have opened its tech to inspection, apple would have welcomed it. What matters is the platform maintaining ultimate control and access over use and content channels. Does runrev want to compete at that level? No. So what is the problem? Let apple in. Give them what they want. Access to standardized source code. Certainly runrev would ask the same. Randall -Original Message- From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:33 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone Chipp Walters wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar bobs at twft.com wrote: Really?? That is what Apple wants? Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 And from Mr. Jobs himself; the public spanking he gave Adobe linked to from the front page of apple.com applies to all cross-platform developers: We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers. This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitors platforms. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ To the degree that those arguments apply at all to iPhone OS, they could also apply to OS X as well. But fortunately they don't hold much water under closer examination, as has been pointed out across the blogosphere and as many of us know from personal experience: 1. Without such cross-platform tools a minority OS might never have any apps at all across entire categories that are useful to its customers. 2. When an app that was written in Objective-C breaks, the motivation to address it promptly is only as strong as the sole developer's personal interest in it, but when a cross-platform tool has a bug there are thousands of developers demanding an immediate fix from the vendor of the tool they made it with. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Being a developer who makes his living at it (like many of us do), I develop on platforms that make me the most money, period. To date, thats Windows. While there is opportunity to make money on mobile devices, I think that opportunity for me is more of a n-tiered solution where the mobile device is solely a UI to the server(s) solution. I absolutely hate almost all of Microsoft's architecture, it smacks of being designed by a room full of monkeys (sri if I slandered any monkeys out there) but its so overladen with layers of junk just to get something done. Apple's archiectural designs are so elegant and clean they just invite you to use them. But, I would rather have my toenails trimmed with a machete by a room full of Microsoft architects than to code in Objective C. Its not I cannot do it (as I have), its that I don't like it. When the iPhone craze hit 2 years ago, my sincerest hope was that it would foster other native-appearing alternatives to ObjC since the developers were having to use Macs for iPhone development and we could get some non-objC koolaid. Almost bought a commercial license of QT even though I hate C++ almost as much as ObjC, In fact, I put my money on mono which allowed me to use my windows skills everywhere. But the sad fact is the establishment of cross-platform frameworks would bring some many new applications to OS X that it would ignite that platform. But by making the iphone/ipad platform closed to anyone but objC coders, he has starved off this flood of OS X innovation. He has chosen what my former CEO called the precisely irrelevant solution, looking to have 100% of the latest features present in any application instead of the meaningfully approximate of 85% and many more entries on their platform. By staying pure, he will experience what happens with an exclusionary policy. Its language apartheid. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
It's quite a long read, so here are some highlights: No Rev of any sort on iPhone OS, probably forever. Refocusing efforts on Android. RunRevLive 10 pushed back to April next year. The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
On May 10, 2010, at 11:36 AM, JosepM wrote: OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( buf... It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape? Maybe I trying something not posible... Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Kevin, As we all knew you would, you did everything humanly possible for your customers. RunRev got ambushed and there wasn't much you could do about it. --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: From: Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com Subject: News on revMobile To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:39 PM Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
If Scott Rossi doesn't know how, it can't be done. --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: From: Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu Subject: Re: Object is not an image when Crop command To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:54 PM On May 10, 2010, at 11:36 AM, JosepM wrote: OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( buf... It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape? Maybe I trying something not posible... Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. Well said and I am in complete agreement. iPhone iPad's loss is just Androids gain. ...I now know what my next phone/mobile device will be powered by. ;-) Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Geez, thanks Steve. Just what we Apple loyalists needed-NOT. Do I sound just a wee bit annoyed. You bet I am. But my annoyance is at Apple, not Run Rev. RunRev did their level best, but what could we really expect when logic plays second fiddle to the whims of Sir Steve of Jobs? On May 10, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
Recently, Devin Asay wrote: Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. You can't. You can only group the graphic and image and use combined ink effects. Very limiting. You can see the Spotlight demo on this page as an example: http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/software/tutorials.html Alternatively, you can set the backPattern of the graphic to the ID of the image, but there's no control over how the image is positioned relative to the graphic. I imagine one could use the hidden point technique of a polygon (adding a space before an after a point in the polygon's point list) to establish left and top offsets for the backPattern, effectively offsetting the image within the graphic. But this will only work with polygon graphics. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Colin, Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! René Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:53, Colin Holgate a écrit : The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Colin Holgate wrote: The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing list: I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear. Paraphrasing his reply: The new provision is ONLY intended to apply to applications distributed through the app store. http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/monotouch/2010-April/001878.html But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal confirmation from Apple either way. And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who knows what the license will say by noon... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On May 10, 2010, at 2:05 PM, René Micout wrote: Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! Let's not get into another long discussion about what is right and what Apple are saying. Clearly they can't stop you as an individual, but an Enterprise client who sends out an internal App to hundreds of their staff, could well lose their Enterprise status if any one of those iPhones or iPads is viewed by someone who reports to Steve Jobs. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work?
Quicktime runs fine on an iPhone. That's the whole idea. Anyone can make a platform-independent player for quicktime. Using the *export to web* feature from QT Pro, one can see the array of files that allow scaling to different formats: iphone, other phones, desktop. and the html to display it. Works perfectly on the fone. Rotates, etc. On 10 May 2010 09:03, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: if it is a youtube video, then it plays fine... On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and because of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs or allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser. Bob On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote: On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows media. quicktime is small potatoes. Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is then shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Colin Holgate wrote: If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
This is good for you Jerry. I hope you keep getting preferential treatment. I, however, do not. I do expect a rebate or discount for my loss. Tom McGrath On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
For those deciding to not buy an iPad because of these mess, I completely understand the decision, but you owe it to yourselves to borrow one for a weekend. It is honestly a major breakthru which makes the whole situation much sadder. As Jerry pointed out in one thread, its a breakthrough paradigm and makes going back to a keyboard/mouse feel like stepping into the 20th century. When we get very accurate voice to text on it, I think we will see a lot of used laptops go on ebay/craigslist. To check email, it takes approximately 3 seconds to power own and establish with my wifi network. I can power it up, check my mail and power it down before my laptop has finished awakening from its sleep. Again, incredibly sad situation for everyone. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Colin, Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! René Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:53, Colin Holgate a écrit : The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I couldn´t have said it better. Matthias Am 10.05.2010 um 19:46 schrieb Jerry Daniels: As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
I have 5 macbooks, 1 iMac, 1 iPhone and 1 iPad (and 2 newtons) Now... I am so pissed at Apple that I won't buy anything from Apple ever again. As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. I am just thankful that I did not buy an iPhone 3GS to replace my iPhone 3G like I was thinking about doing couple weeks ago. Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? Silly company. Makes no sense. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Colin Holgate wrote: The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing list: I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear. Paraphrasing his reply: The new provision is ONLY intended to apply to applications distributed through the app store. http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/monotouch/2010-April/001878.html But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal confirmation from Apple either way. And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who knows what the license will say by noon... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I would have loved to have instead heard apple's reaction to the prospect that runrev would output clean well formed objective C source that would be compiled in apples blessed and native IDE. Of course apple would want to developed its own xtalk environment for the ipad. They own the domain! They invented it! What did you think they would say? Nuts! -Original Message- From: Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:46 AM To: How to Use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com; Improvements to Revolution improve-revolut...@lists.runrev.com Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
YES ! Le 10 mai 2010 à 20:08, J. Landman Gay a écrit : Colin Holgate wrote: If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On May 10, 2010, at 2:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. After every iTunes update the jailbreak people have to find another way to jailbreak the iPhone. It wouldn't be too hard for Apple to be equally awkward with end users who are just making apps for their own personal use. I hope that the reply about how the terms only apply to Store Apps is true. That would at least leave open one area of potential development. But really, Apple should amend the agreement to make it clear that it's ok to use any tool for Enterprise work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ It's a sad day for RunRev, and all high level language (HLL) developers. In an unprecedented decree by the current King of the Hill, Steve Jobs has declared his tools, and only his tools, can be used to create compiled binary applications for his new favorite pet platform. The Hell with the rest of us. Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the beginning. Nope, he changed things when it suited him best. Be damned with the rest of you- oh and thanks for your support, UP TO NOW, is the message he is sending. He couldn't care less. Screwing his partners, their customers and their customer's customers out of literally millions of dollars. Honestly, will anyone really be surprised when he does this yet again to Mac OS X developers? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Chipp Walters wrote: Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the beginning. Nope, he changed things when it suited him best ...which just happened to be two business days before Adobe launched CS5, their expensive investment which was to provide Flash apps for iPhone. That could be entirely coincidental, but either way I guess RunRev could consider themselves lucky that they weren't farther along before this unexpected and sweeping change. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Can they say yes to EA and no to us? And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL BETTER ARGH On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
That nice XML exporter for stacks...
Hello Folks, Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all properties and scripts to an XML file? I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? is something along the lines of repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack ... end repeat end repeat ok? -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Well done, Kevin. Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in good and strong company into this new mobile arena: I’m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication. http://www.mobileorchard.com/goodbye/ 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/36460/70-of-iPhone-developers-heading-to-Android-says-AdMob Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/31/devs.as.likely.to.code.for.android.as.iphone/ Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/npd_android_phones_now_outsell_apples_iphone_in_us.html Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/android-jumps-past-iphone-in-us-mobile-web-use Android Market app count surges 68% in March http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/07/sudden.rush.of.android.apps.tracked/ Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice: I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the rejection. Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that developers are being forced to look at other platforms. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
How can you be so old when you are so young? Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Can they say yes to EA and no to us? And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL BETTER ARGH On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
RunRev, like so many others, have taken a socking great kick in the pants from Apple. Kevin's Article seems remarkably sober considering the circumstances - perhaps it was preceded by a 'slightly' more vulgar internal memo . . . :) I can only say that I hope it does not affect RunRev unduly; and that is DOES affect iPad sales (mind you; here in Bulgaria, the usual mindless morons are queuing up to get one - the same ones who send their expensively dressed children to my school with their iPhones; never mind, they subsidise some of the kids who either don't have any money or don't have fathers to pay). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
I won't buy anything from Apple ever again. My entire catalog of products from Apple consists of a no longer owned Mac-mini and the original iPhone. (which I believe to be the single greatest tech product ever designed) In general (not specific to this situation), Apple's restrictive policy's (much worse than Microsoft, IMO) have been the reason for my hesitancy to fork over the bucks for a new Mac of any type as well as the iPad. As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. As a dye in the wool Linux fan for many years previously, I'll have to agree... I foresee Linux, Android and RunRev all playing a big part in my development future. I'll continue to put up with and develop for Windows because I have little choice, but it's now officially good-bye to Macs for sure. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...
On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote: Hello Folks, Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all properties and scripts to an XML file? I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? is something along the lines of repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack ... end repeat end repeat ok? Do you mean xmltree-view.rev ??? If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar': http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks backed up over here. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
While I don't like Microsoft, and they have tried to force people to use their shabby browser, at least they haven't got up to the same sort of restrictive practises that Apple have; consider: I can wander down the road into any tatty-old computer shop and buy a tatty old PC and get some sort of Windows running on it relatively easily (as I can, even more easily with Linux). Apple have always tied their operating systems to their machines. The 'iPad thing' is really just an extension of the same sort of thing. This may, after all, be one of the reasons why Apple have never commanded more than about 10% of the market. I know that Windows is a second-class product; but it works to a certain extent in areas where Mac OS cannot even bootup the install disk. Unless Apple democritise they will probably go the way of all aristocracies; and, just perhaps, it is Apple that should feel threatened by Linux, not Windows. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Connect the dots...
But Apple is not the one WRITING the games. That was my point. The games are written by other developers for the iPhone. You may as well call the US Government the enemy for creating the internet, or more accurately Intel the enemy for creating a processor that Nintendo cannot or does not use. Or better yet the US Highway department for creating a freeway that does not go to Podunk NC. I suppose you could say the same thing about Nintendo since they provide a gaming platform, not necessarily the game software, but it remains to be seen how much better, if at all, the games end up being on the iPad as opposed to the Wii. I just think Nintendo needs to be developing better platforms as things evolve (I hate that word there's nothing random about the process) rather than vilify their competition. It's the word enemy that got my goat. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Bovill wrote: On 10 May 2010 17:25, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could never have hoped for prior to the iPhone. Have to disagree there Bob: 1. Games are the number one surprise hit on the iPhone 2. The third most significant addition in iOS4 is the Game Centrehttp://developer.apple.com/technologies/iphone/whats-new.html#gamecenter- http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-apple-announces-game-center-a-social-gaming-netw/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Oh I see. I think it was the word outlaw that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is outlawing cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Really?? That is what Apple wants? On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Android over iPad (was RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement)
Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I completely agree, Jerry. The iPhone family of products represent a very attractive consumer platform. We cannot expect iPad users to understand the issues around Steve Jobs war on cross platform tools - just talk with your non computer industry friends who also happen to use an iPhone about it (guess what I did on Mother's Day). The iPad today is still the product it was yesterday - except now we know our Rev projects won't be on it. Just as Steve Jobs has his business reasons for making his decisions, so do you as software vendors. I don't think you should go out and burn your iPhone and iPad. But just like Steve Jobs, you should also consider your business as well. Support RevMobile on Android. Plan for it. Help make it happen. Make the words HyperCard and Runrev and Android appear often in your blogs, twitter posts and facebook updates. I don't suggest this for reasons other than business reasons. Supporting a platform where you can deploy your applications, which makes it possible for more copies of your applications to be sold. Ive already made a blog update to this effect, it isnt much more than you already know: http://www.lynnfredricks.com/2010/05/10/no-hypercard-for-the-ipad-watch-for- hypercard-on-android/ Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
Hi, Thanks for the replies.. I see the sample Spotlight, very cool. I understand you but I don't know the hidden point technique :) Where add a space in the polygon's list? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172787.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
The combination of iPhone / iPad AND Windows app development has been seen as a great opportunity for a lot of developers. There where great ideas. So many developer had a HyperCard / RunRev Project to bring to the iPhone AND other platforms. A problem for Apple? Would be great if Apple changes there minds! As others, I have spent a lot of time and effort to bring RunRev Apps on the iPhone. Andreas Stämpfli___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...
There was and Tree View stack that the person programming it said he would release a full version in around April 2010 but I don't know the name of the stack and have not heard anything about it being released. He was going to charge a small fee for it when the full version was released. -=JB=- On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote: Hello Folks, Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all properties and scripts to an XML file? I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? is something along the lines of repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack ... end repeat end repeat ok? Do you mean xmltree-view.rev ??? If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar': http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks backed up over here. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: News on revMobile
Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the rejection. Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that developers are being forced to look at other platforms. Ive sent out feelers to my press contacts about it. I strongly suggest everyone else does as well. I think there's an excellent market for applications that can be deployed on Mac OS X andAndroid :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Bob, You can still break iPhone OS writting Objective-C... If you or jobs doubt that, I invite you guys to look at my own ObjC developments. I can break any hardware. Now, they are mixing correlation with causation. Cross platform is not the bad guy here, poor programmers are. One can write good cross platform software respecting everything from UIs to Memory Management stuff. Cross platform software can be a good citizen. Poor programmers can screw any machine no matter the language used. silly apple. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Oh I see. I think it was the word outlaw that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is outlawing cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Really?? That is what Apple wants? On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
Mmhh.. but with the backpattern in correct position how crop only these shape... Sorry for my questions, never I must fighted with graphics issues in Rev until now... :) The following is posible? 1 Export the snapshot ruled by the rect of a polygon over one part of the image. 2 Load the exported image and superpose the same graphic and make transparent the difference. I don't know if I explain myself. 3 Save as transparent the image 4 Load the transparent image over the original image. It's for simulate painted walls, and I need extract the windows, picture frames and other nice stuff... :P Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172800.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Bob, You're more than welcome to your opinion as an Apple apologist-- though I would say your timing right now is probably not the best. I disagree with just about everything you say. You obviously haven't been following our discussion here over the past few weeks where all of your points have been addressed. I have documented my discussion fairly well at the blogs: http://shaferwaltersgroup.posterous.com/ and http://chippwalters.posterous.com/ Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Oh I see. I think it was the word outlaw that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is outlawing cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
Recently, JosepM wrote: I understand you but I don't know the hidden point technique :) Where add a space in the polygon's list? A polygon is derived from a list of points, one per line: 23,181 42,190 36,195 23,181 Adding an empty line between points in the list adds an invisible point to the polygon that changes the polygon's dimensions without adding to the fill or stroke of the polygon. 5,181 23,181 42,190 36,195 23,181 Using this technique, one could establish the *physical* topleft of a polygon to occur at one location while the *visible* topleft of the polygon occurs at a different location. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. I would say denying developers tools of their choice will probably do a good enough job of hindering advancement of iPhone OS. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Very, very sorry to hear this, despite having had no personal interest in developing in Rev for iPhone or iPad. It is a serious disappointment, and you along with many others deserved better from Apple. Which they will one day come to understand. These things always come around in the end. Good luck with Android. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/News-on-revMobile-tp2172670p2172817.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Thank you... Well said. -Original Message- From: Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:09 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone Oh I see. I think it was the word outlaw that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is outlawing cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Really?? That is what Apple wants? On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: single bit contact closure input [macintosh]
That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying some kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do this - the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive. Revolution on a Network based Chip would be cool about now... On 10 May 2010 01:18, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: yes, very nice stuff. A Revolution External is mentioned. A little late to the thread but I think this might be a cheaper option - 8/8/8: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0 Someones written an AppleScript OSAX to go with it, which might suit your needs, if you were the one that wrote the original AS: http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=1t=2536 A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to the M key on an old keyboard. Still, as you say, a lot of extra there for just a single bit. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I don't want to dig into this snowball but I have first hand experience with this on Mac OS. Apple isn't shy about blaming the developer at all. When I was at Now, and later at Qualcomm peddling Eudora, I had first hand knowledge of Apple support blaming bugginess on the developer, no matter what the cause. Later when those early, very lame releases of Mac OS X were released and an application caused havok, it was the vendor's fault, not that the underlying structure changing so radically from a .# to .#. Apple finger points just fine if they think its necessary. There is a less draconian solution. Make it possible to install non App Store apps, but have all the restrictions apply to App Store apps. That way, if Apple is right and non tested/non conforming apps are so bad, then customers will only buy from the App Store. That lets the customer and the market decide. App Store apps can even live in a different partition to keep them separate from dirty, filthy non conforming apps, so that they could survive a hardware reset. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Send delete file in time
I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the delete file... command it works right away. delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName -- Works How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the following it gets a compiler error missing a comma near the to. send delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Send delete file in time
Bill, put The original name into originalFileName send deleteFile originalFileName to me in 20 secs on deleteFile originalFileName delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName end deleteFile -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html On 10 mei 2010, at 22:19, Bill Vlahos wrote: I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the delete file... command it works right away. delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName -- Works How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the following it gets a compiler error missing a comma near the to. send delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Send delete file in time
Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote: I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the delete file... command it works right away. delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName -- Works How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the following it gets a compiler error missing a comma near the to. send delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error Create a new handler/command and send it after 20 seconds. send deleteTempFile pFileName to me in 20 secs on deleteTempFile pFileName delete file Folder/temp/ pFileName end deleteTempFile Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone -[OT] Now
You were at Now? What a great company. Now-Up-To-Date was the best group calendar our company ever used. And Boomerang hasn't seen it's match since! On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: When I was at Now, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
JosepM jmyepes at mac.com wrote: OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( buf... It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape? and Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com answered: Recently, Devin Asay wrote: Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. You can't. You can only group the graphic and image and use combined ink effects. Very limiting. You can see the Spotlight demo on this page as an example: http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/software/tutorials.html Hello Joseph, It *is* possible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape. Check out our stack More about masks http://www.sanke.org/Software/MoreAboutMasksRev3.zip Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Send delete file in time
Mark and Scott, You guys are awesome. That worked. Thank you, Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 10, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote: I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the delete file... command it works right away. delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName -- Works How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the following it gets a compiler error missing a comma near the to. send delete file Folder/temp/ originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error Create a new handler/command and send it after 20 seconds. send deleteTempFile pFileName to me in 20 secs on deleteTempFile pFileName delete file Folder/temp/ pFileName end deleteTempFile Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from their own compiler. So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their products. I said, Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL apps for ALL apple products? His answer was, Well if it improves stability, sure, why not? Be afraid. Be very afraid. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Great links Richard. I would suggest anyone remotely interested in developing for Android should check them out! I seriously doubt Google and Android would pull such a stunt as Jobs and try and outlaw cross platform dev apps for Android. After all, unlike Apple, they have a mantra, and it is Do No Evil. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Well done, Kevin. Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in good and strong company into this new mobile arena: I’m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication. http://www.mobileorchard.com/goodbye/ 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/36460/70-of-iPhone-developers-heading-to-Android-says-AdMob Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/31/devs.as.likely.to.code.for.android.as.iphone/ Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/npd_android_phones_now_outsell_apples_iphone_in_us.html Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/android-jumps-past-iphone-in-us-mobile-web-use Android Market app count surges 68% in March http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/07/sudden.rush.of.android.apps.tracked/ Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice: I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
You worked for Now Software? That is in my opinion one of the best software companies I ever had dealings with. I really loved their Contact/Up-To-Date. Concerning my prior posts, I had been operating on the assumption that Steve Jobs was making reasonable decisions based on concerns about compatibility, stability and longevity, but after his recent rejection of the proposal that Runrev has made, I don't think that way anymore. I think Steve Jobs is falling into that trap where people think absolute control results in some kind of utopia. I think he is wrong. Cooperation, and all the evils and good that come along with it is the only way he is going to progress the platform. Otherwise Apple really is going to become another Microsoft. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I don't want to dig into this snowball but I have first hand experience with this on Mac OS. Apple isn't shy about blaming the developer at all. When I was at Now, and later at Qualcomm peddling Eudora, I had first hand knowledge of Apple support blaming bugginess on the developer, no matter what the cause. Later when those early, very lame releases of Mac OS X were released and an application caused havok, it was the vendor's fault, not that the underlying structure changing so radically from a .# to .#. Apple finger points just fine if they think its necessary. There is a less draconian solution. Make it possible to install non App Store apps, but have all the restrictions apply to App Store apps. That way, if Apple is right and non tested/non conforming apps are so bad, then customers will only buy from the App Store. That lets the customer and the market decide. App Store apps can even live in a different partition to keep them separate from dirty, filthy non conforming apps, so that they could survive a hardware reset. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
I guess they don't hire geniuses at those Apple stores. ;-) Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from their own compiler. So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their products. I said, Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL apps for ALL apple products? His answer was, Well if it improves stability, sure, why not? Be afraid. Be very afraid. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone -[OT] Now
You were at Now? What a great company. Now-Up-To-Date was the best group calendar our company ever used. And Boomerang hasn't seen it's match since! It was a great company. I was international sales manager there, then after it was acquired by Qualcomm, went over and did my thing there. Sadly, a few years later Qualcomm sold it all off to a new Now Software. They never got a successor out the door and ended up closing earlier this year. The laid back Portland culture didn't quite mesh with Qualcomm. There was a time during a mass staff phone conference (team in San Diego, team in Portland) on a Friday when a tech writer came into the room announcing Oh yeah, the keg is here!, while rolling in the Beer Bash Friday keg (a forbidden practice at qualcomm). A VP on the other end said what was that? Then a marketing guy in Portland said Yeah, the *cake* is here - its Greg's birthday! So the SD team sang Greg a Happy Birthday song as we lined up with our plastic cups... What is funny is the very last release of Now Utilities actually came from my own budget. We had a bunch of fixes made to placate our Japanese friends who sold NU-J. Qualcomm sat on the English version for over a year until they finally got around to releasing it to the world. I was long gone at that point. Now was quite close to Apple back then. Good times indeed. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC - iPhone
Concerning my prior posts, I had been operating on the assumption that Steve Jobs was making reasonable decisions based on concerns about compatibility, stability and longevity, but after his recent rejection of the proposal that Runrev has made, I don't think that way anymore. I think Steve Jobs is falling into that trap where people think absolute control results in some kind of utopia. I think he is wrong. He's a smart, smart guy - nobody is infallible though. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe
http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878 Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Data Grid] Template column behavior problem
Hi All and presumably Trevor, I have two Data Grids Tables, one in a mainstack and another in a substack. I duplicated my mainstack Data Grid in the substack by a quick copy/paste, and I defined a column behavior in my substack Data Grid. So, in the two Data Grids, I have the same column names. It seems my column in the mainstack Data Grid inherits the column behavior of the second. I can understand what happens if I refer to the lesson How Do I Customize A Table's Columns? .quote Here is what the table looks like now that I've defined some custom column templates. The table found controls named Genre, Time and My Rating in the record template group so those were used to render the data for those three columns. ./quote If I assume that it exists one card template group for each Data Grid I created in a stack: - Is my problem can come from this duplication? - Can I fix it by setting manually the dgColumnTemplate? TIA for any help. 8-) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Will trade iPhone development for revServer development
I am willing to discuss trading equal services for those that were relying on developing for the iPhone/iPad. I have written four applications for the iPhone and iPad so far, two of which are for my self and two others were for a client. I have been prototyping iPhone apps since the beginning and smartphone apps for nine years, eight of which were in RunRev. The four applications were written exclusively in ObjectiveC using Apples APIs and Apples xCode application. What I need in return is some revServer work to compliment a few of my iPhone/iPad projects. If you are interested in swapping time for time let me know off list at mcgra...@mac.com Sincerely, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On 10 May 2010 19:11, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. Me too! Actually, in the same way that it looks like the future of consumer oriented operating systems at Apple is going to be the iPhone OS, it also looks like the (consumer oriented) Linux of the future is going to be Android. For me, this bodes well in the longer term for Revolution. That is because at last RunRev will be forced to prioritize both Linux (ie Android) and to create a robust open source development strategy. I'm NOT talking here about open sourcing all of the Revolution engine - but because of the way I understand RunRev are proposing developing for Android, it does seem that there will be a need to start to engage with a wider open source community. This is because the Rev engine will be called by Android front end widgets - which in turn will be open source. In other words the front end will be open source and the Rev back end closed. This in turn will mean that belatedly RunRev will inevitably be led down the path of learning how to use classic open source community building strategies. This in turn will have spin off benefits for the server side integration with other open source platforms. I'd predict that in time, Apple will open up, and we'll get Rev on iOS, so while I love the iPad and iPhone platforms as consumer oriented hardware (and will have to shelve 2 iPad related projects) - I'm secretly really pleased about the new focus on Android :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ann: SearchListLib
Hello Rev users, Today, I have been working on a search list field, which ended up as a library. SearchListLib is a freeware library for Runtime Revolution. Enter text in a field and watch all relevant items in your list appear in a menu. The result is similar to a combobox, but it shows relevant items only and handles keystrokes such as tab, escape and return better. You can download SearchListLib from http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html at the bottom of the page. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe
Unfortunately step 1 in their peace plan shows a frightening lack of technical knowledge, and the other points aren't much better. :-( VP6 and Spark would both have to be decoded on the CPU, leading to *exactly* the kind of battery draining performance that Jobs complained about. h264 plays acceptably on mobiles because they have dedicated h264-decoding chips built in. Plus as far as I'm aware Mobile Safari doesn't have a plug-in architecture in the first place... Ian On 10 May 2010, at 22:43, Chipp Walters wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878 Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Object is not an image when Crop command
Recently, Devin Asay wrote: OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( buf... It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape? Maybe I trying something not posible... Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. It just occurred to me, if you don't mind using the group/ink option, you can mask using the technique shown on the second card of this stack (execute the following in your message box): go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/masking_options.rev; Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
