Re: Reading the Supercard manual #2
Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 19/05/2010 23:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Using Help From Within the Script Editor The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up automatically from within SuperCard's or SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to lookup and press Command-?. If the help system is currently not running it will be launched and the Language Guide window will open to the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word the help system will tell you. Yum! We already have that. That's funny; I tried that and it didn't work. Sorry, as someone else said, you need to right-click in Rev and choose find in docs. Or easier, just click the Documentation pane at the bottom of the editor to see whatever word your cursor is in. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: gigapan
Yes... But that ! http://www.paris-26-gigapixels.com/index-en.html Le 20 mai 2010 à 02:25, Michael Kann a écrit : The ability to zoom in on this image is amazing. http://gigapan.org/gigapans/15374/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?
Dioes the Finder have the ability to get and set properties, ie permissions? The usual thing to do in Linux, very similar base, would be to tell the user to right click in a file manager, ie in the Mac case the Finder, get properties, and change the permissions to executable. You wouldn't normally need to ask them to do that in the terminal. Haven't used Macs for quite a while, so maybe it doesn't work like this. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Creating-Mac-standalone-on-Windows-Studio-tp2223127p2224030.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background?
Yes, of course. I shall have to try this on the printing script. Thanks! There is also, for completeness, the nohup command, which lets a process run after the terminal session has closed, might come in handy in similar situations. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Playing-wav-sound-file-in-Linux-in-background-tp2220508p2224036.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Le 19 mai 2010 à 23:05, Malte Pfaff-Brill a écrit : Thierry, Hello Malte, does your stack have any substacks that are still open? Rev can not destroy it in that case. Yes, one substack and sometimes it's visible, sometimes not visible. Then, the mainstack is closed, but still in memory. But it's not my problem right now. ( I've pass to this one too, especially when the substack is hidden ) Do you reference to it with a filePath? - Will be reopened each time you reference to it then. I did the test with One stack + 1 substack ( which does nothing ) So, where can I reference it with a filePath ? I guess it's not for my case. Does it carry an external that is still used? - Rev won´t destroy it then AFAIK That's probably the point. Can someone give a definition of still in use ? In all the externals I made, I always build a sort of ResetExternalFunction to do all kinds of reset, freeing buffers,... But nowhere I've seen any information about closing/unloading an external As for the last 10 years, starting from Metacard on Unix, then using mostly Metacard, then using kRev, never had one of this problem. Hmm, and I've make almost 50 externals mainly for specific customer applications and few to be used within the Rev IDE. So, I'm not that familiar with the Rev IDE tricks. Other than those cases, I have never seen destroystack fail. Different ways of coding and working with Rev... Maybe you were lucky or maybe I'm not :) Another point: this reminds me one thread on this list about someone who couldn't start an external. I guess/feel that his problem could be that his stack was still in memory, and when he restarted it, the normal process of loading the external didn't work because the stack was already in memory. My 2 cents. Thanks to all for your suggestions. Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revLets and Libraries
I would like to be able to set up a testing scenario that enables a user to preview a view widget in a browser as a fully functioning test / demo. I have a library of these views with each view residing in its own stack. I can set up standalone settings so that when you open a view stack you can easily Save as standalone and the revLet is saved and appears in the default browser. The problem I have is with libraries - that is if a particular view needs a library to function. I can add the library as a stack in the standalone settings, but it is copied as a seperate rev stack with a revLet. As far as i know you have to have the library as a substack if you want to use it in a revlet? Any ideas how to automate this - i don't want to duplicate the library and make it a substack of all the view widget stacks? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #1
On 20/05/2010 07:31, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: HyperNext is hardly developed by 1 person. It is based on REALbasic, using RB's scripting language as its programming language. So the fact that it can play multiple sounds, run on multiple platforms, etc., comes courtesy of the hard work of the team at REAL Software. It would be about the same as giving Ken Ray credit for the amazing graphics capabilities of stackrunner (no offense, Ken). gc Fair point! On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.tigabyte.com/docs/LanguageReference.pdf There are five dedicated sound channels and any sound or music file must be allocated to a channel. The idea of having sound channels so that 2 or more sounds can be played simultaneously comes up here from time to time; but never seems to get anywhere. Now how is it that a RAD developed by 1 person can manage sound channels while . . . . ? What I do not understand (and I have asked this before) is why, if so many languages/IDEs/RADs have sound channels (my BBC has sound channels in its hardwired BBC BASIC), it seems to be such a sticking point every time I mention it the possibility re RunRev. Plying 2 sounds simultaneously in RunRev is a no-no; and the addition of sound channels would be a significanr addition. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading the HyperNext manual #2
HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext function. Three different approaches to playing notes are supported. The first two are useful for playing single notes whereas the third allows melodies or sequences of notes to be defined and played. At the present time HyperNext only supports one Note channel so if a melody is playing then any PlayPitch or PlayNote command will be ignored. (1) Notes can be played individually using the PlayPitch command which specifies the instrument, pitch, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (2) Notes can be played individually using the PlayNote command which specifies the instrument, octave, note, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (3) Notes can be played as group using the MelodyPlay command. This is more powerful than the PlayPitch/PlayNote commands and gives greater control over the musical output. OK, Peter, leveraging QuickTime instruments wouldn't be much cop for Linux (but, that - as my Grandfather used to say - is a coming man already gone). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #1
More ! to make chords 7 is better ! René Le 20 mai 2010 à 13:36, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Plying 2 sounds simultaneously in RunRev is a no-no; and the addition of sound channels would be a significanr addition. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #2
YES ! Le 20 mai 2010 à 13:46, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext function. Three different approaches to playing notes are supported. The first two are useful for playing single notes whereas the third allows melodies or sequences of notes to be defined and played. At the present time HyperNext only supports one Note channel so if a melody is playing then any PlayPitch or PlayNote command will be ignored. (1) Notes can be played individually using the PlayPitch command which specifies the instrument, pitch, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (2) Notes can be played individually using the PlayNote command which specifies the instrument, octave, note, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (3) Notes can be played as group using the MelodyPlay command. This is more powerful than the PlayPitch/PlayNote commands and gives greater control over the musical output. OK, Peter, leveraging QuickTime instruments wouldn't be much cop for Linux (but, that - as my Grandfather used to say - is a coming man already gone). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: destroystack wrong behavior...
Thierry wrote: Another point: this reminds me one thread on this list about someone who couldn't start an external. I guess/feel that his problem could be that his stack was still in memory, and when he restarted it, the normal process of loading the external didn't work because the stack was already in memory. There is an issue here. The issue involves destroyStack and externals and memory usage both in the IDE and in standalones on Windows (probably on Mac also, but I was never able to positively confirm it on Mac). This issue is if you start a stack that uses an external that leaks memory, like revBrowser (revBrowser itself doesn't leak, but the browser control that it uses does). The known way to release the leaked memory is to close the external. The way to release the external is to destroy the stack that opened the external. However, after destroying the stack (and there is some question as to whether the stack was actually destroyed or not), the fact is that the memory is not released. This would indicate that the stack was not destroyed and the external is still in memory. In any case, the only way to release the memory is to close the IDE or standalone itself. My understanding is that this is a big architectural change that will be addressed as part of other architectural changes in the future. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HyperCard for the iPad
This has been troubling me. Steve jobs is reputed to have said: “Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it” at the Apple’s shareholder meetinghttp://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.htmlsome time in early 2010. The closest source to this I can find is herehttp://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.html(the relevant section below is at the bottom of the article): As usual, there were also a number of off-beat comments and questions, ranging from suggestions that Apple invest in Tesla Motors (Jobs: “We were thinking of a toga party, actually”) to a request for a flagship Apple Store in Cupertino (“I’ll pass that on to our retail team”), to a suggestion that Apple partner with Nintendo (strategic alliances are hard, but possible if it’s worth it), to a desire for a simple programming language on the iPad (“Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it”). Jobs declined to comment on the possibility of a Verizon-network iPhone. So it was a casual remark - not thought through maybe? I'd be tempted to be generous on this one - and figure that he meant what he said. If so it would be real interesting to ask on what legal and technical basis someone could do that. I don't think his answer would be along Rodeo lines - that is you'd have to create web app's. So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? How about a community drafted letter - one directed specifically at this question and to clarify his thinking on this? What would such a letter look like? Which is the best open platform out there to draft such a letter together and collect signatures? NB - I'd be tempted to think that one possible answer which would square the circle (with regard to Apples concerns with a middle layer lock in) - is if the HyperCard app on the iPhone was open source. Then there would be no lock-in against Apples interest as if they or any Apple developers wanted to improve and add platform specific features they would have the power to do that? That is surely part of the logic behind why JavaScript is OK. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
The Data Grid Helper updates its road map
Dear List, A quick post to let you know that the Slug continues to work hard on its Data Grid Helper project. To give the best possible experience, it has updated the road map: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=74:data-grid-helpercatid=41:tools-for-revolutionItemid=64 Some screenshots and a new video are planned for the end of this week. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rodeo: 2 questions
Hi Jerry, I'm still reading about Rodeo and trying to evaluate whether to take the plunge. there are a couple of things I don't quite get: 1. The web apps being served by On-Rev: Rodeo server is a highly-scaleable, secure, n-tier architected cloud solution. So there is no way to author and then serve from our own servers, and that means a minimum $10 a month fee for hosting. What about bandwidth? What if someone creates a wildly popular webapp - can they serve some content from a CDN? Any ideas how you would charge for that? 2. Is there any specific strategy offered by On-Rev in your server set-up that allows true scalability and load balancing across regions etc? Or are we realistically going to be stuck with a single shared or perhaps even private server without the ability to scale that? OK for a the vast majority of apps this won't be an issue - but having the option to scale in the event is still an issue. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
I agree and put my signature, but for iPad ! René Le 20 mai 2010 à 14:34, David Bovill a écrit : This has been troubling me. Steve jobs is reputed to have said: “Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it” at the Apple’s shareholder meetinghttp://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.htmlsome time in early 2010. The closest source to this I can find is herehttp://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.html(the relevant section below is at the bottom of the article): As usual, there were also a number of off-beat comments and questions, ranging from suggestions that Apple invest in Tesla Motors (Jobs: “We were thinking of a toga party, actually”) to a request for a flagship Apple Store in Cupertino (“I’ll pass that on to our retail team”), to a suggestion that Apple partner with Nintendo (strategic alliances are hard, but possible if it’s worth it), to a desire for a simple programming language on the iPad (“Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it”). Jobs declined to comment on the possibility of a Verizon-network iPhone. So it was a casual remark - not thought through maybe? I'd be tempted to be generous on this one - and figure that he meant what he said. If so it would be real interesting to ask on what legal and technical basis someone could do that. I don't think his answer would be along Rodeo lines - that is you'd have to create web app's. So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? How about a community drafted letter - one directed specifically at this question and to clarify his thinking on this? What would such a letter look like? Which is the best open platform out there to draft such a letter together and collect signatures? NB - I'd be tempted to think that one possible answer which would square the circle (with regard to Apples concerns with a middle layer lock in) - is if the HyperCard app on the iPhone was open source. Then there would be no lock-in against Apples interest as if they or any Apple developers wanted to improve and add platform specific features they would have the power to do that? That is surely part of the logic behind why JavaScript is OK. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
Of course it's still early days, but we are very serious about having a scaleable backend service. Since one of us is in Australia, we also want geographic coverage. Every day this sector of our industry gets better. Massively shared servers? No. Deals for dedicated servers? Yes. We want this to be a premium service focused on performance. It will not be free. We are not taking on VC for this. There are no ads to support it. It will be fee supported. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 7:45 AM, David Bovill da...@architex.tv wrote: Hi Jerry, I'm still reading about Rodeo and trying to evaluate whether to take the plunge. there are a couple of things I don't quite get: 1. The web apps being served by On-Rev: Rodeo server is a highly-scaleable, secure, n-tier architected cloud solution. So there is no way to author and then serve from our own servers, and that means a minimum $10 a month fee for hosting. What about bandwidth? What if someone creates a wildly popular webapp - can they serve some content from a CDN? Any ideas how you would charge for that? 2. Is there any specific strategy offered by On-Rev in your server set-up that allows true scalability and load balancing across regions etc? Or are we realistically going to be stuck with a single shared or perhaps even private server without the ability to scale that? OK for a the vast majority of apps this won't be an issue - but having the option to scale in the event is still an issue. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLets and Libraries
Oh and by the way, if you're loading revlets, then checkout: http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject This will make your life easier. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:24 AM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tvwrote: I would like to be able to set up a testing scenario that enables a user to preview a view widget in a browser as a fully functioning test / demo. I have a library of these views with each view residing in its own stack. I can set up standalone settings so that when you open a view stack you can easily Save as standalone and the revLet is saved and appears in the default browser. The problem I have is with libraries - that is if a particular view needs a library to function. I can add the library as a stack in the standalone settings, but it is copied as a seperate rev stack with a revLet. As far as i know you have to have the library as a substack if you want to use it in a revlet? Any ideas how to automate this - i don't want to duplicate the library and make it a substack of all the view widget stacks? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLets and Libraries
David, I think in the current incarnation, revLets can load remote stacks. So just copy all your library stacks to a nice URL and load them with: go stack url bla bla bla start using stack bla bla bla :D On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:24 AM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tvwrote: I would like to be able to set up a testing scenario that enables a user to preview a view widget in a browser as a fully functioning test / demo. I have a library of these views with each view residing in its own stack. I can set up standalone settings so that when you open a view stack you can easily Save as standalone and the revLet is saved and appears in the default browser. The problem I have is with libraries - that is if a particular view needs a library to function. I can add the library as a stack in the standalone settings, but it is copied as a seperate rev stack with a revLet. As far as i know you have to have the library as a substack if you want to use it in a revlet? Any ideas how to automate this - i don't want to duplicate the library and make it a substack of all the view widget stacks? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
David Bovill wrote: So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the insights from his history there to this iPhone OS debacle: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010/05/apple-adobe-and-openness-lets-get-real.html The crux of his entry is: So the real situation around Flash is that Apple won't permit most other platforms on iPhone (no matter how innocuous they are) because it thinks they threaten its survival, while Adobe wants its platform on iPhone so it can set a de facto standard and make money from it. Neither company is really focused on protecting developers or users as its main goal; they are fighting over who gets to use developers to make money. I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)
I've been following this thread and am very excited about the possibility of more audio functionality from within Rev. I am continually in need for these kinds of tools (mostly audio but also midi.) Here's my wishlist: - Play a sound file at a different speeds without changing pitch, while maintaining good sound quality. Some time shift apps sound pretty poor. There is a program called the Amazing Slow Downer which I think does a good job. - Fade ins/out. At present if all you need to do is fade from one song to another, two rev players works fine. But the splices I need to do are between two versions of the exact same place in the same song. I've been trying to do it with 2 rev players and there is usually a little bauble at the splice point. (Aside: I think I have a better formula for fades than the n // 100-n formula -- if anyone is interested, contact me.) One problem I'm experiencing is that when I play the same fade over and over, it sounds slightly different each time, telling me that set the currentime of player x is probably just not rock-solid enough for what I'm doing. So what would be great is a fading/splicing feature that is rock-solid and is a lot finer than 600 units per second. - With one stack I'm working on, I need to tap to the music to record the timing of the notes. This is classical music that often includes lots of fast notes. I've tried using the mouse or keyboard to do this, but the resulting data is inexact. (I think the computer is doing other tasks at the same time and doesn't give these mouseclicks or keydowns top priority.) Maybe what I need is some kind of midi input (I gather that is one of the great things about midi -- that it doesn't matter if the computer is downloading emails or looking for bluetooth devices -- it is going to record the time of those midi events perfectly.) But if midi features are added, it would be great if the user doesn't need to hook up a midi keyboard to record; for what I need to do, just the computer keyboard and mouse should be sufficient. - EQ, reverb, limiters/compressors would be great, and a way to add 3rd party plugins for those wanting higher quality. Thanks. Fred ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
totally agree. plus: totally fit for the iPhone/iPad. But we may see this someday. See this (sorta funny) blogpost http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/18/when-jobs-says-no-we-hear-maybe-heres-why/ Le 20 mai 2010 à 16:36, Richard Gaskin a écrit : David Bovill wrote: So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the insights from his history there to this iPhone OS debacle: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010/05/apple-adobe-and-openness-lets-get-real.html The crux of his entry is: So the real situation around Flash is that Apple won't permit most other platforms on iPhone (no matter how innocuous they are) because it thinks they threaten its survival, while Adobe wants its platform on iPhone so it can set a de facto standard and make money from it. Neither company is really focused on protecting developers or users as its main goal; they are fighting over who gets to use developers to make money. I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #2
It's worth noting that you can already do this in Shakobox, available on Jacque's site... Judy On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext function. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
MJ and I were just discussing the fact that the entire iPad itself is HyperCard-like. The original HyperCard, that is. Think about it...there are no windows, there's just a screen. It's got the Home stack and everything. It's fairly modal, also. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 20, 2010, at 9:53 AM, François Chaplais wrote: totally agree. plus: totally fit for the iPhone/iPad. But we may see this someday. See this (sorta funny) blogpost http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/18/when-jobs-says-no-we-hear-maybe-heres-why/ Le 20 mai 2010 à 16:36, Richard Gaskin a écrit : David Bovill wrote: So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the insights from his history there to this iPhone OS debacle: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010/05/apple-adobe-and-openness-lets-get-real.html The crux of his entry is: So the real situation around Flash is that Apple won't permit most other platforms on iPhone (no matter how innocuous they are) because it thinks they threaten its survival, while Adobe wants its platform on iPhone so it can set a de facto standard and make money from it. Neither company is really focused on protecting developers or users as its main goal; they are fighting over who gets to use developers to make money. I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/ iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #2
Yes, it is... I use it for complex applications, but there is some limitations like control duration by example... Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 20 mai 2010 à 17:10, Judy Perry a écrit : It's worth noting that you can already do this in Shakobox, available on Jacque's site... Judy On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext function. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Jerry Daniels wrote: MJ and I were just discussing the fact that the entire iPad itself is HyperCard-like. The original HyperCard, that is. Think about it...there are no windows, there's just a screen. It's got the Home stack and everything. It's fairly modal, also. GMTA: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1271027459.853063 :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
On 20 May 2010 14:27, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Of course it's still early days, but we are very serious about having a scaleable backend service. Since one of us is in Australia, we also want geographic coverage. Every day this sector of our industry gets better. Massively shared servers? No. Deals for dedicated servers? Yes. We want this to be a premium service focused on performance. It will not be free. We are not taking on VC for this. There are no ads to support it. It will be fee supported. Thanks for the info Jerry - very clear. Please keep us posted with details on your plans for backend scaleability using On-Rev. I'll keep investigating using cloud databases for this as i project I am working on needs it - and I can;t see how I would use On-Rev to deliver easy and affordable scalability. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
I've worked on several projects with massive numbers of simultaneous users and hits against data. Did this for Nortel, a broadband wireless company and another small telecom. The trick is to know where to scale the hardware and where to put the data and where to put the logic. Look at it in four tiers: 1. Client machine/software (rev client, let's say) 2. Web server (apache, of course) 3. Web application server (assume revServer CGIs) 4. Data (whatever you like...i prefer to roll my own, but to each his/ her own) The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same solution: 1. Client: thin 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app servers 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) At Nortel, we had 13 app servers. Cheap high-performance Dells. $2000 each. We had ONE database server (SQL server). Most of the code (logic) was on the app server. We had 30 thousand users logging their hours against 50 thousand projects. We had 5000 simultaneous users ever Friday afternoon. We did have a chron job that ran each night to populate the app server with highly indexed data for project look up. The whole thing ran on a browser. Today I would have used a Rev client app, but I would have kept it very thin. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 20, 2010, at 10:38 AM, David Bovill wrote: On 20 May 2010 14:27, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Of course it's still early days, but we are very serious about having a scaleable backend service. Since one of us is in Australia, we also want geographic coverage. Every day this sector of our industry gets better. Massively shared servers? No. Deals for dedicated servers? Yes. We want this to be a premium service focused on performance. It will not be free. We are not taking on VC for this. There are no ads to support it. It will be fee supported. Thanks for the info Jerry - very clear. Please keep us posted with details on your plans for backend scaleability using On-Rev. I'll keep investigating using cloud databases for this as i project I am working on needs it - and I can;t see how I would use On-Rev to deliver easy and affordable scalability. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
now, when RevMobile runs on the future android devices, we'll take over the world and jobs will fired from apple and found a company called NeXTAgaIN just to ship some products called NextPad Turbo NextPhoneCube and be bought by Apple when His Steveness will be again CEO, rinse, repeat On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
On 20 May 2010 16:46, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. Yes he did - and I don't agree it is about exclusivity - it is about not being locked into the lower common denominator. It is about the apps being better on the iPad than they are on anything else - and the danger is that the opposite would happen over time - as it has before with Apple based software. This still leaves space for open environments though - as an open environment would not be outside of Apples control in the same way. There may be other ways? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
On 20 May 2010 16:57, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: now, when RevMobile runs on the future android devices, we'll take over the world and jobs will fired from apple and found a company called NeXTAgaIN just to ship some products called NextPad Turbo NextPhoneCube and be bought by Apple when His Steveness will be again CEO, rinse, repeat Can you put that in revTalk? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same solution: 1. Client: thin 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app servers 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. It is the transition between - give the idea a go and wow it's taken off that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that you can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to the set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps you cope with that. In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles 2. Client side processing and web service based data = no need for 2) 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB (effectively combines 3 and 4) People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
David, I don't think you'll reach problems of scalability that easily. Twitter and Facebook have scalability issues, you'll probably be fine for months before reaching scaling issues even if you're really successful. Don't think a single server with a single database is no good for your needs. Can you tell me what is the biggest demand you think of for your product because I tend to believe that you'll do just fine with a simple setup. You need massive access and stuff to approach the limits of mySQL or PostgreSQL. Apache is very robust as well and I don't think you'll reach its limit. You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon. Andre On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:25 PM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tvwrote: On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same solution: 1. Client: thin 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app servers 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. It is the transition between - give the idea a go and wow it's taken off that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that you can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to the set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps you cope with that. In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles 2. Client side processing and web service based data = no need for 2) 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB (effectively combines 3 and 4) People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
David Bovill wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:46, J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. What Kevin wrote there is: In order to support our active and growing revMobile customer base, we submitted an in-depth proposal to Apple that we create an iPhone-only product that uses native Cocoa objects, supports 100% of their API, works perfectly with multitasking and battery life, but uses a variant of the revTalk language to use these objects and APIs, and then translates those into native code. So I see where his pitch was for an iPhone-specific version of the engine, but in my reading it's unclear whether that necessarily precludes making a similar engine for other platforms. Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal was rejected. The beauty of the Rev engine is that it liberates us from the whims of any single OS vendor. OSes come and go, but if it stays true to its mandate there will always be Rev. Yes he did - and I don't agree it is about exclusivity - it is about not being locked into the lower common denominator. It is about the apps being better on the iPad than they are on anything else - and the danger is that the opposite would happen over time - as it has before with Apple based software. Whether it's apps or app features, the goal is the same: exclusivity for iPhone OS. Steve seems worried that Apple can't deliver an unquestionably superior experience on their own, and can only differentiate itself from other mobile offerings by arbitrarily raising development costs high enough that developers will have to choose between his mobile OS and the rest of the world. Big gamble. After all, it's not like the rest of the desktop OSes don't have overlapping windows, and it's not like other mobile OSes don't have accelerometers, GPS, and multitouch. If Steve can't come up with compelling differentiators, it's not Kevin's or any developer's fault. Yet its developers who are being asked to pay the price for Apple's need to differentiate: either double your development costs with two code bases, or lower your revenue by deploying only to iPhone OS. There is indeed a radical revolution afoot, but not of the sort the lay press is enamored of with their talk of The End of The Computer with some sort of replacement being more specialized devices like iPad. The real revolution is the ever-increasing commoditization of operating systems. There, I said it. Operating systems are becoming ever more similar to one another, and there's nothing any of them can do to slow that down. It's as natural, pervasive, and unstoppable as the migration from AppleTalk to TCP/IP. If this makes Steve uneasy he's missing the point of what Apple does: Apple's OS X isn't the only OS with deeply integrated search, or the only one with good multitasking, or even the only one with the strength of having Unix at its core. What Apple brings to the table is that they make BOTH the OS and the hardware, and therefore have an unmatched harmony between the two. I think that's worth paying for. Indeed, I'm typing this on a Mac. If Steve thinks he needs to push hard on developers to differentiate Apple products, he's missing the point. There are less expensive ways to communicate the value Apple delivers than forcing developers to move to Android. Hopefully he'll find a way to communicate that, and lighten up a bit on developers. In the meantime I'm happily writing my single-code-base apps for Mac, Win, and Linux, and look forward to Android, Maemo, WinMobile, and anyone else who joins the Rev revolution. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
Years ago, i did test an XServe G4 running a Sybase ASE 12.5 and went able to get 1500 web served requests / secs without any server's stress at all. And as anyone should know, OS X Server is lots less responsive than Linux or BSD. 2 cents, Best, Pierre Le 20 mai 2010 à 18:49, Andre Garzia a écrit : David, I don't think you'll reach problems of scalability that easily. Twitter and Facebook have scalability issues, you'll probably be fine for months before reaching scaling issues even if you're really successful. Don't think a single server with a single database is no good for your needs. Can you tell me what is the biggest demand you think of for your product because I tend to believe that you'll do just fine with a simple setup. You need massive access and stuff to approach the limits of mySQL or PostgreSQL. Apache is very robust as well and I don't think you'll reach its limit. You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon. Andre On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:25 PM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tvwrote: On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same solution: 1. Client: thin 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app servers 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. It is the transition between - give the idea a go and wow it's taken off that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that you can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to the set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps you cope with that. In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles 2. Client side processing and web service based data = no need for 2) 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB (effectively combines 3 and 4) People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cloud computing: scalable DB
heh heh. The SQL would practically kill you, and we need you programming in Rev these days. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: oh and this is to the Brazilian public, I don't think we send anything overseas... it is mostly promotions and ads for big shops and companies in here... now, if you think I am sending you email, you can send me your email and I will search the 55 Million email database to check if you're in any of them. :-D ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: gigapan
looks like the last 2 zooms are beyond actual resolution, kind of like those cameras that have actual zoom and electronic zoom. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Michael Kann wrote: The ability to zoom in on this image is amazing. http://gigapan.org/gigapans/15374/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: gigapan
Much nicer! Bob On May 19, 2010, at 11:34 PM, René Micout wrote: Yes... But that ! http://www.paris-26-gigapixels.com/index-en.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?
On Windows, you make something executable by putting .exe at the end. Of course, if it's not a real executable, nothing will happen, and if it is a real executable, and you don't put .exe at the end, it won't execute. This actually makes it a simple matter to send someone what looks like a jpg file, but with .exe at the end, and because Windows is hiding known extensions by default, (I know you can change that) you can trick a user into double clicking it and executing malicious code. Not so simple for a unix/linux based system. If the executable bit is in the file itself, Rev for Windows should be able to set it, but if it's some hidden system file somewhere, like an acl, then there is no real way to do it methinks. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 1:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Mark Swindell wrote: Quite the conundrum. Thanks for the explanation. New motto: Write once, wrestle lots, and deploy on multiple platforms. To be fair, it's easy and as advertised to build on all platforms from any OS, with this one exception of building for OS X from Windows. You can't really blame Rev for not being able to support something that Windows isn't capable of doing. Windows is completely unaware of any unix-based permissions. Going the other direction -- building on other platforms for Windows deployment -- works fine and as expected. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. Bob On May 20, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Apple's OS X isn't the only OS with deeply integrated search, or the only one with good multitasking, or even the only one with the strength of having Unix at its core. No the best OS in terms of integrated search, multitasking and having some unix features at its core is Haiku. Nothing beats BFS queries. -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)
Again I stress that if we try to put too much 'stuff' into this library (read: special effects) that it will distract from getting a solid foundation for us to build on. Rather than insisting on the inclusion of arbitrary, possibly lower-quality reverbs and time stretchers, I would rather see an ability to *use plugins of at least one type from the beginning* to narrow the focus of what really had to be made to get us on the air with better, cross-platform audio control in general. Midi is really a separate issue - and has anyone made a Quicktime Midi external? Is there 'more in there' that can be grokked out for both platforms? Trevor? Remember once one gets into the realm of special effects libraries; the good ones are going to cost money to license. Ultimately, there's no free lunch here. This stuff has all been done before and researched, it is not trivial coding. Using plugins would open up a much larger world for Rev as an AV builder (along with video enhancements in another project ). We wouldn't need the timeline feature right away either -- and I disagree with the other poster about their being no need for better metering as I propose: *f18 A metering object that deals with real time display of peak levels for x channels* All that is available for level metering currently is the recordLevel property, which has to be constantly polled while displaying in some kind of progress control. It serves no purpose but to show that 'something is happening' (which has been the basic concern of video guys for 60 years). It is not useful for setting levels, does not show stereo levels, and is not available when not in record (which is exactly the time when one needs it). Another use for the meter input would be as a ONE-BIT input -- easily accomplished with a simple noise source and contact closure. But I digress, except to say there's a lot more that can be accomplished here besides munging audio. All this 'stuff' would be also useful for* higher speed data collection*, something that Rev could be really good at. It would be fast - more than enough to detect accurate taps. I would humbly suggest that RTAS be the standard for plugins - many inexpensive one-man shops are turning out impressive plugs and selling for 0 to 200 dollars and in most cases are cross-platform. VST could be added later. I don't know if audio units would be worth it, unless the rich interface of the plugins can be shown. I've seen a lot of problems in that area. We need primitives for the Audio Object first. Fud for thought On 20 May 2010 07:52, Fred Moyer fmo...@aol.com wrote: I've been following this thread and am very excited about the possibility of more audio functionality from within Rev. I am continually in need for these kinds of tools (mostly audio but also midi.) Here's my wishlist: - Play a sound file at a different speeds without changing pitch, while maintaining good sound quality. Some time shift apps sound pretty poor. There is a program called the Amazing Slow Downer which I think does a good job. - Fade ins/out. At present if all you need to do is fade from one song to another, two rev players works fine. But the splices I need to do are between two versions of the exact same place in the same song. I've been trying to do it with 2 rev players and there is usually a little bauble at the splice point. (Aside: I think I have a better formula for fades than the n // 100-n formula -- if anyone is interested, contact me.) One problem I'm experiencing is that when I play the same fade over and over, it sounds slightly different each time, telling me that set the currentime of player x is probably just not rock-solid enough for what I'm doing. So what would be great is a fading/splicing feature that is rock-solid and is a lot finer than 600 units per second. - With one stack I'm working on, I need to tap to the music to record the timing of the notes. This is classical music that often includes lots of fast notes. I've tried using the mouse or keyboard to do this, but the resulting data is inexact. (I think the computer is doing other tasks at the same time and doesn't give these mouseclicks or keydowns top priority.) Maybe what I need is some kind of midi input (I gather that is one of the great things about midi -- that it doesn't matter if the computer is downloading emails or looking for bluetooth devices -- it is going to record the time of those midi events perfectly.) But if midi features are added, it would be great if the user doesn't need to hook up a midi keyboard to record; for what I need to do, just the computer keyboard and mouse should be sufficient. - EQ, reverb, limiters/compressors would be great, and a way to add 3rd party plugins for those wanting higher quality. Thanks. Fred ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
I think you miss understand what I'm saying or your experiences don't match my own. What I suggest is not expensive and is, in effect, what most n-tier architected solutions do. I learned from a couple guys who invented data access via a stateless browser. But what do they know? You might be surprised by what's going on under the covers of Amazon, Google and the other commodity services. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 11:25 AM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same solution: 1. Client: thin 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app servers 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. It is the transition between - give the idea a go and wow it's taken off that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that you can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to the set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps you cope with that. In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles 2. Client side processing and web service based data = no need for 2) 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB (effectively combines 3 and 4) People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
Absolutely. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Dioes the Finder have the ability to get and set properties, ie permissions? The usual thing to do in Linux, very similar base, would be to tell the user to right click in a file manager, ie in the Mac case the Finder, get properties, and change the permissions to executable. You wouldn't normally need to ask them to do that in the terminal. Haven't used Macs for quite a while, so maybe it doesn't work like this. The Finder can set user permissions for the user, group, and everyone. But it doesn't have an interface for the executable bit, that has to be done in Terminal. Perhaps Apple didn't think the executable bit should be messed with by the peons -- probably wise, considering the computer savvy of the general population. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to create a self-contained custom control
Thank you David for the precision. Jérôme Le 19 mai 2010 à 21:47, David Bovill a écrit : The whole point of a behavior is that it works for multiple objects (in your case a group) and acts a bit like a library for that group - so you can copy and paste the group where you want and all the copies will point to and use the same behavior script. If you want to put the script inside the group and don't mind having multiple copies of the script for each groupd you copy - then you can - basically don;t use a behavior and just put the behavior script in the groups script. There is no way to have both. On 19 May 2010 20:33, Jérôme Rosat jro...@mac.com wrote: Stephen, Thank you for the suggestion. I tried. But it doesn't work as I wish it. Jérôme Le 18 mai 2010 à 23:38, stephen barncard a écrit : Nested Groups? On 18 May 2010 13:36, Jérôme Rosat jro...@mac.com wrote: I created a custom control. I set the behavior of the group (the custom control) to a button script (I want no script in the group). If I copy the custom control in a new stack, i need to copy the button script too, or the stack that contains the button script as a substack of a new stack. How to make a self-contained custom control that I can simply copy and past where I want ? I tried to put the button script inside the group, but it doesn't work. If I copy the custom control in a new card, the behavior of the group still point to the previous card. Any idea ? Thank you for your help. Jérôme Genève___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background?
John Patten wrote: Here's what i have: put the effective filename of current stack into theTargetPath set the itemDel to / delete last item of theTargetPath delete first item of theTargetPath put / theTargetPath /recordings/ into theRecordingTarget convert the date the long time to seconds put it into tFileNameRec put tFileNameRec into cd fld audioFileName send mouseUp to btn Stop Recording in 10 secs put arecord -d 10 -fu8 -t wav into tShellCmd put shell(tschellCmdtheRecordingTargetFilenameRec) This works fine when I'm in the editor (saves to the recordings folder), but when I create a standalone the standalone saves the audio file as student in the location of the directory that I select to build the standalone. I'm not sure what the student file name is all about, but when creating your file path, don't remove the first item. Only remove or append to the end of the path. That's assuming you want the Recordings folder in the same folder with the standalone: put the effective filename of current stack into theTargetPath set the itemDel to / put recordings/ into last item of theTargetPath Then make sure there really is a folder named recordings in the target directory. If not, create it. Otherwise it won't work. When running a standalone, the defaultfolder is the one containing the standalone, and all files will be created there unless directed somewhere else by a fully qualified file path. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
I agree with Bob here Richard. On 20 May 2010 19:00, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. It is not exclusivity that is being asked for. It does not matter that Rev was offered for one platform or many. It does not matter that the same game are developed for iPhone and other platforms - exclusivity is not at all the issue. The issue is control. Control to ensure that the lockin does not migrate to any software platform that is offering pan-platform middleware - whether that be Adobe or RunRev. The fear is that cross platform development incentivises prioritising the lowest common development, and the largest installed user base - which by most accounts will soon be Android. Apple thinks it has an edge by competing on the basis of design quality and constant innovation in the hardware and OS - which it needs to trickle down to developers. If a tool maker does not implement the latest features fast enough then the cutting edge products are dragged down waiting for the tool makers to implement features, which they are only motivated to do when the market is big enough. So the fear, which is justified IMO, is in lock-in to proprietary middle ware that Apple does not and cannot control. The question I am asking is are there not other ways to square the circle - and would open source be one of those ways? If it were then you might expect some of those iPhone platforms that export modifiable / open source code to be accepted some time soon. Are there other ways in which a HyperCard like app can be created which does not involve lock-in out side of Apples control? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to create a self-contained custom control
Jérôme Rosat wrote: I created a custom control. I set the behavior of the group (the custom control) to a button script (I want no script in the group). If I copy the custom control in a new stack, i need to copy the button script too, or the stack that contains the button script as a substack of a new stack. How to make a self-contained custom control that I can simply copy and past where I want ? I tried to put the button script inside the group, but it doesn't work. If I copy the custom control in a new card, the behavior of the group still point to the previous card. If this control is something you might want to use elsewhere, it may be worth taking a few seconds to create a new stack to hold the button with the behavior script. That way you can use that stack with any project you need, and the behavior will always resolve correctly. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Yes, mostly agree with this. The link quotes earlier says: I was working at Apple when this process happened, and I can tell you that it was searing. Apple had invested countless hours and dollars marketing those products as prominent reasons to buy Macs, and then we saw that investment turned against us when the apps were made available on Windows. You see the mentality - and I say this as a former Mac user, sometimes accused of being a Mac Fanatic in the day. The problem is they are under this fatal illusion that what you do is invent a must have app, keep it to your platform, and then force people who do not want your platform on its merits, to buy it so as to get your must have apps. What you then find is this tension between app and platform. Filemaker, for instance, says that we could sell a ton of this if we can do a Windows version. The hardware people probably say today, we could sell a ton more hardware if only we could put Windows on it. The OS people say that they could sell a whole bunch more if only they could allow it to run on third party hardware. Someplace in Cupertino there is Politbureau sayinging no, life is as it was in 1985 Alas, it is not. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad-tp2224439p2225138.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?
Jacque: By done in the terminal does that mean it can't be done by shell() ? On 20 May 2010 11:39, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: Dioes the Finder have the ability to get and set properties, ie permissions? The usual thing to do in Linux, very similar base, would be to tell the user to right click in a file manager, ie in the Mac case the Finder, get properties, and change the permissions to executable. You wouldn't normally need to ask them to do that in the terminal. Haven't used Macs for quite a while, so maybe it doesn't work like this. The Finder can set user permissions for the user, group, and everyone. But it doesn't have an interface for the executable bit, that has to be done in Terminal. Perhaps Apple didn't think the executable bit should be messed with by the peons -- probably wise, considering the computer savvy of the general population. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading an old Hypercard document #1
0306857AHC2.3GS.PDF the soundChannel determines the channel on which the next sound will be generated. Funnily enough Runrev claims to be Hypercard's natural successor; but . . . Ok, Ok, Ok; I can't crack marrowbones with my teeth like some of my Neanderthal forefathers. However; I would not describe Hypercard as 'primitive'; a word I might be inclined to use about Neanderthal hunter-gatherers. -- set [the] soundChannel to /integerValue/ --- set soundChannel to value(the soundChannel) + 1 --- if the soundChannel = 1 then play theTune --- integerValue resolves to a whole number in the range 1 through 8. ThesoundChannelproperty is the channel through which sound is played. The sound must have been generated by theplaycommand. Theplay command operates on the current sound channel. By immediately switching channels and playing new sounds, several sounds can be played nearly simultaneously. Unfortunately I cannot get Hypercard to spin off a standalone to play Oh, Why are we waiting? on QT instruments that will run on any reasonably contemporary operating system . . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?
stephen barncard wrote: Jacque: By done in the terminal does that mean it can't be done by shell() ? Oh no, you can do anything in shell that you can do in Terminal. Done in Terminal is my personal, all-inclusive term for the command line. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
David Bovill wrote: I agree with Bob here Richard. On 20 May 2010 19:00, Bob Sneidar bobs at twft.com wrote: RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. It is not exclusivity that is being asked for. It does not matter that Rev was offered for one platform or many. It does not matter that the same game are developed for iPhone and other platforms - exclusivity is not at all the issue. The issue is control. Control to ensure that the lockin does not migrate to any software platform that is offering pan-platform middleware - whether that be Adobe or RunRev. The fear is that cross platform development incentivises prioritising the lowest common development, and the largest installed user base - which by most accounts will soon be Android. Apple thinks it has an edge by competing on the basis of design quality and constant innovation in the hardware and OS - which it needs to trickle down to developers. If a tool maker does not implement the latest features fast enough then the cutting edge products are dragged down waiting for the tool makers to implement features, which they are only motivated to do when the market is big enough. So the fear, which is justified IMO, is in lock-in to proprietary middle ware that Apple does not and cannot control. It seems this post got lost in the shuffle: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-May/140366.html Not every app needs coverflow. What most of the world needs is well supported by most OSes. That's what we do here with Rev: make a lot of people happy delivering the features they need, regardless which OS they use. And that's what we'll be doing with mobile OSes too. I agree it's unfortunate that Steve is locking iPhone customers out of the thousands of vertical-market apps that the rest of the world will enjoy, but if Kevin can't convince him to play ball I don't imagine I could either. Steve is free to be Steve, and I'm free to choose profitable deployment options. ;) I'll step out on a limb to predict that within three years Steve will get over himself and lighten up on this unprecedented restriction. But I'll go further to suggest that by then it'll be too late to help him. The question I am asking is are there not other ways to square the circle - and would open source be one of those ways? If it were then you might expect some of those iPhone platforms that export modifiable / open source code to be accepted some time soon. Are there other ways in which a HyperCard like app can be created which does not involve lock-in out side of Apples control? Sure: deploy to Android. :) On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app Bento, Numbers, or GameSalad. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
On 20/05/2010 22:10, Peter Alcibiades wrote: snip Someplace in Cupertino there is Politbureau sayinging no, life is as it was in 1985 Alas, it is not. No, it isn't 1985; but in North Korea it is somewhere round about 1950; in China it is a real case of mixed calendars, and in Venezuela they are trying Back to the future. The fact that this happens in socking great companies as well does not surprise me in the slightest. They shot Stalin and Beria; only to replace him with Khruschev; who, while looking plausible was the man who supervised the slave labourers (political dissidents) building the Moscow Metro, and used to whip his pistol out and shoot people who flagged. Hitler saved somebody the bother; the West had a jolly show trial and shot a lot of totalitarian types; but let Spain go on its foul way under Franco until he died. So; as Apple seems very much a top-down sort of organisation, replacing Steve Jobs would only mean finding another of the same. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Be fair, these are not *general purpose* interpreters. There are many calculator apps, if you want to go this way. On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app Bento, Numbers, or GameSalad. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
David, Not sure if there was a Rodeo question or something in there, but I will try to clarify, etc. Rodeo is not a hosting package. We host your LIST code and translate it into iPad web app pages. You don't get an ftp addess or anything like that, so, no it's not a standard On-Rev package. I have mentioned On-Rev, etc because we like the technology and recommend it. We are also using it for Rodeo at this very moment, and we are in discussion with Kevin to throw more resources at it for our users, based on demand, of course. I'm not sure I understand what you're going for here. You do or don't have a gazillion users and you need or don't need a beefy server solution. You're heard: If you build it they will come? There's a better one: If they come, you'll be able to build it. Money. It's about the money. Get some money and you can do whatever you want. There's some great stuff out there. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 20, 2010, at 2:13 PM, David Bovill wrote: On 20 May 2010 19:21, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Absolutely. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon Ok. Still would be good to get some detail. As far as I can tell at the moment Rodeo is: 1. offered on a standard On-Rev hosting package. 2. but it is on a dedicated server 3. it will be possible to arrange further traditional load balancing and add extra servers as demand requires 4. that we can expect such an infrastructure to cope with several thousand users at a time, but probably not hundreds of thousands of concurrent users. It would be interesting to know the details because having a clear migration path that On-Rev users can plan for is a particular issue - because it is not quite so straight forwards to migrate an On_Rev application to other hosting - though hopefully the revServer package will make this easier. In terms of cost, the point I am making is that you get good capacity for free for instance with Amazon SimpleDB, and you don;t have to do anything to scale it - just pay for the actual usage. N-tier requires a hundred if not thousands of pounds up front. Also if you need to plan for many hundreds of thousands of concurrent users - then again something like SimpleDB or the equivalent becomes an interesting option. These options were not available to developers until very recently. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
François Chaplais wrote: Be fair, these are not *general purpose* interpreters. There are many calculator apps, if you want to go this way. On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app Bento, Numbers, or GameSalad. True, and if SDK 4 had specifically excluded only Turing-complete languages these exceptions would be more easily understood. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revLet: what url am I?
Playing with a revLet: put the revletParams of this stack into someArray combine someArray with CR and tab put $HTTP_HOST CR CR someArray into someText answer someText But I am not getting anything for $HTTP_HOST it looks like that global is not supported. This is what I get for the globals: gRevAppIcon gRevSmallAppIcon $JAVA_JVM_VERSION $XRE_BINARY_PATH $XUL_APP_FILE $NO_EM_RESTART $XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES $XRE_START_OFFLINE $XRE_PROFILE_NAME $XRE_PROFILE_LOCAL_PATH $XRE_PROFILE_PATH $MOZ_LAUNCHED_CHILD $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_STRINGS_OVERRIDE $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DATA_DIRECTORY $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_2 $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_1 $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_0 $COMMAND_MODE $SECURITYSESSIONID $Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render $SSH_AUTH_SOCK $DISPLAY $LOGNAME $USER $HOME $SHELL $TMPDIR $PATH $# Can't see anything that is going to give the url of the actual revLet - $HOME and $PATH give the same thing - a realtive path on the server! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
On 20 May 2010, at 16:46, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/ iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. Important distinction - Runrev offered to do a *dev environment* that would build exclusively for the iPhone/iPad. At no point has Runrev (to my knowledge) offered to build something equivalent to Hypercard *ON* the iPad. Probably because it would immediately fall foul of 'no interpreted code' and would be a end-user product in the first place. At the moment the only way I can see a Hypercard equivalent on the iPad would be if it then used Webkit as a VM, so in effect it's output would be HTML/JS/CSS. Which would then make it rather hard to transfer stacks to other people. Jerry's eventual plan for an iPad front-end to edit Rodeo apps online is about the closest I've heard of from anyone, on this list or anywhere else. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote: Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal was rejected. 16% of the market that make up half the mobile web traffic and (at least back in January) an estimated 97% of all mobile app sales. http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-have-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange behavior in the IDE
Very good advice. Thank you. I was cooking pancakes on a piece of tin foil when I started this thing. Now I have a non-stick griddle. Or at least a griddle (better practices) and real butter (this list). My IDE behaves fine after starting a new project. And alot of the later code I wrote was very good, and would not necessarily need to be rewritten. I think my weekend all-nighter project is going to be re-writing the rest. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Strange-behavior-in-the-IDE-tp2223808p2225248.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: what url am I?
David, Have a look at this http://qurl.tk/av -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 20 mei 2010, at 21:37, David Bovill wrote: Playing with a revLet: put the revletParams of this stack into someArray combine someArray with CR and tab put $HTTP_HOST CR CR someArray into someText answer someText But I am not getting anything for $HTTP_HOST it looks like that global is not supported. This is what I get for the globals: gRevAppIcon gRevSmallAppIcon $JAVA_JVM_VERSION $XRE_BINARY_PATH $XUL_APP_FILE $NO_EM_RESTART $XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES $XRE_START_OFFLINE $XRE_PROFILE_NAME $XRE_PROFILE_LOCAL_PATH $XRE_PROFILE_PATH $MOZ_LAUNCHED_CHILD $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_STRINGS_OVERRIDE $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DATA_DIRECTORY $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_2 $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_1 $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_0 $COMMAND_MODE $SECURITYSESSIONID $Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render $SSH_AUTH_SOCK $DISPLAY $LOGNAME $USER $HOME $SHELL $TMPDIR $PATH $# Can't see anything that is going to give the url of the actual revLet - $HOME and $PATH give the same thing - a realtive path on the server! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revLet: fetching a url
This really should work - what am I doing wrong? on mouseUp if the optionkey is Down then put Hello World! into fld 1 else put url http://www.google.com; into fld 1 end if end mouseUp I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one field. It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet include the internet library and the network access in security settings. But no go??? The stack can be found here: go to stack url http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev; and the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: what url am I?
Thanks Mark - I'm wandering if I should file access to the more usual Apache environment globals as a feature request? On 20 May 2010 21:23, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.comwrote: David, Have a look at this http://qurl.tk/av ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: what url am I?
Hi David, I don't think so, because a revlet runs locally, not on the server. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 20 mei 2010, at 22:39, David Bovill wrote: Thanks Mark - I'm wandering if I should file access to the more usual Apache environment globals as a feature request? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: what url am I?
So does HTML :) On 20 May 2010 21:42, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.comwrote: Hi David, I don't think so, because a revlet runs locally, not on the server. Anyway it is useful. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rodeo: 2 questions
Andre- Thursday, May 20, 2010, 9:49:57 AM, you wrote: David, I don't think you'll reach problems of scalability that easily. Twitter and Facebook have scalability issues, you'll probably be fine for months before reaching scaling issues even if you're really successful. Twitter, Digg, Reddit, etc are indeed reaching the scalability limits of their databases, and are moving into the NOSQL world of Cassandra, Hadoop, CouchDB... but you need to up at the level of shoveling around petabytes of data before you need to start dealing with those issues. And dealing with NOSQL databases means you need to know your data formats and how you're going to be using them before you start, because once you slice and denormalize your data into various storage compartments you lose things like the ability to do adhoc searching. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Cloud databases and scalability (was Rodeo: 2 questions)
On 20 May 2010 21:52, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Twitter, Digg, Reddit, etc are indeed reaching the scalability limits of their databases, and are moving into the NOSQL world of Cassandra, Hadoop, CouchDB... but you need to up at the level of shoveling around petabytes of data before you need to start dealing with those issues. And dealing with NOSQL databases means you need to know your data formats and how you're going to be using them before you start, because once you slice and denormalize your data into various storage compartments you lose things like the ability to do adhoc searching. Thanks for the input Mark - terabytes of data is not likely, and would also be expensive. The biggest real world problem is lots of concurrent users. For a live event - for instance something that would be promoted on TV, you might get a lot of users in one go - then nothing. Amazon SimpleDB seems an interesting way to cope with one off high capacity surges like this at very low cost (as long as the data fields are small). Can anyone advise on how you would do a stress test to replicate say 100,000 concurrent users - are their tool kits or a company perhaps that is set up to do that sort of thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Ian Wood wrote: On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote: Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal was rejected. 16% of the market that make up half the mobile web traffic and (at least back in January) an estimated 97% of all mobile app sales. http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-have-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( The night is young. :) That same Gartner report also notes: 82% of downloads will be free apps this year http://www.dailytech.com/Gartner+Predicts+62B+in+Mobile+App+Sales+for+2010/article17444.htm Other Gartner reports: Gartner: Android outsold iPhone in the US http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/19/gartner.sees.android.passing.iphone.worldwide.soon/ Android to overtake iPhone in 2012 - analyst Symbian still on top, but BlackBerry down http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/09/android_2012_gartner/ That said, if there's a case to be made that RunRev is on a fool's errand chasing the mobile market and should instead focus on their desktop product, I wouldn't be disappointed. Most of my own mobile plans revolve around JavaScript, and aside from the top 100 apps in Apple's AppStore my desktop apps make far more than the other 200,000 iPhone apps out there, as I noted here on the 4th: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-May/139105.html Computers will be around for a while. In fact, a desktop computer is listed as one of the system requirements for the iPad. This new emerging mobile market offers many worthwhile opportunities to compliment deployment across many different computing devices. So much change is in the air I wouldn't bet the farm on any one device from any one manufacturer. The night is young -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Speaking of Android, Google, and Owning The World...
Microsoft and Apple have been trying to get into your living room for years, with a variety of television-oriented products. Now Google thinks it can succeed where other computer companies have seen only middling success. The company announced a new set-top box platform here Thursday: Google TV will marry television and the web, so users can search and view both TV and web videos with a single click. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/google-introduces-google-tv/ http://www.logitech.com/en-us/1005/7099?WT.ac=gtv|7144|nav_home Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: fetching a url
On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, David Bovill wrote: This really should work - what am I doing wrong? on mouseUp if the optionkey is Down then put Hello World! into fld 1 else put url http://www.google.com; into fld 1 end if end mouseUp I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one field. It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet include the internet library and the network access in security settings. But no go??? The stack can be found here: go to stack url http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev; and the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html David, In the standalone settings Web tab, did you check the Network box? I believe that in order to access urls outside of your own domain the user has to grant permission. HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: what url am I?
David, HTML is indeed rendered locally, which is why you can't use server environment veriables in HTML. If you want to parse environment variables, you need to use PHP, ASP, Perl or irev for instance. Moreover, the environment variables that are listed by the globals function are set locally, not by the server. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 20 mei 2010, at 22:45, David Bovill wrote: So does HTML :) On 20 May 2010 21:42, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi David, I don't think so, because a revlet runs locally, not on the server. Anyway it is useful. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: fetching a url
Yes - network permissions are on, and the Internet Library selected OSX 10.6.3 go to stack url http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev; and the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html On 20 May 2010 22:14, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, David Bovill wrote: This really should work - what am I doing wrong? on mouseUp if the optionkey is Down then put Hello World! into fld 1 else put url http://www.google.com; into fld 1 end if end mouseUp I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one field. It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet include the internet library and the network access in security settings. But no go??? The stack can be found here: go to stack url http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev; and the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html David, In the standalone settings Web tab, did you check the Network box? I believe that in order to access urls outside of your own domain the user has to grant permission. HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revLet: what url am I?
On 20 May 2010 22:14, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.comwrote: HTML is indeed rendered locally, which is why you can't use server environment veriables in HTML. Hi I was sort of joking - but really you have HTTP headers like HTTP referrer - so that the browser can tell where the hell the HTML came from - similarly revTalk will sometmes need to know the url the original stack came from. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading an old Hypercard document #1
I don't think it used QT instruments. They had some funny system in which they had a sound sample and then did some sort of pitch-bending to generate all the tonal values for that particular instrument (which I think was confined to flute, harsichord and boing). Judy On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Unfortunately I cannot get Hypercard to spin off a standalone to play Oh, Why are we waiting? on QT instruments that will run on any reasonably contemporary operating system . . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Speaking of Android, Google, and Owning The World...
Microsoft and Apple have been trying to get into your living room for years, with a variety of television-oriented products. Now Google thinks it can succeed where other computer companies have seen only middling success. The company announced a new set-top box platform here Thursday: Google TV will marry television and the web, so users can search and view both TV and web videos with a single click. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/google-introduces-google-tv/ http://www.logitech.com/en-us/1005/7099?WT.ac=gtv|7144|nav_home My Favorite Quote: If Google didnt act, we face a draconian future. One man, one company, one device would control our future, Gundotra told attendees at the conference, making a clear swipe at Apple without mentioning Apple by name. If you believe in openness and choice, welcome to Android. Something else of interest is that there are either just arriving or forthcoming Android devices that include HDMI. Now what's also interesting about HDMI is that the forthcoming 1.4 spec also includes support for ethernet traffic. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com Mirye Community NING http://miryesoftware.ning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revLet: dynamic resizing when browser window resizes
Created a stack with the geometry manager so that the field resizes. Uploaded it as a revLet and modified the HTML so that the width and height are 80% instead of fixed numbers: object classid=CLSID:B2EC94AF-4716-4300-824A-3314BF23664A width=80% height=80% param name=src value=Test.revlet/ param name=stack value=Test/ param name=requestedName value=/ param name=instanceID value=/ embed type=application/x-revolution src=Test.revlet width=80% height=80% stack=Test requestedName= instanceID= /embed /object It resizes nicely - but it does not load nicely. Any ideas how to fix the loading so it resizes to the appropriate size? You can see the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: HyperCard for the iPad
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-ha ve-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( Still seems room for bogus assumptions here. I havent had a conversation yet with iPhone users who also buy stuff (there are plenty who simply do not buy anything) that hasn't included them lamenting all the useless crap available on the App Store. There are also, I believe a lot of apps which are basically a type of reader for web content, like CNN Mobile - at best something that would be a desktop widget. Im sure all the staff picks and even some actual best sellers are quite good, but I don't believe they represent the bulk of what's available. The more I hear about 200K+ apps, the more I think its 99% limited value and 1% gems (and I have to admit, Ive seen some cool apps the the iPhone). I suspect there will be a crap value on Android, and its possible a large portion of their current 50K+ apps are crap too. But I think someone needs to put a pin in value expectation party hog of 200K apps (or 50K+ apps for that matter). A sort of comparision - I have worked closely with eGames in the past. eGames is the biggest value games producer in the US, based on titles - the biggest supplier of rack jobs. You can buy a disk pack of their stuff for $10 and get something like 500 casual games. I am certain the number of titles they produce entirely dwarfs the likes of Apple and Microsoft. But those numbers do not mean eGames as a software company represents greater value in the software market than Apple or Microsoft. Were I to deploy on Android, I don't think Id be focusing on how many crap apps I can push out there. Instead, Id produce a few apps that have great singular value and uniqueness that I can then market over the hundreds of crap apps that are out there. Think about interesting IP like Plants vs Zombies or Spore, where you are selling sizzle. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)
Surfing, I found this just now: http://www.un4seen.com/ It looks like it's exactly what we've been talking about. Is it real? sqb On 20 May 2010 11:19, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.comwrote: Again I stress that if we try to put too much 'stuff' into this library (read: special effects) that it will distract from getting a solid foundation for us to build on. Rather than insisting on the inclusion of arbitrary, possibly lower-quality reverbs and time stretchers, I would ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Ian, Not surprisingly, I happen to agree with you. I would go so far as to say Rodeo is what people like the original HyperCard team would have done today. Thanks to the kick starters and a modest upsurge in tRev purchases, we have made enough progress on Rodeo to get something in people's hand sooner than we originally thought. We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane so you can see the fruits of your labor as you code. And don't forget, you can edit your code on the iPad as well as on your Mac. At this point, the iPad is much better suited for tweaking Rodeo apps. I have to say that the LIST scripts are super simple to write, as the iPad target has narrowed the task at hand. We're having fun with this. As exciting as the technology is, I'm even more excited by the career value this will have for thousands of educators, custom developers and even small teams or classes of developers. We are headed for simple, mobile cloud-based development AND deployment for the rest of us. Since the Rodeo team is situated on opposite sides of the globe, we're building in development/test environments and code check-in/out from the get-go. Lone developers, teams and class rooms alike are going to love going to the Rodeo! Rodeo developers who want to share or distribute their apps are all set with several nice options via the web, email, Twitter and some SMS systems. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk wrote: Jerry's eventual plan for an iPad front-end to edit Rodeo apps online is about the closest I've heard of from anyone, on this list or anywhere else. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Recently, Jerry Daniels wrote: We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane so you can see the fruits of your labor as you code. Maybe I misunderstood some information I read somewhere (not sure if it was a post or one of your videos) but I thought you mentioned something about final iPad apps being delivered as binaries (executables). Is this your (eventual) plan or did I imagine this and Rodeo apps will operate as Web pages? Thanks for the clarification -- after seeing a number of posts here, I think this would be useful for other folks to know besides myself, who suffers from memory loss. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
Hey, Scott! Happy to clarify. Gods willing, we will eventually have an app in the app store that is essentially a browser shell that runs Rodeo web apps. We can then roll anyone else's web pages into an app for them for submission to the app store. Apps with open-ended, unpredictable content are not well received by the app store police, however...so it might have to be an app-app, if you follow me. Clearer? Short term, we're not trying to boil the ocean with our efforts. We just want to get people coding in Rodeo as quickly as we can, even if it's only to create simple apps. Thus my current emphasis on using the web browser on the iPad to deliver Rodeo apps. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Recently, Jerry Daniels wrote: We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane so you can see the fruits of your labor as you code. Maybe I misunderstood some information I read somewhere (not sure if it was a post or one of your videos) but I thought you mentioned something about final iPad apps being delivered as binaries (executables). Is this your (eventual) plan or did I imagine this and Rodeo apps will operate as Web pages? Thanks for the clarification -- after seeing a number of posts here, I think this would be useful for other folks to know besides myself, who suffers from memory loss. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Google NativeClient / Rev
Another interesting deployment option on the horizon: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/MarkDeLoura/20100519/5195/Google_IO_2010__Native_Client_Unity__Chrome_Web_Store.php In a nutshell, this allows you to write C / C++ code to run in Chrome without any plugin. For those of us who don't code from scratch in C/C++, that means dev tools like RunRev could run natively inside the browser -- no more browser plugin needed. Rev would stand to gain a lot from this if Chrome can get its installed base up...___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
