Re: RevWeb environment: foreign languages support
Merci André ! Le 12 sept. 2010 à 17:49, Andre Rombauts a écrit : I have download ans install RevWeb... and after... Nothing happen ! What really is RevWeb ? Normal: RevWeb is a plugin to display revlets, RunRev applications made to be run from a html page. There are fine samples on the site. This one, for instance: http:// revmedia.runrev.com/revWeb-samples/sketch -- André Rombauts, Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-3 Build 1020 on MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569) Fléron, Liège (BE) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ReactOS and RunRev ?
Has anybody tried running a Windows version of RunRev on ReactOS? http://www.reactos.org/en/about.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Print Field error in Standalone
To date I have been unable to print a field named Results I am using Enterprise 4.5.0 on a Mac 10.6.4 to produce a Standalone for Windows PC. on Mouseup revPrintField the name of field Results end Mouseup Works in Mac Standalone, not Windows. I have problem solved EVERYTHING! I had checked Fonts were Windows appropriate, Size and Color. Color has been set to Web Safe 00 Black. In the standalone the text shows as black and prints as black on my Mac. In Windows... NOTHING WORKS - Prints BLANK pages !! I tried a little test. I told the print button to put the field contents into a field on a New Stack then print. on Mouseup Put field Results into A Open stack Printing Put A into field Results revPrintField the name of field Results end Mouseup I have found that the text when inputed into the new field on the new stack is invisible (white) until highlighted Somewhere between getting the field Results data which is set to Web Safe 00 Black the data is being changed to white? What can I do to the following script to tell Windows that what I am printing is to be BLACK!! on Mouseup revPrintField the name of field Results end Mouseup Going insaneThank you.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reducing flash with revVideoGrabber - any suggestions?
I'm working on a kiosk which will regularly record short clips of video. At a certain point in the sequence I open the video grabber and start previewing the video; subsequently I start recording, then switch back to preview, then close the VG altogether. Rinse, repeat. Each time the VG is initialised, the VG rectangle goes white for approximately three quarters of a second. Unfortunately in our design the screen is mostly very dark, so the white shows up really strongly. I've tried various things to reduce this - eg tying the video grabber to a featureless borderless sub-stack the size of the video rectangle, and hiding it, putting it offscreen, or putting it behind the mainstack while it initialises. Most of these fail altogether. The best I've managed to do is with the substack hidden; initialise the VG, start previewing, and give it a full second before showing the substack (I've noticed when the video actually starts, it also sometimes (?) appears dark, and takes a few frames to come to a balance - presumably this is down to the camera). Doing it this way I still get a white flash, but it's extremely short. Although the substack is hidden, the flash appears where the substack is. So I can manipulate the position of the flash, by moving the hidden substack before I initialise the VG, and then moving the substack into the correct position immediately before making it visible, after the VG has had its second to 'warm up'. If the hidden substack is moved entirely offscreen, then the whole thing fails; there's no flash, but when the substack is moved back into position and shown, there's no video either, just a white rectangle. However, if the hidden substack is partially onscreen, partially off, then the white flash is limited to the area-that-would-be-visible-if-the-substack-wasn't-hidden, and when the substack moved to the correct position and shown, it all works correctly. Hence the best I've managed to do is move the the substack so far off the bottom right of the screen that there's just one pixel it of it onscreen; the white flash is then reduced to a single pixel. Unfortunately because the overall design of the kiosk is very dark, this is still visible - but a lot less intrusive than what we started with. Although having to warm up the VG a second before I want to use it is a bore I can easily fairly easily accomodate this within the control flow. So I do now have a reasonable workaround (confession: I hadn't got this far when I started writing this email). But is this the best one can do? Is there a better approach altogether that I've missed? (The obviously completely different approach is to initialise the VG once when the kiosk launches, and leave it running all day, hiding and showing the preview/record stack as necessary. However this is going to be in a high-traffic and high-profile location, from launch, and there's not long before launch; so I'm nervous about doing this without more time for soak testing, given various anecdotes I've heard about drifting sync etc. But if there's contrary experience that this can work reliably, I'd be interested to hear about that also.) Many thanks, Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reducing flash with revVideoGrabber - any suggestions?
AFAIK - you've done the best that you can do with rev based hacks. Maybe you could contact Kevin and ask for the source code? I think there are a few other people that would really like this external improved and it would make a great open source project - especially if you could put a small ransom on it? On 13 September 2010 12:32, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote: I'm working on a kiosk which will regularly record short clips of video. At a certain point in the sequence I open the video grabber and start previewing the video; subsequently I start recording, then switch back to preview, then close the VG altogether. Rinse, repeat. Each time the VG is initialised, the VG rectangle goes white for approximately three quarters of a second. Unfortunately in our design the screen is mostly very dark, so the white shows up really strongly. I've tried various things to reduce this - eg tying the video grabber to a featureless borderless sub-stack the size of the video rectangle, and hiding it, putting it offscreen, or putting it behind the mainstack while it initialises. Most of these fail altogether. The best I've managed to do is with the substack hidden; initialise the VG, start previewing, and give it a full second before showing the substack (I've noticed when the video actually starts, it also sometimes (?) appears dark, and takes a few frames to come to a balance - presumably this is down to the camera). Doing it this way I still get a white flash, but it's extremely short. Although the substack is hidden, the flash appears where the substack is. So I can manipulate the position of the flash, by moving the hidden substack before I initialise the VG, and then moving the substack into the correct position immediately before making it visible, after the VG has had its second to 'warm up'. If the hidden substack is moved entirely offscreen, then the whole thing fails; there's no flash, but when the substack is moved back into position and shown, there's no video either, just a white rectangle. However, if the hidden substack is partially onscreen, partially off, then the white flash is limited to the area-that-would-be-visible-if-the-substack-wasn't-hidden, and when the substack moved to the correct position and shown, it all works correctly. Hence the best I've managed to do is move the the substack so far off the bottom right of the screen that there's just one pixel it of it onscreen; the white flash is then reduced to a single pixel. Unfortunately because the overall design of the kiosk is very dark, this is still visible - but a lot less intrusive than what we started with. Although having to warm up the VG a second before I want to use it is a bore I can easily fairly easily accomodate this within the control flow. So I do now have a reasonable workaround (confession: I hadn't got this far when I started writing this email). But is this the best one can do? Is there a better approach altogether that I've missed? (The obviously completely different approach is to initialise the VG once when the kiosk launches, and leave it running all day, hiding and showing the preview/record stack as necessary. However this is going to be in a high-traffic and high-profile location, from launch, and there's not long before launch; so I'm nervous about doing this without more time for soak testing, given various anecdotes I've heard about drifting sync etc. But if there's contrary experience that this can work reliably, I'd be interested to hear about that also.) Many thanks, Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Data Grid Helper is on the road for open beta test
I forgot to mention that DGH works on mac and windows, Revolution 4.0 or 4.5. Untested with version 3.5, but should work as well. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Print Field error in Standalone
On 9/13/10 3:03 AM, Brent Summerton wrote: What can I do to the following script to tell Windows that what I am printing is to be BLACK!! on Mouseup revPrintField the name of field Results end Mouseup Have you already set the textcolor of the field to black before printing? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships. Bob On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Jacque, It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?) both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the 'others' were getting the boot. More for ME, they chimed with knowing wink and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc.. They were on Apple's side fanning away. Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their fickleness cost me business. But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake again. I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at all sure he's as loved as he once may have been. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how to totally make Kevin's day
Apple's decision may be good news for Runrev but I hope their change of heart does not distract Runrev from cleaning up RevWeb and releasing it...please? It just stinks having to use all of these 'groups' vs multiple stacks. The option menu's need help too. RevWeb is such a great feature...just needs some clean-up. jim schaubeck 714.321.4499 -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:39 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: how to totally make Kevin's day Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships. Bob On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Jacque, It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?) both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the 'others' were getting the boot. More for ME, they chimed with knowing wink and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc.. They were on Apple's side fanning away. Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their fickleness cost me business. But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake again. I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at all sure he's as loved as he once may have been. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac OS X Textured Button custom control
I believe it's a speed related issue. The same thing applies to using my Expert Mouse Trackpad from Kensington. Slow clicks work, fast clicks do not seem to work well in revolution. Perhaps it is an issue with a foreign mouse driver, such as a trackpad or trackball might use. I don't seem to see this problem anywhere else except for Revolution, but then Rev is doing special stuff trying to trap and handle events and what have you, so no surprise there. Bob On Sep 11, 2010, at 3:40 AM, theworcestersource.com wrote: Hi Bob, I've had a little look into this and something rather odd seems to be happening. What I've noticed is that on my MacBook, if I press the trackpad button down, the button gets a mouseUp message. If I just tap it lightly, the message isn't sent. This is probably linked to the problem that you have. Does anybody know of any issues with mouseUp. I vaguely remember some comments on mouseUp not being fired in earlier versions of Rev. I could always rework the code to do everything on mouseDown but again, am aware that doing it this way isn't supposed to be the best approach to take. Thanks, Steve -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Mac-OS-X-Textured-Button-custom-control-tp2527471p2535562.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 'managed' that 'Apple' is nothing but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of 'mistake'; howver, you can be sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative trick to set everybody's teeth on edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more or less than a big 'B'; you have to be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for anyone beyond his firm. I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners. For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. Mutual respect is the first phrase that springs to mind. Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the iPad are NOT married to Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement. Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's relationships with his 1008 lovers there, and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs to the post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 developers out there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their *s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having pooed all over those developers, and he now comes cap in hand to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 'magic circle' is no reason to forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve as a lasting warning that we are dealing with a wolf. Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat world of computer programming (hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not that much competition) for quite some time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website would have us believe. I, for one, do not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he is down on his knees sending prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping to cast his darshan on RunRev. Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major players makes next. I am so very, very glad it is him, not me. Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as Linux, Haiku (gosh, I wish they would speed up - Andre ?), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one struggling to get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other unpredictable factors -- Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had enough of these]. Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an announcement: The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being no member of staff qualified to drive it. Open Source has those sorts of moments sometimes. --- there is a shortage of dictatorial types such as Jobs, Gates and Ballmer. On 9/13/10 7:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships. Bob On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Jacque, It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?) both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the 'others' were getting the boot. More for ME, they chimed with knowing wink and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc.. They were on Apple's side fanning away. Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their fickleness cost me business. But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake again. I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at all sure he's as loved as he once may have been. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gayjac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: When everything fell through this last spring, an
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
On 9/13/10 8:40 PM, Jim Schaubeck wrote: Apple's decision may be good news for Runrev but I hope their change of heart does not distract Runrev from cleaning up RevWeb and releasing it...please? It just stinks having to use all of these 'groups' vs multiple stacks. The option menu's need help too. RevWeb is such a great feature...just needs some clean-up. Funnily enough, I am extremely grateful to the fact that RevWeb was crappy at the start: I tried to release a version of my Devawriter as a web-let (Cor! Naive as a cabbage!); and fell well foul of the substacks SNAFU. Went away and thunk a lot. Tried again where all those substacks were implemented as cards. Fairly awful . . . Tried again where each substack/card was implemented as a layer of images where the vis was tripped back and forth. Awful revlet . . . but Significantly more efficient stack to turn into normal standalones. -- A long time ago I tried programming on my BBC Micro Master Compact, and, with 96k RAM, no hard-disk (well, to be honest, I knew what a tape drive was, but a hard-disk; give me a break), and Yay-small floppies, one had to do marvels in a minimum of incredibly economic code. Now that we are in the age of bloat-ware, we forget those virtues. Crappy RevWeb forced me to return to them, and for that I will always be grateful. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how to totally make Kevin's day
I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners. For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. Mutual respect is the first phrase that springs to mind. You've been married how long and your wife hasn't already dominated you and squashed you? What's the deal? :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
nprevweb makes my Safari crash!
I tested today my revlet page on my On-Rev web site -- trying to access a page containing a revlet makes my Safari crash! Safari 5.0.1 Mac OS X 10.6.4 iMac Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06 GHz the revlets page: http://medard.on-rev.com/RevWeb/index.irev I wonder if the nprevweb module is compatible with the new extension scheme beginning with Safari 5... ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
Nice use of big words and phrases. I am overwhelmed. :-) But it still doesn't get around to addressing the issue that you leave Steve no means of redeeming himself, or making things right. I find this approach extremely dictatorial in it's own right, and Steve never even told you he LIKED you, never mind that he wanted to go beyond a first date! pokes Richmond in the ribs with his own stick of redirection. A old wise old professor named A. E. Wilder-Smith (6 earned doctorates and countless lectures and debates under his belt) once told me that it's no good leaving an opponent in a debate without a way of escape. We are trying to win minds, not arguments. he would say. I've had to really bite my tongue at times to try to follow that advice throughout my life. And by the way, your use of words to paint the picture of Steve Jobs as a ravening wolf is certainly very skilled, but reminds me of the unsavory practice of the modern media, of finding the most unflattering photos of a politician they really dislike, and only then printing those amidst words that describe what the politician in the photo might be like, instead of treating the facts of the article with the objectiveness they claim for themselves. Just an observation. Bob On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Richmond wrote: Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 'managed' that 'Apple' is nothing but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of 'mistake'; howver, you can be sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative trick to set everybody's teeth on edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more or less than a big 'B'; you have to be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for anyone beyond his firm. I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners. For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. Mutual respect is the first phrase that springs to mind. Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the iPad are NOT married to Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement. Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's relationships with his 1008 lovers there, and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs to the post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 developers out there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their *s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having pooed all over those developers, and he now comes cap in hand to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 'magic circle' is no reason to forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve as a lasting warning that we are dealing with a wolf. Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat world of computer programming (hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not that much competition) for quite some time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website would have us believe. I, for one, do not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he is down on his knees sending prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping to cast his darshan on RunRev. Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major players makes next. I am so very, very glad it is him, not me. Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as Linux, Haiku (gosh, I wish they would speed up - Andre ?), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one struggling to get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other unpredictable factors -- Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had enough of these]. Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an announcement: The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being no member of staff qualified to drive it. Open Source has those sorts of moments sometimes. --- there is a shortage of dictatorial types such as Jobs, Gates and Ballmer. On 9/13/10 7:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
On 9/13/10 9:18 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners. For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. Mutual respect is the first phrase that springs to mind. You've been married how long and your wife hasn't already dominated you and squashed you? What's the deal? :-) 20 years so far! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
On 9/13/10 9:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Nice use of big words and phrases. I am overwhelmed. :-) But it still doesn't get around to addressing the issue that you leave Steve no means of redeeming himself, or making things right. I find this approach extremely dictatorial in it's own right, and Steve never even told you he LIKED you, never mind that he wanted to go beyond a first date!pokes Richmond in the ribs with his own stick of redirection. A old wise old professor named A. E. Wilder-Smith (6 earned doctorates and countless lectures and debates under his belt) once told me that it's no good leaving an opponent in a debate without a way of escape. We are trying to win minds, not arguments. he would say. I've had to really bite my tongue at times to try to follow that advice throughout my life. And by the way, your use of words to paint the picture of Steve Jobs as a ravening wolf is certainly very skilled, but reminds me of the unsavory practice of the modern media, of finding the most unflattering photos of a politician they really dislike, and only then printing those amidst words that describe what the politician in the photo might be like, instead of treating the facts of the article with the objectiveness they claim for themselves. Just an observation. Bob Well; I will take nothing I wrote too seriously, nor anything you wrote as I just had this vision of how wolf-like Steve Jobs looks and everything sort of unfolded from there. Frankly a glass of dry, white wine and a spot of Buxtehude beats thinking about the nastiness of the computer programming business any day . . . :) However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be, despite misdirecting signs, a sharp cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as its boss? I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself: paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after nearly 20 years. On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Richmond wrote: Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 'managed' that 'Apple' is nothing but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of 'mistake'; howver, you can be sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative trick to set everybody's teeth on edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more or less than a big 'B'; you have to be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for anyone beyond his firm. I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners. For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. Mutual respect is the first phrase that springs to mind. Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the iPad are NOT married to Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement. Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's relationships with his 1008 lovers there, and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs to the post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 developers out there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their *s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having pooed all over those developers, and he now comes cap in hand to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 'magic circle' is no reason to forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve as a lasting warning that we are dealing with a wolf. Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat world of computer programming (hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not that much competition) for quite some time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website would have us believe. I, for one, do not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he is down on his knees sending prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping to cast his darshan on RunRev. Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major players makes next. I am so very, very glad it is him, not me. Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as Linux, Haiku (gosh, I wish they would speed up - Andre ?), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one struggling to get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other unpredictable factors -- Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had enough of these]. Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an announcement: The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
I personally think anti-trust investigation prompted by Adobe had more to do with this than our mighty muscle with Jobs. Even if they were not found guilty, the little child position was very damaging publicly. Besides, we programmers are not the most virtuous people in the world. If there is money to be made in programming for the devil's own platform, there will be a lot of programmers lining up. Now back to my Visual Studio project (you can see I lined up...) Neal\ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
On 09/13/2010 09:57 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: I personally think anti-trust investigation prompted by Adobe had more to do with this than our mighty muscle with Jobs. Even if they were not found guilty, the little child position was very damaging publicly. Besides, we programmers are not the most virtuous people in the world. If there is money to be made in programming for the devil's own platform, there will be a lot of programmers lining up. Now, let me see: I've heard of Windows, Linux, Mac OS, UNIX, Sparc, MorphOS, ReactOS, Haiku, and many more; but The Devil's Own has passed me by; Frankly it sounds like the Operating System for me; please, please, do tell all . . . :) Now back to my Visual Studio project (you can see I lined up...) Minor Devil ? Neal\ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
Bob, To me, what you're saying sounds like the something wife-beaters like to say. Beat her up. Tell her how sorry you are and have her forgive you. Then beat her up again. Do any of us really expect any MORE from Jobs? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
On 9/13/10 1:56 PM, Richmond wrote: However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be, despite misdirecting signs, a sharp cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as its boss? Kevin is a very sharp cookie indeed -- but I'm thinking maybe he'd make faster progress if he wore only black turtlenecks in public. I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself: paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after nearly 20 years. Gotcha beat, and we even still like each other. Most of the time, anyway. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
Well it's not like that at all. It's more like she promised not to use the credit card, and then did anyway. After her husband got upset she took the stuff back and got a refund. Is her husband now justified in being angry that she got the refund? THAT is what it is like. My God, people, really? You think a change in a corporation's software distribution policy, and then relaxing it again because of the heat is like wife beating?? Really??? Remind me to never step on your toes. I'll be arrested for murder!! LOL! And what we expect from Steve Jobs is irrelevant. All you have the RIGHT to expect is what he offered to give you for the cash in your pocket, or in Rev's case, what they both agreed upon contractually. This ain't a Marxist totalitarian state, it's free enterprise. (Unless something happened in my sleep...) If Apple takes your money for something, and then defrauds you, they have to give the money back. There may be more damages you can sue for, but once you get to the end of that road, it's a tip of the hat and a good day to you sir, and you go your separate ways. Not saying Steve's decision to lock out certain dev environments was a good one, I thought it sukked (that's an ancient polynesian word that means an act of irresponsibly), but now we are back on the road, save what damages you incurred, which you are welcome to sue for. Sorry to be so contentious, but I think we need a reality check about these odd expectations that seem to have cropped up around Apple or any other independent corporation. They are in business for themselves at the least (although some in the corporation may have higher aspirations to help make the world a better place in the process). That is going to please some people and anger others. Oh well. Bob On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Bob, To me, what you're saying sounds like the something wife-beaters like to say. Beat her up. Tell her how sorry you are and have her forgive you. Then beat her up again. Do any of us really expect any MORE from Jobs? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
Does anyone have a clear-cut way for Rev to know whether it's running in a 32-bit or a 64-bit environment on Windows? Bonus points for being able to identify hardware software 'bits' separately. Many thanks! -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Grouping checkboxes with label fields
I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the content of the information displayed. Here is my question: I want to modify the following group script for checkboxes to display the content of the checkboxes plus the label fields for some of the checkboxes. I have tried grouping the checkboxes that have an additional label fields but that does not work. What changes would I need to make this work both checkboxes that have label fields and those that do not have label fields? on mouseUp put the number of buttons of me into nbr repeat with n = 1 to nbr put the short name of button n of me into tName if not the hilite of button n of me then next repeat put tName , after theList -- put tName cr after theList end repeat delete char -2 to -1 of theList put theList into field list end mouseUp -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Grouping-checkboxes-with-label-fields-tp2538305p2538305.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
To ask the obvious first: we assume you need, in many cases, two lines worth of label for the check box buttons but RunRev does not allow multi-line labels for check buttons. There are many ways to tackle this but if it were me I would add a custom property to each of the buttons with the full text that I wanted to associate with that button, name it something like uMyLabel Then your code could be: on mouseUp put the number of buttons of me into nbr repeat with n = 1 to nbr if (the hilite of button n of me then) put (the uMyLabel of button n of me) , after theList end if end repeat delete char -2 to -1 of theList put theList into field list end mouseUp but then you have the issue of maintenance. What if you want to change the text of the button label? you have to fix the label and the custom property. Another solution could be to make your UI consistent.. and not use custom props. You would programatically generate a label field that holds two lines and place that next to each check box button and name it with a hook to the button, then turn off the name and label of all the buttons. ( I don't know if your GUI has space for single line label button to occupy the same vertical space as 2 liners) First, go ahead and enter the full label text property of all your buttons, don't worry about the space requirement on the GUI level for now. You just want all your data for the same type of object, all in the same targetable location. Next make a label field with all the properties you want them all to have. of course it will be set to wrap and align right, nice background color, text color etc...whatever you want then have a tools button on your UI that you can hide later. on mouseUp set the properties of templateField to the properties of fld MyButtonLabel repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons of this card put (Label_ the short name of button x) into tLabelName create field tLabelName set the topright of fld tLabelName to (item 1 of (the topleft of button x)-4,item 2 of the topleft of button x) # you can move them later or work out the math here to place them correctly put the label of button x into fld tLabelName # turn off the label on the button itself set the showname of btn x to false # Let's now let's make the check boxes small so they are only as wide as the actual check box itself # but this will cause the position to change so we need to get the left first. put the left of btn x into tLeft set the width of btn x to 20 set the left of btn x to tLeft # restore position end Repeat reset templateField end mouseUp Then you get your list like this: on mouseUp put the number of buttons of me into nbr repeat with n = 1 to nbr if (the hilite of button n of me then) put (the Label of button n of me) , after theList end if end repeat delete char -2 to -1 of theList put theList into field list end mouseUp For maintenance you could have a handler in your tools button to update button labels when you change/edit the GUI.. on mouseUp put the number of buttons of me into nbr repeat with n = 1 to nbr set the label of button n of me to fld (Label_ the short name of button x) end repeat end mouseUp many ways to tackle it. Next, since you need to see this in the UI I would programattically generate a small transparent field over each of the buttons just to the right of the check box and set the check box to for consistency On 9/13/10 3:25 PM, charles61 wrote: I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the content of the information displayed. Here is my question: I want to modify the following group script for checkboxes to display the content of the checkboxes plus the label fields for some of the checkboxes. I have tried grouping the checkboxes that have an additional label fields but that does not work. What changes would I need to make this work both checkboxes that have label fields and those that do not have label fields? on mouseUp put the number of buttons of me into nbr repeat with n = 1 to nbr put the short name of button n of me into tName if not the hilite of button n of me then next repeat put tName , after theList -- put tName cr after theList end repeat delete char -2 to -1 of theList put theList into field list end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
On 9/13/10 8:25 PM, charles61 wrote: I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the content of the information displayed. You can add a two-line label if you do it by script: set the label of btn 1 to line one cr line 2 Would that help? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
Cool! I didn't know you could do that. Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email sc...@elementarysoftware.com office 1-800-360-734-4701 -- On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 9/13/10 8:25 PM, charles61 wrote: I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the content of the information displayed. You can add a two-line label if you do it by script: set the label of btn 1 to line one cr line 2 Would that help? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to totally make Kevin's day
On 9/14/10 1:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 9/13/10 1:56 PM, Richmond wrote: However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be, despite misdirecting signs, a sharp cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as its boss? Kevin is a very sharp cookie indeed -- but I'm thinking maybe he'd make faster progress if he wore only black turtlenecks in public. Please, please, NO! I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself: paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after nearly 20 years. Gotcha beat, and we even still like each other. Most of the time, anyway. Wow, that makes me extremely happy! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
