Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Stephen Barncard wrote: Hell, I don't want to start a platform war on this list - the thing is that Rev brings us together - and platform wars are boring and stupid. - Yes, we're all a bit up tight. But I wouldn't call a mildly argumentative discussion war, at least not yet! The great thing about the difficult art of democracy is that we become united through our differences. Though I have no experience of Macs, if I lived in a first-world country, it would be one of the first things I'd buy, hoping that the higher price would bring me advantages in terms of quality and stability. But I don't live in a first world country. Even a much cheaper PC represents a year's salary to the majority of the population. Macs ARE used, but only usually by companies etc. who have the need and the means to make the investment. Until my American neighbour brought back a Mac from the States, I had never even SEEN a Mac! Stephen Barncard wrote: As far as price of Macs in Brazil; I'm sure that Brazil imposes severe tariffs placed on computers from the USA, and I think that the Brazil PC 'manufacturers' would get quite an advantage - even though made from parts from 'over there'. --- I am not disputing what you are saying, because I really don't know. But what I would like to know is why PCs imported from the United States (among other places) do not seem to suffer the same tariffs. (Or is that wrong too?) Of course, if you have good reason for affirming that Brazil imposes severe tariffs placed on computers from the USA, then I would be very interested in knowing what that reason is. The only point I am interested in making is that as far as I see it, PC+Linux is the only viable future solution for ordinary users in a country like Brazil, and I fully intend to help them achieve it. And the more support I get for this movement in terms of reliable programming under the Linux OS, the better I like it. Regards, Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Hi from Paris, Just a minor point about Brazil, apart from it being the most fantastic country. Anything that is imported into Brazil costs an arm and a leg, due to exhorbitant import taxes. The basic idea is, Buy Brazilian (even when it doesn't exist). I remember arriving in Brazil to do a 2 week course, with my course supports, and (because I have had experience with African countries) carrying 20 note pads, 20 rubbers - sorry erasers !, 20 pens, etc. for my students, not forgetting the board markers in many colours. They were all confiscated, because I was told that all these things exist in Brazil, so go out and buy them. The customs even wanted to confiscate 19 of my 20 course supports on the basis that Brazil had photocopying machines !! BUSINESS LOGIC DON'T COUNT !! Don't get me wrong, Brazil has more to offer than inconveniences, and I love the place to bits ! It's just a way to promote local industry. ... but then the protectionist activities of other countries aren't bad either -- I'm shocked! I humbly apologise on behalf of my adopted country. It must have been because of the quantities involved, and they suspected that you really intended to sell them within Brazil before leaving. Is it just a way to promote local industry really, or could it have been some kind of retaliation because of the protectionist practices of other countries? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I wouldn't know about importing stuff, because I haven't had the money to do it for quite a long time now. Anyway, that gets us on to politics, so I'll now try to gracefully bow out of the discussion. The problem is that there is no such thing as a technical, Revolution oriented topic. Everything is embedded. Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Chipp Walters / Richard Gaskin wrote: Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the CompUSA for way less. Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just about any Linux pre-installed system. Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product reasonably priced. On what planet? They didn't get the highest margins in the industry with the most highly compensated CEO by looking out for the customers' bottom line. ;) And the price of the Mac Mini in a 3rd world country like Brazil is almost exactly three times what it is in the United States! In other words, it is only for a tiny affluent (or should that be effluent) elite. Unfortunately, within such business logics, the customers' bottom line is the very last thing to be considered. Now do you understand why the drive towards (reliable programming in) Linux (especially in Brazil) is so imperative? We just want to live on the same planet, that's all! Regarding the file/picture chooser widgets I recently produced, I even considered buying a Mac Mini so that I could help demonstrate the cross platform capacity of Rev by producing a Mac version, besides offering something useful to the Mac users themselves. Needless to say, that dream quickly evaporated, like many others. Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Richard Gaskin /Chipp Walters wrote: Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just about any Linux pre-installed system. Yeah, let me know how Rev on Linux goes. I'm right behind the well-worn path you blaze! Dan Shafer wrote: But as soon as Linux support for Rev is really there and a few other loose pieces drop into place, I'll switch in a red hot minute. - There is hope! (And I am in need of a little therapy.) Thanks boys! Best regards, Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in the US? Is it Apple, local distributors or some kind of tax? Surely, if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic), there's some kind of opportunity for someone there. Best, Mark On 19 Apr 2006, at 18:40, Bob Warren wrote: And the price of the Mac Mini in a 3rd world country like Brazil is almost exactly three times what it is in the United States! In other words, it is only for a tiny affluent (or should that be effluent) elite. Unfortunately, within such business logics, the customers' bottom line is the very last thing to be considered. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
On 19.04.2006, at 07:16, Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Chip, I hape I can say it english as i could in german. Let me try: I dont understand why you are whining so often about the Mac prices and the good old times of great tools. Anf praises the glory of Win all the time. The computer I would get from CompUSA for less $$$ would have a faster processor, more memory, and Windows Media (and remote). There are open source or free versions of the other programs included. I can freely get iTunes on my PC (I have it), and most companies ship some sort of lame-o photo/movie editing package as well. You have to calculate the Hospital costs to. Check real TCO Not only the barebone PC;) Because the eye cancer will come fast with the fast processor, Windows Media and mediocre PcBoxes, when you have to look at it all the day: I remember the good old Mac days , why only remember? Check what happens today! with products like More let us have a look at the Outliners, which I know much better than developer tools. Today we have Mori. (I have more than 2000 Textmodule organized perfectly in a notebook) How would you do that in a Word Dokument, or 2000 Dokuments? Mori (former HBN) is so much better, so much easyier, so much more powerfull and so much cheaper than More... the Win Users told me, nothing comparable on Win to: Devonthink Omni Outliner Cp Notebook Curio Mellel Nisus etc, etc, etc, etc... There is a lot I dont like at Apple, and I would like to see a real Linux competitor (like Dan Shafer) but there isn´t. (May there is, but I did not see it) regards wolfgang bereuter -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps! ... http://www.internettrainer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Mark Smith wrote: Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in the US? Is it Apple, local distributors or some kind of tax? Surely, if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic), there's some kind of opportunity for someone there. -- In all fairness, I should tell you that I last checked the prices when the Mac Mini was first launched. I have just had a look at the current prices. Just about the cheapest place you can buy a computer over the Internet is the Mercado Livre. Apple Brasil themselves are offering the following Mac Mini there: Novo Mac mini 1.66GHz intel core duo/512mb/80HD/ Superdrive The price is R$ 2799.98, which at today's echange rate (0.471698 USD in 1 Real, or 2.12 Reais in 1 Dollar ) works out at about $1320. I should also tell you that Apple Brasil are also announcing other price reductions at the moment. Greater elucidation, I cannot give you. Regards, Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
On comparing the 'Mac Experience' to Linux on an Intel box on price alone -- I can't believe some of the pros here can't tell the difference. And yes, UBUNTU is very good these days. Looks ok on a Mac. But for me, it's not only the OS, but the quality of the hardware (not the lowest bidder). I don't have to screw with it to make it work, and it doesn't crash. For the most part, it all fits together, IMHO. As far as price of Macs in Brazil; I'm sure that Brazil imposes severe tariffs placed on computers from the USA, and I think that the Brazil PC 'manufacturers' would get quite an advantage - even though made from parts from 'over there'. Hell, I don't want to start a platform war on this list - the thing is that Rev brings us together - and platform wars are boring and stupid. sqb Chipp Walters / Richard Gaskin wrote: Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the CompUSA for way less. Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just about any Linux pre-installed system. Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product reasonably priced. On what planet? They didn't get the highest margins in the industry with the most highly compensated CEO by looking out for the customers' bottom line. ;) And the price of the Mac Mini in a 3rd world country like Brazil is almost exactly three times what it is in the United States! In other words, it is only for a tiny affluent (or should that be effluent) elite. Unfortunately, within such business logics, the customers' bottom line is the very last thing to be considered. Now do you understand why the drive towards (reliable programming in) Linux (especially in Brazil) is so imperative? We just want to live on the same planet, that's all! Regarding the file/picture chooser widgets I recently produced, I even considered buying a Mac Mini so that I could help demonstrate the cross platform capacity of Rev by producing a Mac version, besides offering something useful to the Mac users themselves. Needless to say, that dream quickly evaporated, like many others. Bob Warren -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Here, in the UK, the Apple Store offers that machine for 599 UKP, which currently is 1073 USD, 911 without UK tax. The US Apple Store offers it for 799 USD, so it would seem that Apple are charging UK customers a premium of 112 USD. We brits have complained about this for years, but to no avail. I find it hard to believe that Apple are charging Brazilian customers a 521 USD premium, but you never know with Apple. Maybe they figure that only rich Brazilians can afford one anyway, and since rich Brazilians tend to be really, really rich, they might as well really stick it to 'em. :( Mark On 19 Apr 2006, at 19:50, Bob Warren wrote: Mark Smith wrote: Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in the US? Is it Apple, local distributors or some kind of tax? Surely, if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic), there's some kind of opportunity for someone there. -- In all fairness, I should tell you that I last checked the prices when the Mac Mini was first launched. I have just had a look at the current prices. Just about the cheapest place you can buy a computer over the Internet is the Mercado Livre. Apple Brasil themselves are offering the following Mac Mini there: Novo Mac mini 1.66GHz intel core duo/512mb/80HD/ Superdrive The price is R$ 2799.98, which at today's echange rate (0.471698 USD in 1 Real, or 2.12 Reais in 1 Dollar ) works out at about $1320. I should also tell you that Apple Brasil are also announcing other price reductions at the moment. Greater elucidation, I cannot give you. Regards, Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Hi from Paris, Just a minor point about Brazil, apart from it being the most fantastic country. Anything that is imported into Brazil costs an arm and a leg, due to exhorbitant import taxes. The basic idea is, Buy Brazilian (even when it doesn't exist). I remember arriving in Brazil to do a 2 week course, with my course supports, and (because I have had experience with African countries) carrying 20 note pads, 20 rubbers - sorry erasers !, 20 pens, etc. for my students, not forgetting the board markers in many colours. They were all confiscated, because I was told that all these things exist in Brazil, so go out and buy them. The customs even wanted to confiscate 19 of my 20 course supports on the basis that Brazil had photocopying machines !! BUSINESS LOGIC DON'T COUNT !! Don't get me wrong, Brazil has more to offer than inconveniences, and I love the place to bits ! It's just a way to promote local industry. ... but then the protectionist activities of other countries aren't bad either -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in the US? Is it Apple, local distributors or some kind of tax? Surely, if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic), there's some kind of opportunity for someone there. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Mark Smith wrote: Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in the US? Is it Apple, local distributors or some kind of tax? Surely, if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic), there's some kind of opportunity for someone there. -- Just to clarify a little more (at the expense of bloating the UR-List a bit - sorry): If I remember correctly, it was Apple Brasil's own recommended price that was about 3 times the US price originally. Of course, what taxes were invisibly embedded in this price, I cannot say, since VAT and stuff like that is never declared here. And remembering a little better, I think that this price still held up until only a short while ago. Could it be that Apple are at last beginning to see a little light with their very recent drastic price cuts here in Brazil? Or has the Brazilian government decided to punish Apple a little less? We may never know. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Ah, but Chipp, the fly in your ointment (oooh, ugly metaphor) is the word just. The premium buys you (in the best scenario): * more secure Vista * more stable Vista * OS X and all its charms (BTW, I blogged this one at http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/98 On 4/17/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, but you're right, Cringely often is not. Couple serious holes, among them the fact I just bought a Sony Core Duo laptop including 1Gb RAM, DVD read/write, integrated camera, PCMCIA slot and slots for all other 'card media', Fire-wire, and ULTRA-BRITE display for only $1300. You can't touch that for under $2K from Apple. So, there's quite a premium ( 33%) to purchase an Apple laptop just to run Windows. best, Chipp Richard Gaskin wrote: Bob Cringely always has an interesting take on things, as is right about 20 times more often than John Dvorak (which I suppose isn't saying much g). This week he opines about Boot Camp, a fun read -- esp. if you own Apple stock: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060413.html -- -- Chipp Walters www.altuit.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Dan, Vista's not even out and who knows if it ever will be? And even then, who knows what the security issues will be... certainly not our friend Cringely. For me to pay a 33% premium now on _THAT BET_, a computer which doesn't even have a Windows key (yes, I do use the Windows key a bunch), seems like less a fly more like a full-size Steve Jobs in my ointment..I mean my wallet. Of course, for you Mac guys, this makes perfect sense. Mac users always have been willing to pay a premium-- I know, I used to be one of them! And in one sense you are really getting 2 computers in one, if you need them both. I don't. Now, I might think different regarding a Core Duo Mac mini, as you can grab a decent 1GB version for $700 (though that's only a 60Gb drive-- gee wiz Apple, you want to charge me another 100 clams to upgrade to 100Gb drive-- most expensive GB's on the planet but, hey, at least Jesse James wore a mask!) best, Chipp Dan Shafer wrote: Ah, but Chipp, the fly in your ointment (oooh, ugly metaphor) is the word just. The premium buys you (in the best scenario): * more secure Vista * more stable Vista * OS X and all its charms ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the CompUSA for way less. Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product reasonably priced. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Chipp Walters wrote: Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the CompUSA for way less. Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just about any Linux pre-installed system. Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product reasonably priced. On what planet? They didn't get the highest margins in the industry with the most highly compensated CEO by looking out for the customers' bottom line. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Richard Gaskin wrote: Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just about any Linux pre-installed system. Yeah, let me know how Rev on Linux goes. I'm right behind the well-worn path you blaze! -C ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Desktop Linux is becoming a viable alternative. I keep a fairly close eye on that world. But it's not quite there yet. Some software gaps and a few remaining instances of data interchange issues that rear their ugly head from time to time. I'm a Mac guy. Have been since the first Macs shipped. (Literally. I had one of the first 100 or so Macs they shipped; it was a loaner from my publisher.) But as soon as Linux support for Rev is really there and a few other loose pieces drop into place, I'll switch in a red hot minute. On 4/18/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just about any Linux pre-installed system. Yeah, let me know how Rev on Linux goes. I'm right behind the well-worn path you blaze! -C ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
While you would just use it to run Revolution, for people who buy it to do general purpose computing the software included is quite a deal. Not just the OS, but all of the creative apps, Front Row w/ the IR remote etc. http://www.apple.com/macmini/whatsinside.html On Apr 18, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the CompUSA for way less. Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product reasonably priced. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Hi Todd, Todd Higgins wrote: While you would just use it to run Revolution, for people who buy it to do general purpose computing the software included is quite a deal. Not just the OS, but all of the creative apps, Front Row w/ the IR remote etc. The computer I would get from CompUSA for less $$$ would have a faster processor, more memory, and Windows Media (and remote). There are open source or free versions of the other programs included. I can freely get iTunes on my PC (I have it), and most companies ship some sort of lame-o photo/movie editing package as well. Of course, it really is personal preference, but I don't think anyone can really argue price point on Macs. Now, iPods is a totally different thing and I do think they are quite competitively priced. That said, iLife is OK. I've tried it and it's obviously very good for new computer users, (esp iPhoto), but Apple doesn't compete well feature for feature against other programs. I purchased the iWork suite when it came out and I have to say I was underwhelmed. I was even more surprised when it couldn't render brochure designs to html as promised on the package. I do think we've come to expect extraordinary things from Apple, and when they don't deliver, we're quick to disappoint. Though I haven't used it, I've heard GarageBand is very nice. I remember the good old Mac days with products like More, Claris CAD, Claris Impact, none of which have been equalled by *anything* since, for ease-of-use and value proposition. I'm sure MS is to blame for a lot of it. Heck, I really LIKED MacWrite! It was so easy to use and made so much sense from a UI point of view. One point not mentioned about the new BootCamp dual boot option: I wonder how much Adobe's decision not to port Photoshop to Universal binary for 18 months has affected Apple? I mean, if a majority of Mac users use their Macs to do Photo editing and Graphic work w/Photoshop, then that's got to be really bad news for them. Perhaps releasing BootCamp helps convince those users to go ahead and upgrade to Intel Macs and just buy a Windows version of Photoshop (expensive alternative!) best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp, Doesn't Adobe allow you to pay a small fee to 'cross-grade' from one platform to the other? Or was it Macromedia? I'm pretty certain that one of those two companies (now the same one, of course) didn't make it really financially painful to switch platforms... Judy On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Chipp Walters wrote: One point not mentioned about the new BootCamp dual boot option: I wonder how much Adobe's decision not to port Photoshop to Universal binary for 18 months has affected Apple? I mean, if a majority of Mac users use their Macs to do Photo editing and Graphic work w/Photoshop, then that's got to be really bad news for them. Perhaps releasing BootCamp helps convince those users to go ahead and upgrade to Intel Macs and just buy a Windows version of Photoshop (expensive alternative!) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future
Interesting, but you're right, Cringely often is not. Couple serious holes, among them the fact I just bought a Sony Core Duo laptop including 1Gb RAM, DVD read/write, integrated camera, PCMCIA slot and slots for all other 'card media', Fire-wire, and ULTRA-BRITE display for only $1300. You can't touch that for under $2K from Apple. So, there's quite a premium ( 33%) to purchase an Apple laptop just to run Windows. best, Chipp Richard Gaskin wrote: Bob Cringely always has an interesting take on things, as is right about 20 times more often than John Dvorak (which I suppose isn't saying much g). This week he opines about Boot Camp, a fun read -- esp. if you own Apple stock: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060413.html -- -- Chipp Walters www.altuit.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
