Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-07 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Bruce-
 
 Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 8:57:43 PM, you wrote:
 
 Variables were introduced in several different ways beginning with FileMaker
 7 over 2 years ago.
 
 Can you display a variable on a layout? I seem to remember trying this
 and not being able to do it without creating a new calculated field...

You cannot directly display a variable on a layout.

Howver, you can use set field to set for example a global field to hold what
you want.

Also - layouts are dead. The web viewer is where it's at now and a web
viewer can display anything including variables. You can have very dynamic
layouts now.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-05 Thread Mark Wieder
Bruce-

Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 8:57:43 PM, you wrote:

 Variables were introduced in several different ways beginning with FileMaker
 7 over 2 years ago.

Can you display a variable on a layout? I seem to remember trying this
and not being able to do it without creating a new calculated field...

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-05 Thread Richard Gaskin

Mark Wieder wrote:
Bruce- 
Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 8:57:43 PM, you wrote:

Variables were introduced in several different ways beginning with FileMaker
7 over 2 years ago.


Can you display a variable on a layout? I seem to remember trying this
and not being able to do it without creating a new calculated field...


Requiring a field and an instruction to put a variable's value into it 
for display?  Sounds like Rev to me. :)


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Re: OpenBase - WAS: Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-04 Thread Luis

True, I should have clarified.

FMP pushes it through your OS mail client, the mail.it plugin (among  
others) will email from within FMP

(the mail.it plugin is excellent btw).

Cheers,

Luis.


On 4 Oct 2007, at 05:03, Bruce Robertson wrote:


Hiya,

Anyone tried OpenBase (http://www.openbase.com/) as an alternative?
I'll admit I haven't used it much, but found performance much better
that FMP.

I have seen a very impressive POS made with it, can't recall the  
name.


Nice thing I noticed was that some functions are available as  
standard,

whereas they're plugins in FMP (like integrated email for instance,
although basic).

Cheers,

Luis.


Not quite true.

FileMaker has built in scriptable email generation that sends message
through your mail client application.

For a broader range of features such as multiple attachments you do  
need a

plugin.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Luis

Hiya,

FMP can import and output XML and apply an XSLT, if you're ok with  
not interfacing 'directly'.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 3 Oct 2007, at 03:06, Mark Wieder wrote:


Richard-

Monday, October 1, 2007, 3:20:06 PM, you wrote:


FileMaker's gotten pretty good in the last few releases.  Why does it
need a front-end?


FileMaker by itself isn't programmable, although the latest version
has a poorly-publicized php interface.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Ben Rubinstein
Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I might start a project that should connect a Revolution front-end to  
 a FM Pro database. One of the candidates to do this is ODBC. Reading  
 the archives, I can't help thinking that the combination of ODBC and  
 FM Pro may not be the best option. Does anyone have good experiences  
 with ODBC and FM Pro? How easy or difficult is it to accomplish this?

Hi Mark,

We have several installations that routinely extract data from FMP via ODBC.  It
works fine, with a few minor limitations (which may by now have been dealt with
anyway, these were set up a few years ago).  The app itself routinely extracts
data from various different databases, so the good thing about FMP via ODBC, as
far as I'm concerned, is that configuring the app in these cases to extract from
FMP was reasonably trivial.  It is necessary to throw a dialog on screen to tell
the user to make sure that Filemaker is open and has these databases open.

However, one caveat:  for the last 18 months, we've been having horrendous
problems with one client using this facility.  Their database solution, built
for them in FMP by a third party developer, is the most insanely architected
I've seen in a long while.  Apart from a shudder of disgust, I didn't think it
would be a problem; but in fact, especially as the client has added considerably
more data, we've found this impacts on getting the data out over ODBC.  In some
cases it times out; even worse, in some cases it doesn't, but doesn't return all
the data.

I mostly blame the madmen who so badly designed the database solution; but the
fact is that it 'works' viewed through FileMaker itself, but fails in various
ways over ODBC.

So just be aware, that while I don't think you should have a problem, if you
were to try to connect to an exceptionally badly designed database (eg one in
which extracting simple items of data required FileMaker to undertake chains of
calculations) you might run into difficulties.


- Ben





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OpenBase - WAS: Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Luis

Hiya,

Anyone tried OpenBase (http://www.openbase.com/) as an alternative?
I'll admit I haven't used it much, but found performance much better  
that FMP.


I have seen a very impressive POS made with it, can't recall the name.

Nice thing I noticed was that some functions are available as standard,
whereas they're plugins in FMP (like integrated email for instance,  
although basic).


Cheers,

Luis.


On 3 Oct 2007, at 11:01, Ben Rubinstein wrote:


Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I might start a project that should connect a Revolution front-end to
a FM Pro database. One of the candidates to do this is ODBC. Reading
the archives, I can't help thinking that the combination of ODBC and
FM Pro may not be the best option. Does anyone have good experiences
with ODBC and FM Pro? How easy or difficult is it to accomplish this?


Hi Mark,

We have several installations that routinely extract data from FMP  
via ODBC.  It
works fine, with a few minor limitations (which may by now have  
been dealt with
anyway, these were set up a few years ago).  The app itself  
routinely extracts
data from various different databases, so the good thing about FMP  
via ODBC, as
far as I'm concerned, is that configuring the app in these cases to  
extract from
FMP was reasonably trivial.  It is necessary to throw a dialog on  
screen to tell
the user to make sure that Filemaker is open and has these  
databases open.


However, one caveat:  for the last 18 months, we've been having  
horrendous
problems with one client using this facility.  Their database  
solution, built
for them in FMP by a third party developer, is the most insanely  
architected
I've seen in a long while.  Apart from a shudder of disgust, I  
didn't think it
would be a problem; but in fact, especially as the client has added  
considerably
more data, we've found this impacts on getting the data out over  
ODBC.  In some
cases it times out; even worse, in some cases it doesn't, but  
doesn't return all

the data.

I mostly blame the madmen who so badly designed the database  
solution; but the
fact is that it 'works' viewed through FileMaker itself, but fails  
in various

ways over ODBC.

So just be aware, that while I don't think you should have a  
problem, if you
were to try to connect to an exceptionally badly designed database  
(eg one in
which extracting simple items of data required FileMaker to  
undertake chains of

calculations) you might run into difficulties.


- Ben





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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard-

Don't get me wrong about this - I'm not dismissing FMP out of hand by any 
means. We run our accounting system on FileMaker using a system I first 
cobbled together some ten years ago. But the lack of variables hurts, as 
does the fact that programming in FileMaker is limited to stringing together 
macro statements. I should retract my statement about the 
non-programmability, though, since it does satisfy my first-pass criterion 
for the definition, that of conditional branching.

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Re: OpenBase - WAS: Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Hiya,
 
 Anyone tried OpenBase (http://www.openbase.com/) as an alternative?
 I'll admit I haven't used it much, but found performance much better
 that FMP.
 
 I have seen a very impressive POS made with it, can't recall the name.
 
 Nice thing I noticed was that some functions are available as standard,
 whereas they're plugins in FMP (like integrated email for instance,
 although basic).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Luis.

Not quite true.

FileMaker has built in scriptable email generation that sends message
through your mail client application.

For a broader range of features such as multiple attachments you do need a
plugin.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-03 Thread Bruce Robertson
 Richard-
 
 Don't get me wrong about this - I'm not dismissing FMP out of hand by any
 means. We run our accounting system on FileMaker using a system I first
 cobbled together some ten years ago. But the lack of variables hurts, as
 does the fact that programming in FileMaker is limited to stringing together
 macro statements. I should retract my statement about the
 non-programmability, though, since it does satisfy my first-pass criterion
 for the definition, that of conditional branching.

Variables were introduced in several different ways beginning with FileMaker
7 over 2 years ago.

The let statement was introduced with 7.0.

Let ( [
myVariableName = FirstName + 78;
myVariableName2 =  32];
MyVariableName  myVariableName2
)

Script parameters were introduced with 7.0

Local variables ($yourVariableName) and global variables
($$yourVariableName) were introduced with 8.0 about 1.5 years ago. Besides
providing variable for scripts and calculations they provide for scripted
control of import, export, PDF and Excel document generation.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard-

Monday, October 1, 2007, 3:20:06 PM, you wrote:

 FileMaker's gotten pretty good in the last few releases.  Why does it
 need a front-end?

FileMaker by itself isn't programmable, although the latest version
has a poorly-publicized php interface.

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-02 Thread Richard Gaskin

Mark Wieder wrote:


Richard-

Monday, October 1, 2007, 3:20:06 PM, you wrote:


FileMaker's gotten pretty good in the last few releases.  Why does it
need a front-end?


FileMaker by itself isn't programmable...


Of course that depends on how one defines programmable.

I guess it could mean a lot of different things to different people. Is 
it limited to things that require a lot of typing?  What is the role of 
iconic systems?  Is it really programming if you're not declaring 
types?  Some people even question whether any 4GL, like Rev, is real 
programming.


I'll leave all that to the philosophy majors. I'm just a developer so my 
job is much simpler:  to deliver software solutions to users which 
provide a strong ROI for the owner.


I've made some of those with FMP, and was glad I did.  And so were my 
clients, their users, and their accountants.


I'd have a sit-down with Todd Geist, one of the Rev community's most 
experienced FMP developers, before dismissing the product so out of 
hand.  Like any 4GL, when what you need is what it does, it does it 
pretty well.


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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Richard Gaskin

Mark Schonewille wrote:
I might start a project that should connect a Revolution front-end to  
a FM Pro database. One of the candidates to do this is ODBC. Reading  
the archives, I can't help thinking that the combination of ODBC and  
FM Pro may not be the best option. Does anyone have good experiences  
with ODBC and FM Pro? How easy or difficult is it to accomplish this?


FileMaker's gotten pretty good in the last few releases.  Why does it 
need a front-end?


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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread John Tregea
Dear Mark,
I am a long time FileMaker Developer and have been using Revolution as a 
database front end for a short time. Because I am now using Rev as the 
interface for the database, a lot of the power of layouts, portals and scripts 
in Filemaker are no longer available.

I have ended up using PostgreSQL as theback end and Rev as the front end (MySQL 
has costs associated with networked/enterprise usage). PostgreSQL avoids the 
increasingly expensive FileMaker licensing model and yet provides a very high 
performance database engine to drive a complex application.

Rev is an excellent front end for this type of architecture as it supports 
PostgreSQL along with many other databases out of the box (come to think of 
it I have never seen a Rev box)...

You have other choices of course and Ruslan may jump in to tell you about 
another option called Valentina at this point...

Regards

John

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From: Mark Schonewille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 08:05 AM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: Filemaker through ODBC

Hi,

I might start a project that should connect a Revolution front-end to
a FM Pro database. One of the candidates to do this is ODBC. Reading
the archives, I can't help thinking that the combination of ODBC and
FM Pro may not be the best option. Does anyone have good experiences
with ODBC and FM Pro? How easy or difficult is it to accomplish this?

Best regards,

Mark

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Mark Schonewille
Any experiences, Richard? Client is simply asking for a front-end. I  
don't know the exact details yet.


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Op 2-okt-2007, om 0:20 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

FileMaker's gotten pretty good in the last few releases.  Why does  
it need a front-end?


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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Mark Schonewille

John,

Thanks, I'm aware of everything you wrote. I am looking for  
experiences with FM and ODBC.


Best regards,

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Op 2-okt-2007, om 0:30 heeft John Tregea het volgende geschreven:


Dear Mark,
I am a long time FileMaker Developer and have been using Revolution  
as a database front end for a short time. Because I am now using  
Rev as the interface for the database, a lot of the power of  
layouts, portals and scripts in Filemaker are no longer available.


I have ended up using PostgreSQL as theback end and Rev as the  
front end (MySQL has costs associated with networked/enterprise  
usage). PostgreSQL avoids the increasingly expensive FileMaker  
licensing model and yet provides a very high performance database  
engine to drive a complex application.


Rev is an excellent front end for this type of architecture as it  
supports PostgreSQL along with many other databases out of the  
box (come to think of it I have never seen a Rev box)...


You have other choices of course and Ruslan may jump in to tell you  
about another option called Valentina at this point...


Regards

John


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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread John Tregea
Np Mark, 

I do have the FmPro  ODBC  Rev connection working but haven't pounded on it 
to see what the performance is like.

Regards

JOhn 

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-Original Message-
From: Mark Schonewille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 08:32 AM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: Re: Filemaker through ODBC

John,

Thanks, I'm aware of everything you wrote. I am looking for 
experiences with FM and ODBC.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 2-okt-2007, om 0:30 heeft John Tregea het volgende geschreven:

 Dear Mark,
 I am a long time FileMaker Developer and have been using Revolution 
 as a database front end for a short time. Because I am now using 
 Rev as the interface for the database, a lot of the power of 
 layouts, portals and scripts in Filemaker are no longer available.

 I have ended up using PostgreSQL as theback end and Rev as the 
 front end (MySQL has costs associated with networked/enterprise 
 usage). PostgreSQL avoids the increasingly expensive FileMaker 
 licensing model and yet provides a very high performance database 
 engine to drive a complex application.

 Rev is an excellent front end for this type of architecture as it 
 supports PostgreSQL along with many other databases out of the 
 box (come to think of it I have never seen a Rev box)...

 You have other choices of course and Ruslan may jump in to tell you 
 about another option called Valentina at this point...

 Regards

 John

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. Was it an easy thing to do, or did you  
encounter many problems before you were able to establish the  
connection?


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Op 2-okt-2007, om 0:40 heeft John Tregea het volgende geschreven:


Np Mark,

I do have the FmPro  ODBC  Rev connection working but haven't  
pounded on it to see what the performance is like.


Regards

JOhn


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RE: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 I am a long time FileMaker Developer and have been using 
 Revolution as a database front end for a short time. Because 
 I am now using Rev as the interface for the database, a lot 
 of the power of layouts, portals and scripts in Filemaker are 
 no longer available. 
 
 I have ended up using PostgreSQL as theback end and Rev as 
 the front end (MySQL has costs associated with 
 networked/enterprise usage). PostgreSQL avoids the 
 increasingly expensive FileMaker licensing model and yet 
 provides a very high performance database engine to drive a 
 complex application.
 
 Rev is an excellent front end for this type of architecture 
 as it supports PostgreSQL along with many other databases 
 out of the box (come to think of it I have never seen a Rev box)...
 
 You have other choices of course and Ruslan may jump in to 
 tell you about another option called Valentina at this point...

How predictable Ruslan has become - but I will beat him to it :-)

Valentina for Revolution ADK 3.4 is available for building royalty free,
single user database solutions with Valentina and Revolution.

Valentina Developer Network (Revolution) lets you create and deploy local
and client-server solutions using Valentina Embedded Server. VES is
automatically initialized to support five simultanous connections - you can
extend these or do a per deployment of VES Infinite. Lots of other included
bits - additional connections, and Valentina Studio Admin for rapidly
creating your databases, porting from other databases, searching and
administering.

ADK comes with 1 year of updates; VDN comes with 2 years of updates.

Valentina supports Revolution on Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. Valentina is
just bristling with features - it is well known for being extremely fast
compared to other solutions, including MS SQL Server, MySQL and more.

Both Paradigma and Runtime offer a bundle of Valentina for Revolution
Professional and Revolution Studio for $499.

Note please my bias below :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread John Tregea
Hi Mark,

It was pretty straightforward, I defined the ODBC data source under Win XP and 
connected to it from the database query builder (Rev Enterprise 2.8.1) with no 
problem. I attached the query to a field table object and was able to read and 
update records without error.

Usually I use the reOpenDatabase, revExecuteSQL etc, but for the sake of the 
experiment just went for the simple approach. Mind you I haven't tried this on 
a network yet, it was a local ODBC data source.

I haven't explored how flexible the ODBC interface is but will have to get to 
that soon. The product I am building abstracts the presentation layer away from 
any particular brand of SQL (or ODBC) and will handle the mapping between 
multiple host database types.

Regards

John
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From: Mark Schonewille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 08:42 AM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: Re: Filemaker through ODBC

Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. Was it an easy thing to do, or did you
encounter many problems before you were able to establish the
connection?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 2-okt-2007, om 0:40 heeft John Tregea het volgende geschreven:

 Np Mark,

 I do have the FmPro  ODBC  Rev connection working but haven't
 pounded on it to see what the performance is like.

 Regards

 JOhn

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread J. Landman Gay

Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi,

I might start a project that should connect a Revolution front-end to a 
FM Pro database. One of the candidates to do this is ODBC. Reading the 
archives, I can't help thinking that the combination of ODBC and FM Pro 
may not be the best option. Does anyone have good experiences with ODBC 
and FM Pro? How easy or difficult is it to accomplish this?


A few issues ago, Bill Marriott wrote an article in the RR newsletter 
about this exact thing. He hooked up a FM database to Rev without too 
much trouble. You might look through the old newsletters for it. Sorry I 
can't recall the date.


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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Mark Schonewille
Sounds good, John. Thanks for sharing your experience. This is good  
news after reading the somewhat disturbing information in the archives.


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Mark Schonewille

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Op 2-okt-2007, om 0:56 heeft John Tregea het volgende geschreven:


Hi Mark,

It was pretty straightforward, I defined the ODBC data source under  
Win XP and connected to it from the database query builder (Rev  
Enterprise 2.8.1) with no problem. I attached the query to a field  
table object and was able to read and update records without error.


Usually I use the reOpenDatabase, revExecuteSQL etc, but for the  
sake of the experiment just went for the simple approach. Mind you  
I haven't tried this on a network yet, it was a local ODBC data  
source.


I haven't explored how flexible the ODBC interface is but will have  
to get to that soon. The product I am building abstracts the  
presentation layer away from any particular brand of SQL (or ODBC)  
and will handle the mapping between multiple host database types.


Regards

John

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Re: Filemaker through ODBC

2007-10-01 Thread Mark Schonewille

I've just found it, Jacque. Part III is about ODBC.

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Op 2-okt-2007, om 1:16 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven:




A few issues ago, Bill Marriott wrote an article in the RR  
newsletter about this exact thing. He hooked up a FM database to  
Rev without too much trouble. You might look through the old  
newsletters for it. Sorry I can't recall the date.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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