Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I agree ! + music (Midi ?) functions Le 14 mai 2010 à 00:16, Robert Mann a écrit : I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
On 15/05/2010 12:32, René Micout wrote: I agree ! + music (Midi ?) functions Le 14 mai 2010 à 00:16, Robert Mann a écrit : I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. I have been banging on about sound export for years: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6t=5164 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings. It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every time. I get bad visual images. Our Bung is your Bloody, buddy. Just thought I'd remind you. On 15 May 2010 02:38, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: I have been banging on about sound export for years: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
On 15/05/2010 19:07, stephen barncard wrote: In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings. It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every time. I get bad visual images. Our Bung is your Bloody, buddy. Just thought I'd remind you. You are not reminding me; you a teaching me, because I did not know that. Notwithstanding; Thank you for reminding me - I shall avoid that word in future . . . :) As a person who believes the 'UK' to be an illegal entity created after our legal monarch (James VII) was expelled from the British Isles; I jalouse at the term UK'er. I am either a Scot, an Anglo-Scot, or at worst British. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Pretty much agree with everything you say here Robert - especially about revWeb - community provided JavaScript integration libraries are what we need. On 13 May 2010 23:16, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my strategic tree over here in France. So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as it has become so central nowadays; being at the heart of webBrowsers. Wanted to share views on that : I identified SproutCore framework and wondered if Jerry is working with that kind of framework!? It seems there is now 3 approaches to javascript-webapps : - thin client (all done on server side, eg that standard dynamic CMS sites on-rev excells at) - fat client (static HTML5 CSS with lots of Javascript all around that can directly interact with data servers, like SproutCore) - and.. a sportive approach.. which I thought off with on-rev, which is a dynamic CMS using .irev scripts the most and as little javascript as possible, and possibly jQuery scripts to keep cross-browser compatibility... .. and that is where RevIgniter, which I found so impressive seem to go! : This version includes a new library, which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. Now sproutCOre has a touch librairy and an IDE just out of the oven... and with phoneGap still being ok with apple new strategy.. it seems like an interesting doable route for mainstream information orientated iphone apps. [and we'll soon see what rodeo brings in that arena too!] I'll be testing those 2 frameworks shortly and let know.. and of course any views, maybe on a separate thread? -- as far as the main subject of this thread was... Kevin's annoucement, to make it short : I'm ok not to have any money back from the mobile program (to be crude about it...) BUT I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone (seems fair! eventhough i'll ditch my dream regarding iPad). If we get maemo, window mobile and android : we'll be kings! and thankfull to runrev!! Because if ever one wants to cover the whole lot of mobiles, javascript and HTML open up : iPhone, webOs, and Blackberry.. another good reason to consider javascript as language n°2 as a complement to xTalk! and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have closed STACKS instead of opened .irev so that a market can develop there (this is a year long awaited request!) To my view the revWeb plugin is kind of useless road which I would not pursue at great expense, since javascript seems to provide the fuel for webapps now (demos at SproutCore). I must was enthousiastic at first but just cannot make it to rely on that one. I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2215870.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Jacqueline, let me take a precise example.. i'took a license for sygodact. It's an old CGI stack. So I had to install an old runrev engine in the CGI folder. It would be simpler if the new on-rev engine accepted stacks like the old one : - It would make it easier for you to promote Zygodact. It would allow revIgniter to sell his what seems (not yet digged into it enough) great framework. And Andre Garzia to promote a nice tutorial about the basic of CMS. And thus creating a kind of market because others might like/want to produce nice tools... that would in the end make it easier for the whole lot to produce more things. I do beleive that sharing things here and there and selling libraries at a reasonnable friendly price is a great benefit for all of us potentially. - Lastly, if I go and see a potential client, and promote the on-rev server technology offering to build their site. I'd rather leave on their server my work as a protected stack rather than a bunch of .irev files, with which I'm happy on my personnal on-rev sand box server. Until then on-rev will only be useful for developpers themselves or their hosted clients sites. It smells a little bit closed shop. I personnaly would hesitate as a client to be locked in 100%. Unless you present it no more as site building and hosting but as a communication on the web service like Rodéo.. ! But I beleive that there is a nice intermediate niche of CMS sites to be really adapted to users but more efficiently with on-rev xtalk. And for that having irev-cgi stacks running on on-rev servers would be, for me, the starter sign! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2216388.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Robert Mann wrote: Jacqueline, let me take a precise example.. i'took a license for sygodact. It's an old CGI stack. So I had to install an old runrev engine in the CGI folder. It would be simpler if the new on-rev engine accepted stacks like the old one : Thanks, I understand what you mean now. The good news is that today's newsletter says that what you want to do with iRev is planned. :) Eventually iRev server will work with stacks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Jerry - it would be good to outline a little more clearly how Rodeo works / fits into the picture of how to develop apps on iPhone for Rev developers. I'm not clear - so I guess perhaps others are not. At present you have to make iPhone apps using either: 1. Cocoa Touch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_Touch and Objective Chttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-Cusing Xcode and the the iPhone SDK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS#iPhone_SDK 2. Use open web standards and Xcode with or without open source frameworks such as PhoneGaphttp://phonegap.pbworks.com/Getting-Started-with-PhoneGap-%28iPhone%29 3. Other? You could also just create iPhone tailored web sites (with or without JavaScript frameworks to help out): - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10295121-37.html - http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/7600/google-voice-web-app-now-available-to-iphone-and-webos.html I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/Objective C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service is able to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this data for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store. Questions: - Is this right? - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as any other framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and therfore could fall foul of the originally written clause on the new license? I am trying to choose between the web app approach, the PhoneGap approach and Rodeo - thanks ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Presumably Jerry is asleep at the moment but from what I've read and watched... Rodeo is written in Rev and creates *online* HTML webapps, hosted on On-Rev. Xcode is not involved in the end-user's workflow at all*. The 'originally written in' clause is irrelevant because all that ends up being accessed by someone using a Rodeo-created webapp is HTML/CSS/JS. Basically, using Rev's strengths in text/file manipulation to generate all the relevant web files from a Rev-like syntax. What I'm not sure of is whether the Rodeo service is set up to generate the web files on- the-fly or to compile them when you finish editing an app. Presumably the second option, or the server load would get a bit heavy. Ian * Jerry has spoken about a future possibility of advising authors on PhoneGap-style wrapping of webapps for submission to Apple, but again all the code is processed within Webkit and therefore bypasses the restrictive parts of the SDK agreement. On 13 May 2010, at 10:55, David Bovill wrote: I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/ Objective C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service is able to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this data for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store. Questions: - Is this right? - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as any other framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and therfore could fall foul of the originally written clause on the new license? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ian, Well said and accurate. As regards the Rodeo server load and saving... Saving Rodeo code from either the Rodeo desktop or iPad IDE will result in sending it to the server where it will be rendered into viewable web app pages. The On-Rev server is surprising fast. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 13, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk wrote: Presumably Jerry is asleep at the moment but from what I've read and watched... Rodeo is written in Rev and creates *online* HTML webapps, hosted on On-Rev. Xcode is not involved in the end-user's workflow at all*. The 'originally written in' clause is irrelevant because all that ends up being accessed by someone using a Rodeo-created webapp is HTML/CSS/JS. Basically, using Rev's strengths in text/file manipulation to generate all the relevant web files from a Rev-like syntax. What I'm not sure of is whether the Rodeo service is set up to generate the web files on-the-fly or to compile them when you finish editing an app. Presumably the second option, or the server load would get a bit heavy. Ian * Jerry has spoken about a future possibility of advising authors on PhoneGap-style wrapping of webapps for submission to Apple, but again all the code is processed within Webkit and therefore bypasses the restrictive parts of the SDK agreement. On 13 May 2010, at 10:55, David Bovill wrote: I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/Objective C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service is able to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this data for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store. Questions: - Is this right? - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as any other framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and therfore could fall foul of the originally written clause on the new license? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my strategic tree over here in France. So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as it has become so central nowadays; being at the heart of webBrowsers. Wanted to share views on that : I identified SproutCore framework and wondered if Jerry is working with that kind of framework!? It seems there is now 3 approaches to javascript-webapps : - thin client (all done on server side, eg that standard dynamic CMS sites on-rev excells at) - fat client (static HTML5 CSS with lots of Javascript all around that can directly interact with data servers, like SproutCore) - and.. a sportive approach.. which I thought off with on-rev, which is a dynamic CMS using .irev scripts the most and as little javascript as possible, and possibly jQuery scripts to keep cross-browser compatibility... .. and that is where RevIgniter, which I found so impressive seem to go! : This version includes a new library, which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. Now sproutCOre has a touch librairy and an IDE just out of the oven... and with phoneGap still being ok with apple new strategy.. it seems like an interesting doable route for mainstream information orientated iphone apps. [and we'll soon see what rodeo brings in that arena too!] I'll be testing those 2 frameworks shortly and let know.. and of course any views, maybe on a separate thread? -- as far as the main subject of this thread was... Kevin's annoucement, to make it short : I'm ok not to have any money back from the mobile program (to be crude about it...) BUT I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone (seems fair! eventhough i'll ditch my dream regarding iPad). If we get maemo, window mobile and android : we'll be kings! and thankfull to runrev!! Because if ever one wants to cover the whole lot of mobiles, javascript and HTML open up : iPhone, webOs, and Blackberry.. another good reason to consider javascript as language n°2 as a complement to xTalk! and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have closed STACKS instead of opened .irev so that a market can develop there (this is a year long awaited request!) To my view the revWeb plugin is kind of useless road which I would not pursue at great expense, since javascript seems to provide the fuel for webapps now (demos at SproutCore). I must was enthousiastic at first but just cannot make it to rely on that one. I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2215870.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Robert, We are looking at all of the frameworks. We started exploring SproutCore a few weeks ago. With respect to Rodeo, we want to keep our app pages as lean as possible, so use of frameworks will by necessity have to be discrete. Sarah and I have been tuning the Roadmap to bring the release date closer. Having fun with this. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 13, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my strategic tree over here in France. So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as it has become so central nowadays; being at the heart of webBrowsers. Wanted to share views on that : I identified SproutCore framework and wondered if Jerry is working with that kind of framework!? It seems there is now 3 approaches to javascript-webapps : - thin client (all done on server side, eg that standard dynamic CMS sites on-rev excells at) - fat client (static HTML5 CSS with lots of Javascript all around that can directly interact with data servers, like SproutCore) - and.. a sportive approach.. which I thought off with on-rev, which is a dynamic CMS using .irev scripts the most and as little javascript as possible, and possibly jQuery scripts to keep cross-browser compatibility... .. and that is where RevIgniter, which I found so impressive seem to go! : This version includes a new library, which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. Now sproutCOre has a touch librairy and an IDE just out of the oven... and with phoneGap still being ok with apple new strategy.. it seems like an interesting doable route for mainstream information orientated iphone apps. [and we'll soon see what rodeo brings in that arena too!] I'll be testing those 2 frameworks shortly and let know.. and of course any views, maybe on a separate thread? -- as far as the main subject of this thread was... Kevin's annoucement, to make it short : I'm ok not to have any money back from the mobile program (to be crude about it...) BUT I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone (seems fair! eventhough i'll ditch my dream regarding iPad). If we get maemo, window mobile and android : we'll be kings! and thankfull to runrev!! Because if ever one wants to cover the whole lot of mobiles, javascript and HTML open up : iPhone, webOs, and Blackberry.. another good reason to consider javascript as language n°2 as a complement to xTalk! and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have closed STACKS instead of opened .irev so that a market can develop there (this is a year long awaited request!) To my view the revWeb plugin is kind of useless road which I would not pursue at great expense, since javascript seems to provide the fuel for webapps now (demos at SproutCore). I must was enthousiastic at first but just cannot make it to rely on that one. I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2215870.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Robert Mann wrote: I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone Yes, that's the plan. Attention is now going to Android and you will see that next. and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have closed STACKS instead of opened .irev I'm not sure what you mean. No one else can see your irev scripts on the server. Can you explain? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) I find it hard to believe considering my age and my abilities 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... good wills ? 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) in this case it would multitouch functions in RunRev 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : We can no longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object. This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... 6. Watch the side of Rodeo it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) If some of you are interested in the point 5, I would be glad to talk with them... -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) I thought also two other solutions : 7. Start a hunger strike impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 iMac G7 27, sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel Tower It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! Bon souvenir de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René, You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Tom On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, René Micout wrote: I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : 1.Expect a change in strategy from Apple I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). 2.Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) I find it hard to believe considering my age and my abilities 3.Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... good wills ? 4.Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) in this case it would multitouch functions in RunRev 5.Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : We can no longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object. This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... 6.Watch the side of Rodeo it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) If some of you are interested in the point 5, I would be glad to talk with them... -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) I thought also two other solutions : 7.Start a hunger strike impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! 8.Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 iMac G7 27, sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel Tower It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! Bon souvenir de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Tom, Is the same thing that my point 6 Rodeo ? // On-Rev ? // Rev server ? // I am completely lost with all this !! René Le 12 mai 2010 à 14:55, Thomas McGrath III a écrit : René, You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Tom On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, René Micout wrote: I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) I find it hard to believe considering my age and my abilities 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... good wills ? 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) in this case it would multitouch functions in RunRev 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : We can no longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object. This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... 6. Watch the side of Rodeo it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) If some of you are interested in the point 5, I would be glad to talk with them... -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) I thought also two other solutions : 7. Start a hunger strike impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 iMac G7 27, sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel Tower It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! Bon souvenir de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thomas McGrath wrote: You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions on the back end. But what goes in the browser? It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Agreed - and for the browser as well: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richard, Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:03, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Thomas McGrath wrote: You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions on the back end. But what goes in the browser? It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Agreed - and for the browser as well: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richard, I don't know that it would require a complete 100% 'learning' of javascript, exactly, but rather a sharing of javascript resources that are directly tied to irev scripts and UI objects. This is what has been happening already. I need to know how to tie in something I want to do with irev on my site and I go to Sarah's site to see how she tied it into JS (as an example.) This kind of shared resources can lead to a very nice collection of objects and scripts for RunRev users. René, I love this article by Richard: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html I can't speak for Rodeo (You will have to ask Jerry or Sarah) but as far as I know, Rodeo is just for iPhone/iPad but revServer(iRev and revCGI) is for 'all' platforms that have a browser and internet connection. revServer uses revolution in a browser window with out the need for downloading plugins but requires a RunRev engine on the server. It works right now without any violations of any licenses out of the box on all web/browser enabled mobile devices. Check it out on the RunRev site. HTHs Tom On May 12, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Agreed - and for the browser as well: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thank you Tom (and Richard...) I will read the Richard's article... and if necessary I come back... Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:22, Thomas McGrath III a écrit : I love this article by Richard: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René, Check out http://www.on-rev.com/revolution/overview/ for information about what how revServer works and search the lists for how Rev CGI works. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On May 12, 2010, at 9:28 AM, René Micout wrote: Thank you Tom (and Richard...) I will read the Richard's article... and if necessary I come back... Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:22, Thomas McGrath III a écrit : I love this article by Richard: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 12/05/2010 16:18, René Micout wrote: Richard, Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! Yes! Having spent the better part of 9 years getting reasonably good at RevTalk I have neither the time, energy or inclination to start learning something as un-xTalk as JavaScript. I am pondering whether to learn the HyperNext language but have yet to see what benefits will accrue from that; the developer says he should (nice modal verb there) be popping out a Linux version in September-ish. -- Apple have closed the door for Rev developers as far as the iPhone and iPad are concerned; at least for the meantime; so any further discussion in that direction is a waste of time. However; outside the cow-byre of Apple there are lovely green fields full of flowers just longing for programs made with RunRev and revMobile; so sucks to Apple and move on . . . :) -- From my point of view, RunRev's failure to bring the Linux version up to par with the Windows and Mac versions is not much better than Apple saying boo. There is a vast area of computing (i.e. Linux deployment) that is being excluded from RunRev developers just as surely as Apple is excluding RunRev developers from the expensive toys. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 12, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions on the back end. But what goes in the browser? It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. An essential element to using browsers successfully is very good power scripting for accurate browser detection. The best resource online that I have found is QuirksMode.org to modify the HTML for the best result in the various browsers. Also high on the list to study is the Adobe Flash detection scripts that show the array of detection logic paths required for a developer to deliver the best possible user experience in a browser. Of course, you would not use Flash, but their detection algorithms are very complete. The Rev community incarnation would be a library of routines that could be built by collaboration and updated as new versions of browsers hit the market. There are huge advantages to using your RevServer account to host the functions you would require for your 'apps'. One advantage is that variations in javascript between browser versions would have far less effect. In this case you could use basic javascript code to trigger functions (eg. formatText.irev, parseArray.irev, errorCheckForm.irev) based on user interactions. Now you need not learn everything about javascript and do the tricky stuff in irev/rev stacks/cgi Some on the list may not realize that you can build a stack of many cards, then launch it on the RevServer using Rev cgi/irev so that its stack script is available momentarily. Just add the stack to the cgi environment, build the scripts, launch it without using any User Interface (UI) objects, then access the fields, navigate the cards just as you would on your desktop. After the cgi call is completed, the stack disappears from memory, but the idea is that its stack script functions returned a result that is sent back to the users browser to be displayed. Theoretically, you could have one Rev stack for each web page you would own or support. Or you could have a Rev stack containing all of the browser detection scripts, and this stack would be called/used for each ping from the web page. The result is highly accurate HTML for each browser. By sharing this development, those who know javascript could show how to build simple 'hooks' so that most of the heavy lifting would be in RevTalk Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web solutions would be less powerful and more difficult to create. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : so sucks to Apple and move on Richmond, I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and software)... I love RevTalk no JavaScript (while...) I love Apple no Linux, no Windows :-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:46, Jim Ault a écrit : Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web solutions would be less powerful and more difficult to create. What I want to do is create multitouch musical instruments for my own use (composition...)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René Micout wrote: Richard, Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! To deploy to a desktop browser, you can use RevTalk with the RevWeb browser plugin. In a mobile device, you can wait for RevMobile's Android or Maemo versions. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 12/05/2010 16:48, René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : so sucks to Apple and move on Richmond, I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and software)... I love RevTalk no JavaScript (while...) I love Apple no Linux, no Windows :-)___ I have been married for very nearly 20 years; the path of 'true love' is rarely, if ever, smooth. I love my PPC G3 and G4 Macs; should I suddenly become a bit richer than I am at the moment I would probably rush out a buy a maxxed-out MacPro,a big, juicy laptop and so on. I have 3 children who come to my school with iPhones; I have played around with all of them extensively; they, frankly, leave me cold: when I want a mobile telephone I want a mobile telephone; when I want a computer I want a computer; when I want a record player, camera, personal psychiatrist . . . blah, blah, blah. And, last but not least; curling up with an iPad for a read seems a pretty poor second to a real book. I don't have much time for dictatorial types who tell me what I can or cannot do with something I, supposedly, own; or stop me from helping other people do what they want with things they supposedly own. I also love the fact that, thanks to Linux, my hardware overheads in my school are about ten percent of my children's annual pocket-money requirements. I don't like Windows; but, like it or not; most of the people who use my software outwith my school use Windows - so I have to test my stuff on Windows. --- I love Runtime Revolution to distraction, and have repeatedly tried to 'stretch the envelope' with it. I love it so much that I would like it to be available to all and everybody, as so with standalones generated from it; hence my hammering on and on about the Linux version. --- I know that Kevin and Co. are in an awkward position. However, I did state a while back that I wondered whether they were not over-extending themselves a bit. I do hope that both RunRev and RunRev (i.e. the company and the IDE) can survive this particular storm - which, in all probability, will look rather insignificant with the wisdom of hindsight in a couple of years time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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As usual, Jim has provided us with a great explanation of how it all fits together. My first question: Why don't you gather up all your posts and put out a book? I just want to add one small addition. All the popular javascript libraries, jQuery et. al., are popular because they have built-in browser sniffing. Instead of heading to quirksmode.org directly, a person could either use or deconstruct those libraries to find out how to do it. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:46 AM On May 12, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions on the back end. But what goes in the browser? It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. An essential element to using browsers successfully is very good power scripting for accurate browser detection. The best resource online that I have found is QuirksMode.org to modify the HTML for the best result in the various browsers. Also high on the list to study is the Adobe Flash detection scripts that show the array of detection logic paths required for a developer to deliver the best possible user experience in a browser. Of course, you would not use Flash, but their detection algorithms are very complete. The Rev community incarnation would be a library of routines that could be built by collaboration and updated as new versions of browsers hit the market. There are huge advantages to using your RevServer account to host the functions you would require for your 'apps'. One advantage is that variations in javascript between browser versions would have far less effect. In this case you could use basic javascript code to trigger functions (eg. formatText.irev, parseArray.irev, errorCheckForm.irev) based on user interactions. Now you need not learn everything about javascript and do the tricky stuff in irev/rev stacks/cgi Some on the list may not realize that you can build a stack of many cards, then launch it on the RevServer using Rev cgi/irev so that its stack script is available momentarily. Just add the stack to the cgi environment, build the scripts, launch it without using any User Interface (UI) objects, then access the fields, navigate the cards just as you would on your desktop. After the cgi call is completed, the stack disappears from memory, but the idea is that its stack script functions returned a result that is sent back to the users browser to be displayed. Theoretically, you could have one Rev stack for each web page you would own or support. Or you could have a Rev stack containing all of the browser detection scripts, and this stack would be called/used for each ping from the web page. The result is highly accurate HTML for each browser. By sharing this development, those who know javascript could show how to build simple 'hooks' so that most of the heavy lifting would be in RevTalk Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web solutions would be less powerful and more difficult to create. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Rene, Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 8:00 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Tom, Is the same thing that my point 6 Rodeo ? // On-Rev ? // Rev server ? // I am completely lost with all this !! René Le 12 mai 2010 à 14:55, Thomas McGrath III a écrit : René, You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Tom On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, René Micout wrote: I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) I find it hard to believe considering my age and my abilities 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... good wills ? 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) in this case it would multitouch functions in RunRev 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : We can no longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object. This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... 6. Watch the side of Rodeo it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) If some of you are interested in the point 5, I would be glad to talk with them... -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) I thought also two other solutions : 7. Start a hunger strike impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 iMac G7 27, sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel Tower It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! Bon souvenir de Paris René ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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Jerry, Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? music by example... Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? René Le 12 mai 2010 à 16:38, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Rene, You ask an excellent question: If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this? The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly in ours. RunRev is all about the binary engine...creating it, making it happen. We're all about text...parsing it, letting an engine render it. Kevin and I talked before I announced, of course. We have worked together over the years and know each other pretty well. It was obvious to us both the directions each of us would go in response to the Apple lock-down. Different, but very complementary. Best, Jerry Daniels Use Revolution technology to create iPad apps: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 9:52 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Jerry, Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? music by example... Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? René Le 12 mai 2010 à 16:38, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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And for my first question ? ;-) Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:12, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Rene, You ask an excellent question: If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this? The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly in ours. RunRev is all about the binary engine...creating it, making it happen. We're all about text...parsing it, letting an engine render it. Kevin and I talked before I announced, of course. We have worked together over the years and know each other pretty well. It was obvious to us both the directions each of us would go in response to the Apple lock-down. Different, but very complementary. Best, Jerry Daniels Use Revolution technology to create iPad apps: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 9:52 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Jerry, Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? music by example... Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? René Le 12 mai 2010 à 16:38, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much of real value to the discussion, but here goes... RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever going there again. Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit dirty to me now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near future. I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. A sad state of affairs, huh? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René, Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 10:30 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: And for my first question ? ;-) Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:12, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Rene, You ask an excellent question: If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this? The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly in ours. RunRev is all about the binary engine...creating it, making it happen. We're all about text...parsing it, letting an engine render it. Kevin and I talked before I announced, of course. We have worked together over the years and know each other pretty well. It was obvious to us both the directions each of us would go in response to the Apple lock-down. Different, but very complementary. Best, Jerry Daniels Use Revolution technology to create iPad apps: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 9:52 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Jerry, Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? music by example... Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? René Le 12 mai 2010 à 16:38, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age : patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !! I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about Kickstart program. This could help me pass the time while waiting Rodeo. Can you tell me when is scheduled the first release of Rodeo? Thank you for helping us :-) René Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:01, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much of real value to the discussion, but here goes... RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever going there again. Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit dirty to me now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near future. I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. A sad state of affairs, huh? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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David and Jerry, The customer could avoid having to buy any Mac hardware if they could design their app on the Rodeo website itself. The website could act as a development IDE and a simulator both. When you are done designing your app then anyone could download the app from the Rodeo website. This would be very good advertizing for Rodeo because people could see all the apps made with it. One question for Jerry: Why are you targeting the iPad and not the iPhone. I know you like to stay ahead of the curve, but it seems like there are a lot more potential customers for iPhone. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: From: David C. davidoco...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:55 AM This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much of real value to the discussion, but here goes... RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever going there again. Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit dirty to me now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near future. I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. A sad state of affairs, huh? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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David, If you're totally opposed to using any Apple products, for whatever reasons, then, of course, you won't be using Rodeo for the iPad. As we address other devices (and if we do), give us another look! Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 10:55 AM, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much of real value to the discussion, but here goes... RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever going there again. Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit dirty to me now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near future. I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. A sad state of affairs, huh? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 12, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Michael Kann wrote: As usual, Jim has provided us with a great explanation of how it all fits together. My first question: Why don't you gather up all your posts and put out a book? I just want to add one small addition. All the popular javascript libraries, jQuery et. al., are popular because they have built-in browser sniffing. Instead of heading to quirksmode.org directly, a person could either use or deconstruct those libraries to find out how to do it. Mike I, too, like the JQuery libraries, but the real catch is that development of apps usually requires that the programmer handle specific needs/inconsistencies much sooner than library updates (eg. JQuery) become available. Also, running large libraries when your app only needs a small subset can lead to headaches when conflicts arise. One example of headaches can be seen with WordPress themes and plugins that use PHP libraries written by a variety of authors. One factor when designing a project is to anticipate all the innovations that mobile/browser implementations will incorporate in the future. This will be a shifting landscape for many years to come. An example will be the Google Android updates. Another example is legacy browsers that do not interpret HTML5. As far as any book, highly unlikely. My specialty is internet marketing and my two client campaigns consume all of my available time, and will do for the next couple years. The On-Rev server, cgi, php, irev will be integral and essential components of my marketing operation. I am sure I will have multiple accounts and numerous libraries. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Rene, I will be doing another posting on Rodeo with answers to your questions. This will happen either Friday or early the next week. We will not be peppering the list here with this sort of thing, but I will give quick answers and direct discussion to the Rodeo site where it belongs. I don't want to wear out my welcome here. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:15 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age : patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !! I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about Kickstart program. This could help me pass the time while waiting Rodeo. Can you tell me when is scheduled the first release of Rodeo? Thank you for helping us :-) René Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:01, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Michael, We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE! Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: David and Jerry, The customer could avoid having to buy any Mac hardware if they could design their app on the Rodeo website itself. The website could act as a development IDE and a simulator both. When you are done designing your app then anyone could download the app from the Rodeo website. This would be very good advertizing for Rodeo because people could see all the apps made with it. One question for Jerry: Why are you targeting the iPad and not the iPhone. I know you like to stay ahead of the curve, but it seems like there are a lot more potential customers for iPhone. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: From: David C. davidoco...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:55 AM This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much of real value to the discussion, but here goes... RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever going there again. Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit dirty to me now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near future. I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. A sad state of affairs, huh? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yes I understand... Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:28, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Rene, I will be doing another posting on Rodeo with answers to your questions. This will happen either Friday or early the next week. We will not be peppering the list here with this sort of thing, but I will give quick answers and direct discussion to the Rodeo site where it belongs. I don't want to wear out my welcome here. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:15 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age : patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !! I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about Kickstart program. This could help me pass the time while waiting Rodeo. Can you tell me when is scheduled the first release of Rodeo? Thank you for helping us :-) René Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:01, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:30, Jerry Daniels a écrit : We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE! If I have well understand (stood ?) Rodeo allows programming FOR iPad but also ON iPad !?___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Oui! Yes, that's a big part of Rodeo's appeal: iPad coding on a Mac or on the iPad. The UI builder for iPad will come along after the Mac IDE, but you'll be able to edit your code on the iPad right away. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:35 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:30, Jerry Daniels a écrit : We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE! If I have well understand (stood ?) Rodeo allows programming FOR iPad but also ON iPad !?___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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C'est formidable !!! I want it !!! Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:38, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Yes, that's a big part of Rodeo's appeal: iPad coding on a Mac or on the iPad. The UI builder for iPad will come along after the Mac IDE, but you'll be able to edit your code on the iPad right away. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-) I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:46, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Rene, Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-) I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:46, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Great idea Mike ! As I can have Rodeo in preview... ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 12 mai 2010 à 19:02, Michael Kann a écrit : Rene, Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. Mike ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René Micout wrote: I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... That's a very generous offer. Yes! I would be very glad to post that PDF - many of our site visitors would appreciate it, and it might help me with my very slow learning of French as well. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people outside of Texas could understand me, too. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: Rene, Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-) I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:46, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand is quite a challenge! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people outside of Texas could understand me, too. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: Rene, Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-) I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:46, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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What?? ;-) Bob On May 12, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand is quite a challenge! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people outside of Texas could understand me, too. Best, Jerry Daniels ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand is quite a challenge! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people outside of Texas could understand me, too. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: Rene, Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-) I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:46, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, Richard Gaskin wrote : Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. wrote Sorry Richard, René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment Nietzsche Ressentiment in French means feeling or understanding or comprehension Best Regards -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sorry Francis but I think that is the word resentment I wanted to express. The real word is ressentiment, a french word for a Nietzsche's philosophical concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment Bonne nuit René Le 12 mai 2010 à 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a écrit : Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, Richard Gaskin wrote : Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. wrote Sorry Richard, René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Ressentiment in French means feeling or understanding or comprehension Best Regards -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Sorry Francis but I think that is the word resentment I wanted to express. The real word is ressentiment, a french word for a Nietzsche's philosophical concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment Bonne nuit René Le 12 mai 2010 à 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a écrit : Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, Richard Gaskin wrote : Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. wrote Sorry Richard, René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Ressentiment in French means feeling or understanding or comprehension Best Regards -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Does it still hurt? Bob On May 12, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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A philosopher very difficult to access that requires a gradual initiation. I have read many books on Nietzsche before reading his books ... (Patrick Wotling, Gilles Deleuze, Michel Onfray, etc.) Le 12 mai 2010 à 22:16, Andre Garzia a écrit : Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Sorry Francis but I think that is the word resentment I wanted to express. The real word is ressentiment, a french word for a Nietzsche's philosophical concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment Bonne nuit René Le 12 mai 2010 à 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a écrit : Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, Richard Gaskin wrote : Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. wrote Sorry Richard, René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit : I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche Ressentiment in French means feeling or understanding or comprehension Best Regards -Francis Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible Twisted; your choice. On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... My son had a Nietzsche patch about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now recovered from his Nietzchean aberration and is now taking out his adolescent frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. --- Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not try a spot of Wittgenstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite wrong). -- Oh; before I forget: 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Le 12 mai 2010 à 22:35, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible Twisted; your choice. On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... My son had a Nietzsche patch about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now recovered from his Nietzchean aberration and is now taking out his adolescent frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. --- Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not try a spot of Wittgenstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite wrong). -- Oh; before I forget: 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. Le 12 mai 2010 à 22:57, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 12/05/2010 23:53, René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised correspondence. This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verité; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 13/05/2010 00:10, René Micout wrote: I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. C'est sure, mon ami ; et Immanuel Kant, Nicolas Malebranche et al aussi . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave On 12 May 2010, at 21:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 13/05/2010 00:25, Dave Cragg wrote: Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) To come out of the closet, or to stay shut in; that is the question. The Gay Science. Oh dear! Polysemanticism and the perils of translation. There is a chap called 'Randy' over here the other day, and my first name is 'John' . . . the whole thing can be carried too far. At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you not! Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will quip one off. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave Try a Google search for Revolution . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
If Hitler had read Nietzsche I do not think it is claimed. It is very violent with anti-Semitic, also the violence. I think he read the wrong book concocted by his sister in which sentences are truncated and modified to suggest to Hitler that his brother shared his ideas. read about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Will_to_Power_ (manuscript), I know the French version http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Volonté_de_puissance I do not know if the English version is the same (five times shorter). I understand (I hope I am not wrong) that you worked on Sanskrit. Nietzsche in particular raised the figure of Dionysus, the Greek equivalent of Shiva (Cernunos in Celtic) A few days ago on French television, Michel Onfray, a French philosopher strongly anchored to the left (politics) said: The discovery of Nietzsche has changed my life. I doubt a man of the left claims (especially in France) of a philosopher professing the ideals of the far right. But it is late Mister (Mais il est tard, Monsieur) (in the words of Jacques Brel), almost midnight and it is time to go to bed. It is not easy and it takes time but this writer is very important if there is only one book to read about Nietzsche Nietzsche I advise Patrick Wotling (I do not know if has been translated into English), but that of Deleuze has been (but it is very difficult). Good Night Richmond ! René Le 12 mai 2010 à 23:19, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 12/05/2010 23:53, René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised correspondence. This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verité; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Name ! Name ! Des noms ! Des noms ! ;-) Le 12 mai 2010 à 23:25, Dave Cragg a écrit : Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave On 12 May 2010, at 21:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Richmond Mathewson wrote: At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you not! Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will quip one off. Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID info is showing up as Gay Jacqueline. I think I need to change that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft: The Gay Science was about poetry and the idea of power. It has also been translated as The Joyous Wisdom (which avoids any latter-day ambiguity). Personally I would go for an entirely literal translation of 'fröhliche'; frolicsome nothing either wrong or ambig. about that! Bon Nuit, ???, Slaap lekker! Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Jacque- Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 3:00:13 PM, you wrote: Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID info is showing up as Gay Jacqueline. I think I need to change that. ...toujours gai, archy... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Absolutely. I'd decided long ago against having anything to do with Apple and the iPhone, because I thought the direction Apple was going in was extremely retrograde. I wish my fears over Apple had been wrong. But I'd be delighted to see RunRev focus on it's core tools. I can only hope that good things for the Linux version of Rev would come out of a focus on Android. FWIW, I've been happily running a HTC phone (Windows Mobile) for over 2 years. I've been very happy with what it provides me with (many of things required jail-breaking on the iPhone, and even required hoop-jumping on an Android phone). But HTC seem to make damn fine phones. This thing is so superior to all the top-of-the range Nokia phones I've had in the past, and I bought it on the recommendation of a gadget freak who rated it very highly. I've no doubt my next phone will be a HTC Android. Let's be glad that Apple pulled the rug at this point, instead of in 12 months time. Bernard On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:06 AM, Josh Mellicker j...@dvcreators.net wrote: With all sympathies to those who are understandably deeply disappointed, there is a silver lining to this news: On May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: ...we are ...focusing on developing significant and exciting enhancements to the Rev platform. We have many exciting projects in the pipeline including an overhaul to our Unicode support, enhanced text display... If this pipeline also includes improving core functionality of the desktop IDE, from things like the player object to widgets to fixing bugs, as well as more focus on feature parity for Linux, it could end up being great for all of us. For a small company, focusing on core competencies is a really good thing, and the one thing RunRev unquestionably does better than anyone else in the world is a best-in-class cross-platform desktop software dev environment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. Well said and I am in complete agreement. iPhone iPad's loss is just Androids gain. ...I now know what my next phone/mobile device will be powered by. ;-) Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
This is good for you Jerry. I hope you keep getting preferential treatment. I, however, do not. I do expect a rebate or discount for my loss. Tom McGrath On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I couldn´t have said it better. Matthias Am 10.05.2010 um 19:46 schrieb Jerry Daniels: As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
I would have loved to have instead heard apple's reaction to the prospect that runrev would output clean well formed objective C source that would be compiled in apples blessed and native IDE. Of course apple would want to developed its own xtalk environment for the ipad. They own the domain! They invented it! What did you think they would say? Nuts! -Original Message- From: Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:46 AM To: How to Use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com; Improvements to Revolution improve-revolut...@lists.runrev.com Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Android over iPad (was RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement)
Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I completely agree, Jerry. The iPhone family of products represent a very attractive consumer platform. We cannot expect iPad users to understand the issues around Steve Jobs war on cross platform tools - just talk with your non computer industry friends who also happen to use an iPhone about it (guess what I did on Mother's Day). The iPad today is still the product it was yesterday - except now we know our Rev projects won't be on it. Just as Steve Jobs has his business reasons for making his decisions, so do you as software vendors. I don't think you should go out and burn your iPhone and iPad. But just like Steve Jobs, you should also consider your business as well. Support RevMobile on Android. Plan for it. Help make it happen. Make the words HyperCard and Runrev and Android appear often in your blogs, twitter posts and facebook updates. I don't suggest this for reasons other than business reasons. Supporting a platform where you can deploy your applications, which makes it possible for more copies of your applications to be sold. Ive already made a blog update to this effect, it isnt much more than you already know: http://www.lynnfredricks.com/2010/05/10/no-hypercard-for-the-ipad-watch-for- hypercard-on-android/ Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
With all sympathies to those who are understandably deeply disappointed, there is a silver lining to this news: On May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: ...we are ...focusing on developing significant and exciting enhancements to the Rev platform. We have many exciting projects in the pipeline including an overhaul to our Unicode support, enhanced text display... If this pipeline also includes improving core functionality of the desktop IDE, from things like the player object to widgets to fixing bugs, as well as more focus on feature parity for Linux, it could end up being great for all of us. For a small company, focusing on core competencies is a really good thing, and the one thing RunRev unquestionably does better than anyone else in the world is a best-in-class cross-platform desktop software dev environment. On May 10, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: We've broken haggis together. Then you've gone further than I ever would :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
