Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Ken Norris wrote: How would you characterize the benefits of the HC color tools over Rev's tools? I'm talking strictly about painting graphical elements. To me there's no comparison at all. 1) It's very light and responsive. More so than any other paint program I've used. Even the best of the mega-paint programs make me feel like they're carrying a heavy load around. 2) Overall intuitiveness. 3) I can paint in 32-bit color (not from a colorwheel, but you can still do it). 4) Maintains a palette of the last 12 sampled colors. 5) Free or percentage resizing. 6) Free or degree rotation. 7) Instant tinting. What is instant tinting? That's a geat list, Ken. Thanks for putting that together. If Rev had such capabilities (many can be scripted, the rest probably not too hard to add to the engine), what sorts of apps would developers deploy these in? I've had my head buried in vector graphics apps for so long it's sometimes difficult for me to step out of that box -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
On Sep 22, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Marty Billingsley wrote: snip I'll jump in here, although my beef is more with the regular painting tools than the color tools. We really miss HC's text tool for painting letters and words. Why did RunRev eliminate that? That perspective is based on a philosophical position that may not reflect the inventor's intent. Rather than ask Why did RunRev eliminate that?, it may better reflect the engine's unique history by asking Why didn't they add that? It may seem like just word-mincing, but there's a fundamental difference that may help newcomers understand other differences between Rev and HC (or any other xTalk implementation): RunRev was not originally invented to be a HyperCard clone per se. While it incorporates much of the same language and object model, it extends them in ways that add unique value to Rev, much like every other xTalk has its own extensions to differentiate themselves from HC. So to answer the question Why didn't Rev implement a paint text tool?, my guess would be that they already had fully anti-aliased, resolution-independent text in fields. Under what sort of circumstances would there be a benefit to having bitmapped text for which fields could not be used? If a strong enough case can be made that benefits enough users I'm sure RunRev would consider it. Here's one: A quick and easy way to display non-Latin characters in your stack without worrying about whether the end user has the right font installed, and without fretting over Unicode issues. Another, similar one: Using a particular, weird font in a title or splash screen, and not having to worry about whether the end user has it or about cross-platform font metrics. Granted, you can do this in Photoshop or other bitmap graphics editor, but it takes more time. A consideration when you're under a short deadline. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Devin Asay wrote: If a strong enough case can be made that benefits enough users I'm sure RunRev would consider it. Here's one: A quick and easy way to display non-Latin characters in your stack without worrying about whether the end user has the right font installed, and without fretting over Unicode issues. Another, similar one: Using a particular, weird font in a title or splash screen, and not having to worry about whether the end user has it or about cross-platform font metrics. Good point, I'd forgotten about that one. Of course, it is pretty easy to take a snapshot of the screen in those cases and display that. No external bitmap editor needed, since Rev has that capability built in. It could even be scripted to work dynamically. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Richard, Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:14:55 -0700 From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard? Ken Norris wrote: Note: HyperCard is the one-and-only software item I run in Classic today. I use its Color Tools because, albeit it lacks some features, it's still has the fastest, most intuitive paint tools, for cranking out graphical artwork parts, on the planet. How would you characterize the benefits of the HC color tools over Rev's tools? I'm talking strictly about painting graphical elements. To me there's no comparison at all. 1) It's very light and responsive. More so than any other paint program I've used. Even the best of the mega-paint programs make me feel like they're carrying a heavy load around. 2) Overall intuitiveness. 3) I can paint in 32-bit color (not from a colorwheel, but you can still do it). 4) Maintains a palette of the last 12 sampled colors. 5) Free or percentage resizing. 6) Free or degree rotation. 7) Instant tinting. There are lots more reasons, but I don't have time to make more comparisons for you right now. All the best, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Marty Billingsley wrote: We really miss HC's text tool for painting letters and words. Why did RunRev eliminate that? They didn't, really -- Scott Raney, who wrote the original engine, just never put it in. I used to think I'd miss it, but so far I haven't ever needed paint text. Is there something specific you do that requires it? Special effects, mostly. With paint text, you can use spiffy paint-type tricks on it -- turning it sideways, doing outline stuff, filling the letterforms with patterns, etc. With field text, your options are significantly more restricted. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hello Pierre, Charles, et al, Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:57:08 +0200 From: Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard? Hi, HC 2.4.1 is still working as expected under Tiger 10.4.2 / Classic / PWB G4 there. Best, Le 21 sept. 05 à 18:00, Charles Hartman a écrit : Well, I think the point is that _Classic_ is on the verge of not being supported any more. As to the last comment from Charles, according to Apple VP Phil Schiller, I'd say that there is probably some truth to that, but it's not so imminent. However, I wouldn't expect Classic to be upgraded any more than it is right now, if that's what is meant by supported. I.e., any G4 or even G5 system running OSX will probably continue to support Classic as it is, but OS X86 systems which will run on the Intel-based lowend Macs (but may include both iB's and PB's because PPC has not come up with G5 chips for them) coming out next year -- probably not. IOW, if you buy a PPC-based machine, you should be good to go running Classic until Apple's entire line switches to Intel-based, and then after that, until you decide to buy one. Could easily be 5 years for many of us. Note: HyperCard is the one-and-only software item I run in Classic today. I use its Color Tools because, albeit it lacks some features, it's still has the fastest, most intuitive paint tools, for cranking out graphical artwork parts, on the planet. All the best, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
When the IntelMacs are introduced things should actually get better (short term) for us HyperCard users. There will be good used and refurbished G4 and G5 computers available for many years as people upgrade to the new hardware. HyperCard runs really well (and really fast) on today's G5 PowerMac! I don't believe our customers will be needing anything faster for a long time. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Ken Norris wrote: Note: HyperCard is the one-and-only software item I run in Classic today. I use its Color Tools because, albeit it lacks some features, it's still has the fastest, most intuitive paint tools, for cranking out graphical artwork parts, on the planet. How would you characterize the benefits of the HC color tools over Rev's tools? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken Norris wrote: Note: HyperCard is the one-and-only software item I run in Classic today. I use its Color Tools because, albeit it lacks some features, it's still has the fastest, most intuitive paint tools, for cranking out graphical artwork parts, on the planet. How would you characterize the benefits of the HC color tools over Rev's tools? I'll jump in here, although my beef is more with the regular painting tools than the color tools. We really miss HC's text tool for painting letters and words. Why did RunRev eliminate that? - marty -- Marty Billingsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Marty Billingsley wrote: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken Norris wrote: Note: HyperCard is the one-and-only software item I run in Classic today. I use its Color Tools because, albeit it lacks some features, it's still has the fastest, most intuitive paint tools, for cranking out graphical artwork parts, on the planet. How would you characterize the benefits of the HC color tools over Rev's tools? I'll jump in here, although my beef is more with the regular painting tools than the color tools. We really miss HC's text tool for painting letters and words. Why did RunRev eliminate that? That perspective is based on a philosophical position that may not reflect the inventor's intent. Rather than ask Why did RunRev eliminate that?, it may better reflect the engine's unique history by asking Why didn't they add that? It may seem like just word-mincing, but there's a fundamental difference that may help newcomers understand other differences between Rev and HC (or any other xTalk implementation): RunRev was not originally invented to be a HyperCard clone per se. While it incorporates much of the same language and object model, it extends them in ways that add unique value to Rev, much like every other xTalk has its own extensions to differentiate themselves from HC. So to answer the question Why didn't Rev implement a paint text tool?, my guess would be that they already had fully anti-aliased, resolution-independent text in fields. Under what sort of circumstances would there be a benefit to having bitmapped text for which fields could not be used? If a strong enough case can be made that benefits enough users I'm sure RunRev would consider it. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Marty Billingsley wrote: We really miss HC's text tool for painting letters and words. Why did RunRev eliminate that? They didn't, really -- Scott Raney, who wrote the original engine, just never put it in. I used to think I'd miss it, but so far I haven't ever needed paint text. Is there something specific you do that requires it? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
A very late contribution to this thread. Way back in 2005-07-04 kee nethery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are running Hypercard on the startup volume, it runs fine until you try to edit a script. That does not work. If you are running externals in Hypercard, no clue whether they still function or not, I imagine they do, mostly. If you want to edit scripts in Hypercard just create a small disk image and plop Hypercard and the home stack into that virtual disk. Then you can edit scripts just fine running that copy of Hypercard. The offending code appears to me to be the script editor that is separate code inside Hypercard. The Apple tech support folks at WWDC had the following response when I mentioned the problem Hypercard is not supported, OS9 is not supported, we cannot help you. I upgraded to Tiger a month or two ago, and indeed found that creating a disk image for HyperCard allowed me to carry on using it in the limited ways I needed. Recently a museum client replaced a network of touchscreen workstations, running a large and complex installation that we created about 7 years ago in C++, with Mac minis. We tested the app first on a Mac mini (running Panther) - no probs. By the time the order was made, we ended up with 14 Mac minis running Tiger; and we're getting some intermittent problems. I've traced at least one of the problems to the fact that a call to the Mac toolbox routine PBGetCatInfoSync, to obtain the directory id of a folder at the top level of a volume, returns 'fnfErr' (file/folder not found), under Tiger, if the volume is the boot volume. It's fine under Panther, as under all previous systems for the last 7 years; it's fine if it's not the boot volume (eg a disk image). I can't be sure if this is the same bug that messes up the script editor in HC, but the symptoms are obviously related. As for Apple's comments: that's just bull. It's true that HyperCard is not supported; but they sell Tiger with the ability to run Classic apps, and they've just screwed this up. I'm sure it's accurate that they've no intention of fixing it; but the fact is that they've recently introduced a new bug into the Classic layer; thereby causing a great deal of inconvenience and expense to some of their more loyal customers. Bah humbug, etc. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Well, I think the point is that _Classic_ is on the verge of not being supported any more. Charles Hartman On Sep 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: As for Apple's comments: that's just bull. It's true that HyperCard is not supported; but they sell Tiger with the ability to run Classic apps, and they've just screwed this up. I'm sure it's accurate that they've no intention of fixing it; but the fact is that they've recently introduced a new bug into the Classic layer; thereby causing a great deal of inconvenience and expense to some of their more loyal customers. Bah humbug, etc. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi, HC 2.4.1 is still working as expected under Tiger 10.4.2 / Classic / PWB G4 there. Best, Le 21 sept. 05 à 18:00, Charles Hartman a écrit : Well, I think the point is that _Classic_ is on the verge of not being supported any more. Charles Hartman On Sep 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: As for Apple's comments: that's just bull. It's true that HyperCard is not supported; but they sell Tiger with the ability to run Classic apps, and they've just screwed this up. I'm sure it's accurate that they've no intention of fixing it; but the fact is that they've recently introduced a new bug into the Classic layer; thereby causing a great deal of inconvenience and expense to some of their more loyal customers. Bah humbug, etc. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours skype : psahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I still can't figure out how to get nine to five reports and hypercard to
work with tiger. Hypercard works ok with 10.41 but whenever you use reports
it can't find the report file. I tried putting everything in a separate hard
drive and that made no difference.
On 6/29/05 1:42 PM, Marty Billingsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, haven't
launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
cheers,
- marty
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Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Todd and Jim,
To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
already installed.
It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
another disk or partition...
At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
better solution to buy an external firewire one...
Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit :
This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System
Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
the System Folder over.
Todd
On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
whether this is true?
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Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
The error I get is Reports can't read the stack header and is unable to
proceed. Is your stack password protected? -- the stack is not password
protected. I have no idea what the stack header is.
On 7/2/05 8:18 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I still can't figure out how to get nine to five reports and hypercard to
work with tiger. Hypercard works ok with 10.41 but whenever you use reports
it can't find the report file. I tried putting everything in a separate hard
drive and that made no difference.
On 6/29/05 1:42 PM, Marty Billingsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, haven't
launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
cheers,
- marty
--
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The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Todd and Jim,
To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
already installed.
It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
another disk or partition...
At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
better solution to buy an external firewire one...
Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit :
This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System
Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
the System Folder over.
Todd
On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
whether this is true?
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Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Bill, I found out that HC home paths non longer worked except for stacks which are in the same folder than HC itself. Can be a clue. Not sure. Le 2 juil. 05 à 14:18, Bill a écrit : I still can't figure out how to get nine to five reports and hypercard to work with tiger. Hypercard works ok with 10.41 but whenever you use reports it can't find the report file. I tried putting everything in a separate hard drive and that made no difference. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hmm, i just got my new powerbook this week with tiger installed, but not classic (i think apple has been doing this for at least a year now since i have had folks say they didnt have classic and i would just have them load it from their system discs). the powerbook tiger system discs came with the classic 922 installer on it. i ran it and it installed a nice new os922 system folder that works great with tiger. tested my old hypercard standalone app and it worked swimmingly. the powerbook hard drive was not partitioned and the 922 system folder is sitting there right next to the osx system folder. am i missing something here? Jeffrey Reynolds On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder. Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, haven't launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well. cheers, - marty -- Marty Billingsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine. I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss. On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Todd and Jim, To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2 system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is already installed. It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on another disk or partition... At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-( Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a better solution to buy an external firewire one... Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit : This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
The problem is nine to five reports under hypercard
On 7/2/05 3:03 PM, jeff reynolds fios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm, i just got my new powerbook this week with tiger installed, but
not classic (i think apple has been doing this for at least a year now
since i have had folks say they didnt have classic and i would just
have them load it from their system discs). the powerbook tiger system
discs came with the classic 922 installer on it. i ran it and it
installed a nice new os922 system folder that works great with tiger.
tested my old hypercard standalone app and it worked swimmingly. the
powerbook hard drive was not partitioned and the 922 system folder is
sitting there right next to the osx system folder.
am i missing something here?
Jeffrey Reynolds
On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly,
haven't
launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
cheers,
- marty
--
Marty Billingsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Todd and Jim,
To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
already installed.
It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
another disk or partition...
At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
better solution to buy an external firewire one...
Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit :
This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System
Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
the System Folder over.
Todd
On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
whether this is true?
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Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi all, I've been following this one from the sidelines. As I've mentioned in this forum on more than one occasion, I'm one of those whose business productivity is still totally dependent on the combination of Hypercard and 9 to 5 Reports. From all the discussion I've read here dealing with two orphaned and obsolete programs, it seems that I may not be as alone as I have sometimes thought. So I guess there are a quite a few of us quietly wait for the release version of Jan Schenkel's Quartam Reports, and fervently hoping that it's interface is half as intuitive as old reliable 9 to 5. So here's a message to Jan: if your Quartam delivers the functionality needed by people like me, I think you'll find that the number of paying customers will far exceed the number of voices which have expressed interest here on the list. More than that, I think there may very well be a substantial number of old Hypercard types who have quietly been waiting for a truly viable reporting scheme before making, or renewing their commitment to Runtime Revolution. Regards, Alan Gayne Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is nine to five reports under hypercard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
9 to 5 Reports (was Tiger breaks hyperCard?)
Alan, You are definitely not alone. There are many of us who continue to use HyperCard - primarily because of 9 to 5 Reports. I can't imagine a better, faster, easier business system builder. If it makes you feel better, 18 months ago I showed Jan what Richard Gaskin calls the 13 minute demo of Reports - what it does, how it does it, why we like it so much. Like you, I wait with high hopes and great expectations. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
More than that, I think there may very well be a substantial number of old Hypercard types who have quietly been waiting for a truly viable reporting scheme before making, or renewing their commitment to Runtime Revolution. Regards, Alan Gayne I'll second that. I used to do everything with Hypercard and 9 to 5 Reports. Marty Knapp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder. Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, haven't launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well. cheers, - marty -- Marty Billingsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine. I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss. On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Todd and Jim, To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2 system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is already installed. It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on another disk or partition... At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-( Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a better solution to buy an external firewire one... Le 28 juin 05 ? 01:22, Todd Higgins a ?crit : This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hello: I have run fine Hypercard in Tiger with G3 and G4 machines. The problems begin in a computer with G5 processor. Hypercard in a G5 computer run bad, bad, bad and slw. (excuse for my bad English) Un saludo Joseba Aguayo Fernández ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Does anyone know if standalones build with hypercard are also effected or is just in the authoring environments the problems show up with tiger? I just tested an old educational app i did (now a decade old and still running, amazing) on a g4 powerbook with tiger and it ran swimmingly. Now i have to dig up a G5 with tiger (waiting a bit before converting my G5). thanks Jeffrey Reynolds 6620 Michaels Dr Bethesda, MD 20817 On Jun 30, 2005, at 8:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have run fine Hypercard in Tiger with G3 and G4 machines. The problems begin in a computer with G5 processor. Hypercard in a G5 computer run bad, bad, bad and slw. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Todd and Jim, To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2 system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is already installed. It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on another disk or partition... At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-( When you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a better solution to buy an external firewire one... Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit : This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Todd and Jim, To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2 system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is already installed. It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on another disk or partition... At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-( When you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a better solution to buy an external firewire one... Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit : This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Todd and Jim, To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2 system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is already installed. It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on another disk or partition... At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-( Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a better solution to buy an external firewire one... Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit : This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine. I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss. On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Todd and Jim, To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2 system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is already installed. It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on another disk or partition... At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make an OS 9 clean install (just copying an existing system folder is risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-( Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a better solution to buy an external firewire one... Le 28 juin 05 à 01:22, Todd Higgins a écrit : This is true. New machines do not ship with the Classic System Folder. But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy the System Folder over. Todd On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Dan, I did not try it myself. This assertion came from authorised Apple Computer France guys I know since many years. So, they may be wrong or too careful :-) Le 28 juin 05 à 18:52, Dan Shafer a écrit : I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine. I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Eric Chatonet wrote: This assertion came from authorised Apple Computer France guys A little industry humor: Q: What's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer salesman? A: The car salesman knows when he's lying. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I skimmed the thread on Tiger breaks hyperCard. I wasn't too concerned at the time. I'm concluding the process of the OS 9 to OS X transition, once and for all. I'm on 10.3.9. I see its virtues. So, now I need another machine capable of running OS X. I'm thinking about Mac Mini, but they ship with Tiger installed. I will probably need to run hyperCard in classic mode occasionally, at least for the next year or so, until my HC--Rev stacks are totally solid. I inquired on comp.sys.mac.apps. The main players there are usually reliable. They say hyperCard works fine on Tiger, in their experience. So, maybe only certain hyperCard features don't work? Which ones? If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? If Tiger-Breaks-HyperCard (and maybe a lot of other Classic applications, too) is a serious problem, would it be reasonable to replace Tiger with OS 10.3.9 on a new Mac Mini? My instincts say, Don't try it. Since I'm on the topic, I don't mind that the Mac Mini is only a G4. The slow system bus speed concerns me, though -- 167 mhz. OTOH, I am only an occasional user of CPU-intensive applications. Is the slow system bus a serious bottleneck? I know this is a little OT. Sorry. I know this is a Rev group, but many of us are former HC users, some still in transition. Hey! I didn't complain about Rev this time! Cheers, Tim Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Tim, I run a G4 bi-pro with Tiger 10.4.1. HyperCard 2.4.1 US with many additional utilities including 120 externals in use, a 3.4 MB library, color tools, a multi-purposes plugin I wrote many years ago (1.5 MB) and much more... A real HC factory which needs an allocation of 15 MB of RAM (nothing at the moment but quite impressive some years ago :-) All that works perfectly with Tiger as it worked with Jaguar and Panther in the Classic environment :-) I think the reported issues are personal ones ;-) Pay attention to RAM allocation: old system 9 feature, often forgotten since Unix came in... Le 27 juin 05 à 21:40, Timothy Miller a écrit : I skimmed the thread on Tiger breaks hyperCard. I wasn't too concerned at the time. I'm concluding the process of the OS 9 to OS X transition, once and for all. I'm on 10.3.9. I see its virtues. So, now I need another machine capable of running OS X. I'm thinking about Mac Mini, but they ship with Tiger installed. I will probably need to run hyperCard in classic mode occasionally, at least for the next year or so, until my HC--Rev stacks are totally solid. I inquired on comp.sys.mac.apps. The main players there are usually reliable. They say hyperCard works fine on Tiger, in their experience. So, maybe only certain hyperCard features don't work? Which ones? If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? If Tiger-Breaks-HyperCard (and maybe a lot of other Classic applications, too) is a serious problem, would it be reasonable to replace Tiger with OS 10.3.9 on a new Mac Mini? My instincts say, Don't try it. Since I'm on the topic, I don't mind that the Mac Mini is only a G4. The slow system bus speed concerns me, though -- 167 mhz. OTOH, I am only an occasional user of CPU-intensive applications. Is the slow system bus a serious bottleneck? I know this is a little OT. Sorry. I know this is a Rev group, but many of us are former HC users, some still in transition. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I can report that HC seems to work just fine in Tiger. I don't use it often and I haven't done any new development in it, but the old HC stacks I have lying around before I port them to Rev all seem to run along fat, dumb, and happy. Dan On Jun 27, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Tim, I run a G4 bi-pro with Tiger 10.4.1. HyperCard 2.4.1 US with many additional utilities including 120 externals in use, a 3.4 MB library, color tools, a multi-purposes plugin I wrote many years ago (1.5 MB) and much more... A real HC factory which needs an allocation of 15 MB of RAM (nothing at the moment but quite impressive some years ago :-) All that works perfectly with Tiger as it worked with Jaguar and Panther in the Classic environment :-) I think the reported issues are personal ones ;-) Pay attention to RAM allocation: old system 9 feature, often forgotten since Unix came in... Le 27 juin 05 à 21:40, Timothy Miller a écrit : I skimmed the thread on Tiger breaks hyperCard. I wasn't too concerned at the time. I'm concluding the process of the OS 9 to OS X transition, once and for all. I'm on 10.3.9. I see its virtues. So, now I need another machine capable of running OS X. I'm thinking about Mac Mini, but they ship with Tiger installed. I will probably need to run hyperCard in classic mode occasionally, at least for the next year or so, until my HC--Rev stacks are totally solid. I inquired on comp.sys.mac.apps. The main players there are usually reliable. They say hyperCard works fine on Tiger, in their experience. So, maybe only certain hyperCard features don't work? Which ones? If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? If Tiger-Breaks-HyperCard (and maybe a lot of other Classic applications, too) is a serious problem, would it be reasonable to replace Tiger with OS 10.3.9 on a new Mac Mini? My instincts say, Don't try it. Since I'm on the topic, I don't mind that the Mac Mini is only a G4. The slow system bus speed concerns me, though -- 167 mhz. OTOH, I am only an occasional user of CPU-intensive applications. Is the slow system bus a serious bottleneck? I know this is a little OT. Sorry. I know this is a Rev group, but many of us are former HC users, some still in transition. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Tim, I have been using HyperCard in Classic ever since there was Classic. There are two issues in Tiger that were not problems in earlier OS X: some plugins will not load and reports made with 9 to 5 Reports do not work. Both of these issues involve a problem with the new way Tiger handles paths. This also affects other applications so I expect to see Apple fix it - they may have already fixed Reports with the 10.4.1 security upgrade, it seems to be working but I no longer use HyperCard enough to do thorough testing. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Thanks a bunch, Eric. That's a big relief. While I'm at it, thanks to Richard Gaskin for his recent reply on another thread regarding stack names, stack labels, file names, etc. Tim Miller Hi Tim, I run a G4 bi-pro with Tiger 10.4.1. HyperCard 2.4.1 US with many additional utilities including 120 externals in use, a 3.4 MB library, color tools, a multi-purposes plugin I wrote many years ago (1.5 MB) and much more... A real HC factory which needs an allocation of 15 --snip-- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
On 6/27/05 2:40 PM, Timothy Miller wrote: If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? I don't run Tiger, but this is what I have heard: Under Tiger, the global file paths which are stored in the Home stack are no longer recognized. If your stacks depend on the Home stack globals, they break. You can't open the script of the Home stack from within the Home stack. You can open it remotely, however (i.e., from some other stack, edit script of stack Home in the message box.) Some report that you cannot edit ANY stack script from within that stack; they must all be accessed remotely as above. Some report that Tiger 10.4.1 fixes the file path problems. Others say it doesn't. Some report that running HC off a non-startup volume fixes things. Others say it doesn't. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Ti, Jacque and Chris, I haven't done any new development with HC since years but I reopen it often to get some old recipes in my huge lib. I made some experiments running 10.4.1. I have to add (according to Jacque and Chris comments) that HC is located on a non-startup disk dedicated to Classic only. I experimented that script editing works fine, start using and third party tools as windowScript too. The only problem I found (but I did not search very deep :-) is that if new folder filepaths are well stored in the home stack (as they have to be according to user navigation) they obviously can't be used by the engine to open without dialog the stacks which are NOT in the same folder than HC itself. This affects mainly the navigation buttons located on the home stack but can't be a real problem for any project :-) Le 27 juin 05 à 23:18, J. Landman Gay a écrit : I don't run Tiger, but this is what I have heard: Under Tiger, the global file paths which are stored in the Home stack are no longer recognized. If your stacks depend on the Home stack globals, they break. You can't open the script of the Home stack from within the Home stack. You can open it remotely, however (i.e., from some other stack, edit script of stack Home in the message box.) Some report that you cannot edit ANY stack script from within that stack; they must all be accessed remotely as above. Some report that Tiger 10.4.1 fixes the file path problems. Others say it doesn't. Some report that running HC off a non-startup volume fixes things. Others say it doesn't. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Tiger does not include Classic, and I don't think Jaguar did either. So if you don't have an old install you'll have to re-install from an OS 9 CD. If this is a first Mac and you don't have an OS 9 CD, you're hosed. Half a decade into OS X, Apple is moving agressively to kill OS 9. The new MacTel machines will seal Classic's fate, as IIRC the Classic layer will be ported. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
