Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Jacque, I can smell the memories... We used to live in Diamond Bar (CA) up on a hill overlooking the valley between us Cal Poly Pomona. Great vantage point for watching 4th of July fireworks as long as one had a gas mask. OTOH, there's always sunny SoCal in San Diego County... We've got Legoland the beach! Judy On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, J. Landman Gay wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: On 12/21/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or Omaha, where my parents live...can't get much more central than that. We could all go visit the stockyards after hours... If I close my eyes and try real hard, I can already see them now. Wait, what's that smell? I'm drifting off topic here now, but my high school was the old capital building (before they yanked the capital away and put it in Lincoln,) located on a hill overlooking downtown Omaha, just past which was the Cudahy meatpacking plant (now closed) and their stockyards. Every fine spring day we'd sit in our non-air-conditioned classrooms with the windows wide open, and the..um...aroma of the cattle (or what was left of them) would gently waft through the windows. It builds character, I tell you. You're a Texan, you should know about cattle. ;) My grandpa used to deliver dead cows to the yards in an old pickup truck. After accompanying him once at the age of five, my father never did get over it and became a vegetarian for life. Most of us these days are pretty divorced from where our food comes from. On a brighter note, Omaha does have the Henry Doorly Zoo, which is one of the best in the country (and it really does take several days to see it all.) And the botanical gardens. And I'm sure there's other stuff there that smells better too. :) We return you now to your regularly scheduled Revolution discussion. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
I vote for Kentucky! No - how about Vieanna, or Belrin, London, or Istanbul? More seriously can we not have a networked conference - that is smaller local and more personal and low cost spaces for real space meet ups - but conected online where talks can be screened? From a community point of view more of us could attend, and from a promotional point of view the emphasis on online and media rich Rev based content would be more effective than any real space event. I'm organising a few of these events in the Spring - between Germany and USA, possibly involving a number of other centres in the University setting. The aim is to use what the US called Internet2 - http://international.internet2.edu/partners/ so that video can be shared transparently between sites. Linking in with this and Josh's suggestion... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
GREAT IDEA. not as cool as having a drink and Dinner with Andre however... I too was looking forward to and planning for summer 2007 in Monterey. That is such a cool little conference place. I vote for Kentucky! No - how about Vieanna, or Belrin, London, or Istanbul? More seriously can we not have a networked conference - that is smaller local and more personal and low cost spaces for real space meet ups - but conected online where talks can be screened? From a community point of view more of us could attend, and from a promotional point of view the emphasis on online and media rich Rev based content would be more effective than any real space event. I'm organising a few of these events in the Spring - between Germany and USA, possibly involving a number of other centres in the University setting. The aim is to use what the US called Internet2 - http://international.internet2.edu/partners/ so that video can be shared transparently between sites. Linking in with this and Josh's suggestion... -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
I have some cool Rev based stuff for multi-screen installations - I'm currently looking at how to integrate live video chat into a Rev based environment - but so far no joy - ay ideas anyone? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
On 22 Dec 2006, at 23:02, David Bovill wrote: I vote for Kentucky! No - how about Vieanna, or Belrin, London, or Istanbul? More seriously can we not have a networked conference - that is smaller local and more personal and low cost spaces for real space meet ups Or even more personal ... Lets buy RunRev a bus, preferably yellow with painted flowers. Then they can come and visit us. They could give up their Edinburgh office and do development on the road. I can hear the Cat Stevens songs already. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Stephen, LOL You know Stephen, I can do networked dinners now... all it takes is low latency on the network and a very synchronized crew. I like the idea of some networked experiments. I was going to vote about RevCon Mayhem, I mean, RevCon South and have it here in Brazil during the carnival but the idea of trying some get together on the network is cool. I really liked the online scripting conferences, we should have them on a bi-weekly basis. cheers On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: GREAT IDEA. not as cool as having a drink and Dinner with Andre however... I too was looking forward to and planning for summer 2007 in Monterey. That is such a cool little conference place. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Dave, I passed a green bus full of flowers today, did I just saw Runtime Revolution BETA Bus or something?! Cheers andre On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:56 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: On 22 Dec 2006, at 23:02, David Bovill wrote: I vote for Kentucky! No - how about Vieanna, or Belrin, London, or Istanbul? More seriously can we not have a networked conference - that is smaller local and more personal and low cost spaces for real space meet ups Or even more personal ... Lets buy RunRev a bus, preferably yellow with painted flowers. Then they can come and visit us. They could give up their Edinburgh office and do development on the road. I can hear the Cat Stevens songs already. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Well each to their own! I'd organise a parallel event somewhere, and would try my hardest to avoid hippy connotations - though I usually fail - http://www.monochrom.org/flowerbank/index-en.htm I'd prefer a serious demonstration of Rev and internet connected apps applied to both the user community and as a promotional tool fro RunRev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What's Up With RevCon West?
By now, you've probably seen the quasi-announcement from RunRev that they are planning some sort of conference activity this year. It may (or may not) have occurred to you to wonder what that means for RevCon West in Monterey. Chipp and I took a long, hard look at RevCon after the last show and decided not to hold it, at least this year. There were a lot of reasons, some financial, some personal, some work related, and some driving from the feeling tha we weren't serving a very broad community need with our offering. We had not decided whether we would pick up the conference again in 2008, perhaps at a different location (though everyone who has attended has been consistent in urging us to keep it in Monterey). As soon as we had decided to cancel this year's show, we notified Kevin and Lynn at RunRev. We did not want to announce our decision in a way that could harm the community's perception of the ongoing value we place on the technology. They asked us to hold off until they could make their own conference plans clearer. That was the first we'd heard that they were planning to do a (potentially competitive) conference this year and it further reinforced our decision. Obviously this community is not large enough to make multiple multi-day conferences profitable in the U.S. We agreed, somewhat reluctantly because we really felt our primary obligation was to you, the members of this outstanding community, to hold off on our announcement so we could all effect an orderly transition. The mention yesterday of RR's intent to do something in the conference space rendered that delay no longer operable. So now you know. No RevCon West next year. If RR goes ahead with its own conference, that will probably effectively kill RevCon West for future years as well. It was fun. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: What's Up With RevCon West?
As soon as we had decided to cancel this year's show, we notified Kevin and Lynn at RunRev. We did not want to announce our decision in a way that could harm the community's perception of the ongoing value we place on the technology. They asked us to hold off until they could make their own conference plans clearer. Dan, Im snipping out the portion of your email where it diverges from Runtime's perception of events. It is always in the mind of a vendor to manage their own events. You've put together two great shows that Ive been to - that being said - once you told us that you were not going to run RevCon - we had to make a decision to assess a vendor run event *in its absence*. There's a lot of speculation in your post which is misinformed and should not be discussed on an open forum in any event. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Lynn, Instead of reacting defensively, all you need to is say 'my bad, we made a mistake'. A quick apology is something which is a handy tool for those who hang their hat on building 3rd party relationships. This is no big deal. I had mentioned earlier to Dan we should just announce to the community we would not be hosting RevConWest this year, but he was adamant about coordinating our announcement with RunRev, in the best interests of the community. As you know, we have had a tough time financially supporting RevCon, especially with meager support from RR (I know they did their best). After Dan contacted RR, we were told to 'hold off on announcing until we have our plans in place'-- which was fine. The slip in the newsletter of course gave it all away -- which is somewhat confusing as my latest article on altSQLite has been gone over time and time again by your editors-- so much so it's no longer going to be run. For those interested in the 'lost' altSQLite article for the Rev Newsletter, you can check it out here: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altSQLiteNewsletterColumn.htm I've always felt we hosted a high quality conference without cutting too many corners. I hope you all do as good a job or better with your conference-- if you don't we may have to 'try again.' ;-) best regards, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Dan wrote: They asked us to hold off until they could make their own conference plans clearer. That was the first we'd heard that they were planning to do a (potentially competitive) conference this year and it further reinforced our decision. Then Lynn wrote: Im snipping out the portion of your email where it diverges from Runtime's perception of events. I have no interest in the soap opera'ish story that is unfolding on this list about why RevConWest is no more, or who is to blame for the information leak. What concerns me is that the planned location of the conference is seemingly locked-in to the west coast, and I am an east coast Rev user. I would prefer a Rev sponsored event to take place either alternating on the west/east coast, or that is always somewhere in the middle, or keeps moving around each year to keep it interesting. I've wanted to attend, but have never been able to justify the distance of travel and length of time away from work. Single day or two day events are easier to justify/balance with work. I look forward to seeing what RunTime comes up with to engage the broader Rev audience. Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer a Rev sponsored event to take place either alternating on the west/east coast, or that is always somewhere in the middle, or keeps moving around each year to keep it interesting. I have wished for a more central location ever since the event began. Minneapolis is a very nice central location. :; Or Omaha, where my parents live...can't get much more central than that. We could all go visit the stockyards after hours... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
On 12/21/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or Omaha, where my parents live...can't get much more central than that. We could all go visit the stockyards after hours... If I close my eyes and try real hard, I can already see them now. Wait, what's that smell? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
How about something in Canada? I'm sure me and the other two Rev developers up here could always meet at a Tim Horton's somewhere of course Burger King has free wireless internet ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Since we had the Olympicsw here in Sydney in 2000 we have great infrastructure so I think we could handle the conference here. (and the harbour and opera house is a beautiful backdrop for code camps. Any thoughts : ) JT -Original Message- From: Shao Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 05:31 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: What's Up With RevCon West? How about something in Canada? I'm sure me and the other two Rev developers up here could always meet at a Tim Horton's somewhere of course Burger King has free wireless internet ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: What's Up With RevCon West?
How about something in Canada? I'm sure me and the other two Rev developers up here could always meet at a Tim Horton's somewhere of course Burger King has free wireless internet ;-) Where are you in Canada? Vancouver BC is not so far off if someone orchestrated a one-dayer in Seattle (or Vancouver for that matter). Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Chipp Walters wrote: On 12/21/06, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or Omaha, where my parents live...can't get much more central than that. We could all go visit the stockyards after hours... If I close my eyes and try real hard, I can already see them now. Wait, what's that smell? I'm drifting off topic here now, but my high school was the old capital building (before they yanked the capital away and put it in Lincoln,) located on a hill overlooking downtown Omaha, just past which was the Cudahy meatpacking plant (now closed) and their stockyards. Every fine spring day we'd sit in our non-air-conditioned classrooms with the windows wide open, and the..um...aroma of the cattle (or what was left of them) would gently waft through the windows. It builds character, I tell you. You're a Texan, you should know about cattle. ;) My grandpa used to deliver dead cows to the yards in an old pickup truck. After accompanying him once at the age of five, my father never did get over it and became a vegetarian for life. Most of us these days are pretty divorced from where our food comes from. On a brighter note, Omaha does have the Henry Doorly Zoo, which is one of the best in the country (and it really does take several days to see it all.) And the botanical gardens. And I'm sure there's other stuff there that smells better too. :) We return you now to your regularly scheduled Revolution discussion. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
I agree with Roger, please consider an East Coast location Thanks, An East Coast coder, Todd On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan wrote: They asked us to hold off until they could make their own conference plans clearer. That was the first we'd heard that they were planning to do a (potentially competitive) conference this year and it further reinforced our decision. Then Lynn wrote: Im snipping out the portion of your email where it diverges from Runtime's perception of events. I have no interest in the soap opera'ish story that is unfolding on this list about why RevConWest is no more, or who is to blame for the information leak. What concerns me is that the planned location of the conference is seemingly locked-in to the west coast, and I am an east coast Rev user. I would prefer a Rev sponsored event to take place either alternating on the west/east coast, or that is always somewhere in the middle, or keeps moving around each year to keep it interesting. I've wanted to attend, but have never been able to justify the distance of travel and length of time away from work. Single day or two day events are easier to justify/balance with work. I look forward to seeing what RunTime comes up with to engage the broader Rev audience. Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
On Thu Dec 21, 2006; Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: What concerns me is that the planned location of the conference is seemingly locked-in to the west coast, and I am an east coast Rev user. I would prefer a Rev sponsored event to take place either alternating on the west/east coast. . I look forward to seeing what RunTime comes up with to engage the broader Rev audience. What about Miami for a change? Sunny and warm all the year, but not as hot as Las Vegas. Great places and beaches - a trip to the Everglades (alligators and boa constrictors are fighting there) and to the Keys (visit the Loreley restaurant on the Matecumbe Key and Hemingways Home in Key West) is recommended, or visit Edison's and Ford's joint estates and research facilities in Fort Myers.. There are also a number of great computer-oriented magnet schools and creative computer classes in other schools in Miami-Dade county that could be interested in the RevCon proceedings or could benefit from such an event. I wish you all a Merry Xmas (supporting the interpretation of Richard Gaskin) and a creative New Year! Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
I used to live in Omaha. pew. Even in the suburbs. Kansas City? Perhaps the Plaza District. I have wished for a more central location ever since the event began. Minneapolis is a very nice central location. :; Or Omaha, where my parents live...can't get much more central than that. We could all go visit the stockyards after hours... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's Up With RevCon West?
Hi Dan Chipp and everyone, If you (or anyone) wish to hold a Revolution event in LA, I would cover the upfront expenses of the venue, probably LA Convention Center, monster projector and screen, great sound system, donate video gear for taping (again), do some co-co-ordination, etc. We are event experts, we've put on about 1500 events of various kinds in the last 7 years, and have all systems in place, from registration to name badges, etc. Also, FYI, for groups of 50 or less, we have a seminar room in Santa Monica, and a hands-on training room with 10 workstations as well. Just wanted to make everyone aware of these resources if they might come in handy for the cause. Cheerios! On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: By now, you've probably seen the quasi-announcement from RunRev that they are planning some sort of conference activity this year. It may (or may not) have occurred to you to wonder what that means for RevCon West in Monterey. Chipp and I took a long, hard look at RevCon after the last show and decided not to hold it, at least this year. There were a lot of reasons, some financial, some personal, some work related, and some driving from the feeling tha we weren't serving a very broad community need with our offering. We had not decided whether we would pick up the conference again in 2008, perhaps at a different location (though everyone who has attended has been consistent in urging us to keep it in Monterey). As soon as we had decided to cancel this year's show, we notified Kevin and Lynn at RunRev. We did not want to announce our decision in a way that could harm the community's perception of the ongoing value we place on the technology. They asked us to hold off until they could make their own conference plans clearer. That was the first we'd heard that they were planning to do a (potentially competitive) conference this year and it further reinforced our decision. Obviously this community is not large enough to make multiple multi-day conferences profitable in the U.S. We agreed, somewhat reluctantly because we really felt our primary obligation was to you, the members of this outstanding community, to hold off on our announcement so we could all effect an orderly transition. The mention yesterday of RR's intent to do something in the conference space rendered that delay no longer operable. So now you know. No RevCon West next year. If RR goes ahead with its own conference, that will probably effectively kill RevCon West for future years as well. It was fun. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: What's Up With RevCon West?
Where are you in Canada? Vancouver BC is not so far off if someone orchestrated a one-dayer in Seattle (or Vancouver for that matter). Sorry Lynn, I'm in a little city called Sudbury which is in Ontario (4 hours north of Toronto FYI).. Supposedly southern Ontario (where Toronto is) is close enough to a lot of the eastern american cities for a day trip (New York, Boston, etc).. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
