Re: Notes and questions from performing a large delete
Thanks Nate. I hadn't noticed that and it definitely explains it.
It'd be nice to see that called out much more clearly. As we found out the
implications can be severe!
-Josh
On Thursday, December 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Nate McCall wrote:
Per the 256mb to 5mb change, check the very last section of this page:
http://www.datastax.com/documentation/cql/3.0/webhelp/cql/cql_reference/alter_table_r.html
Changing any compaction or compression option erases all previous compaction
or compression settings.
In other words, you have to include the whole 'WITH' clause each time - in
the future just grab the output from 'show schema' and add/modify as needed.
I did not know this either until it happened to me as well - could probably
stand to be a little bit more front-and-center, IMO.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Josh Dzielak j...@keen.io
(mailto:j...@keen.io) wrote:
We recently had a little Cassandra party I wanted to share and see if
anyone has notes to compare. Or can tell us what we did wrong or what we
could do better. :) Apologies in advance for the length of the narrative
here.
Task at hand: Delete about 50% of the rows in a large column family (~8TB)
to reclaim some disk. These are rows are used only for intermediate storage.
Sequence of events:
- Issue the actual deletes. This, obviously, was super-fast.
- Nothing happens yet, which makes sense. New tombstones are not
immediately compacted b/c of gc_grace_seconds.
- Adjust gc_grace_seconds down to 60 from 86400 using ALTER TABLE in CQL.
- Every node started working very hard. We saw disk space start to free up.
It was exciting.
- Eventually the compactions finished and we had gotten a ton of disk back.
- However, our SSTables were now 5Mb, not 256Mb as they had always been :(
- We inspected the schema in CQL/Opscenter etc and sure enough
sstable_size_in_mb had changed to 5Mb for this CF. Previously all CFs were
set at 256Mb, and all other CF's still were.
- At 5Mb we had a huge number of SSTables. Our next goal was to get these
tables back to 256Mb.
- First step was to update the schema back to 256Mb.
- Figuring out how to do this in CQL was tricky, because CQL has gone
through a lot of changes recently and getting the docs for your version is
hard. Eventually we figured it out - ALTER TABLE events WITH
compaction={'class':'LeveledCompactionStrategy','sstable_size_in_mb':256};
- Out of our 12 nodes, 9 acknowledged the update. The others showed the old
schema still.
- The remaining 3 would not. There was no extra load was on the systems,
operational status was very clean. All nodes could see each other.
- For each of the remaining 3 we tried to update the schema through a local
cqlsh session. The same ALTER TABLE would just hang forever.
- We restarted Cassandra on each of the 3 nodes, then did the ALTER TABLE
again. It worked this time. We finally had schema agreement.
- Starting with just 1 node, we kicked off upgradesstables, hoping it would
rebuild the 5Mb tables to 256Mb tables.
- Nothing happened. This was (afaik) because the sstable size change
doesn't represent a new version of schema for the sstables. So existing
tables are ignored.
- We discovered the -a option for upgradesstables, which tells it to skip
the schema check just and just do all the tables anyway.
- We ran upgradesstables -a and things started happening. After a few hours
the pending compactions finished.
- Sadly, this node was now using 3x the disk it previously had. Some
sstables were now 256Mb, but not all. There were tens of thousands of ~20Mb
tables.
- A direct comparison to other nodes owning the same % of the ring showed
both the same number of sstables and the same ratio of 256Mb+ tables to
small tables. However, on a 'normal' node the small tables were all 5-6Mb
and on the fat, upgraded node, all the tables were 20Mb+. This was why the
fat node was taking up 3x disk overall.
- I tried to see what was in those 20Mb files relative to the 5Mb ones but
sstable2json failed against our authenticated keyspace. I filed a bug
(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-6450).
- Had little choice here. We shut down the fat node, did a manual delete of
sstables, brought it back up and did a repair. It came back to the right
size.
TL;DR / Our big questions are:
How could the schema have spontaneously changed from 256Mb
sstable_size_in_mb to 5Mb?
How could schema propagation failed such that only 9 of 12 nodes got the
change even when cluster was healthy? Why did updating schema locally hang
until restart?
What could have happened inside of upgradesstables that created the node
with the same ring % but 3x disk load?
We're on Cassandra 1.2.8, Java 6, Ubuntu 12. Running on SSD's, 12 node
cluster across 2 DCs. No compression, leveled compaction. Happy to
Re: Notes and questions from performing a large delete
It is definately unexpected and can be very impactful to reset such
impprtant settings.
On Saturday, December 7, 2013, Josh Dzielak j...@keen.io wrote:
Thanks Nate. I hadn't noticed that and it definitely explains it.
It'd be nice to see that called out much more clearly. As we found out
the implications can be severe!
-Josh
On Thursday, December 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Nate McCall wrote:
Per the 256mb to 5mb change, check the very last section of this page:
http://www.datastax.com/documentation/cql/3.0/webhelp/cql/cql_reference/alter_table_r.html
Changing any compaction or compression option erases all previous
compaction or compression settings.
In other words, you have to include the whole 'WITH' clause each time -
in the future just grab the output from 'show schema' and add/modify as
needed.
I did not know this either until it happened to me as well - could
probably stand to be a little bit more front-and-center, IMO.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Josh Dzielak j...@keen.io wrote:
We recently had a little Cassandra party I wanted to share and see if
anyone has notes to compare. Or can tell us what we did wrong or what we
could do better. :) Apologies in advance for the length of the narrative
here.
Task at hand: Delete about 50% of the rows in a large column family
(~8TB) to reclaim some disk. These are rows are used only for intermediate
storage.
Sequence of events:
- Issue the actual deletes. This, obviously, was super-fast.
- Nothing happens yet, which makes sense. New tombstones are not
immediately compacted b/c of gc_grace_seconds.
- Adjust gc_grace_seconds down to 60 from 86400 using ALTER TABLE in CQL.
- Every node started working very hard. We saw disk space start to free
up. It was exciting.
- Eventually the compactions finished and we had gotten a ton of disk
back.
- However, our SSTables were now 5Mb, not 256Mb as they had always been :(
- We inspected the schema in CQL/Opscenter etc and sure enough
sstable_size_in_mb had changed to 5Mb for this CF. Previously all CFs were
set at 256Mb, and all other CF's still were.
- At 5Mb we had a huge number of SSTables. Our next goal was to get these
tables back to 256Mb.
- First step was to update the schema back to 256Mb.
- Figuring out how to do this in CQL was tricky, because CQL has gone
through a lot of changes recently and getting the docs for your version is
hard. Eventually we figured it out - ALTER TABLE events WITH
compaction={'class':'LeveledCompactionStrategy','sstable_size_in_mb':256};
- Out of our 12 nodes, 9 acknowledged the update. The others showed the
old schema still.
- The remaining 3 would not. There was no extra load was on the systems,
operational status was very clean. All nodes could see each other.
- For each of the remaining 3 we tried to update the schema through a
local cqlsh session. The same ALTER TABLE would just hang forever.
- We restarted Cassandra on each of the 3 nodes, then did the ALTER TABLE
again. It worked this time. We finally had schema agreement.
- Starting with just 1 node, we kicked off upgradesstables, hoping it
would rebuild the 5Mb tables to 256Mb tables.
- Nothing happened. This was (afaik) because the sstable size change
doesn't represent a new version of schema for the sstables. So existing
tables are ignored.
- We discovered the -a option for upgradesstables, which tells it to
skip the schema check just and just do all the tables anyway.
- We ran upgradesstables -a and things started happening. After a few
hours the pending compactions finished.
- Sadly, this node was now using 3x the disk it previously had. Some
sstables were now 256Mb, but not all. There were tens of thousands of ~20Mb
tables.
- A direct comparison to other nodes owning the same % of the ring showed
both the same number of sstables and the same ratio of 256Mb+ tables to
small tables. However, on a 'normal' node the small tables were all 5-6Mb
and on the fat, upgraded node, all the tables were 20Mb+. This was why the
fat node was taking up 3x disk overall.
- I tried to see what was in those 20Mb files relative to the 5Mb ones
but sstable2json failed against our authenticated keyspace. I filed a bug.
- Had little choice here. We shut down the fat node, did a manual delete
of sstables, br
--
Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check than
usual.
Re: Notes and questions from performing a large delete
Per the 256mb to 5mb change, check the very last section of this page:
http://www.datastax.com/documentation/cql/3.0/webhelp/cql/cql_reference/alter_table_r.html
Changing any compaction or compression option erases all previous
compaction or compression settings.
In other words, you have to include the whole 'WITH' clause each time - in
the future just grab the output from 'show schema' and add/modify as
needed.
I did not know this either until it happened to me as well - could probably
stand to be a little bit more front-and-center, IMO.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Josh Dzielak j...@keen.io wrote:
We recently had a little Cassandra party I wanted to share and see if
anyone has notes to compare. Or can tell us what we did wrong or what we
could do better. :) Apologies in advance for the length of the narrative
here.
*Task at hand*: Delete about 50% of the rows in a large column family
(~8TB) to reclaim some disk. These are rows are used only for intermediate
storage.
*Sequence of events*:
- Issue the actual deletes. This, obviously, was super-fast.
- Nothing happens yet, which makes sense. New tombstones are not
immediately compacted b/c of gc_grace_seconds.
- Adjust gc_grace_seconds down to 60 from 86400 using ALTER TABLE in CQL.
- Every node started working very hard. We saw disk space start to free
up. It was exciting.
- Eventually the compactions finished and we had gotten a ton of disk
back.
- However, our SSTables were now 5Mb, not 256Mb as they had always been :(
- We inspected the schema in CQL/Opscenter etc and sure enough
sstable_size_in_mb had changed to 5Mb for this CF. Previously all CFs were
set at 256Mb, and all other CF's still were.
- At 5Mb we had a huge number of SSTables. Our next goal was to get these
tables back to 256Mb.
- First step was to update the schema back to 256Mb.
- Figuring out how to do this in CQL was tricky, because CQL has gone
through a lot of changes recently and getting the docs for your version is
hard. Eventually we figured it out - ALTER TABLE events WITH
compaction={'class':'LeveledCompactionStrategy','sstable_size_in_mb':256};
- Out of our 12 nodes, 9 acknowledged the update. The others showed the
old schema still.
- The remaining 3 would not. There was no extra load was on the systems,
operational status was very clean. All nodes could see each other.
- For each of the remaining 3 we tried to update the schema through a
local cqlsh session. The same ALTER TABLE would just hang forever.
- We restarted Cassandra on each of the 3 nodes, then did the ALTER TABLE
again. It worked this time. We finally had schema agreement.
- Starting with just 1 node, we kicked off upgradesstables, hoping it
would rebuild the 5Mb tables to 256Mb tables.
- Nothing happened. This was (afaik) because the sstable size change
doesn't represent a new version of schema for the sstables. So existing
tables are ignored.
- We discovered the -a option for upgradesstables, which tells it to
skip the schema check just and just do all the tables anyway.
- We ran upgradesstables -a and things started happening. After a few
hours the pending compactions finished.
- Sadly, this node was now using 3x the disk it previously had. Some
sstables were now 256Mb, but not all. There were tens of thousands of ~20Mb
tables.
- A direct comparison to other nodes owning the same % of the ring showed
both the same number of sstables and the same ratio of 256Mb+ tables to
small tables. However, on a 'normal' node the small tables were all 5-6Mb
and on the fat, upgraded node, all the tables were 20Mb+. This was why the
fat node was taking up 3x disk overall.
- I tried to see what was in those 20Mb files relative to the 5Mb ones but
sstable2json failed against our authenticated keyspace. I filed a
bughttps://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-6450
.
- Had little choice here. We shut down the fat node, did a manual delete
of sstables, brought it back up and did a repair. It came back to the right
size.
*TL;DR* / Our big questions are:
How could the schema have spontaneously changed from 256Mb
sstable_size_in_mb to 5Mb?
How could schema propagation failed such that only 9 of 12 nodes got the
change even when cluster was healthy? Why did updating schema locally hang
until restart?
What could have happened inside of upgradesstables that created the node
with the same ring % but 3x disk load?
We're on Cassandra 1.2.8, Java 6, Ubuntu 12. Running on SSD's, 12 node
cluster across 2 DCs. No compression, leveled compaction. Happy to provide
more details. Thanks in advance for any insights into what happened or any
best practices we missed during this episode.
Best,
Josh
--
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Nate McCall
Austin, TX
@zznate
Co-Founder Sr. Technical Consultant
Apache Cassandra Consulting
http://www.thelastpickle.com
Notes and questions from performing a large delete
We recently had a little Cassandra party I wanted to share and see if anyone
has notes to compare. Or can tell us what we did wrong or what we could do
better. :) Apologies in advance for the length of the narrative here.
Task at hand: Delete about 50% of the rows in a large column family (~8TB) to
reclaim some disk. These are rows are used only for intermediate storage.
Sequence of events:
- Issue the actual deletes. This, obviously, was super-fast.
- Nothing happens yet, which makes sense. New tombstones are not immediately
compacted b/c of gc_grace_seconds.
- Adjust gc_grace_seconds down to 60 from 86400 using ALTER TABLE in CQL.
- Every node started working very hard. We saw disk space start to free up. It
was exciting.
- Eventually the compactions finished and we had gotten a ton of disk back.
- However, our SSTables were now 5Mb, not 256Mb as they had always been :(
- We inspected the schema in CQL/Opscenter etc and sure enough
sstable_size_in_mb had changed to 5Mb for this CF. Previously all CFs were set
at 256Mb, and all other CF's still were.
- At 5Mb we had a huge number of SSTables. Our next goal was to get these
tables back to 256Mb.
- First step was to update the schema back to 256Mb.
- Figuring out how to do this in CQL was tricky, because CQL has gone through a
lot of changes recently and getting the docs for your version is hard.
Eventually we figured it out - ALTER TABLE events WITH
compaction={'class':'LeveledCompactionStrategy','sstable_size_in_mb':256};
- Out of our 12 nodes, 9 acknowledged the update. The others showed the old
schema still.
- The remaining 3 would not. There was no extra load was on the systems,
operational status was very clean. All nodes could see each other.
- For each of the remaining 3 we tried to update the schema through a local
cqlsh session. The same ALTER TABLE would just hang forever.
- We restarted Cassandra on each of the 3 nodes, then did the ALTER TABLE
again. It worked this time. We finally had schema agreement.
- Starting with just 1 node, we kicked off upgradesstables, hoping it would
rebuild the 5Mb tables to 256Mb tables.
- Nothing happened. This was (afaik) because the sstable size change doesn't
represent a new version of schema for the sstables. So existing tables are
ignored.
- We discovered the -a option for upgradesstables, which tells it to skip the
schema check just and just do all the tables anyway.
- We ran upgradesstables -a and things started happening. After a few hours the
pending compactions finished.
- Sadly, this node was now using 3x the disk it previously had. Some sstables
were now 256Mb, but not all. There were tens of thousands of ~20Mb tables.
- A direct comparison to other nodes owning the same % of the ring showed both
the same number of sstables and the same ratio of 256Mb+ tables to small
tables. However, on a 'normal' node the small tables were all 5-6Mb and on the
fat, upgraded node, all the tables were 20Mb+. This was why the fat node was
taking up 3x disk overall.
- I tried to see what was in those 20Mb files relative to the 5Mb ones but
sstable2json failed against our authenticated keyspace. I filed a bug
(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-6450).
- Had little choice here. We shut down the fat node, did a manual delete of
sstables, brought it back up and did a repair. It came back to the right size.
TL;DR / Our big questions are:
How could the schema have spontaneously changed from 256Mb sstable_size_in_mb
to 5Mb?
How could schema propagation failed such that only 9 of 12 nodes got the change
even when cluster was healthy? Why did updating schema locally hang until
restart?
What could have happened inside of upgradesstables that created the node with
the same ring % but 3x disk load?
We're on Cassandra 1.2.8, Java 6, Ubuntu 12. Running on SSD's, 12 node cluster
across 2 DCs. No compression, leveled compaction. Happy to provide more
details. Thanks in advance for any insights into what happened or any best
practices we missed during this episode.
Best,
Josh
