R: Struts vs .NET???
Pardon my intrusion, I just came home from a job trip, and saw more than 100 messages about struts vs .net, and I was not able to read all the messages. I just want to tell my opinion on this topic: I use both Struts and .NET for my job.. Well.. Stuts for my opensource development and .NET for my real payed job. I've always worked on MS for job, and Java for pleasure, and in the last years, with the arrival of .NET I changed a lot my ideas about MS. VB6 was bad, ugly programming language I've ever seen, while Java was a nice OO programming language, every university student will be happy to use since it's all he studied... Now .NET and C# closed the gap: MS has a easy to use OO programming language (VC++ was very complex to use), it has ASP.NET with are quite similar to JSF. For my point of view the differences between the 2 platforms are nil... (ok, one has that, the other has something else, but generally speaking they are the same) The only thing that, IMHO, .NET has is Visual Studio, while Java have Eclipse, NetBeans... VS is the best IDE I've ever seen, and VS2005 will be even better, with testing, code coverage, integrated webserver and design tools. And all out of the box. While setting up Eclipse, to debug Struts application with Apache Tomcat is a pain... And think about the desktop applications: no visual designer for Java can generate a nice code for the buttons and panels of the GUI. (unless it use it's own GUI api like jBuilder or Eclipse) And speaking about performances... Generally speaking, in my experience, struts/java based web applications tend to use much more CPU and memory than .NET ones. Hope I didn't said something already said before... Best regards Simone - Simone Chiaretta www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard -Messaggio originale- Da: Gregory Seidman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: domenica 3 luglio 2005 16.10 A: user@struts.apache.org Oggetto: Re: Struts vs .NET??? On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 07:56:23PM -0700, netsql wrote: [...] } And now this is realy going to piss you off: You can do Apache Struts } MVC in C#: } http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/struts/sandbox/trunk/overdri ve/Nexus/Core/?rev=208875 See, now *that's* a cool idea. I'm afraid the straight code isn't of much use to me without some examples of how it integrates with ASP.NET, but if it can integrate as well as it does with JSP, that would be excellent. Note that I haven't been claiming that struts is dead, nor that it should be; I have only been encouraging people to take a look at what the competition is doing better right now. From that perspective, this can't possibly piss me off. It's actually quite exciting. } .V --Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which release to use for production?
I'm still using 1.1 Nicolas De Loof wrote: 1.2.4 is the current stable version I'm using Sturts 1.2.6 for production, as known bugs does not affect my app. Take a look at bug list to check if you can use it for your apps. 1.3.x is in development and not ready for production. Use it only for early test as a preview. Martin Kindler a écrit : Hi group, I have successfully developed a prototype system using Struts 1.2.1 and are about to start rewriting it for production use. Therefore I would like to use the most up-to-date stable version. Looking thru the archives, wiki, and the download site I am a bit confused: last released version is 1.2.4, 1.2.6 is labelled beta but has apparently not changed for half a year (millenia in struts release periods), there also seems to be work ongoing on 1.2.7. Many members of this list seem to work with 1.3. Not talking about 2.x ... So I am confused. I want to start with a version which is definitely no longer beta, but is 1.2.4 therefore the right choice? Any remarks are welcome! martin --- cityExperience.net Dipl. Inf. Martin Kindler Kaulbachstr. 20a D-12247 Berlin Deutschland eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. +49 (030) 260 78 48 2 Fax +49 (030) 260 78 48 3 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: content management tool
I'm developing an open source CMS.. it's in the very alpha stage, still nothing released to the public.. www.jclubhouse.org I'll post more info when something is released.. Simone sudip shrestha wrote: Just curious if there are any struts based content managment tools out there! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Editing jsp pages
I think this is not what Joe was looking for... you provided the solution for the question: How can I edit an HTML text from a JSP? I think he was looking for a JSP editor, to make JSP pages... unfortunately I cannot help you... I use e text editor, but I'm starting to use Eclipse... anyway eclipes is in text mode for editing jsp Simone Mark Benussi wrote: Joe, this message pops up every once in a while. FCK Editor is popular http://www.fckeditor.net/demo/default.html However I wrote my own, don't groan ;), based on this because I wanted to work with the back end integration more. An editable div is essentially the best way to go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 April 2005 14:00 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Editing jsp pages I wanted to know what is the best way to edit jsp pages that gives you a GUI interface versus using a text editor. If I should post this question to a different group, sorry in advance. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best practice for storing configuration data
Great, I like the idea of storing data inside the server.xml or using the admin tool... using the Environment tag... if you have access to the adminstration of the server unfortunately this doesn't work if you just have access to you context directory... From what I read on all the thread http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=7687427r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=7687427r=1w=2 the only possibile solution is saving application data in the web.xml simone Erik Weber wrote: Related: http://www.mail-archive.com/user@struts.apache.org/msg24083.html Erik Simone - Dev wrote: Today I run into an dubt: is the way I always used to store application dependent configuration is correct? I use to store this kind of information in the we.xml file using context-param like this one context-param param-nameuploadedFilePath/param-name param-valueD:/Documenti/Progetti/jClubHouse/build/uploadedFiles//param-value descriptionThe path to save the uploadedFiles to/description /context-param and then inside actions, I retrieve it using String uploadDir=getServlet().getServletContext().getInitParameter(uploadedFilePath); is there a better practice or is this the right one? Simone - Simone Chiaretta www.piyosailing.com/S http://www.piyosailing.com/S /Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic/ /Life is short, play hard/ http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=2476t=81 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best practice for storing configuration data
Title: Messaggio
Today I run into an
dubt:
is the way I always
used to store application dependent configuration is
correct?
I use to store this
kind of information in the we.xml file using context-paramlike
this one
context-paramparam-nameuploadedFilePath/param-name
param-valueD:/Documenti/Progetti/jClubHouse/build/uploadedFiles//param-value
descriptionThe path to save the uploadedFiles
to/description /context-param
and then inside
actions, I retrieve it using
String
uploadDir=getServlet().getServletContext().getInitParameter("uploadedFilePath");
is there a better
practice or is this the right one?
Simone
-Simone Chiarettawww.piyosailing.com/SAny sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic
"Life is
short, play hard"
R: How to render html embedded in a text-area?
Just want to point out a few things
On the fckeditor.net site there is just the new beta 2.0 version (that
already include the JSP tag lib)
For a production environment I suggest the use of the 1.6 stable version
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=75348package_id=7
5845release_id=236998
It already include a tag lib version, too...
lib support
The one avalible on my site was a pre-release version of the JSP tag.
Simone
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-Messaggio originale-
Da: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: martedì 3 agosto 2004 22.07
A: Struts Users Mailing List
Oggetto: Re: How to render html embedded in a text-area?
Another one of these is also FCKeditor:
http://www.fckeditor.net/
Theres a JSP tag version here:
http://www.piyosailing.com/S/index.jsp?redirUrl=/S/programming
-opensource.jsp
Niall
- Original Message -
From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: How to render html embedded in a text-area?
On Tuesday 03 August 2004 17:34, John McGrath wrote:
Something possibly even cooler (as long as the client is
IE 5.5+; otherwise, it won't show up) I recently stumbled over is
http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/
which turns a textarea into a configurable WYSIWYG
HTML editor. Easy to use and 'BSD licensed', IIRC.
-- Chris.
javascript'll preserve line feeds. functions below. to replace
newlines with br/ tags when submitting, do this:
html:form action=*.do onSubmit=newlinesToHtml( this );
then to convert the other way, say when editing the same content,
put this or something like it at the bottom of the page:
script language=JavaScript
!--
htmlToNewlines( document.forms[0] );
//--
/script
function htmlToNewlines( theForm ) {
for( var i=0; itheForm.length; i++ ) {
if( theForm.elements[i].type == textarea ) {
theForm.elements[i-1].value =
theForm.elements[i-1].value.replace(/br \//g,'\n');
}
}
}
function newlinesToHtml( theForm ) {
for( var i=0; itheForm.length; i++ ) {
if( theForm.elements[i].type == textarea ) {
theForm.elements[i-1].value =
theForm.elements[i-1].value.replace(/\n/g, 'br/');
}
}
}
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:24 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: How to render html embedded in a text-area?
Looks like I went a bit over the top with the embedded html
proposal.
It seems the users would be content if whatever they'd
keyed into a
text-area looked the same when subsequently re-displayed
as text in
a document.
ie just preserve the line-feeds, no need for bolding etc.
Any ideas?
If you want someone to see the visualized text as they
are typing,
you're going to need something like a rich text
component that
does that sort of thing in JavaScript. The standard HTML
textarea element
that Struts uses doesn't help you, even if the HTML elements are
literally embedded.
If you are taking content and then literally embedding
it in your
page with something like bean:write, you can turn off the
filtering by saying filter=false in the attributes of
this tag.
Be aware, however, that in doing so *you* are taking
responsibility
for avoiding cross site scripting attacks from potentially
malicious users that try to embed JavaScript markup.
Most likely,
you'll need to scan the text and only allow HTML
elements that are
reasonably harmless (like b).
Craig
Hi All,
I have a struts app that lets users input into text-areas.
Whatever the user entered will later be displayed as text. To
give users some control over presentation, I'd like to
allow them
to enter html directly into a text-area. Struts appears to
convert all html to harmless displayable text, so that hr
appears quite literally as 'hr' rather than as a horizontal
line.
How can I allow users to input effective html? And is
there any
way I
can
ring-fence what they enter, so that any html errors they make
don't
bring
the whole page down?
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[OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
Hello All, I know this is a lot off-topic, but I'm so proud of the portal I designed and developed that I'd like you all know that it has just been released a worldwide soccer portal named Goal.com (www.goal.com) and that now it's having a lot of news and live results and live netcasting on the european championship 2004. I aplogize for the invasion also becuase it's not developed in Struts, but with ASP.NET but as I said, it took me the last 6 month of work to develop the engine that drives that portal (and all its netwok: all main italian soccer teams). I use Struts in my spare time but in my real work I develop with .NET and C# (not my decision, of course)... but I prefer Struts. Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard
Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
This is not a bare commercial mail.. I was just happy of my creature... it's not a pay site, not it has advertising in it.. so if u go or not I'll not earn (or better the costumer who bought the site) a cent. Anyway probably other people in the list understood the real intent of the email, which was both a mail to say I'm happy and to discuss stuts vs C#/.NET Simone mike wrote: I personally object to this crass commercialism injected into a wholly inappropriate environment. I especially dislike people who apologize while doing something they know is wrong. I would encourage members of this list not to look at this site because of this. I know I won't. Michael At 06:11 AM 6/17/2004, Robert Taylor wrote: Wow! Cool site. Good job. Did you do all page authoring(javascript, css, dhtml, graphics, etc...) or just server side development (architecture, site design/structure, functionality, etc...)? How long did it take to design and implement? robert -Original Message- From: Simone - Dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:25 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hello All, I know this is a lot off-topic, but I'm so proud of the portal I designed and developed that I'd like you all know that it has just been released a worldwide soccer portal named Goal.com (www.goal.com) and that now it's having a lot of news and live results and live netcasting on the european championship 2004. I aplogize for the invasion also becuase it's not developed in Struts, but with ASP.NET but as I said, it took me the last 6 month of work to develop the engine that drives that portal (and all its netwok: all main italian soccer teams). I use Struts in my spare time but in my real work I develop with .NET and C# (not my decision, of course)... but I prefer Struts. Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
I'm just a developer... :-) I did the serverside development and the javascript + dhtml (menu) The rest, desing, css, layout design and so on was developed by a webdesigner I'm working on this engine since november Simone Robert Taylor wrote: Wow! Cool site. Good job. Did you do all page authoring(javascript, css, dhtml, graphics, etc...) or just server side development (architecture, site design/structure, functionality, etc...)? How long did it take to design and implement? robert -Original Message- From: Simone - Dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:25 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hello All, I know this is a lot off-topic, but I'm so proud of the portal I designed and developed that I'd like you all know that it has just been released a worldwide soccer portal named Goal.com (www.goal.com) and that now it's having a lot of news and live results and live netcasting on the european championship 2004. I aplogize for the invasion also becuase it's not developed in Struts, but with ASP.NET but as I said, it took me the last 6 month of work to develop the engine that drives that portal (and all its netwok: all main italian soccer teams). I use Struts in my spare time but in my real work I develop with .NET and C# (not my decision, of course)... but I prefer Struts. Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
Thank you for your congratulations...
Search and advanced search will come in a future release... as will
arrive other 10 different language edition
Now, the real point of my email:
Differences between C#/.NET and Struts/JSP
*First let's speak about C# and Java:*
Before the arrive of C# I hated my job... we programmed in VB, and VB
really sucks... so I spent my night develpin with java...
When C# arrived, well... I started loving it again...
C# is just the same as Java... I cannot tell you the pros and cons of
both languages... becuase they are almost the same...
they do the same thing, with more or less the same syntax
C# is a bit more easy when it comes to define getter and setter and with
constructor for derived classes
In java getter/setter are just a method with the getXXX and setXXX
name... but then you have to call it like methods
C# defines properties in a different way:
for example
public String name {
get {
return _name;
}
set {
_name=value;
}
}
and in the user code u just as if u are using a field:
obj.name=mike;
Then another thing is the foreach statement (but if I'm not wrong java
1.5 has this statement, too...)
*ASP.NET and Struts*
One real big advantage in the asp.net framework is that you can
manipulate server side controls (I mean html elements that are declared
as runat=server) directly from the code while with Struts you have to
set a page attribute and then get it in jsp (unless u are using a formBean)
Another great feature is the asp:repeater which automatically binds to
any IEnumerable object and reapeat it on a page (ok, there is with jstl
too..., but with the repeater you have an event that is triggered each
time a new row (or better, before each row) is written on the page, so u
can process it after binding instead of doing it before.
An advantage of ASP.NET is that u don't have to define actionmappings
but there is one-to-one mapping between aspx and cs... but this way u
cannot define the same action for different pages...
I think that the most of the pros of Struts comes from its companion
packages:
Validator and TilesFramework
In ASP.NET there is a validator too... , but the one supplied with
Struts is more powerfull, let you define validation also for query
string, and works with all browser (while the asp.net one works on the
client just for IE, while with Mozilla it does a roundtrip to the server)
A completely missing thin with ASP.NET is something similar to
TilesFramework...
In my portal all the pages except the homepage have the same layout
(header, pagebody, right column, footer)
In ASP.NET there is an equivalent to single tiles: webuser controls,
that contain all processing and layout for a particular type of
contents, like the news list, or the thumbnail list
But if I've 20 pages with the same layout I've to build 20 different
pages, identical with just the page content that is different.
The engine is used to create at almost no develper cost completely
diffrent sites with different layouts... but if I've to change the
layout I've change all pages, while with Tiles I'd have changed just the
layout page, and everthing would have gone in the right place.
For the rest are almost similar... I think the big usabilty and easyness
of develpment differences comes with the IDE used to develop...
Simone
Pilgrim, Peter wrote:
Hi Simone
Congratulations on the portal. I really do like the look and feel
of the pages. In terms of the web design it has a consistent.
You know where you are. You instantly know what you can click on.
The colours are consistent. The menus work.
The only sore point is the search facility. Every web site including
a portal needs a search and advanced search.
`Now To My Real Point'
Having using C# and .Net and also used Struts, obviously you
must be a good Server side Java developer, could you relate
to the list what are pros and cons (advangtages and disadvantages)
between C# / ASP and Java / J2EE / ASP? Could you also highlight
any architectural differences or pitfalls in both?
From yours web site portal, I pressume your ASP.Net skills are good.
You are in a unique position, because you have real experience
of using both technologies and can see the `No Man's Land' from
both sides of the divide.
TIA
--
Peter Pilgrim
Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston,
10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447
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Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
U got the point I just sent my answer to your previus mail and here it comes your other one :-) I use Visual Studio .NET for C# and ASP.NET... from the designer point of view, the wysiwyg designer generates non standard, non cross-browser html pages.. so I alway design the page with the HTML view. In my spare time I didn't have time to learn to use an IDE, because I prefer improving my java and struts knowledge... I use a simple text editor to develop java, struts and whatever else I do. for java But I was planning to learn using Eclipse because when it comes to debugging, I use the old System.out.println method but since now I'm getting used to stepping into server code and moving the mouse over a variable name to see a tooltip with the value, I'd like to do the same for Struts :-) And speaking about webservices... with asp.net it really takes 5 minutes to bind to a remote webservice and use it in your own application. U just say you want to call that service, you point the VS.NET to the url, it retrive the ws defintion with wsdl, it creates the proxy and let you use the ws like it was a local function call if u were not the developer that this the initial binding, u will never know this to be a ws call. Simone Pilgrim, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: Marco Mistroni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2004 15:09 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hey, Cool site!! Congratulations... and one little request: More space for Roberto Baggio! I second that emotion! What a truly fantastic player he was in 1994 and at Juventus. Anyway moving back into Struts/J2EE orbit, did you develop this site with Visual C# and tools? How did you find the tools IDE? If you are using Struts in your spare time. Do you use Eclipse or MyEclipse or the Struts Console? Basically my question is who is doing it better (Java/Sun or C#/Microsoft) from the view point of tools (ease of development and deployment) for web application? Way back in April I was quite impressed by a demonstration Visual .Net / Managed C++ / C# talking directly to a J2EE 1.4 web service. The guy demonstrated the whole thing in under five minutes. So I have been wondering what is the state of the art of tools under J2EE, but I guess I will find in two weeks at J1. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
I don't like MS for the same motivation as you: OpenSource is better... fortuantely the MONO framework is opensource and hopefully application written for the MS.NET framework will run on the Mono too I had the same problem with MS SOAP and the old apache SOAP Simone Pilgrim, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2004 16:03 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Way back in April I was quite impressed by a demonstration Visual .Net / Managed C++ / C# talking directly to a J2EE 1.4 web service. The guy demonstrated the whole thing in under five minutes. So I have been wondering what is the state of the art of tools under J2EE, but I guess I will find in two weeks at J1. I wish i shared that experience. My complaints about .NET all stem back to one thing - it's a closed source MS product. They are about as good at fixing bugs as complying with standards! I find open source java solutions far better - you find a bug you ask for a fix, or fix it yourself. You find the software doesnt do what you want, you hack the code to do it! With .NET this is impossible. I have recently written web services for our software to interoperate with an MS .NET system. It was an absolute nightmare. Bugs in MS's soap implementation stopped it from accessing our service. This was eventually overcome, but accessing the .NET service was even more painful. I cannot use Apache AXIS (directly) to access the service because AXIS generates a request with slightly different namespace declaration (but an equally valid one) than MS expects: ns1:GetData soapenv:encodingStyle=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/; xmlns:ns1=http://tempuri.org; The example SOAP XML which MS gives you as an example (which works): GetData xmlns=http://tempuri.org/; The only solution to this i found was to generate my own SoapEnvelope object and use axis to send it, which makes for an ugly solution. Generally i find the state of J2EE tools to be better than .NET, however they are harder to find and sometimes get started with. MS's one benefit here is everything comes in the one box! There are some things i quite like about .NET but i just dont like microsofts implementation. Hopefully MONO are going to do better :) Daniel. Thnaks for that. Sounds like another open source project needs to be written Wrapper Around Mycrosoft .Net in ernest. Your experience is exactly my experience with Visual C++ back in 1999. Confused I'ill alway be once you get beyond the tutorial examples! I am a Linux phile so I would like to get into C# and stuff using MONO. It does look like an interesting language to learn too. At CSFB in Operations/IT it is all J2EE at the moment, but you just never know, The world could turn on its head any day. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
Hey guys, I'm just a developer, not the editor of the website :-) Anyway, in a near future they will add more languages Simone - Simone Chiaretta www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard -Messaggio originale- Da: Guillermo Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: giovedì 17 giugno 2004 22.00 A: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Oggetto: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Brazil? What is Brasil? I think Argentina must be in this site. Simone, I think that the portal should have at least a section of Diego Armando Maradona, who was, is and will be the greatest soccer player of the history! Cheers! Guillermo -Original Message- From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jueves, 17 de Junio de 2004 04:49 p.m. To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hi Simone, Good job. Looks a very interesting soccer portal, but i agree with my brazilian mate. Where is all the content deserved by the 5 times world champions? A soccer website is not a real soccer website without content about the best soccer players in the Earth: brazilian players. By the way, i had some problems to navigate at your website using Mozilla 1.6. You told you used M$ stuff at server side. But please, don't forget that client site is diverse. I love Mozilla, and use it all the time. I do wish you didn't design goal.com just for IE users. Regards, Daniel Silva. --- Marcelo Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can´t believe, Goal.com don´t talk about the best soccer around the World. I sugest u to write about BRAZILIAN SOCCER. Maybe u will find how many Ronaldo´s we have here! 8-) GOOD JOB, Marcelo - Original Message - From: Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com +1 -Original Message- From: McCormack, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:13 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com I for one appreciate the post Simone. Its a good looking site and its nice to see work that developers have spent time on and are proud of. Good job ! Chris McCormack -Original Message- From: Simone-dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2004 15:02 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com I'm just a developer... :-) I did the serverside development and the javascript + dhtml (menu) The rest, desing, css, layout design and so on was developed by a webdesigner I'm working on this engine since november Simone Robert Taylor wrote: Wow! Cool site. Good job. Did you do all page authoring(javascript, css, dhtml, graphics, etc...) or just server side development (architecture, site design/structure, functionality, etc...)? How long did it take to design and implement? robert -Original Message- From: Simone - Dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:25 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hello All, I know this is a lot off-topic, but I'm so proud of the portal I designed and developed that I'd like you all know that it has just been released a worldwide soccer portal named Goal.com (www.goal.com) and that now it's having a lot of news and live results and live netcasting on the european championship 2004. I aplogize for the invasion also becuase it's not developed in Struts, but with ASP.NET but as I said, it took me the last 6 month of work to develop the engine that drives that portal (and all its netwok: all main italian soccer teams). I use Struts in my spare time but in my real work I develop with .NET and C# (not my decision, of course)... but I prefer Struts. Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only
R: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com
We tested the site with Mozilla, too...(btw I use firefox as default browser) But unfortunately the stats says that 95% of the internet users use IE. So, from a commercial point of view if Mozilla doesn't see all graphic enrichments... The important is that the user can read the contents and navigate the portal Simone - Simone Chiaretta www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard -Messaggio originale- Da: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: giovedì 17 giugno 2004 21.49 A: Struts Users Mailing List Oggetto: Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hi Simone, Good job. Looks a very interesting soccer portal, but i agree with my brazilian mate. Where is all the content deserved by the 5 times world champions? A soccer website is not a real soccer website without content about the best soccer players in the Earth: brazilian players. By the way, i had some problems to navigate at your website using Mozilla 1.6. You told you used M$ stuff at server side. But please, don't forget that client site is diverse. I love Mozilla, and use it all the time. I do wish you didn't design goal.com just for IE users. Regards, Daniel Silva. --- Marcelo Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can´t believe, Goal.com don´t talk about the best soccer around the World. I sugest u to write about BRAZILIAN SOCCER. Maybe u will find how many Ronaldo´s we have here! 8-) GOOD JOB, Marcelo - Original Message - From: Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com +1 -Original Message- From: McCormack, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:13 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com I for one appreciate the post Simone. Its a good looking site and its nice to see work that developers have spent time on and are proud of. Good job ! Chris McCormack -Original Message- From: Simone-dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2004 15:02 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com I'm just a developer... :-) I did the serverside development and the javascript + dhtml (menu) The rest, desing, css, layout design and so on was developed by a webdesigner I'm working on this engine since november Simone Robert Taylor wrote: Wow! Cool site. Good job. Did you do all page authoring(javascript, css, dhtml, graphics, etc...) or just server side development (architecture, site design/structure, functionality, etc...)? How long did it take to design and implement? robert -Original Message- From: Simone - Dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:25 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com Hello All, I know this is a lot off-topic, but I'm so proud of the portal I designed and developed that I'd like you all know that it has just been released a worldwide soccer portal named Goal.com (www.goal.com) and that now it's having a lot of news and live results and live netcasting on the european championship 2004. I aplogize for the invasion also becuase it's not developed in Struts, but with ASP.NET but as I said, it took me the last 6 month of work to develop the engine that drives that portal (and all its netwok: all main italian soccer teams). I use Struts in my spare time but in my real work I develop with .NET and C# (not my decision, of course)... but I prefer Struts. Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements
Re: [OT] Jobs
I'm from Italy, if I can work from home I can help u :-) Simone James Mitchell wrote: I am trying to find 10 descent struts developers to fill open positions. I tell ya, its nice to be needed instead of how it was a year ago where we were all under bidding each other. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Jobs James, Is that desperate to fill a job vacancy or desperate to get one? Simon -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] Jobs Please forgive the off topic post, but I'm desperate. If you are in or near Atlanta GA, and looking for a Struts job. Please send me a direct email. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R: Struts File-Upload performance issue
The waiting time as you call it is the time taken to upload the file from the client to the server. Actions start to execute after the whole request is sent to the server... And the uploaded file is part of this request. Simone - Simone Chiaretta www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard -Messaggio originale- Da: Ralf Alt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: lunedì 10 maggio 2004 17.08 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto: Struts File-Upload performance issue Hallo, I'm using the struts file upload with Struts Version 1.1. If I try to upload big files there is a performance problem. For a file of 40Mb the upload needs about 20 minutes before the action is executed. I need the file upload for storing big files 1Gb in the database. The storing in the database is very fast, but the waiting time is the time between sending request and entering the Struts action. What can I do? Thanks Ralf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] FCKEditor 1.6 released
Hello all, Since previously I mentioned my being involved in the development of this HTML editing tool I want to announce the first release of FCKEditor with real integration with JSP. (Struts will come in a future time). This HTML editor (DHTML editor), for Java, ASP, ASP.NET, ColdFusion, PHP and JavaScript brings to the web many of the powerful functionalities of known desktop editors like Word. It's really lightweight and doesn't require installation in the client. https://sourceforge.net/projects/fckeditor/ http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ Simone - Simone Chiaretta www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R: Extending html tag: how to do it?
I cannot use the bean:write or the c:out because it espcapes html chars
and then I'll see bciao/a instead of a bold ciao inside the editor
Simone
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-Messaggio originale-
Da: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: venerdì 7 maggio 2004 23.42
A: Struts Users Mailing List
Oggetto: Re: Extending html tag: how to do it?
You could do this differently using struts tags:
FCK:editor id=HTMLCode
bean:write name=infoPageForm
property=HTMLCode/
/FCK:editor
or even better using the java standard tag library (JSTL):
FCK:editor id=HTMLCode
c:out value=${infoPageForm.HTMLCode}/
/FCK:editor
The only thing then is setting the hidden fields name
attribute to the form name/property so that its submitted
back properly.
Niall
- Original Message -
From: Simone-dev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Extending html tag: how to do it?
Yes, it's a textarea with richer editing features... but
the real form
tag used is then the hidden field.
I already did the not formbean integrated tag designing it
on my own,
without referring to the struts taglib.
I'll try subclassing the BaseInputTag and see what's goin
to happen.
:-)
JavaServer Faces will be a future implementation, but I never used
this technology before, so I'd better start using it before
thinking
about extending with functionality :-)
Best Regards
Simone
Craig McClanahan wrote:
Simone - Dev wrote:
Hello all,
I'm in a team of open source developer for an HTML
editing control
to
be
included in web pages to enable the posting of rich
formatted text
using
a visual approach (instead of typing HTML in a textarea) The
project is http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ and u can
see a working
demo (works for the moment just on IE 5+ and windows) here
http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/Demo/
What I'm writing here becase I've just developed (and will be
released in the next version of the editor, hopefully
next weekend)
a taglib to include this control in a JSP page with a simple
FCK:editor id=bodyNews Text of the news
/FCK:editor instead
of writing all
the
complex javascript code required to the make the html
editor start.
But in the next version I want to go further, and have
the editor
get it's initial value from the FormBean connected with the form
and then set it so that the following action can
retrieve it inside
the FormBean passed by the page.
Basically the editor store the text to edit (and then to
be sent in
the post method) in an hidden field, and one of the
things that my
taglib does is also to write this hidden field with the
starting
value.
But I never extended an HTML taglib, and never found on
the archive
nor other websites some info on how to do it. Thank you for ur
help.
Simone,
From a Struts perspective, what you're describing sounds pretty
similar to the html:textarea tag ... it's just that the editing
would be rich text instead of simple characters, right?
If so, and
if you wanted to be able to interoperate with Struts
capabilities,
you should download the source code for Struts [1], and
take a look
at how the corresponding tag itself is implemented
(org.apache.struts.taglib.html.TextareaTag). The
simplest thing to
do would be cut-n-paste this into a separate tag file, instead of
worrying about extending it. Most of the things you
would need to
change are in the renderTextareaElement() method.
With regards to form bean interaction, I am assuming that
the form
bean would treat the content of the editing area as a
String, right?
If so, then BaseInputTag (which TextareaTag subclasses)
does most of
the work for you. Just make sure your tag includes the
same kinds
of attributes as html:textarea (but especially name,
property,
and value), plus any additional ones you need, and your
renderTextareaElement() will be able to interact with the value
instance variable.
Craig McClanahan
[1] http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi
PS: In addition to interoperating with Struts, you might want to
investigate creating a JavaServer Faces component around
your text
editor. This sounds like a very useful gadget. More info:
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/
Simone
-
Simone Chiaretta
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
R: Extending html tag: how to do it?
OK, thank you...
True is the defualt value for filter, so I've to set it to false if I
want the raw data.
Simone
-
Simone Chiaretta
www.piyosailing.com/S
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Life is short, play hard
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Martin Alley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: sabato 8 maggio 2004 18.06
A: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Oggetto: RE: Extending html tag: how to do it?
Bean:write has a filter parameter:
If this attribute is set to true, the rendered property
value will be filtered for characters that are sensitive in
HTML, and any such characters will be replaced by their
entity equivalents.
-Original Message-
From: Simone - Dev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 May 2004 09:19
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: R: Extending html tag: how to do it?
I cannot use the bean:write or the c:out because it espcapes
html chars and then I'll see bciao/a instead of a bold
ciao inside the editor
Simone
-
Simone Chiaretta
www.piyosailing.com/S
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic Life is short, play hard
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: venerdì 7 maggio 2004 23.42
A: Struts Users Mailing List
Oggetto: Re: Extending html tag: how to do it?
You could do this differently using struts tags:
FCK:editor id=HTMLCode
bean:write name=infoPageForm
property=HTMLCode/
/FCK:editor
or even better using the java standard tag library (JSTL):
FCK:editor id=HTMLCode
c:out value=${infoPageForm.HTMLCode}/
/FCK:editor
The only thing then is setting the hidden fields name
attribute to the form name/property so that its submitted
back properly.
Niall
- Original Message -
From: Simone-dev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Extending html tag: how to do it?
Yes, it's a textarea with richer editing features... but
the real form
tag used is then the hidden field.
I already did the not formbean integrated tag designing it
on my own,
without referring to the struts taglib.
I'll try subclassing the BaseInputTag and see what's goin
to happen.
:-)
JavaServer Faces will be a future implementation, but I never used
this technology before, so I'd better start using it before
thinking
about extending with functionality :-)
Best Regards
Simone
Craig McClanahan wrote:
Simone - Dev wrote:
Hello all,
I'm in a team of open source developer for an HTML
editing control
to
be
included in web pages to enable the posting of rich
formatted text
using
a visual approach (instead of typing HTML in a textarea) The
project is http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ and u can
see a working
demo (works for the moment just on IE 5+ and windows) here
http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/Demo/
What I'm writing here becase I've just developed (and will be
released in the next version of the editor, hopefully
next weekend)
a taglib to include this control in a JSP page with a simple
FCK:editor id=bodyNews Text of the news
/FCK:editor instead
of writing all
the
complex javascript code required to the make the html
editor start.
But in the next version I want to go further, and have
the editor
get it's initial value from the FormBean connected
with the form
and then set it so that the following action can
retrieve it inside
the FormBean passed by the page.
Basically the editor store the text to edit (and then to
be sent in
the post method) in an hidden field, and one of the
things that my
taglib does is also to write this hidden field with the
starting
value.
But I never extended an HTML taglib, and never found on
the archive
nor other websites some info on how to do it. Thank you for ur
help.
Simone,
From a Struts perspective, what you're describing sounds pretty
similar to the html:textarea tag ... it's just that
the editing
would be rich text instead of simple characters, right?
If so, and
if you wanted to be able to interoperate with Struts
capabilities,
you should download the source code for Struts [1], and
take a look
at how the corresponding tag itself is implemented
(org.apache.struts.taglib.html.TextareaTag). The
simplest thing to
do would be cut-n-paste this into a separate tag file,
instead of
worrying about extending it. Most of the things you
would need to
change are in the renderTextareaElement() method.
With regards to form bean interaction, I am assuming
Re: Extending html tag: how to do it?
Yes, it's a textarea with richer editing features... but the real form tag used is then the hidden field. I already did the not formbean integrated tag designing it on my own, without referring to the struts taglib. I'll try subclassing the BaseInputTag and see what's goin to happen. :-) JavaServer Faces will be a future implementation, but I never used this technology before, so I'd better start using it before thinking about extending with functionality :-) Best Regards Simone Craig McClanahan wrote: Simone - Dev wrote: Hello all, I'm in a team of open source developer for an HTML editing control to be included in web pages to enable the posting of rich formatted text using a visual approach (instead of typing HTML in a textarea) The project is http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ and u can see a working demo (works for the moment just on IE 5+ and windows) here http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/Demo/ What I'm writing here becase I've just developed (and will be released in the next version of the editor, hopefully next weekend) a taglib to include this control in a JSP page with a simple FCK:editor id=bodyNews Text of the news /FCK:editor instead of writing all the complex javascript code required to the make the html editor start. But in the next version I want to go further, and have the editor get it's initial value from the FormBean connected with the form and then set it so that the following action can retrieve it inside the FormBean passed by the page. Basically the editor store the text to edit (and then to be sent in the post method) in an hidden field, and one of the things that my taglib does is also to write this hidden field with the starting value. But I never extended an HTML taglib, and never found on the archive nor other websites some info on how to do it. Thank you for ur help. Simone, From a Struts perspective, what you're describing sounds pretty similar to the html:textarea tag ... it's just that the editing would be rich text instead of simple characters, right? If so, and if you wanted to be able to interoperate with Struts capabilities, you should download the source code for Struts [1], and take a look at how the corresponding tag itself is implemented (org.apache.struts.taglib.html.TextareaTag). The simplest thing to do would be cut-n-paste this into a separate tag file, instead of worrying about extending it. Most of the things you would need to change are in the renderTextareaElement() method. With regards to form bean interaction, I am assuming that the form bean would treat the content of the editing area as a String, right? If so, then BaseInputTag (which TextareaTag subclasses) does most of the work for you. Just make sure your tag includes the same kinds of attributes as html:textarea (but especially name, property, and value), plus any additional ones you need, and your renderTextareaElement() will be able to interact with the value instance variable. Craig McClanahan [1] http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi PS: In addition to interoperating with Struts, you might want to investigate creating a JavaServer Faces component around your text editor. This sounds like a very useful gadget. More info: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Extending html tag: how to do it?
Hello all, I'm in a team of open source developer for an HTML editing control to be included in web pages to enable the posting of rich formatted text using a visual approach (instead of typing HTML in a textarea) The project is http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ and u can see a working demo (works for the moment just on IE 5+ and windows) here http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/Demo/ What I'm writing here becase I've just developed (and will be released in the next version of the editor, hopefully next weekend) a taglib to include this control in a JSP page with a simple FCK:editor id=bodyNews Text of the news /FCK:editor instead of writing all the complex javascript code required to the make the html editor start. But in the next version I want to go further, and have the editor get it's initial value from the FormBean connected with the form and then set it so that the following action can retrieve it inside the FormBean passed by the page. Basically the editor store the text to edit (and then to be sent in the post method) in an hidden field, and one of the things that my taglib does is also to write this hidden field with the starting value. But I never extended an HTML taglib, and never found on the archive nor other websites some info on how to do it. Thank you for ur help. Simone - Simone Chiaretta http://www.piyosailing.com/S www.piyosailing.com/S Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Life is short, play hard
